Talk:Anime Expo

Updates

Replaced speculative elements of the previous revisions with factoids whose sources aren't so hard to cite. Things that could be added:

• Upload AX logo
• Upload a photo or two from AX
• Comprehensive list of AX guests of honor
• Attendance figure for each year's convention

--67.161.73.117 12:46, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

AX Logo

The Anime Expo Logo, and the Society of the Promotion of Japanese Animation Logo are copyrighted by their respective users. Without explicit consent, those logos may not be uploaded to the Wikipedia. --AllyUnion (talk) 1 July 2005 10:53 (UTC)

That would be trademarked, not copyrighted. Although look at other articles on corporations, trademarked corporate logos are shamelessly uploaded all the time.--67.180.209.147 9 July 2005 05:17 (UTC)

Why could they not be copyrighted as well as trademarked? -- Seitz 09:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I suppose you can copyright a logo, but a trademark offers stronger protection, so it's a moot point to do so. Would you like a crash course in intellectual property rights?--208.54.15.129 23:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I'm always happy to learn something new. I was thinking of comic book and cartoon characters, which are commonly copyrighted and trademarked. My understanding is that copyright and trademark each offer protections that the other does not. For example, I don't think a trademark would prevent the logo from being uploaded to Wikipedia, since the logo is not being used to imply that Wikipedia is a product or service of Anime Expo. However, a copyright might prevent Wikipedia from using the logo, unless it qualified under "fair use". -- Seitz 05:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, now that I think about it, the logo is already copyrighted. Works are now automatically copyrighted by default. They may not have registered the copyright, but it is still protected under copyright law. -- Seitz 04:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyrights apply to a specific instance of creation. So going by comic book character examples, you can't copyright a character. A story with a character in it, or even just an illustration with the character, can be copyrighted, but that does not apply to the concept of a character. Similaraly, you can't use copyright to protect all instances of a logo. That's where you have trademarks that protect the design and concept. Also, copyright and trademarks work differently. Yes, all works are implicitly protected by copyright. For a trademark, you need to put on the (tm) symbol next to your logo. However, that is a weak form of protection and is on weaker ground for defence in court. The better form of trademark is the registered trademarkt, which needs to be filed with the US Patent Office. Then, you can legally put on the (R) symbol. Now, while copyright is almost universal, trademarks need to be registered individually country by country. That means a logo that's printed with (R) in one country may not be legal to be printed that way in another country.--208.54.15.129 01:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe that AX has a Service Mark on the logo. This may have been upgraded to a TM, but I'm not aware of it. Daroldhiga 23:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

AnimeCon 91

The history section starts with Anime Expo 92 and makes no mention of Anime Con 91. I've been out of touch with California anime fandom for ages; are people still trying to forget that? Wyvern 03:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• AnimeCon '91 is not Anime Expo and was not run by the SPJA. It was a separate event that just happened to share a lot of the same staff. --PatrickD 16:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• • The political history of AX dictates that AnimeCon 91 and AX be considered separate. But there wasn't anything forgettable about AnimeCon, and it wasn't bad blood either. There wouldn't be AX without AnimeCon, so it has a place in AX history as a footnote. Short of spinning the yarn about a subjective memoir, that might as well be all to say about it.--208.54.15.129 23:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I added a mention of AnimeCon to the History section a few months ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anime_Expo&diff=53274225&oldid=49839605 -- Seitz 05:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

In terms of Anime Expo's political history, you could also footnote the splinters of Anime America and Pacific Media Expo.--208.54.95.1 16:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Side note: Userbox

I just made a userbox for AX for anyone who is a fan of the con:

This user has atteneded ANIMEExpo before and loved it!AX

十八 05:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Editorialized History, Error in Organizational Structure

As full disclosure, I have been involved with AnimeExpo and the SPJA since 1992. In any case, I am changing the HISTORY portion, since being the largest does not automatically mean "premeire" and this may be interpreted as editorialized content. It would be best for all if this page were more neutral and not inject value terms like "premeire." Also there is an error in the Organizational Structure. Chair position was compensated in 2005 and 2006. In 2005 Chair and two vice-charis were compensated. Not all officers in the SPJA are compensated, its more accurate to mention that the CEO and the CFO are compensated. Also it should be noted that most compensation is not a "full time" salary. The CEO and CFO in theory can live off of the salary, but it is not a wage that can in any way be called market-competitive given the titles or responsibilities. Should this be moved to a separate SPJA page? I will make a few changes here in any case, if someone moves it to an SPJA page that is fine with me.Daroldhiga 23:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Please start the SPJA article.--Outis 23:09, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I think I violated my own rule here, "far below" is editorializing on the salary. Will remove the word "far." Daroldhiga 16:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Attendance

