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Most of the relevant information on the Order-State of Burgundy is either not cited or comes from discussion board. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20110723221511/http://www.nexusboard.net/sitemap/6365/ns-zukunftsplane-fur-europa-und-die-welt-t297574/ main citations are to discussion boards] which are not considered [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|Reliable sources]] and violate policies of [[Wikipedia:No original research|No original research]] and [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|Verifiability]]. Their are no reliable sources fo information I can find on it online for the topic. It appears to be related more to an online game "[https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2949944257 Hearts of Iron]" [[User:Myotus|Myotus]] ([[User talk:Myotus|talk]]) 19:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Most of the relevant information on the Order-State of Burgundy is either not cited or comes from discussion board. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20110723221511/http://www.nexusboard.net/sitemap/6365/ns-zukunftsplane-fur-europa-und-die-welt-t297574/ main citations are to discussion boards] which are not considered [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|Reliable sources]] and violate policies of [[Wikipedia:No original research|No original research]] and [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|Verifiability]]. Their are no reliable sources fo information I can find on it online for the topic. It appears to be related more to an online game "[https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2949944257 Hearts of Iron]" [[User:Myotus|Myotus]] ([[User talk:Myotus|talk]]) 19:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bilateral relations|Bilateral relations]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/History|History]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Military|Military]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Geography|Geography]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Belgium|Belgium]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/France|France]], and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Germany|Germany]]. [[User:Skynxnex|Skynxnex]] ([[User talk:Skynxnex|talk]]) 21:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)</small>
*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bilateral relations|Bilateral relations]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/History|History]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Military|Military]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Geography|Geography]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Belgium|Belgium]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/France|France]], and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Germany|Germany]]. [[User:Skynxnex|Skynxnex]] ([[User talk:Skynxnex|talk]]) 21:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)</small>
*'''Comment''' - This was apparently a real plan. All the actual information on a state in Burgundy appears to come from a memoir by someone who was a doctor for Himmler, as stated in The Time article. Text of this memoir [https://ia903406.us.archive.org/4/items/the-kersten-memoirs-1940-1945/The%20Kersten%20Memoirs%2C%201940-1945.pdf here]. The Time article given is also just a summary of this as well. The Wallonien also says "His [Leon Degrelle's] purpose was actually historic: to make a great Burgundy with the southern part of Belgium and a part of northern France. His dream: to recreate the duchy of Charles the Bold before his death at Nancy in 1477." (this is all it seemingly says about Burgundy). The forum post appears to have used the memoir as a source but not everything in the forum appears to be in the memoir, at least the copy I could find. The unsourced paragraph in the background section (and every detail originally given about the state when the article was created) is entirely from the forum post as well. The name and maybe some details appear to have been made up from a Hearts of Iron mod, as it only appears to be called Burgundy in actual sources, and looking up the name given only gives results for HoI discussions and Polandball. I'm not voting though, there could be things I'm missing. <span style="background-color: rgb(240, 233, 205); padding: 3px">[[User:StreetcarEnjoyer|<span style="color: rgb(237, 50, 45);">StreetcarEnjoyer</span>]] [[User talk:StreetcarEnjoyer|<span style="color: rgb(237, 50, 45);">(talk)</span>]]</span> 01:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

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Most of the relevant information on the Order-State of Burgundy is either not cited or comes from discussion board. The main citations are to discussion boards which are not considered Reliable sources and violate policies of No original research and Verifiability. Their are no reliable sources fo information I can find on it online for the topic. It appears to be related more to an online game "Hearts of Iron" Myotus (talk) 19:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bilateral relations, History, Military, Geography, Belgium, France, and Germany. Skynxnex (talk) 21:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - This was apparently a real plan. All the actual information on a state in Burgundy appears to come from a memoir by someone who was a doctor for Himmler, as stated in The Time article. Text of this memoir here. The Time article given is also just a summary of this as well. The Wallonien also says "His [Leon Degrelle's] purpose was actually historic: to make a great Burgundy with the southern part of Belgium and a part of northern France. His dream: to recreate the duchy of Charles the Bold before his death at Nancy in 1477." (this is all it seemingly says about Burgundy). The forum post appears to have used the memoir as a source but not everything in the forum appears to be in the memoir, at least the copy I could find. The unsourced paragraph in the background section (and every detail originally given about the state when the article was created) is entirely from the forum post as well. The name and maybe some details appear to have been made up from a Hearts of Iron mod, as it only appears to be called Burgundy in actual sources, and looking up the name given only gives results for HoI discussions and Polandball. I'm not voting though, there could be things I'm missing. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 01:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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