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== Promoting Iranian government POV in Wikipedia? ==
'''Initiated by ''' [[User:182Line|182Line]] ([[User talk:182Line|talk]]) '''at''' 12:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Proposed parties ===
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*{{userlinks|182Line}}, ''filing party''
*{{userlinks|Ali Ahwazi}}
*{{userlinks|Mhhossein}}
*{{userlinks|Ghazaalch}}
*{{userlinks|Iskandar323}}
*{{userlinks|MarioGom}}
 
;Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
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*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ali_Ahwazi&diff=prev&oldid=1209571965 Ali Ahwazi]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mhhossein&diff=prev&oldid=1213519908 Mhhossein]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ghazaalch&diff=prev&oldid=1213520005 Ghazaalch]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Iskandar323&diff=prev&oldid=1213520028 Iskandar323]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MarioGom&diff=prev&oldid=1213520088 MarioGom]
 
;Confirmation that other steps in [[Wikipedia:dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] have been tried
* Contacted WMF
 
=== Statement by 182Line ===
Was told to post this report here by the Wikimedia Foundation.
 
''[[The Times]] raises many questions in [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-wikipedia-is-being-changed-to-downgrade-iranian-human-rights-atrocities-0j6gqqtkt ''How Wikipedia is being changed to downgrade Iranian human rights atrocities''] (paywalled), reprinted in [https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/iranian-cyber-army-blamed-as-wikipedia-deletes-atrocities/news-story/3947931532816bc4f1a9c5eca7df5f71 The Australian].''[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-01-10/In_the_media&diff=prev&oldid=1194661017] Here is a ''concise'' version:
 
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There is a systematic removal of instances documenting human right crimes by Iranian officials on Wikipedia, accompanied by the addition of misleading information favoring the IRP (Islamic Republic Party) on the platform.
 
From 2015 to 2022, numerous user accounts involved in such edits faced [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Srahmadi/Archive blocks] due to sock-puppetry and tendentious behavior. Despite this, a new wave of more sophisticated accounts has surfaced, actively collaborating to eliminate references to human rights violations committed by IRP officials and promote a narrative aligned with the IRP across the entire platform.
 
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[[User:Ali Ahwazi]] consistently utilizes sources aligned with the IRP to disseminate government propaganda:
 
*..."{{red|considering the continuation of the Zionist regime's aggressions}}" citing '''irdiplomacy.ir'''[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arab_League%E2%80%93Iran_relations&diff=prev&oldid=1192221364][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Egypt%E2%80%93Iran_relations&diff=prev&oldid=1192250923]
 
*..."{{red|to counter the adventurous and terrorist actions of the United States in the region}}" citing '''pishkhan.com'''[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Law_of_%22confrontation_with_human-rights_violations_and_USA_adventuresome_and_terrorist_measures_in_the_region%22&diff=prev&oldid=1194603004]
 
*..."{{red|The ultimate goal is to achieve complete freedom for Palestinian land from the sea to the river.}}" citing '''farsnews.ir'''[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=International_Conference_on_Supporting_Palestine_Intifada&diff=prev&oldid=1191605498]
 
Many more additional edits mirror this pattern of promoting Iranian government projects using Iranian government press releases: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Execution_of_Imam_Khomeini%27s_Order&diff=prev&oldid=989528204][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=COVIran_Barekat&diff=prev&oldid=1109548561][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=15_Khordad_Foundation&diff=prev&oldid=1147744898][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barakat_Foundation&diff=prev&oldid=1011372665][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barakat_Foundation&diff=prev&oldid=1075621499][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barakat_Foundation&diff=prev&oldid=1011369310][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=15_Khordad_Foundation&diff=prev&oldid=1124387134][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barakat_Foundation&diff=prev&oldid=1134286186][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barakat_Foundation&diff=prev&oldid=1138939649][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barakat_Foundation&diff=prev&oldid=978356007] etc.
 