Can you really attribute 40% growth purely to a change in management? I think this is not very responsible. I will edit it. If someone disagrees with me they can change it back, but even with the political reorganization that occured in the 2003-2004 period, I think this might be a bit disingenuous. Daroldhiga 23:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, using the official numbers from the AX website (I had to calculate this once myself, but the figures sound about right) there was an average annual growth of 25% prior to 2004. In addition, since 2004, the average growth was 32% then 21% in 2006, suggesting that attribution of this jump in attendance to a change in management is not good public discourse. I will make corrections on the page, but I justify it here, but do the math yourself:

#	percentage growth year to year	average growth to current year
1,750	N/A	N/A
1,693	-3.257142857	-3.257142857
2,057	21.50029533	9.121576238
2,138	3.937773456	7.393641978
2,918	36.48269411	14.66590501
3,826	31.11720356	17.95616472
4,883	27.62676424	19.56793131
6,400	31.06696703	21.2106507
9,700	51.5625	25.00463186
13,000	34.02061856	26.00640816
15,000	15.38461538	24.94422888
17,000	13.33333333	23.88869292
25,000	47.05882353	25.81953714
33,000	32	26.29495736
40,000	21.21212121	25.93189764

Daroldhiga 00:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Edited Table Daroldhiga 01:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC) Fixed error on Table Daroldhiga 01:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like to mention two things regarding attendance: 1) The more important value -- regular attendee growth -- is around 15%. As far as I know, this has remained constant longer than the up and down growth of all attendees (which includes exhibitors, industry, press, staff, etc.). The 2007 value will seem like no growth but the regular attendee level still went up 15%. (There were far less exhibitors.) 2) Since I oversaw Registration for two years (2006 and 2007), I have the data but I'm not sure if I should be posting data because that seems like self-referencing/self-publishing which is awkward. Even more awkward for me is having to wait until the AX site is updated in order to reference it.DrSlump (talk) 17:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Potential references

• Lillard, Kevin (2006). "Con Report: Anime Expo". Newtype USA. 5 (9): 99–101. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

Mike Tatsugawa and Anime Con

I'm interested to know why Mike Tatsugawa was written out of the history section. He certainly played an important enough role in the convention's creation and history. A page detailing his numerous endeavors has been created. I can understand how the PMX split is also a sore issue, but there's no debating it happened. Maybe if it can be written in a NPOV manner it can all be put back in. For the purposes of his own article, I simply said there was a "management dispute" and left it at that.

Also, Anime Con is certainly relevant, but probably not embedded in this article. I created one specifically for it and did a minor edit to this article to hyper link to it.

Kensuke Aida 12:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Man-Faye?!

Ugh. Does Man-Faye really need the additional exposure in this article? I have nothing personal against the guy, but it doesn't exactly seem NPOV to claim: "but one that has stood out was Man-Faye" in the sentence about cosplay at AX. I mean, honestly now. That's a matter of personal opinion and can distort people's views as to the type of cosplay that is more common at AX.

I'm trying to be fair and neutral about this. He has his own article on Wikipedia about him and his dispute with the SPJA, which is all good and fine. A link to that would be preferable if it needs to be included. Kensuke Aida 07:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

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Anime Expo → Anime Expo (event) — I've seen some people throw around the term "anime expo" to describe any of these "conventions". I request that this be moved to "Anime Expo (event)" and this redirect to anime convention with one of those "Anime Expo redirects here. For the anime convention named Anime Expo, see Anime Expo (event). I could have done this, but I just am wishing to see some consensus before we do this. Note, just like AFD discussions, I am not using this as a poll. I am using this for consensus. —ViperSnake151 00:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Oppose Every time I've seen the term "Anime Expo" used—note the caps, it is always in reference to the convention. I have not seen the term used in a different manner. And even if it was by a small minority, an appropriate hatnote would take care of the confusion. But moving this article to Anime Expo (event) will just add more confusion. --Farix (Talk) 01:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose, the term Anime Expo is not generally used in place of anime convention. I agree with Farix that a hat note would be more appropriate, as Anime Expo, with caps, is the most common usage of the term. AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. I've never seen it used except to refer to the convention by that name. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 08:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. Anime Expo is an event by default. I do not see any other referebce for "Anime Expo". KyuuA4 (talk) 17:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

