Talk:Halle Berry

Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame

She is expected get her "star" on the Hollywood Boulevard Walk of Fame in Hollywood, California sometime in 2004.

Did she? I can't find her on http://www.hollywoodchamber.net/ MrWeeble 14:09, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

She stated in an interview a while ago that she was waiting until she has a big movie out before she accepts it. Inductees can take up to 5 years to get it Dowew 23:39, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

1966 or 1968?

1966 and 1968 are both commonly given as Berry's year of birth on the Internet. Google gives 5,870 hits for halle.berry born 1966 -1968 and 9,830 hits for halle.berry born 1968 -1966. Of the pages that mention both dates, most give 1968 as Halle's year of birth, with 1966 as year her elder sister Heidi was born.

1968 is the date given by Encyclopaedia Britannica, the New York Times, and MSN. Credible sites giving the 1966 date include CBS and IMDB.

Overall, it looks like 1968 more probably the correct date, but the article should mention the strange lack of unanimity. Pterodactyler 05:09, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

When it comes to ages and models/actresses, usually the older age is the correct one. The IMDb age is more likely, if there was more compelling evidence for 1968, they would have changed it there. As for something more concrete than just which websites say what, Bedford High School says that she graduated in 1984, which would mean she was born in 1966. If her sister (Heidi)'s last name is Berry, then Heidi was born Oct 6, 1964.--Fallout boy 09:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

It's 1966. She confirmed that she is turning 40 this year [1]

african american or bi-racial?

halle berry should not be refferd to as african american , her mother is white and she is bi-racial , that is not the same as african american , african american means both parents are african american , if somone has one african american parent , and one white , that does not make them african american also , they are bi-racial

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Where did you get the idea that both mother and father have to be african american in order to be considered an African American? If that is the case, then the overwhelming majority of African American in this country are bi-racial. How would you classify Booker T. Washington and Frederick Douglass. Both of them either had a white father. Also, Dorothy Dandridge was bi-racial as well, but is considered an African American by herself and everyone else.

But, this is why she is considered an African American. First, and most important, she (Halle Berry) has always referred to herself as an African American in nearly every interview she has given. Also, her white mother raised her as an African American. Furthermore, in nearly all of her films, she plays an African American, except in slave movies where she plays a mulatto African American. So, whats good for Booker T Washington, Frederick Douglass, and Dorothy Dandridge is also good for all African American, including Halle Berry.

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It's a shame that people such as Halle Berry don't embrace both sides of their heritage; both black and white. Instead of uniting us, this continues to divide us. I embrace all aspects of my heritage but first and foremost, I'm American. 67.141.72.139 20:26, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

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Well, I happend to agree with you, I am also beyond sick of the Black/White crap. I'm also bi-racial. And, I embrace both my African-American and White side of my family. But, in this world, primarily in the USA, I have yet to met a person who excepts me as a White or bi-racial person. I am branded as African American. Which is okay with me, because I love it! 65.134.208.17

Yeah I think that that new "lineage" thing, works good enough for me. The Fascist Chicken 20:35, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

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I can't remember on the 2000 census if it listed a spot for Bi-racial. If not, they need to do that and that will be a first step in healing the racial divide. Although, I know there are many more steps to take but I am sick of the black/white schism also. It may be our ultimate downfall. By just listing African-American on this article's page, it denies her white heritage also. 65.198.140.92 22:05, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

If she wasn't as hot as she is you wouldn't care what she called herself. Most Black people are mixed to some degree, but no ones gunning to call us all multracial. --Vehgah 21:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)--65.188.253.47 21:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Moritani akira 07:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Halle Berry refers to herself as African-American. Are you going to argue with Halle Berry? PennyGWoods 03:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. She is not the first person of multi-racial descent to self-identify herself solely as being of one race. Take for instance, Mariah Carey who, while always willing to tell people her makeup, also is on record as saying (paraphrasing) that although she has Irish blood in her, it's not as if she is going to go down to the pub on St. Patrick's Day and start shouting about it. Halle's mother is white, and her father is black. On that basis, she is bi-racial. But she self-identifies as black (or African-American), she says that she was raised that way, and that is that. As long as she doesn't start claiming a heritage that she clearly doesn't belong to, I think she can call herself anything she wants. -- Jalabi99 00:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

actually, halle has mentioned that she is biracial, and her mother didn't tell her that she was black, she told her that she was biracial, but everyone would see her as black. and besided, what a person identifies with doesn't change their genes. half of halle berry's genes are white, and the same amount are black. so, let's refer her that way. also, on her website, it lists her backgroud as "african american and english." Colorfulharp233 01:32, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

She considers herself African-American so that's what she needs to be classified as. --Woohookitty^(meow) 10:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

HALLE BERRY AND HER ROMANTIC LIFE AS OF 2006 & HER ACTUAL BIRTH DATE

First off, I have spoken to Halle Berry and the year, in which she was born, is 1966. She turns 40 this year on August 14.

