“I think the pandemic was a societal wake-up call for many people,” says Marianela Fader, who studies global food trade at the Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich.

It will be critical for countries to adapt quickly to supply-chain shocks, Fader says—and perhaps to start asking some hard questions.

The Fader, a music magazine, interviewed her in 2016 as an astrology personality.

“Every song with him is like one take,” Metro Boomin said of Makonnen in The Fader.

“Everybody literally had their fingers on a fader at one point,” he adds.