I'll be adding a hatnote. ViperSnake151 02:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I've removed it because you have not demonstrated that it is really necessary. You need to first demonstrate that the term is being used differently other then referring to Anime Expo. Can you provide examples showing the term "anime expo" used in place of "anime con" or "anime convention"? --Farix (Talk) 17:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

A hatnote would seem to be fine either way. Hatnotes aren't very intrusive, are they? Dekimasuよ! 04:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Cosplayer image

I have removed the image of the cosplayer because it is an extremely poor image. It is very blurry and show very little detail. It looks like it was taken on a cellphone. We shouldn't be adding images just to be decorative, but that is exactly what this image is doing for the article, and even fails at that. --Farix (Talk) 01:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I removed it too. Kopf1988 (talk) 04:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

And Ucla90024 (talk · contribs) has restored it once again without engaging in a discussion or explaining why the image in necessary or what the image is suppose to be illustrating. All right, I've requested for additional input from WP:ANIME. --Farix (Talk) 15:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Image placement

Having the image on the left creates more far more white space between the infobox and the first section. It also disrupts the reading flow of the text since the eye naturally wants to follow a line down the left side, but the image indents the text and disrupts that line. By placing the image on the right, it fills in much of the white space and doesn't disrupts the flow of the text. That is why you never see profectional article place "interruptions" on the left or only in the first couple of lines. Ucla90024 (talk · contribs) is claiming that it creates white space between the lead and the TOC, but it does not. There is no more or less white space between the lead and TOC whether the image is on the left or right. Given Ucla90024's previous history on this article over a different image (see above), I suspect that he is not editing in good faith. --Farix (Talk) 00:38, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• That is not true. There are lot of white space when photo on the right side. You are not doing editing in good faith. You are very stubborn. Ucla90024 (talk) 19:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I clearly see more white space between the infobox and the first section when the photo is on the left, but there is no additional white space between the lead and the TOC when the photo is on the right. And given that you have removed the previous discussion above in violation of WP:TALK gives a good indication that you are not editing this article in good faith. --Farix (Talk) 20:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• • My monitor show lot of white space as well. Don't know what The Farix is talking about. 206.170.104.70 (talk) 23:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

What same size? 206.170.104.63 (talk) 23:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Cosplay Photo

Cosplay is an important element of the conventions. Thousands participated. Ucla90024 (talk) 02:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Good articles do have more pictures than we generally have on our anime convention articles, yes (furry convention even is a GA, but that's a more general scope). I agree with having a picture, but I'm not sure about the placement and I am against that picture. It's fuzzy. Plus there's a 'thing' in the bottom left corner. Here's a better example, and I could ask if it could be licensed under CC-Share-alike-Att. Thoughts? Kopf1988 (talk) 05:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

What part of the article is this image suppose to illustrate? The image was located in the history section, which mentions nothing about cosplay. While it may be a free-use image, it should still serve a purpose in illustrating the content of the article instead of being exhibitionist. If more images are to be added to this article, it should be images of events or actives occurring at the convention. --Farix (Talk) 11:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The so called "better example" picture has photographers in front at lower left corner. The placement was done so as not interfere with the info box. Since so many people participated in cosplay (not "majority" of attendees, less than 1/2 of the 44,000 attendees participated), it is an important part of the expo. Ucla90024 (talk) 15:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The example Kopf1988 is better in that it illustrates an activity at the convention, i.e. people taking photographs of cosplayers. The cosplay image you are attempting to include doesn't add anything to the article. And please stop stalking me around or you will be reported to an administrator. --Farix (Talk) 15:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Not that picture is better; he can post it if he wants. Stop taking off other's picture and insert your own narrow minded views. This is for everybody, not just your own view. Apply some common sense and be bold and let others participate. Stop stalking me since every time I posted, you deleted. You will be reported to an administrator. Ucla90024 (talk) 16:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I completely disagree and I've not been the only one who has in the past. The image doesn't illustrate anything in the article and is purely for decorative/exposition purposes. In fact, I see no grounds to add such images to the article at this point. The fact that people who attend the convention cosplay isn't something that is worth mentioning in the article. The convention's cosplay programing is worth mentioning, but the image doesn't illustrate that. --Farix (Talk) 17:04, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The image is not useful to the article at all. It is not specific to this conference only and adds nothing but decoration. Wikipedia is not here to be your personal image gallery. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

