Eudyptula Challenge Status report
| From: | "Little Penguin" <little-AT-eudyptula-challenge.org> | |
| To: | <twoerner-AT-gmail.com> | |
| Subject: | Eudyptula Challenge Status report, March 2017 | |
| Date: | Mar 24, 2017 4:33 AM |
Hi,
Welcome to another very semi-irregular update from the Eudyptula
Challenge.
Just a short update this time, in bullet format:
- challenge has been running for over 3 years
- over 19000 people have signed up for the challenge
- only 149 have finished it
- that percentage is really low :(
- little is getting tired
- challenge will be closed to new people once we reach 20000, go
tell your friends to sign up if they wish to participate.
- all queues are empty, response times are fast, what is keeping
you all from finishing?
Don't worry, the challenge will live on after it stops accepting new
people (at the current rate, in a few months), it just will look a bit
different...
- little
Posted Mar 25, 2017 13:12 UTC (Sat)
by geuder (subscriber, #62854)
[Link] (12 responses)
Posted Mar 25, 2017 14:24 UTC (Sat)
by adirat (subscriber, #86623)
[Link]
Posted Mar 27, 2017 8:57 UTC (Mon)
by lkundrak (subscriber, #43452)
[Link] (6 responses)
If it's not obvious; you (hopefully) get to learn something new. You'll have fun. You end up being more knowledgeable. It might widen choices of what you end up doing for living.
How is the Little Penguin's pseudonym relevant in that context? I find it rather cute.
Posted Mar 27, 2017 14:32 UTC (Mon)
by geuder (subscriber, #62854)
[Link] (5 responses)
No.
When doing the challenge I obviously interact with someone. I would just feel more comfortable if the someone mentioned his (unlikely to be her...) real name.
> How is the Little Penguin's pseudonym relevant in that context? I find it rather cute.
I don't care what kind of nickname they like to use, cute or not. Fine with me as long as the real identity weren't hidden.
Posted Mar 27, 2017 14:56 UTC (Mon)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
[Link] (4 responses)
Oh - and "Wol" sounds like a pseudonym, but it's actually an (unusual) shortened form of my real name :-) (Which is why I use it.)
Cheers,
Posted Mar 27, 2017 18:41 UTC (Mon)
by geuder (subscriber, #62854)
[Link] (3 responses)
You don't. If you were a subscriber you could filter me, if you didn't want to read comments from some usernames, e. g. those you find suspicious. (At least I understood so, have never used any filtering on lwn.)
> Doesn't sound like a real name to me :-)
That's your problem:) That's the way it is spelled in my passport, at least if comparing case-insensitively.
(Actually had I known that the name is displayed in discussion forums when registering, I might have chosen something else: In forums that require a full name I use it. Otherwise I use a nick.)
Anyway, what I was referring to:
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/...
The rule might be there for legal reasons. But in the end no trusted chain of PGP signatures is required, so mostly it's a question of personal integrity whether people really use their real names. I'd say at least 95% of the open source world works like this.
It's just a matter of style and trust. In the common sense, not the cryptographic one of course.
In the end, what I would have expected from my post is (maybe) a good argument, why a presumably well known kernel hacker would do this effort without telling his name. None has come up so far as far as I can see, so we should stop posting less and less informative follow-ups. At least I'll try to do so unless a novel viewpoint comes up.
Posted Mar 27, 2017 20:29 UTC (Mon)
by ballombe (subscriber, #9523)
[Link]
Beside, it is customary to withhold the names of the referees of scientific papers. Maybe similar rationale apply.
Posted Mar 28, 2017 16:20 UTC (Tue)
by adirat (subscriber, #86623)
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Posted Mar 29, 2017 14:45 UTC (Wed)
by snits (guest, #37976)
[Link]
Posted Mar 27, 2017 16:09 UTC (Mon)
by Kamiccolo (subscriber, #95159)
[Link]
Posted Mar 30, 2017 11:56 UTC (Thu)
by azz (subscriber, #371)
[Link] (2 responses)
Yes, it does (in practice):
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/...
Posted Mar 30, 2017 12:49 UTC (Thu)
by corbet (editor, #1)
[Link] (1 responses)
Posted Mar 30, 2017 14:32 UTC (Thu)
by farnz (subscriber, #17727)
[Link]
Out of curiosity, is anyone able to disclose why said developer uses the George Spelvin pseudonym? If the reasons are too personal (or too revealing of Mr Spelvin's hidden identity), I understand, but my curiosity is getting the better of me here.
Posted Mar 25, 2017 18:12 UTC (Sat)
by fratti (guest, #105722)
[Link] (8 responses)
Posted Mar 26, 2017 7:42 UTC (Sun)
by lkurusa (guest, #97704)
[Link] (7 responses)
Posted Mar 26, 2017 20:34 UTC (Sun)
by jmichels (subscriber, #98352)
[Link] (5 responses)
First, I've had submissions sit in the queue for a very long time. 6 months was the worst.
Second, I've had too many submissions rejected for not doing it the way one way that little expects. I don't mind doing it the way little wants. The problem is that little doesn't tell you this ahead of time, so it kind of turns into a guessing game. I also get that the point of this is to expose you to different parts of the kernel Api in a guided way. But the guessing, coding, testing, and submitting becomes time consuming and very unsatisfying. Especially when you submit a correct and functional answer only to have it rejected for not being the correct functional submission that little wants.
Posted Mar 27, 2017 9:09 UTC (Mon)
by lkundrak (subscriber, #43452)
[Link]
To me it seems that the slowness of responses and rejections of solutions that work but still need some improvements teaches you patience that is so essential in collaborative software projects. The responses were always rather good; even though sometimes a bit challenging to understand.
As for me I've had great fun doing the challenge and recommend it to everyone. But arm yourself with patience and dedicate time to it, especially if you're not a veteran in the area.
Posted Mar 27, 2017 14:50 UTC (Mon)
by geuder (subscriber, #62854)
[Link] (3 responses)
They say it's a bunch of scripts behind the scenes. So maybe too little human review and as soon as you code a bit different from what the scripts' author expected you will get a reject? Of course formatting that checkpatch.pl does not like should be rejected. But even when checkpatch.pl is happy every programming problem has an infinite number of valid solutions (or at least a very big one for all reasonably practical cases)
Just guessing, no experience.
Of course it happens all the time in development teams, whether open source or not, that the reviewer has some points that the author does not agree with. Either deeming the reviewer's suggestions completely equivalent to the code under review or even worse.
Posted Mar 27, 2017 17:52 UTC (Mon)
by ntnn (guest, #109693)
[Link] (2 responses)
E.g. I send in a solution yesterday night and was at place four. I got the next task today around midday - automated scripts would work a lot faster.
Posted Mar 28, 2017 2:41 UTC (Tue)
by rav (subscriber, #89256)
[Link] (1 responses)
I'll submit Task 5 tomorrow (when I have access to a USB keyboard, he he he... I've probably revealed too much now).
Posted Mar 28, 2017 10:05 UTC (Tue)
by JacobvonChorus (guest, #109772)
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Posted Mar 30, 2017 2:37 UTC (Thu)
by ajdlinux (subscriber, #82125)
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Would you be more comfortable if the email was signed 'The Eudyptula challenge team' ?
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So I asked around a bit about this particular case a while back. The real identity of this particular developer is known to the people who take their patches. So it's a pseudonym, but a special-case pseudonym that is not 100% opaque.
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