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===[[Ric Romero (investigative reporter)]]===
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Non-Notable internet meme that is restricted to only one website - maybe a mention on the fark article, but not here. '''[[User:God_of_War|God]] <
*'''Strong Keep''' The meme is spreading throughout the internet, I too have seen Ric's photo in several other places and have had to refer people to the page about him here so they'll quit asking about him elsewhere. [[User:MSchlaf|MSchlaf]]
*'''Strong Keep''' I've seen Ric mentioned in other places, and the information here helped me figure out the cliche
*'''Strong Keep''' Is it lonely up there in your tower? Honestly, what harm is being done by having this article here? None. Someone else mentioned that Wiki is often the only source of obscure information. This is one of those pieces. There are many, many other articles here that are more worthless. Oh, and don't bother commenting --- this WILL be my only comment in the discussion. [[User:35.11.160.168|35.11.160.168]] 20:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' If the article does no harm and is accurate, I find no reason to eliminate a source of information, no matter how trivial. Hell, [[Conrad Hubbard]] is even less famous and less of a celebrity and he gets his own page... '''[[User:God_of_War|God]] <
*'''Strong Keep''' I don't see anyone arguing how this fits the profiles for topics to be deleted.
*'''Strong Keep''' This is a meme that many people are aware of. I know that the only way I had the meme explained to me was looking for it here. Given the usefulness of this article, it should not be deleted. [[User:JagSeal|JagSeal]] 12:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Strong Keep''' More than meets standards for inclusion. [[User Talk:Ken_Mondschein| Ken Mondschein]]
*'''Strong Keep''' Granted he may not be my cup of tea, but he does pass tests of notablity. He's a TV reporter. : ) [[User:Lonesomedovechocolate|Lonesomedovechocolate]] 01:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
:*Please note this users only contributions have been his user page and afd nominations. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Lonesomedovechocolate]--'''[[User:God_of_War|God]] <
He's a celeb on the Internet. Keep the article going on Wikipedia.
*'''Strong Keep'''. No less notable than any other individual listed on [[Internet phenomenon]] that have their own article. As memes go, it's spread pretty far beyond Fark, so it's notable enough. [[User:Fluit|Fluit]] 01:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
:*We deleted [[Lee Hotti]] we can delete this too.--'''[[User:God_of_War|God]] <
*'''Delete''' I read FARK and remember the first Ric Romero topic. Yes, he's been mentioned a few times since then, but it's a pretty minor meme even within FARK and absolutely no impact whatsoever on anything outside FARK. If there were a WP:MEME standard, I think it's safe to say this wouldn't pass it. [[User:Starblind|Andrew Lenahan]] - <b><
*'''Weak delete'''; I'm kind of torn on this one. The internet angle doesn't sway me, since it isn't discussed by any [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. The guy is on [[KABC-TV]], which is pretty notable as local stations go, but no one else below anchor level has an article... and again, no independent reliable sources on that either. When Fark gets a wiki, we can send this in their direction. [[User:Melchoir|Melchoir]] 02:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' nn.[[User:Blnguyen|<span style="border: 1px; border-style:solid; padding:0px 2px 2px 2px; color:white; background-color:darkblue; font-weight:bold">ßlηguγΣη</span>]] | [[User talk:Blnguyen|Have your say!!!]] 02:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' per [[User:Melchoir]]. [[User:Jkelly|Jkelly]] 04:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Strong Keep.''' Notable even without fark cliche status... with it, extremely notable. [[User:69.142.21.24|69.142.21.24]] 04:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep''' He's well-known in his broadcast area, and he pops up on fark.com probably once a week, giving him world-wide exposure. -- [[User:Stubblyhead|stubblyh]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<
*'''Keep''' Get off your high horse<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:65.184.117.160|65.184.117.160]] ([[User talk:65.184.117.160|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/65.184.117.160|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
**''Comment'': Anon user's only contribution is to this discussion. [[User:Fourohfour|Fourohfour]] 14:45, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' as Los Angeles is the largest television market in the country. [[User:TKE|<
*'''Weak Keep'''. Not all that notable but I find myself seeing multiple people looking for this information and needing it. If not that I would consider a merge to KBAC if nothing esle. [[User:SorryGuy|SorryGuy]] 06:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. -[[User:Objectivist-C|Objectivist-C]] 06:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Weak Delete''' He is slightly notable, however we can't be listing every little internet fad in the Wiki.[[User:Landeyda|Landeyda]] 10:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. If FARK wants to have an explanation of every little FARK fad, they can put it on their own website. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 10:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep''' --[[User:Terence Ong|Ter]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<
