Noticed that in the interview article not one mention of the words CO2, GHG, greenhouse gas, climate change, or global warming as a mechanism for the conspicuous heat spike of the last 2 years. This could be overlooked by the author of the article, but the implication conveyed by Gavin Schmidt is that they're looking at something else, including ENSO. Yet it's not ENSO alone as observed with the large spikes in the AMO for the Atlantic and the IOD for the Indian ocean.