If based on your definition, half of photos in wikipedia are "decoration" and should be removed. As an example,what is the purpose of an old picture of a 2004 Anime Expo's exterior so useful? It just shows some people outside of some place, without any identification without any sign of AX. Have you been to this expo and know something about it? Don't know what your agenda is, just because the photo is not to your liking. Both of you have no journalism skill and are sick. Ucla90024 (talk) 18:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Please keep the personal attacks to yourself. Please comment on the content, not the editors. As for journalism skill, Wikipedia is not a news source and journalism skills are irrelevant here. If you want to practice journalism, I suggest going over to Wikinews or finding some other outlet. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to add that Wikipedia articles are not intended to be image galleries - that's what Wikimedia Commons is here for. We include only the types and quantities of images that would be of encyclopedic value to an article. If an image is not to be used for this article, that's okay; it can remain on Commons. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Discussion to avert Edit War

Recently there has been the beginnings of an edit war between two interested editors, both feeling that they are working in the best interest of the article. The content is as follows:

In 2009, various members of the SPJA requested a vote of no confidence against the Board of Directors and the new CEO due to "multiple internal issues". The letter is quoted saying "... could possibly have cost us the chance to put on AX2010 or an AX2010 that the attendees truly deserve" and calls into question the $8,400 spent in airline tickets by the new CEO in a visit to Japan, among other things.

This was to be placed in its own section at the end of the article before the references. In one removal, the summary read:

Reverted 1 edit by Zeno McDohl; Rv; not a controversy nor a reliable source. using TW

and in the second removal the summary read:

Reverted 1 edit by Zeno McDohl; Not based on a reliable source and WP:UNDUE. (TW)

Now that being said, the placement of the content does not fall under WP:UNDUE, IMHO. However, it may fall under removal under WP:NOTNEWS, unless it can be shown that significant coverage can be found regarding the event. Furthermore, it is my opinion that the information most likely would belong in the previously deleted stub article Society for the Promotion of Japanese Animation, or in the section Anime Expo#Organizational structure as a subsection, as well as a move of other conventions hosted by the Non-profit organization into subsection of that section. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:36, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

There is no edit war, as Zeno McDohl is the only one who has supported the content at this point, and it is not just between two editors. Further, he already started a discussion at Wikipedia:Help desk‎#Reliable source? in which he claims that both Farix and I reverted his addition because we somehow have a conflict of interest by falsely claiming we had both attended the convention at least once and that somehow made it a COI (for the record, neither of us has). He then claimed I had a COI because I made a post in 2005 to my personal blog giving my reactions to some the licensing announcements that year. As for the content itself, as noted in the other discussion, the source is clearly not a reliable source (a two man blog site), and is a clear WP:BLP violation without verification in an actual, high-quality reliable source as it is potentially defamatory towards the CEO. ZM's lack of editing history before this additional also makes his push for it and determination to discredit anyone who disagrees with it rather circumspect, IMHO.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:44, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I see. I created this section to avoid rounds of addition and reversion by the editor attempting to add the content. The actions of said editor, are as you said, questionable. Yet maintaining assumption of good faith, I was hoping that creating said discussion could lead to a consensus regarding inclusion or exclusion of the content, and give a chance for said editor to provide reliable source references regarding the supposed controversy to persuade us one way or another regarding possible inclusion. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:58, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The claimed source is based on a letter of unknown origin reported by an obscure self-published website that is barely a year old. The letter has not been picked up by any other anime news sources, including AnimeNewsNetwork.com, AnimeCons.com, or Mania.com, in the month that the letter was supposedly released. Since there is no way to verify the authenticity of the letter, it's contents shouldn't be included in the article pro forma. But even if the letter is authentic, this type of "con drama", unless reported by a reliable source like the ones mentioned above, has no place on Wikipedia. —Farix (t | c) 01:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