*'''Keep''' He is both an internet and TV celebrity, what more is there to satisfy [[WP:BIO]] and [[WP:N]]. [[User:Ansell|<span style="color:#0000FF;">Ans</span>]][[User:Ansell/Esperanza|<span style="color:#009000;">e</span>]][[User talk:Ansell|<span style="color:#0000FF;">ll</span>]] 13:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' he's almost notable enough, but I think the fark cliche tips the scale a little. [[User:Kotepho|Kotepho]] 13:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' as a notable consumer reporter for KABC-TV. He has an entry on IMDB, and between his record of consumer reporting and his discovery of blogging, the article is worth keeping. --[[User:Elkman/Esperanza|<
*'''Delete''' per nom. Every TV station in North America has a consumer reporter, who typically gets about two minutes of screen time per newscast. So? [[User:RGTraynor|RGTraynor]] 15:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. There is already a list of FARK cliches on the main FARK page, so let's keep this there. --[[User:Several Times|Several Times]] 18:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Keep'''. Seems notable. [[User:Cynical|Cynical]] 21:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' FARK appearance does not a celebrity make. And certainly being an on-air consumer reporter for a local TV station doesn't. [[User:Fishhead64|Fishhead64]] 21:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' per users voting keep -- [[User:Getcrunk|<
*'''Delete'''. In other news, Fark is a website that can have links posted to it! More at 11. [[User talk:RasputinAXP|<
**'''Keep'''. In a seemingly unrelated story, wikipedians have no humor! [[User:Workman161|Workman]][[User talk:Workman161|161]] (Can't stay logged in. Thanks [[Direcway]].) --[[User:67.142.130.31|67.142.130.31]] 19:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Deletedeletedelete''' per above. The sockpuppetry still amazes me.--[[User:Frenchman113|Frenchman113]] 00:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
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* '''Very Strong Keep''', there are articles for far more obscure people and topics. Besides, an internet meme should pass the notability requirements. [[User:mikemoto|mikemoto]] 13:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Extremely Strong Keep''' There's so much worthless crap on WP, about "celebrities", "famous" places, and local politics, I don't see why Ric Romero shouldn't have his own article. [[User:Kar98|Kar98]] 13:01, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. More than notable enough for an article, even ''before'' the FARK notoriety. [[User:Unfocused|<
*'''Strong Keep''' we all know who we're talking about, that makes him notable, and worthy of an article on wikipedia [[User:Asw32|Asw32]] 13:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' I don't really see how Ric Romero's status on Fark or irrelevance elsewhere matters. I heard about this guy, I looked it up on wikipedia, and I learned what the story was. Seems like that's exactly what Wikipedia is for. And I'd wager this particular listing gets accessed way, way more often than more "legitimate" sources.
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**If you mean my comment, Romero is a Fark meme, and more likely to get the attention of people coming here (solely) to vote in favour. Put it another way, if we were discussing the removal of some Pokemon fancruft and it was posted on the front page of a high-traffic "Pokemon Fancruft Fans" site, it's unlikely that the views posted would be an entirely representative cross-section of opinion. That having been said, I still voted for "keep"... [[User:Fourohfour|Fourohfour]] 15:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Fark itself is notable, God knows ABC is notable, other clichés like Zero Wing are notable, and Ric's fame has come to extend beyond Fark, to most internet forums. [[User:Twin Bird|Twin Bird]] 15:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - But the greenlighters of Fark are doing a really shitty job for this to be on their main page. - [[User:Hahnchen|Hahnch]][[Evil|<span title="WP:Esperanza"><
*'''Do what ye please.''' I came here to find out what's up with these pictures on Fark. That's what Wikipedia was made for. But I guess an article about SuperGoku45z Message Board Layout Redesign of 2004 would be mildly silly, although his users might refer to it frequently. On the still other hand, why not? What harm would it do to put all the world's information in an encyclopedia that wants to contain all the world's information? Should it be really useful to everyone or usually useful to the vast majority of people? EDIT: On further reflection, I want to clarify. I
**'''Comment''': This is user's one and only Wikipedia contribution. [[User:Fourohfour|Fourohfour]] 15:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - First the Wikipedia editors came for All Your Base, and you didn't speak out, because AYB was annoying as fuck, then they came for Ric Romero, and you did nothing because the meme seemed played out. But soon the Wikipedia editors will come for YOU, and there will be no one left to speak out for you. Fight Nazism on the World Wide Web. Rev Martin Niemoller. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:213.65.17.45|213.65.17.45]] ([[User talk:213.65.17.45|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/213.65.17.45|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned] -->
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**''Weak delete'' Who will know or care about the internet meme of Ric Romero in 5-10 years?
