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:This is clearly a false statement, Radek. Zvi Y. Gitelman writes that only ~700 Jews were killed by '''individual''' (carrying over stress from sources) detachments of the Red Army. You're writing about 700 '''''pogroms''''' "clearly attributed to the Red Army." [[User:PasswordUsername|PasswordUsername]] ([[User talk:PasswordUsername|talk]]) 00:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
::Uh... I think we're talking about different sources. I'm talking about the one that's actually cited in the text [http://books.google.pl/books?id=1Nz0N5GBW6MC&pg=PP1&dq=The+Jews+in+the+Soviet+Union+Since+1917:+Paradox+of+Survival#v=onepage&q=&f=false] (I will add the link in a sec), which states "when Soviet control was established in the Ukraine, it is estimated that pogroms took place in 700 communities. Between 50,000 and 60,000 Jews were killed. Another 100,000 were maimed or died of wounds". So, no, it's not that the Red Army killed 700 Jews. It's that they killed between 50,000 and 60,000 Jews (+ possibly another 100,000) in '''700 communities'''. I took the liberty of rendering "700 communities" as "700 pogroms", in order to paraphrase the text enough to avoid copyvio. I hope that's not considered OR or SYNTH here.[[User:Radeksz|radek]] ([[User talk:Radeksz|talk]]) 00:24, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:::No, Radeksz, I'm very much familiar with the Levin source, as I was the one who first suggested including it (see above). What Levin writes is that "Between 1918 and the early months of 1921, when Soviet control was established in the Ukraine, it is estimated that pogroms took place in 700 communities. Between 50,000 and 60,000 Jews were killed." Nowhere does this attribute 700 pogroms, 700 communities affected, or between 50,000 and 60,000 Jews killed to the Red Army. (Please review the whole of Levin's work.) What Levin talks about is the pogroms committed during the Civil War (by all sides). They were outrageously numerous, but relatively very few were committed by Red Army troops. In fact, the work suggests that pogroms ended when the Soviet Army finished its establishment of firm control over the Ukraine. The fact that the other soruce - Zvi Y. Gitelman's ''A Century of Ambivalence'' - states that the total number of Jewish victims attributed to ill-disciplined Red Army units, who essentially ignored the Soviet state's highest leaders' sentiments agaisnt anti-Jewish violence, was ~700, really puts things into context much better. [[User:PasswordUsername|PasswordUsername]] ([[User talk:PasswordUsername|talk]]) 00:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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