Secondly, many have made more of Halle Berry's association with Gabriel Aubry more than it really was and some are still trying to make it look as though these two are still associating. Halle Berry is actually in love with another Canadian man, named Stuart. He is 5'7", too. I know Stuart and he has spoken to Halle. A person, who has been harrassing Stuart, framed him and made him look bad to Halle. Halle did not know the truth about Stuart for 6 weeks. During this time, Halle Berry was confused about Stuart's feelings for her and she nearly had a real 'fling' with Gabriel Aubry. According to Halle Berry, Gabriel and she did not really do anything. When she saw Gabriel at the Perfect Strangers party, to which he just showed up, she was confused and depressed about the situation concerning Stuart and she got friendlier than she would have, had she known the truth about Stuart. This will become verifiable soon.

I am trying to help Halle Berry and Stuart.

Akira Moritani

Moritani akira 07:16, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

You spoke to Halle Berry? Excuse me if I don't believe you, WP:AGF aside. Mike H. That's hot 08:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

And there's WP:NOR to consider too. --Chris (talk) 14:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I spoke to Halle Berry directly on about February 12 or 13, 2006. She is a really nice and very sweet person. More on this later, if I am permitted to. Otherwise, everyone shall know just by the visual impact of seeing her with Stuart.

Moritani akira 07:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not about whether or not you spoke with her, it's that that is original research, something that does not belong on Wikipedia. If you had an interview with her that was later published, that would be a different story. --Chris (talk) 18:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Why do I feel that this particular "no original research" slam is partly motivated by jealousy (he talked to Halle, and you didn't)? ;) Yo, Moritani, hook up a brother with her digits, yo! -- Jalabi99 00:12, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Image

Berry has undoubtedly been filmed innumerable times, during her relatively long career, fully clothed. Is there any reason she must be portrayed half-nude here, especially insofar as she is not an obscure person who has never been seen by average movie fans in such a state? Thanks. --198.59.190.204 00:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

We don't censor. Actually, given that she is known for her beauty as much as anything else, I think it's appropriate. --Woohookitty^(meow) 02:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

That's irrelevant when you consider that this picture is not used to discuss the film it was taken from, and is therefore not covered by fair use. The pictures used on this article have been removed countless times; can anyone find a picture of her that is not from a movie, like a PR photo or something? --Chris (talk) 06:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh come on. Again, look at Katie Holmes. Featured article. Batman picture right up front. I think we need to cool down on picture fascism. Mad Jack O'Lantern 07:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The fact that this error occurs lots of time in Wikipedia doesn't make it right. The {{film-screenshot}} template says cleary that the image can be used solely "for identification and critical commentary on the film and its contents". Are we going to change that? The same misconception always occurs with {{Magazinecover}}.

The Katie Holmes image is a {{promophoto}}, that may (in some cases) be used to "the person, product, event, or subject in question". --Abu Badali 17:34, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

There's now a freely-licensed image in this article: Image:Halle Berry,San Diego Comic-Con 2003.jpg. Jkelly 23:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

This is great news. Misusing a 'fair use' image is just the lazy man's path. Removing such images from the articles always end up with great peolple finding usable picture to replace them. Kudos to the photographer (for taking the picture and for realising under a free license) and to the uploader. --Abu Badali 01:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

her mother's ancestry

the article states that her mother is of "English ancestry", but i was under the impression that her mother was born (and raised?) in Liverpool. In which case she would be English (and who knows of what "ancestry"...). It's not incredibly important, but if she was born in england, then i think it's worth changing it. Amo 11:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a common mistake that her mother was born in England - it was her grandma.[2] Mad Jack O'Lantern 13:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I just added a link to a recent interview she did with the BBC, in which she clearly stated that her mother is "blonde-haired, blue-eyed", and from Liverpool. That should settle the issue, I think. -- Jalabi99 00:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced quote

"Her personality, as described by a co-worker, was expressed in these terms..."I can hardly believe how sweet and nice she had been to everyone. People who weren't half as beautiful as she did not display the kind of inner beauty she exhibited."" Mad Jack O'Lantern 13:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone source this section?

"*There is also some objection from certain X-Men fans, upset that Halle's light complection and only slightly above average height onscreen make her unfit to star as the X-Men character Storm. Storm is written as being a 5'11" half African American half Kenyan. Some fans have requested that someone else such as Angela Bassett or Nona Gaye replace her in the role." Mad Jack O'Lantern 20:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

It can sourced, but I'm not sure that message boards and film critics count as "sources". I was the one who originally brought up the Halle/Storm controversy, but it's been so mangled and POVed that I don't even recognize it anymore. What I was pointing out was the notable differences in height, age, skin tone, etc., while mentioning that hardly any of the X-Men in the movies were "right" for their roles and the entire movies series was written out of order, and so on. The poster who deleted that portion (User:ToGoodToGiveAName), felt the need to delete it w/o stating why. Aw, poor widdle angry fanboy.