*'''Strong Keep''' It is obvious that Ric is notable, regardless of wether or no there are "verifiable sources". [[User:Gsham|Gsham]] 15:45, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Please keep''', ''Ric Romero'' is the 21st century's Captain Obvious. Besides, raise up a dude who isn't at the front desk on TV.
*'''Obvious Keep''' in spite of sock-puppetry. An internet meme for sure but also a genuine TV person and collumnist in teh interweb. We keep far less notable things than him. [[User:Sabine's Sunbird|Sabine's Sunbird]] [[User talk:Sabine's Sunbird|talk]] 15:59, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - He's a real reporter, and the meme bit is just one paragraph. It's useful for Wikipedia to explain the background behind these things, so that people not in the know can find out where they came from and what they mean. See [[O RLY?]], for example. --[[User:Jake Nelson|Jake]] 16:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' - --[[User:ZekeMacNeil|ZekeMacNeil]] 16:22, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong Delete''' Non-notable television personality. [[User:AdamJacobMuller|AdamJacobMuller]] 16:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Enough has been made of him that people might be curious as to why. Why force them to go elsewhere instead of Wikipedia?
*'''Keep''' He's a tv reporter, which makes him notable enough. (EG, see [[Natalie Jacobson]].) Remove the meme section if the [[Wikipedia:Notability (memes)|proposed meme guidelines]] become policy (since Romero is neither a "classic" meme nor does it satisfy any of the other inclusion criteria).--[[User:Wasabe3543|Wasabe3543]] 17:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
* Ric Romero is a tv personality in LA, a considerably large market. His basic information should be left in, as there are many people of the same or less notability who still warrant an entry in Wikipedia. Perhaps this discussion should be centered on whether or not to keep the "fark.com" references in, as that portion appears to be an inside joke among users of only one website. However, it is setting a frightening president of censorship if the non-disputed facts concerning a tv personality are deleted because of prejudice against a website like "fark.com" that has adopted him as a mascot. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Gallup|Gallup]] ([[User talk:Gallup|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gallup|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned] -->
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*'''Delete''' - To quote somebody above, "If we allow Fark to be a measure of notability, we'll need several more servers to store all the crap.". I say this as somebody who reads fark daily. [[User:Thewalrus|Thewalrus]] 17:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep'''. As someone else said, the fact that we're arguing over this surely means this article should stay by default. Besides, this is censorship from people who can't take a joke, which is on one level what this is and another is the fact that this is a real person. If we're going to be completely anal about what constitutes a valid article, we should delete every article about fictional characters and dead people. Because, hey, they're not relevant anymore! 17:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' The measure of an article ought to be its potential usefulness to readers. People are bound to wonder who Ric Romero is; this article helps. We've also kept Internet memes of similar notability before. —
* '''Keep''' No one would be complaining about an article on a TV reporter if he WASN'T an internet meme. This is like deleting [[Snakes on a Plane]] because it's an internet fad. He's notable for being an L.A. reporter in his own right, and the fact that many people have heard of him outside that station makes him more notable, not less. In addition, I don't have an objection to using Wikipedia to document memes in the first place, but that's another story.--[[User:BigCow|BigCow]] 17:54, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' -- This is a second comment but I wanted to add several points. First, in my job as a researcher for one of the Big Four search engines, memes like this become popular page hits due to news stories or even Saturday Night Live. Wikipedia would be my first stop, if I were trying to evaluate a search for 'Ric Romero Obvious'. It is most authoritative, has the largest number of editors and is the most-likely to have the underground/cultural interpretation. Second, my Wikipedia sweatshirt says "Edit this page" and it comes closest to the spirit of Wikipedia, not "Delete this page". But maybe someone sent me the wrong sweatshirt. Third, being an Internet resource edited by Internet users is what defines Wikipedia -- this is not a resource edited by perfesseurs for the hoi polloi, as is Encyclopedia Britannica. That editors even believe this is Romero/meme page is an issue is an indication that they neither understand the users nor the donors to this site. [[User:ACzernek|ACzernek]]
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**Clean? What a ridiculous adjective for an encyclopedia to strive for. I think the word we should be trying to get is 'inclusive' or even, dare I say, 'accurate'. [[User:Jojojigamobo|Joey]] 03:38, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
*** Then clean up [[Star Wars kid]]. He only became popular through the Internet. What about the [[Flying Spaghetti Monster]]? [[User:Duke Starhopper|Duke Starhopper]] 18:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Weak Keep''' This voting needs more sock puppets. kthxbye
*'''Strong Keep''' Come on. If it weren't for guys like him, the internet would be boring! He's becoming a legend in his own mind and his entry here reaffirms that fact! I'm all for it and I think we should keep interesting tidbits like this alive!
