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Sailing at the 1972 Summer Olympics

- Finn was for Men only, not Mixed. (Events to be updated). - Perhaps useful to say that 1972 Olympics were the fist time with all boats "One design". (But, if comments take place in the main article only, forget it !) --Barbetorte (talk) 06:46, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

• I will mention the one design in the 1972 page. Thanks for the idea.
• On the men only. Are you sure about that? I know the facts for the whole sailing in 1972 was men only. But was it really restricted. I can not find that in the official reports or in my memory. I know that as a girl you are not in the right state of mind try to sail the heavy Finn at Olympic level but was it prohibitat? As far as I know all (sailing) Olympics up to 1988 were gender independent. Also on some websites there was som retro enginering done to bring the past more in line with the present:-). Please help me to find the right answer? Regards NED33 (talk) 08:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I (in french Wikipedia somebody else noted it) found that in ISAF site. It looks like an exception. --Barbetorte (talk) 09:34, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I keep looking. In other archieves as well.NED33 (talk) 12:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

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Sailing at the 1912 Summer Olympics (UNDER DEVELOPMENT)

Sailing at the Games of the XX Olympiad
Special stamp Germany, Olympic sailing 1972
Venue	Kiel-Schilksee
Dates	August 29, 1972 to September 8, 1972
Competitors	318 from 42 nations
Teams	152

Sailing/Yachting is a Olympic sport starting from the Games of the 1^st Olympiad (1886 Olympics in Athens Greece). With the exception of 1904 and possible 1916 sailing was always a part of the Olympic program. The Sailing program of 1972 consisted of a total of six sailing classes (disciplines). For each class seven races were scheduled from August 29, 1972 to September 8, 1972 of the coast of Kiel-Schilksee in the Firth of Kiel. Kiel hosted the Olympic sailing competitions for the second time, having previously done so duyring the 1936 Summer Olympics. The sailing was done on the triangular type Olympic courses.

Venue

Kieler Yacht Club Kiel-Schiksee (Olympiazentrum)
Flag of Kieler Yacht Club Kiel-Schiksee (Olympiazentrum) Flag

According to the IOC statutes the contests in all sport disciplines must be held either in, or as close as possible to the city which the IOC has chosen. Among others, an exception is made for the Olympic yachting events, which customarily must be staged on the open sea. On account of this principle, immediately after it became known that the city of Munich had the intention of hosting the Games of the XXth Olympiad, the cities of Kiel and Lübeck competed for the honor to carry out the Olympic yachting regattas. When Kiel (and the Kieler Yacht Club) won the competition the following was decided:

• a yachting center would be built in Kiel/Schilksee that, as was the case with the sport facilities in Munich, must be usable after the period of the Olympic Games as a future sports center;
• the city of Kiel will conduct a building competition for the Olympic Center in Kiel-Schilksee as soon as possible;
• the OC will form a committee for the Olympic yachting events to coordinate all contingencies arising in Kiel, and will in addition create a corresponding fulltime organization of the OC in Kiel in order to handle the necessary work and activities in Kiel on schedule.

During the Games the number of spectators and visitors at the Olympic events in Kiel and at the Olympic Center in Kiel-Schilksee exceeded the expectations by a large margin. Conservative estimates put the total number at about a million spectators and visitors in Kiel.

A total of three race areas were created in the Firth of Kiel of the coast of Kiel/Schilksee.

Competiton

Overview

Continents	Countries	Classes	Boats	Male	Female
5	42	6	152	318	0

Continents

• Asia
• Australian continent
• Europe
• North America
• South America

Countries

File:1972 Olympic Sailing Countries.png

Blue countries participated in the 1972 Olympic Sailing

Argentina (ARG)	Australia (AUS)	Austria (AUT)	Bahamas (BAH)	Belgium (BEL)	Bermuda (BER)
Brazil (BRA)	Canada (CAN)	Denmark (DEN)	Spain (ESP)	Finland (FIN)	France (FRA)
West Germany (FRG)	Great Britain (GBR)	East Germany (GDR)	Greece (GRE)	Hong Kong (HKG)	Hungary (HUN)
India (IND)	Ireland (IRL)	Israel (ISR)	Virgin Islands (ISV)	Italy (ITA)	Jamaica (JAM)
Japan (JPN)	Mexico (MEX)	Netherlands (NED)	Norway (NOR)	New Zealand (NZL)	Philippines (PHI)
Poland (POL)	Portugal (POR)	Puerto Rico (PUR)	Republic of China (ROC)	Switzerland (SUI)	Sweden (SWE)
Czechoslovakia (TCH)	Thailand (THA)	Trinidad and Tobago (TRI)	Soviet Union (URS)	United States (USA)	Yugoslavia (YUG)

Classes (equipment)

Class	Type	Event	Sailors	Trapeze	Mainsail	Jib/Genoa	Spinnaker	From	Olympics so far
Finn	Dinghy		1	0	+	-	-	1952	6
Flying Dutchman	Dinghy		2	1	+	+	+	1960	4
Tempest	Keelboat		2	1	+	+	+	1972	1
Star	Keelboat		2	0	+	+	-	1932	9
Soling	Keelboat		3	0	+	+	+	1972	1
Dragon	Keelboat		3	0	+	+	+	1948	7

= Male, = Female, = Open

1972 Olympic Classes designs

• 

1972 Olympic Classes in action

• 
  Finn:
  single handed dinghy
• 
  Flying Dutchman:
  double handed dinghy
• 
  Tempest:
  double handed keelboat
• 
  Star:
  double handed keelboat
• 
  Soling:
  triple handed keelboat
• 
  Dragon:
  triple handed keelboat