There IS a big controversy about Halle (who is half white) playing Storm (who was 1/2 Kenyan and 1/2 black). The argument is that Halle was chosen merely because she is the top black actress in Hollywood, despite looking nothing like the character (not even a little bit). Seeing that racial politics in Hollywood is a pretty big deal - especially in terms of black actresses and their absence from the silver screen - I don't see why bringing up the facts without taking any particular side would constitute as POV. It's not just a "fanboy" issue or a "God she sucks" issue. It's much deeper than that, especially since Storm is easily the most recognizable black superhero, and one of the most prominent female characters in Marvel comics.

As for Bassett and Gaye, they simply seem to be fan favorites (again, message boards) - Bassett since the beginning of time; Gaye since her Matrix performances. Nothing particularly noteworthy. PennyGWoods 04:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Fine, but what you put in there is commentary. We need to make it more encyclopedic and not sound like a fan essay, which is what it reads like. And it is POV in spots. Many consider Berry to be curvaceous, so making a statement that she is petite would be a POV. I'll edit it a bit. It's too long too. We don't need 3 paragraphs on this. It should match the rest of the section. --Woohookitty^(meow) 05:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I trimmed it quite a bit. I removed the part about criticism of the director of X-Men. If someone can come up with a citation for that, great. Otherwise, it's not needed. PennyGWoods, you said that the only source we could use for some of this stuff are fan sites or movie review sites. Then. We shouldn't mention it. verifiaibility and citing sources is very important. If it's not cited, then it's generally considered unusable for our purposes. --Woohookitty^(meow) 05:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

It's funny how you claim I wrote a "fan essay" but can't seem to tell me which side I'm on. That makes me chuckle. Nonetheless, while I couldn't care less about your opinion, I have no problem with the edit.

Furthermore, I don't think I was the person who brought up Bassett/Gaye (I may have; don't remember), and I certainly didn't add it back when I did the martial revert. In fact, I specifically noted that those additions were merely fan opinion and nothing more. PennyGWoods 06:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Please try to be civil. I said it reads like a fan essay. I didn't say you wrote a fan essay. And even if I said you did, it's not required that I say what "side" you are on. --Woohookitty^(meow) 07:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

You would've, had you been able to...which you can't, since...y'know. NPOV. Strange how you toss up all those Wiki policy tags when they never seem to apply. PennyGWoods 07:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I think I'd call saying you don't care what I think being incivil. And putting up unsourced material would be a violation of both WP:CITE and Verifiability. They all apply. I'm an admin with 25,000 edits. I'm not making this stuff up, Penny. --Woohookitty^(meow) 07:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't care if you're the queen of bloody England. If there is unsourced material, point it out to me and let's get it corrected. If there's not, you're just rambling for kicks and showing off your status. Now, which one is it? PennyGWoods 07:21, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I already removed the most blatantly unsourced material. I'd like to see a citation for her saying that she's reduced to playing a comic book character. What was there was a citation from a movie review. Not really appropriate. Has to be something else out there. --Woohookitty^(meow) 07:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

(typing very slowly) Halle Berry herself had to come out and correct this rumor in an interview, which was linked to. RUMORS tend to start on places like message boards and word of mouth. The reason why there is no direct link to any reputable sources is because...still with me?...it was a rumor. Yet it was a big enough rumor for Halle to have to defend. PennyGWoods 20:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Not sure why you are so condescending with me but I kind of wish you'd stop. It's incivil as heck. And it doesn't matter if it's a rumor or not. You should be able to find an article from a good source that mentions the rumor. That's good enough. Hopefully it's not the same article as the one where she denies the rumor, but if it is, so be it. --Woohookitty^(meow) 00:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Last I checked, you're the one taking potshots at me and trolling on my user page. This would stop if you'd cut it out, but then you couldn't flash your shiny admin badge, could you? So go into your admin panel and all of its shiny buttons and just ban me instead, because that's the only way you're going to get me to NOT take your crap. Of course, you could also just...y'know...leave me the hell alone, but that would take common sense.