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[[User:Mhhossein]]: In the [[Mahsa Amini protests]] Wikipedia article, Mhhossein [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mahsa_Amini_protests&diff=prev&oldid=1112064954 adds]:
 
*"{{red|Pro-government demonstrations occurred across Iran in response to the week long protest over Amini's death. According to live state television broadcast, demonstrators chanted "Death to America" and "Death to Israel."}}"
 
However, the source cited for this content (this [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/23/iran-reportedly-arrests-journalist-activist-mahsa-amini-protests news piece]) states:
 
* "'''Pro-government rallies have taken place in several cities across Iran in an attempt to counter a week of mounting unrest triggered by the death of a woman in police custody.'''"
 
* "'''Marchers called for anti-government protesters to be executed, while the army signalled that it was prepared to crush dissent by telling Iranians that it would confront 'the enemies' behind the unrest. Demonstrators condemned the anti-government protesters as 'Israel's soldiers', live state television coverage showed. They also shouted 'Death to America' and 'Death to Israel', common slogans the country's clerical rulers use to try and stir up support for authorities, who claimed the demonstrations of support were spontaneous. “Offenders of the Qur’an must be executed,” the crowds chanted.'''"
 
This editor is an admin at [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mhhossein Wikimedia Commons] and has leveraged his influence to eliminate images depicting protests against the Islamic Republic Party (IRP):
 
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Protests_against_the_Ayatollah_Khomeini_government_(20_June_1981).jpg File:Protests against the Ayatollah Khomeini government (20 June 1981).jpg]
 
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Solidarity_with_Iranian_Protests_(52383195713).jpg File:Solidarity with Iranian Protests.jpg]
 
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Solidarity_with_Iranian_Protests_(52383195713).jpg File:Solidarity with Iranian Protests (52383195713).jpg]
 
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/ File:Mahsa_Amini_protest_in_New_York.png]
 
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Mahsa_Amini_protest_in_New_York.png File:Mahsa Amini protest in New York.png]
 
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Protesting_for_Iran_(6604931151).jpg File:Protesting for Iran (6604931151).jpg]
 
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Mahsa_Amini_protests_in_Berlin_06.jpg File:Mahsa Amini protests in Berlin 06.jpg]
 
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Iranians_gather_in_front_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_embassy_in_Berlin_to_accompany_protests_in_Iran_-_Jan_2,_2018.jpg File:Iranians gather in front of the Islamic Republic of Iran embassy in Berlin to accompany protests in Iran - Jan 2, 2018.jpg]
 
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Protesters_Overturn_Iranian_Police_Van.webm File:Protesters Overturn Iranian Police Van.webm]
 
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Graffiti_in_Tehran_refers_to_Referendum,_during_2017%E2%80%9318_Iranian_protests_-_Jan_2,_2018_(2).jpg File:Graffiti in Tehran refers to Referendum, during 2017–18 Iranian protests - Jan 2, 2018 (2).jpg]
 
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Tehran_protests_(17).jpg File:Tehran protests (17).jpg]
 
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Izeh_-_Traffic_police_blocks_roads_-_Jan_2,_2018.jpg File:Izeh - Traffic police blocks roads - Jan 2, 2018.jpg]
 
Etc.
 
Then adds [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017%E2%80%932018_Iranian_protests&diff=prev&oldid=848508280 pro-government rally photos] and adds content from IRP press releases / removes any content critical of the IRP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017%E2%80%932018_Iranian_protests&diff=prev&oldid=820435087][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017%E2%80%932018_Iranian_protests&diff=prev&oldid=825318475] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017%E2%80%932018_Iranian_protests&diff=prev&oldid=821486636][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017%E2%80%932018_Iranian_protests&diff=prev&oldid=818246487][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017%E2%80%932018_Iranian_protests&diff=prev&oldid=818131663][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017%E2%80%932018_Iranian_protests&diff=prev&oldid=818060821][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017%E2%80%932018_Iranian_protests&diff=prev&oldid=818056445][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017%E2%80%932018_Iranian_protests&diff=prev&oldid=818245589][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017%E2%80%932018_Iranian_protests&diff=prev&oldid=817978363]
 
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[[User:Ghazaalch]] and [[User:Iskandar323]] delete huge amounts of documented human rights crimes by IRP officials:
 
*"{{red|According to the US State Department, the "death commissions" responsible for the 1988 executions of Iranian political prisoners started on 19 July (1988) and included the current head of the Iranian judiciary and current Minister of Justice.}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1159660353]
 