*'''Keep'''. With or without Fark (and I truly feel sorry for the administrator lucky enough to preside over this AFD), this figure meets the [[WP:BIO]] guidelines for inclusion. [[User:Can't sleep, clown will eat me|Can't sleep, clown will eat me]] 03:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. I saw the Ric Romero references on FARK. Not knowing who he was - and thinking asking on FARK would be tedius waiting for the next Ric article to be greenlighted - I went to Wikipedia. Finding his article was a real help to me, and Wikipedia did its job (and still does). Keep it. [[User:Doran|Dor]] 04:33, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Weak Keep'''. It's nice to be able to figure out what random memes mean, and it's otherwise Mostly Harmless, even though it's not very deep. [[User:billstewart|billstewart]]
**'''ULTIMATE KEEP''' Just because ya'll can't use anything besides Google to justify an article's existence doesn't mean it is not notable.
*** BTW, why did someone delete the interenet reference that I found to Ric Romero? That was NOT my personal website nor for commercial purposes like the note I was sent claimed it was. I FOUND that site just by searching for it. Thought it might make it more "notable".
*'''keep''' please the person is important erasing makes no sense at all [[User:Yuckfoo|Yuckfoo]] 06:03, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Strong Keep''' - I don't see why not. If he's famous enough to have a television spot, why is he not famous enough to be on Wikipedia? Just trim the section about the Fark cliché. [[User:Snakeyeswin|Snakeyeswin]] 23:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
**'''Comment'''; above comment is the first edit from user/account. [[User:Fourohfour|Fourohfour]] 22:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' [[User:Naconkantari|<
*'''Neutral''' [[User:JordanLund|JordanLund]] 04:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC) It's simple enough to monitor bandwidth and hits. If the page is generating sufficient interest and hits are up then it doesn't matter if it's a Fark generated Internet Meme or not. Enough people are interested in the page to keep it around. If the hits drop off then delete it under a "not enough readership" reason. If it's truly limited to Fark traffic and everyone on Fark already knows who Ric Romero is then it won't generate enough traffic to keep.
**'''Comment'''; above comment is the first edit from user/account. [[User:Fourohfour|Fourohfour]] 22:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', notable. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] 05:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Weak Keep''' as a regular television personality i'd have to say he barely squeeks by WP:BIO... the fact he's also go t a rather large meme following on fark doesnt hurt either. [[User:Alkivar|<
*'''Keep''' - I remember splitting Ric off from the [[Fark.com]] entry because there seemed to be need (and public interest in him) to separate his bio content and his FARK notoriety into a separate entry, away from the FARK page clutter. As long as the content in Ric's entry is factual and verifiable (and not too opinionated), it certainly meets the content guidelines for a separate entry and therefore should be kept. Surely more meat and potatoes content should be added, making the Fark stuff less prominent / more trimmable, but I don't have that knowledge me-self.
*'''Keep''' He had his 15 minutes fame so more than 10 people know him. The wiki article is weak though (poorly written and has a lot of useless cross links like "october"). Keep it and have it cleaned up --[[User:Cumbrowski|Roy-SAC]] 08:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
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