AnmaFinotera has shown she has no intention of a civil discussion. The initial edit I made was reverted without an attempt at discussing it, and when I brought it up on the Helpdesk looking for a neutral party, a "discussion" broke out there when she replied to me. I only made 2 edits which were reverted, and I did not continue in order to prevent an edit war and instead went to the Helpdesk. I have provided the only source I know of right now and I have no intention to continue discussing this with the way I've been attacked. I'll post any more sources here if I find them. --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 02:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Now you were the one that first attack AnmaFinotera and I with this statement, "I do not think 2 people who have a conflict of interest over this matter count."[1] When AnmaFinotera asked on what bases you were making your COI claim, you state, "You both have at the least attended the con,"[2] even though you had absolutely no evidence to back up your claim and it was quickly refuted by both of us. Up until then, AnmaFinotera has been very civil towards you and didn't question your motives behind the edits. But your followup comments clearly showed that you lacked good faith towards both AnmaFinotera and myself. This type of behavior indicates to us that you are simply attempting a POV push. As for starting a discussion, you need to read WP:BRD as it is incumbent on you to start a discussion about a reverted edit instead of either AnmaFinotera or I. —Farix (t | c) 02:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

You consider that an attack? Hoo boy... Regardless, it doesn't warrant attacking right back with things like "You are some no name nobody represented by pixels on a screen". --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 03:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Your comments were very much an ad hominem attack as you were deliberately trying to discredit both AnmaFinotera and I by claiming we had a conflict of interest based on no evidence whatsoever instead of explaining why Animenews.biz should be considered a reliable source. —Farix (t | c) 03:24, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

"I do not think" means it is what I think, not what I'm trying to prove. I didn't provide evidence initially for the COI I think you two have because I'm not here to prove that. If I was, I would have included that in my rv edit note and asked about what to do in the case of a COI on the Helpdesk instead of asking about valid sources. --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 03:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Those two love to disagree, don't they? 206.170.111.187 (talk) 21:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I have re-added this now that ANN confirms it. This should also confirm animenews.biz is a reliable source. --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 03:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

With all due respect, one story that ended up being true does not automatically turn a 2 man blog into a reliable source. I agree with both AnmaFinotera and Farix on this one. StryyderG (talk) 23:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Photo

• Thanks to Kisuka for posting the new picture, much better than the previous one. You have the good sense to change it. One man may say "not your call to make", but I disagree. Bband11th (talk) 03:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Copyvio?

I am asking if this image is copyvio. File:Anime-Expo-2009.jpg in wiki commons and G4TV Anime Expo coverage. I do not see any evidence that this image was released by its author. --KrebMarkt 20:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Good spotting. I've nominated the image for deletion at Commons as it violates Commons' ban on non free-use images. —Farix (t | c) 22:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Umm... I had permission to use it, but whatever, I'll just post a new one once AX2010 starts. Kisuka (talk) 19:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Spelling

• do=due? pubisher=publisher? Thanks for the correction. Also this "One of the main causes of the tension is SPJA's new CEO, Michael Lattanzio, decision to cancel the SPJA's contract with BAM! Marketing, Publicity, & Promotions, a public relations firm that provided services to the SPJA since 2004." is not grammatically correct. Who did it? Ucla90024 (talk) 17:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Attendance

• When "Lattanzio noted that this year's total through-the-doors attendance exceeded 100,000 (which should not be confused with actual passes sold). From a financial standpoint, Lattanzio said that numbers were up 15% from last year." How can it be down from last year? Through-the-doors means people in the convention center during the 4 days. Turnstile is the number of passes sold? Or did they actually count the people? Bband11th (talk) 21:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Michael Lattanzio

• What is going on? He said it was best Expo ever! Ucla90024 (talk) 05:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Photos

Can't believe some people think an old picture is better that a new one or no illustration is better. Can't understand "recent" objection at all. There are many articles with recent pictures. Just no common sense. It is interesting to note that Youtube has many videos and Flickr has lot of pictures of anime expo and cosplays. Ucla90024 (talk) 06:26, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Just because there are recent images shouldn't mean that it should be nearer to the top. Please read WP:RECENT.

Images needed are images of the 2002 AX held in New York, and the 2004 AX held in Los Angeles. Both are unique one offs of the ones held in California. Only problem that I have found is I have not found ones that can be used under the "fair use" criteria required by WikiPedia.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

additional citations for verification

55 citations apparently not enough. Maybe 100 will be adequate or the article should be as long as the list of citations? Ucla90024 (talk) 19:29, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Content not supported by inline reference can be removed per WP:BURDEN. If the content here is to remain, it should be supported by such references, otherwise it can be removed.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Separate SPJA page