*"{{red|The executions were carried out by several high-ranking members of Iran's current government. According to the US State Department, the "death commissions" responsible for the 1988 executions of Iranian political prisoners started on 19 July (1988) and included the current head of the Iranian judiciary and current Minister of Justice.}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1164884572]
 
*"{{red|The Islamic Republic answered by "unleashing an unprecedented reign of terror", shooting demonstrators, including children.}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1167764135]
 
*"{{red|In April 1992, Iranian authorities carried out an air raid against MEK bases in Iraq.}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1167519037]
 
*"{{red|Those executed included women and children.}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1164884572]
 
*"{{red|Most of the prisoners executed were serving prison terms on account of peaceful activities (distributing opposition newspapers and leaflets, taking part in demonstrations, or collecting donations for political oppositions) or holding outlawed political views. To eliminate potential political oppositions, the Islamic Republic started "coordinated extrajudicial killings" in Iran. Under International law, the killings were considered a "crime against humanity". The commissions including judicial, prosecution, intelligence and prison officials proceeded executions that were not approved by their own existing legislation, and sentenced prisoners to death despite any proven "internationally recognized criminal offence". The Prisoners were questioned if they were willing to give written repentance for their political activities and beliefs.}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1164884572]
 
*"{{red|In December 2018, Albania expelled two Iranian diplomats due to alleged involvement in the bomb plot against the MEK (where Mayor Giuliani and other US government officials were also gathered) accusing the two of "violating their diplomatic status".}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1155739456]
 
*"{{red|In 2022, an Iranian official was sentenced to life imprisonment for his role in the execution of political prisoners.}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1154547295]
 
*"{{red|The two men pleaded guilty in November 2019 to several charges including conspiracy and "acting as an undeclared agent of the Iranian government". The Justice Department said that one of the men arrived in the US to gather "intelligence information" about the MEK (as well as Israeli and Jewish entities).}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1087611410]
 
*"{{red|Sa'adati was tried and sentenced to serve ten years in prison. In June 1981 when conflicts escalated between the MEK and Khomeini's government, Sa'adati was retried and executed by the Islamic Republic of Iran.}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1167520475]
 
*"{{red|bombings may have actually been planned by senior IRP leaders, to rid themselves of rivals within the IRP.}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1167770990]
 
*"{{red|After June 1981, many MEK sympathizers and middle-level organizers were detained and executed. Others were sent to rehabilitation camps, while about eight to ten thousand were kept in prison for minor charges such as "possession of copies of clandestine the Mujahid newspaper and similar acts of defiance".}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1167770990].
 
*"{{red|The Iranian Ministry of Intelligence (MOIS) cracked down on MEK activity, carrying out what a US Federal Research Division, Library of Congress Report referred to as "psychological warfare".}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1168021328]
 
*"{{red|In April 1992, Iranian authorities carried out an air raid against MEK bases in Iraq. The Islamic Republic Party claimed that the attack had been in retaliation to the MEK targeting Iranian governmental and civilian targets. The MEK and Iraq denied the allegations, claiming that Iran had "invented this attack on its territory to cover up the bombardment of the Mojahedin bases on Iraqi territory.}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1167519037]
 
*"{{red|According to Ervand Abrahamian, the MEK attacked the regime for "disrupting rallies and meetings, banning newspapers and burning down bookstores, rigging elections and closing down Universities; kidnapping imprisoning, and torturing political activists; reviving SAVAK and using the tribunals to terrorize their opponents, and engineering the American hostage crises to impose on the nation the 'medieval' concept of the velayat-e faqih"}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1167870921]
 
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* MarioGom is an SPI clerk that uses his clerk leverage to remove information which contradicts the narrative promoted by the Islamic Republic Party (IRP):[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1162242988][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1162398176][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1155098089][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1156515927][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1162384281][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1159308986][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1167384572][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1162385459][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1162245263][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1162233899][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1162381392] (the majority of these edits are accompanied by misleading edit summaries)
 
* MarioGom uses his clerk influence to derail reports against pro-IRP users: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1112626807][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1112711984][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Srahmadi&diff=prev&oldid=1152158175]
 
* MarioGom uses his clerk influence to hound and request blocks for editors opposing these pro-IRP users (including the editors mentioned in the post above this one - Alex-h, Fad Ariff, MA Javadi etc.).
 