And just to help you out, it's "uncivil", not "incivil". (You're welcome.) PennyGWoods 00:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)PennyGWoods 00:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

If you can cite a source that mentions the source of this rumor or whatever, go ahead. --Woohookitty^(meow) 00:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• typing even slower* THERE IS NO EFFING SOURCE. How many sources can you find to RUMORS? However, there is PROOF that the rumor bothered Halle so much that she chose to speak out on it, hence the linked interview in the article. You think Halle Berry would make that up herself? If you want a better source than an interview straight from Halle Berry, find it yourself. Google works just as well on your computer as it does mine. PennyGWoods 00:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Okey doke. --Woohookitty^(meow) 02:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, you two need to cool the hell off! This is not only very unhelpful and hostile, but is way off topic. This is supposed to be a discussion section about the third X-Men film and not your petty squabbling and insults to one another. Please get back on topic! Vgamer101 01:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Correction it's about Halle Berry and how she relates to the movie. My bad! Vgamer101 15:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Monster's Ball

Is there a reason why Monster's Ball isn't mentioned in the "Hollywood Career" section? Also, the note about the movie in the "Controversy" section seems to imply that she won the Academy award because she appeared nude in the movie. At the least the wording is clumsy.

Fixed. --Woohookitty^(meow) 08:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Controversy

I added a note that Hugh Jackman, who played Wolverine in the movies, is nearly a foot taller than his character and this hardly seems to draw controversy. Let me know if you have any objections.

--Amynewyork4248 04:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess that's ok. I'm still leery of that whole section just because it starts to veer into rumor territory which I'm always uneasy about. --Woohookitty^(meow) 06:42, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't really like the section either, but I think deleting the whole thing may raise an unneccesary hailstorm.

--Amynewyork4248 07:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

pfff

why don't famous peopol ,simply edit ther won articles and send a disent photo?

Pretty. --So Fresh and So Clean_Wish U Was Me 19:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Removed much of the Controversy section

I pared down the section on the X-Men movies because it was generally unsourced and a detailed description of why comics fans took issue with Berry isn't at all necessary for an encyclopedia article on her. I'm not even sure if that much content would be fitting for the articles on the X-Men movies themselves, honestly. I removed the paragraph on her comments regarding racial equality because the entire quote was unsourced and there was no indication of who regarded what she as controvercial or why. It struck me as fairly bland and uncontrovercial considering the issue she was discussing. Croctotheface 09:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed the nudity section because it was also unsourced and I fail to see the controversy, which is not explained. I reworked the sentence on Berry's feelings on playing Storm because there was an unsourced "quote" from her that, when I searched Google for it, only returned Wikipedia, mirrors, and maybe a half dozen forum posts, which seemed to get it from here as well. I wouldn't mind a citation from a REPUTABLE source that takes the opposite side from the hollywood.com page, but I'm not willing to go search it out. Croctotheface 09:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Controversy POV

Berry received much criticism from some African American's for her having received an Academy Award for her performance in Monster's Ball. Some claimed she had demeaned African American's by portraying a black woman having sex with a redneck racist. Berry paid little attention to the criticism, as did most critics. Given the success of Monster's Ball, the majority of the public seemed to have ignored the criticism also.

Waaaaaay too butt-kissy and weasel-wordish. The whole section is. The "controversy" has been completely eliminated and whitewashed, and that's ridiculous. Needs work. MagentaThompson 05:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

And I think it's way overblown and given too much space in the article as it is. This is not a fan site. --Woohookitty^(meow) 07:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Reverted section on Storm

This article is on Halle Berry. It is not about how tall Storm is in the comics. It is not about the relative heights of Storm, Berry, Wolverine, and Hugh Jackman. There's no need for Storm fanboy crticism to take up so much space in the article, especially as there isn't a source that shows that Berry's height or accent were even controvercial. As far as the "reduced to playing a comic book character" quote, I googled it when I initially pared down the section, and the only hits I got for the quoted phrase were Wikipedia, mirrors of Wikipedia, and one or two other sites that were discussing the matter based on the Wikipedia article. If there's no SOURCE, it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Croctotheface 02:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm with ya. I've been battling people over the controversy section (it's been a slow burn) for several months now. Just simply state the controversy and leave it at that. And yes, if it doesn't have a source, it shouldn't be here. --Woohookitty^(meow) 07:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Reverted back. It's always the same Halle fawners who want to ignore these things. But the fact is that a short, half-white woman playing a tall, fully African woman IS quite the issue. It's more about racial politics than anything else. The fact that nearly all the X-Men were so bastardized but Halle was the one raked over the flames is clear proof of that. It is not a mere "fans thought she wasn't quite Storm" issue. It is not a "fanboy" thing.

As for sources, the sheer laziness of some people is appalling. Just because you don't feel like looking doesn't mean they don't exist. The fact that Halle Berry had to clear the issue up herself is more than enough proof. It's been said before: the reason why you can't find the quote in question is because...still with me?...HALLE BERRY NEVER SAID IT. SHE NEVER SAID SHE WAS REDUCED TO PLAYING A COMIC BOOK CHARACTER. But she had to turn around and tell the press that because some people said she did, even swearing the saw it on (talk show of your choice). That's already been sourced in this article. What, exactly, is the conflict?

We have fanboys here, all right, but they're not the comic crowd. MagentaThompson 09:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)