With the Society for the Promotion of Japanese Animation's recent event additions (Project Anime, Anime Conji) as well as the scope and history of Anime Expo itself, I propose extracting information relating specifically to the SPJA to a new page devoted to the organization, its history, filing status, and governance. This is in the interest of avoiding repeated information about the SPJA, leadership, org structure, etc., when Anime Conji and Project Anime are added and expanded upon in the future. This page for Anime Expo can then remain focused on only the event's history, venue, guests, attendance, etc. While the precedent seems to have been set for major anime convention pages to have their parent organization's details married to the event page, it may need to be reevaluated for organizations that operate multiple events. Modernotaku (talk) 08:10, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

The question is does Anime Conji and SPJA pass WP:GNG, it appears that AC was declined, but if someone can argue that the subject is notable, than I don't see why both cannot have an article. SPJA would have to meet WP:ORG as well.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Here is an article primarily about for Anime Conji:

• Nina Garin (24 March 2011). "Anime lovers only". San Diego Union Tribune. Retrieved 13 November 2012.

However, it does not appear to be enough to pass WP:GNG.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Anime Conji

Noticed that there is no article or sub-section for Anime Conji which started as an independent anime convention, and later ran by SPJA. Should that be a stand-alone article, or a section of this article?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Cinefantastique Anime Conji 2011: It’s back, and this time it’s inter- and intra-personal and Anime News Network Anime Expo 2012 The Future of Anime Expo panel are the only other sources I know that could be useful. I'm not sure Conji has enough sourcing for an independent article yet, so a section would probably be best. Esw01407 (talk) 01:22, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Contract extension

Per press release: "Los Angeles Convention Center (LACC) is thrilled to announce that the venue will host Anime Expo (“AX”) for the next five years (through 2019)". Some people just don't under the meaning of "through 2019". Ucla90024 (talk) 19:31, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

You have misrepresented the source in multiple ways.

1. No dates listed, you have assumed that those are the dates. Official webpage does have the 2016 dates.
2. This is a press release, so it has the usual amount of sourcing issues.

Can you provide a reliable source that these are the dates for the convention? The only event that should be listed unless you can is 2016 as the official webpage has posted the date. It seems that this is a continuation of your sourcing issues User:Ucla90024, I've made every attempt to communicate with you and show good faith, but this could have to end up at administrators noticeboard. Esw01407 (talk) 20:35, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

• Ucla90024, please do not list exact dates for the upcoming conventions. Until AE announces the dates for the upcoming conventions you should not be posting these. Ideally you wouldn't list these at all since we don't have anything beyond the year and as such, listing these aren't really all that helpful. The thing is, while LACC has confirmed that they'll be holding the events AE has not confirmed dates. While it's likely that this will be held in early July, there is no guarantee of this and a look at the con's history shows this since some of the cons have been held in late June. (And if they keep the same schedule, this is likely what's going to happen for 2017 and 2018.) You might figure "what's the harm" but the harm here is that people pull information from Wikipedia on a pretty regular basis and proclaimed it official. What you've done here by listing July 1-4 for 2017 - 2019 is basically original research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. I don't want misinformation to spread because someone came on to Wikipedia and read something that, as of this point in time, is technically incorrect date-wise. The only thing that has been confirmed about AE is the years. At no point has AE actually confirmed any dates, which is an entirely different beast. I also need to point out that this could prove problematic with AE and it'd be entirely within their rights to complain to Wikipedia that we have the incorrect information. You may mean well, but this is still misinformation and it's doing Wikipedia and its readers a disservice. Please do not re-add these dates to the article, as the norm for Wikipedia is to only list the dates of an event when the exact date has been confirmed. No one is denying that the con has been extended. What they're objecting to is that you've taken it upon yourself to make up convention dates before the con itself has actually set them. Since we have no exact dates, there's no reason to add 2017-2019 to the table. This is turning into a revert war and if you do not stop you run a risk of being blocked. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:37, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

• I also note that you've been warned about this back in June. If you revert back to your edits I will very likely block you for a short period of time. You've already been given one warning so you're already well aware that edit warring is not acceptable. The press release does not give official dates for all of the years and should not be considered a guarantee that the cons for 2017 - 2019 will be held at these dates. In general you should not be adding any exact details unless you have a source that explicitly states that they will be attending. In this situation it would preferably be an official source like the con's website or a press release. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

• Since he's continued to re-add this despite specifically being asked not to - and he's not discussing this on the talk page, he's getting blocked for a short period of time. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:53, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

• Actually I'm indeffing given that he's been edit warring since 2008. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:24, 11 July 2015 (UTC)