Medal summary

Event	Gold	Silver	Bronze
Finn:	France (FRA)	Greece (GRE)	Soviet Union (URS)
Flying Dutchman:	Great Britain (GBR)	France (FRA)	West Germany (FRG)
Tempest:	Soviet Union (URS)	Great Britain (GBR)	United States (USA)
Star: File:Starclass emblem.png	Australia (AUS)	Sweden (SWE)	West Germany (FRG)
Soling:	United States (USA)	Sweden (SWE)	Canada (CAN)
Dragon:	Australia (AUS)	East Germany (GDR)	United States (USA)

Medal tables

Sailing 1972

1	Australia (AUS)	2	0	0	2
2	France (FRA)	1	1	0	2
	Great Britain (GBR)	1	1	0	2
4	United States (USA)	1	0	2	3
5	Soviet Union (URS)	1	0	1	2
6	Sweden (SWE)	0	2	0	2
7	East Germany (GDR)	0	1	0	1
	Greece (GRE)	0	1	0	1
9	West Germany (FRG)	0	0	2	2
10	Canada (CAN)	0	0	1	1
Total		6	6	6	18

Remarks

Munich

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Because of the distance to Munich and the fact that no sailing was scheduled for 6 and 7 September, the killings of 11 Israeli athletes had less impact on sailing than it had on the other events in Munich. Only a few of the sailing teams did not start at the last day of the races. Among them the Israelian Flying Dutchman team of: Yair Michaeli and Izchak Nir.

Sailors

During the Sailing regatta's at the 1972 Summer Olympics among others the following persons were competing in the various classes:

• Royalties
  •  Thailand (THA), Prince of Thailand, Prinz Bhanubanda Bira in the Tempest
  •  Norway (NOR), King of Norway, HrH Crownprince Harald in the Soling
  •  Spain (ESP), King of Spain, Sar Juan Carlos de Borbon in the Dragon
• Sportmanagers
  •  Belgium (BEL), President International Olympic Committee, Jacques Rogge in the Finn
  •  Finland (FIN), Past president International Sailing Federation, Peter Tallberg in the Soling
• First non American winner of the America's Cup
  •  Australia (AUS), John Bertrand in the Finn

Sailors at the 1972 Olympic Games

• 
  In Finn:
  Jacques Rogge
• In Finn: John Bertrand
  In Finn:
  John Bertrand
• In Tempest: Prinz Bhanubanda Bira
  In Tempest:
  Prinz Bhanubanda Bira
• 
  In Soling:
  Harald V of Norway
• 
  In Dragon:
  Juan Carlos I of Spain

Trivia

• This Olympic sailing event was gender independent, but tuned out to be a Mens only event. This was one of the triggers to create gender specific events. This however had to wait until 1988.
• Some sources state the Finn event as a designated men only event. The Official report of the games does not mention this gender specific discriminator,
• It was the first Olympic sailing contest were only "One Design" classes were used. Also non of the classes was "owned by one builder". In general more that one builder was allowed. (The boats had to apply to what we now call open standards).
• Paul Elvstrøm was trying to win his fifth Gold medal. He left the games however premature. Assumed is that the media pressure became too high at that moment. Paul took revenge by sailing two times more at the Olympics (1984 and 1988) in the Tornado. One of Paul's crewmembers from the Soling took the gold later. Valdemar Bandolowski together with 1972 Dragon helmsman Poul Richard Høj Jensen won the Gold in the Soling class in 1976 and 1980.
• Although favourable wind conditions in September were predicted. Some of the races suffered from lack of wind. In the Soling and Dragon only 6 races could be completed and the 6^th race in the Finn only three contenders were able to finish in time.

References

• (ed.) Kunze, Herbert (1974). The official report of the Organizing Committee for the Games of the XXth Olympiad Munich 1972, Volume 3 The competitions (PDF). Munich: proSport. p. 505. Retrieved 2010-05-25. {{cite book}}: |author= has generic name (help)
• Kubatko, Justin. "Sailing at the 1972 München Summer Games: Finn". Olympics at Sports-Reference.com. Sports Reference LLC. Retrieved 2010-05-25.
• "Munich 1972". Olympics.com. International Olympic Committee.

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Please get consensus for your changes

You seem to be using your talk page as a sandbox, but this is still the best place for me to contact you, I presume.
Please seek consensus from WP:WikiProject Olympics before making changes to the Olympic sailing articles. You are attempting to change the common style in use for hundreds of articles, and you are not following the MOS. We appreciate the help of having a new editor add to these articles, but please do not create excessive cleanup work by not conforming to the standard style. Thanks — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 15:54, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I see some of the new 1972 per-event pages you've created, and they look good, but they still need a bit of work. I will make a series of edits to Sailing at the 1972 Summer Olympics – Finn with detailed edit summaries, as I think this might be the best way for me to list the style changes. Let me know if you have any questions. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:23, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'm looking much forward to the changes. As you probably understand I found in the last year severe shortcomings, incompleatness and errors in the Olympic Sailing History. I collected reasonable amount of documentations and talked with Sailors who went to Olymics since 1960. I'm working with user: Barbetorte as soundingboard. Furthermore I also place a note on the Discussion page of a artickle on Sailing at the .... Summer Olympics. Thanks again for your remarks and help. NED33 (talk) 16:30, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I think I'm done with the 1972 Finn page, if you want to use that as an example for the others. Thanks — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 18:35, 25 May 2010 (UTC)