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In essence, this is the pattern. While these mentioned editors are not an exhaustive list of those involved in the Wikipedia IRP censorship issue, they currently represent the primary contributors to these activities. [[User:182Line|182Line]] ([[User talk:182Line|talk]]) 12:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 
:{{re|MarioGom}} The core of the request is that the Wikipedia editors listed here (including yourself) have contributed to the systematic removal of human right crimes committed by Iranian government officials. [[User:182Line|182Line]] ([[User talk:182Line|talk]]) 15:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Statement by Ali Ahwazi ===
=== Statement by Mhhossein ===
=== Statement by Ghazaalch ===
=== Statement by Iskandar323 ===
=== Statement by MarioGom ===
I have not been notified or pinged, but I acknowledge that I have seen this request. I had no time to read anything in the collapsible sections yet, but I will do it soon. [[User:MarioGom|MarioGom]] ([[User talk:MarioGom|talk]]) 15:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 
:Just to make sure I understood the request. The core of the request is the claim that I am an {{tq|Iranian official [...] involved in the Wikipedia IRP censorship issue}}? [[User:MarioGom|MarioGom]] ([[User talk:MarioGom|talk]]) 15:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|182Line}}, an obvious experienced sockpuppet, who just gamed autoconfirmed and has been recently forum shopping this as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/194.50.144.202 194.50.144.202], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/OutBuck OutBuck], and probably [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/175.110.69.12 175.110.69.12] would probably have no standing to open a case request per [[WP:PROJSOCK]]. I am going to proceed with my statement anyway, since I think it would make sense for ArbCom to consider case requests if they can stand on their own merits.
:Three types of evidence are presented against me:
:* That I have used my "clerk leverage" in discussions. Yet I participated in these discussions as a regular editor, as virtually any edit I make outside SPI. There is a long string of diffs, which look just fine to me. The filer claims I used misleading edit summaries in most of them, but what I see is nothing misleading. On the contrary, most are really specific about rationales (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran&diff=prev&oldid=1162242988]). Given the MEK article has been highly controversial, I tend to use fairly detailed edit summaries. If there was any specific issue with any of these edits, I’m fairly sure it was already discussed in the talk page.
:* That I use my "clerk influence" to {{tq|derail reports against pro-IRP users}}. Three diffs are provided: 1) a !vote in a t-ban proposal at ANI [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1112626807], obviously done as a regular editor, and whose rationale I still stand by, 2) a comment in the same discussion [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1112711984], and 3) a comment in an SPI case [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Srahmadi&diff=prev&oldid=1152158175] also offering some nuance that I still stand by.
:* That I {{tq|hound and request blocks}}. What the filer calls hounding here is sockpuppet investigation, which I have regularly done in this area for a few years. Going into details would require way more text, but ArbCom is familiar with every investigation I have performed related to a trollfarm linked to the NCRI/MEK.
:If ArbCom would like to hear individualized explanations about any of these diffs or claims, let me know, and I will need a word limit extension. [[User:MarioGom|MarioGom]] ([[User talk:MarioGom|talk]]) 19:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Statement by Usedtobecool ===
I remember seeing this report before but there is nothing listed on prior dispute resolution. '''[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]'''&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]] 14:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 
Found it.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1204132300] '''[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]'''&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]] 18:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Statement by Thryduulf ===
I have explicitly listed all the editors [[user:182Line|182Line]] named in the headers of the collapsed sections above and given the notifications that they did not. I have had no prior involvement with this and have not yet read the details of the request. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 15:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
*The discussion linked by UsedToBeCool was posted by [[user:OutBuck]] as their first and (apart from a subsequent markup correct) only contribution to en.wp under that username. It was reverted a few minutes later by [[user:Bbb23|Bbb23]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=next&oldid=1204133093] without explanation in the edit summary but they immediately gave OutBuck an only warning for harassment ([[Special:Permalink/1204134605|permalink]]). I have no doubts that 182Line and OutBuck are the same person, but a checkuser may wish to see if they have any other accounts. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 18:57, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
*{{replyto|Serial Number 54129}} Especially post-Framgate if the WMF are approached with a complaint that can be handled on a local wiki they are going to tell the correspondent to use the appropriate processes on that wiki (which is what a large proportion of editors here want them to do) - whether one or more specific processes are listed I don't know. They certainly wouldn't instruct arbcom to take a case (I'm not even sure they could). A secure alt is not impossible here, but only one and it should be disclosed to the committee (if it had been then arbs would not be describing it as a throw-away account). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 20:02, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
*:{{tpq|I wouldn't expect them to know the rules here. Which ironically is something the WMF should be instructing would-be case filers}} I disagree - it is not reasonable to expect the WMF to educate every person who contacts them on the rules of individual projects. Especially if they do not disclose any usernames in their email. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 22:12, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Statement by Serial Number 54129 ===
Sorry! I wasn;'t going to comment, but I assumed this would be reverted with cause (where's Bbb23 when you need him) as a joke. Or something. I mean: what's this {{tq|Was told to post this report here by the Wikimedia Foundation}}? Really?! I mean, maybe, but really?! Do the WMF usually instruct local arbcoms to hear cases? Or more correctly, advise random editors to report it to local committees? And if they did, wouldn't they contact the committee if only to assure them that, yes, they did?{{pb}}{{reply|Barkeep49|Thryduulf}} To be fair, re. the account being either a burner or a sock, I think this is one of those few times where it might be excused. You see, I can't help but think that if I were a member of the Iranian Wikipedia, and was effectively ''[[wikt:grassing up|grassing up]] Iranian government officials'', I would probably ''not'' use my home account either. See: [[WP:SECURESOCK]]. And [[Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran|this]]. [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">——Serial Number 54129</span>]] 19:46, 13 March 2024 (UTC){{pb}}Thanks Thryduulf. Although, on the latter, point, if we're talking about someone whose home wiki ''is'' fa.wp, I wouldn't expect them to know the rules here. Which ironically is something the WMF ''should'' be instructing would-be case filers, especially if they are interested in maintaining good post-FRAMGATE relations with said wiki. Which they may or may not be, of course. [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">——Serial Number 54129</span>]] 20:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 
{{reply|Robert McClenon}} To clarify, no-one has suggested that this ''is'' {{tq|an account from another language Wikipedia}}. [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">——Serial Number 54129</span>]] 17:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 
Robert McClenon: That is ''precisely'' my point (ignoring your rather childish dig). The whole point is that this could be someone whose home wiki is fa.wp, but, for reasons of security or self-interest, chooses to set up an account to make a highly sensitive report so as not to link themselves on a home wiki. That is very much in keeping with the spirit of WP:SECURESOCK. Since I have to repeat myself: they may be reporting the activities of agents of a government known to be active on that home wiki. You think that's frivolous. But then you also appear to believe that looking at reliable sources is a waste of time prior to making a judgment. You also seem to have reached the conclusion that I agree with you on something. I should clarify, that has so rarely been the case in the past that is unlikely to be so now.{{pb}}@Arbs, ignoring McClenon's unhelpful remark for a moment, I should make it clear that I don't personally have an opinion; I do not know whether this is the case or not. But this is one of those rare times (although [[Internet manipulation|increasingly less so]], perhaps...) when Wikipedia intersects with real life, with potential concomitant RL consequences. I mean... Iran [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">——Serial Number 54129</span>]] 20:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 
===Statement by Robert McClenon (Iranian POV)===
Arbitration has always been a last resort for the resolution of disputes that cannot be settled in any other way. The filing of [[WP:RFAR|Requests for Arbitration]] by what appear to be new accounts established for the purpose of filing requests for arbitration does not appear to illustrate that all previous methods of dispute resolution, or any methods of dispute resolution, have been exhausted. (The global edit history shows that the filer is a new account, not an account from another language Wikipedia.) The list of previous steps in dispute resolution says that the filing party (the new account) contacted the WMF, which is a different last resort for the resolution of disputes. There is no evidence of discussion at any [[English Wikipedia]] forum. The evidence of a problem is that an article has been published by a [[WP:RS|reliable source]], [[The Times]] (of London), apparently stating that there is being systematic removal of reports of human rights violations by the Iranian government. I have not read the details of the report because it is paywalled. There has not been an attempt to discuss the report. If there had been a serious attempt to discuss the report, an inquiry similar to the May 2023 case on distortion of coverage of the Jews in Poland in World War Two might be in order. There has not been such an attempt, and such a case is not in order. This filing is frivolous.
 
ArbCom should decline this case request, and remind the filer that premature filings are considered vexatious, but should be ready to consider an inquiry into distortion of Wikipedia coverage if there has been real inconclusive discussion. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 16:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
::[[User:Serial Number 54129]] - No, on reading your aside comment three times, but you did write: {{tq|Although, on the latter, point, if we're talking about someone whose home wiki is fa.wp, I wouldn't expect them to know the rules here. }}, thus raising the possibility that we were dealing with such a user, so I checked the global history. So we agree that is a throwaway account used for a frivolous filing. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 18:54, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Statement by Selfstudier ===
Imho, this is effectively a CT and non ECR editors should not be able to pursue remedies here. if this is a real problem, and the indications thus far is that is at least exaggerated, then surely there are some ECR editors willing to make the case. [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 17:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
=== Statement by Vanamonde ===
I lack the time to examine the specifics, but as an admin who used to do a fair bit of GS enforcement in this area, I am of the opinion that AE has been an under-utilized resource, and I recommend ARBCOM decline to look into this when none of these supposedly problematic edits were reported to AE. I don't think this rises to the level of needing arbitration at this moment. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 01:38, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
=== Statement by {Non-party} ===
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.
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=== Statement by Irtapil ===
{{small|moved from {{u|Serial Number 54129}}'s section. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 09:59, 14 March 2024 (UTC)}}
{{re|Serial Number 54129}} what do you mean by "home wiki"? [[User:Irtapil|Irtapil]] ([[User talk:Irtapil|talk]]) 09:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 
{{re|Primefac}} I think this is where my statement belongs if I have no previous involvement? [[User:Irtapil|Irtapil]] ([[User talk:Irtapil|talk]]) 23:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
=== Promoting Iranian government POV in Wikipedia?: Clerk notes ===
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=== Promoting Iranian government POV in Wikipedia?: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/0/0> ===
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*This case request seems to be from a throwaway account, which I'm not in favor of accepting a request from, exceeds the 500/1000 word maximum (and if we honor 500 words, exceeds the 50 diff limit), and did not notify. I had privately suggested this be removed procedurally, without prejudice to refiling once those are remedied (and since then Thryduulff has fixed the notifications) but since someone else objected to that I wanted to publicly note my concerns about this. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User talk:Barkeep49#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Barkeep49|contribs]]) </small>
*:SN: If only it were as simple as pro-Iran/anti-Iran. The Iranian politics case showed there are vested interests, with their own issues, on the anti-Iran front who are also manipulating Wikipedia content, against policies, for their own ends. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 20:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
*:Re:WMF: I find it unlikely that the WMF endorsed this filing per se. Rather I find it more likely that a user contacted the Foundation and the Foundation said "this is a matter for the community and for ArbCom". WMF stuff comes to ArbCom through certain (private) channels and this is obviously not that. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 20:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
*I am not unsympathetic to the procedural issues to the case request. That said, I am mindful that we heard [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian politics]] in 2021, and we do have a broad ability to revisit proceedings as necessary. As far as quick perusal of the initial statement, [[User:Ali Ahwazi|Ali Ahwazi]] needs at a minimum a referral to AE considering the highlighted edits, which are recent. [[User:Mhhossein|Mhhossein]] was a party to the previous case, and the highlighted edits are from 2017 and 2018. ArbCom has no jurisdiction over Commons. So, in short, while we're here, do we have any cause to continue? Otherwise I'm happy to see the case request removed on procedural grounds. [[User:Maxim|Maxim]] ([[User talk:Maxim|talk]]) 15:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
*I agree with Maxim that this can be procedurally removed as premature and/or deficient for the reasons they and Barkeep49 outline. [[User:Firefly|<span style="color:#850808;">firefly</span>]] <small>( [[User talk:Firefly|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Firefly|c]] )</small> 20:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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