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Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors with "In the news"

• Why are we using ‘wins’ instead of ‘is elected’ in the blurb on the US election (we used the same wording back in 2016 as well)? Such wordings are typically used for show elections in authoritarian countries.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  I wasn't sure exactly which wording was most accurate so I looked back at Biden's ITN, where we used "wins" and went with that. I wasn't sure how accurate it was to describe him as having been elected, when at this point it's just that major news orgs are calling the race. Sam Walton (talk) 11:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  FWIW, "wins" was used previously for Biden.[1] —Bagumba (talk) 12:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  At this time, "wins" is more correct than "elected" as he is only elected in early January when the electoral college votes are certified. --Masem (t) 13:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• US Senate Donald Trump (pictured) wins the United States presidential election and Republicans take control of the Senate.: The bolded presidential election link doesn't cover the Senate results. 2024 United States Senate elections should be included, but that page does not have updated sourced prose on the results. Recommend pulling the Senate results from the blurb until that page is improved.—Bagumba (talk) 12:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  Strictly speaking, the Republicans won't "take control of the Senate" until 3 January 2025. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 17:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  I noticed this too and agree with all the points that Bagumba makes. Note that the blurb now reads: "Donald Trump (pictured) wins the United States presidential election and Republicans are set to take control of the Senate." which makes the Senate bit sound even more tentative and inappropriate. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  It's not tentative at all. The results of the election will put Republicans in control of the Senate on 3 January 2025. That is as definite as election results can be. It's just that most of the world seems unfamiliar with the multimonth waiting periods for many American election results to go into effect. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 20:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  Be that as it may, none of the linked articles verify this and so the claim fails core policy. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Should this say "In the 2024 United States elections, Donald Trump.... " or some sort? The blurb seems to have no context, and the Senate mention seems awkward with context. Natg 19 (talk) 03:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

  No, we don't include election years ITN as it should be clear from context that we are talking about the present election. I can't quite understand the second part of your concern, Natg 19. Could you please clarify what you mean? Schwede66 03:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I suppose my 2nd concern is the same as the above ones, in that the wording for the Senate victory should include the election article for clarity. The current blurb doesn't flow well, as it is discussing two separate (but related) elections. Natg 19 (talk) 03:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I see. Can you (or anyone) make a specific suggestion what the blurb should be? Schwede66 03:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

My issue above is that 2024 United States Senate elections does not even meet WP:ITNQUALITY with a sufficient prose update covering the results. Perhaps it's IAR-worthy as a US election, but mentioning the Senate is treating the presidential blurb as a WP:COATRACK without the ITN norm of requiring the related Senate page be up to par before mentioning it in the blurb. My suggestion remains: Donald Trump (pictured) wins the United States presidential election and the Republican Party is set to take control of the Senate. —Bagumba (talk) 06:02, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I've removed the senate elections from the Trump blurb. Bagumba, as you are an admin, feel free to action these things yourself. When you edit the main page boldly, you sometimes get reverted, but that's life. Nobody will chop your head off, though. Give it a go, my friend. Schwede66 07:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@Schwede66: Admittedly, I lean more towards strength in numbers when it comes to fully-protected pages, and then moreso when broadly construing WP:INVOLVED. —Bagumba (talk) 07:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

Nov. 6, 2024 DYK states Vivian Stranders is a "British-born Jew" who became an officer in the SS ,,, nothing in the main article suggests this Nazi was born a Jew or ever practiced Judaism. This person was an officer in the RAF who became a German intelligence asset and then a German and a Nazi officer. Again, the DYK is wrong. Better might be DYK " Vivian Stranders was a British -born RAF officer who became a German spy and a Nazi officer." —68.129.185.93 (talk • contribs) 02:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I hope you won't mind I added an "a" before "German" in that suggestion. Art LaPella (talk) 03:02, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Per article "Stranders was Jewish and some of his SS colleagues suspected him of being a British spy." The ref 31 supporting has "Vivian Stranders, an Englishman who had served in the British Army [...] Astonishingly enough, this long-standing British member of the NSDAP and SS was also Jewish — a fact known to at least some of his colleagues" (no page numbers available) JennyOz (talk) 03:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "On this day"

Today's OTD

• The new entry for International Inuit Day should be bolded and maybe have its inaugural year added... however, it's a stub? JennyOz (talk) 03:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

  I've nuked it. If someone can expand it beyond stub level in the next 20 hours, please say so (here) and we can put it back. Schwede66 03:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Tomorrow's OTD

• Intersex Day of Remembrance should be bolded? JennyOz (talk) 04:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• 1932 – The Australian military withdrew from their "war against emus" in - Emu War appeared at OTD last week, on November 2. JennyOz (talk) 04:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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No more cricket, Please!!

i am sure that england is biased towards cricket as when england won the cricket world cup, a competition not remotely cared about in most countries, especially america and other western european countries. the whole team recieved awards from the queen. however when liverpool won the europeaan champions league non of them recieved medals from the queen when it is the most prestigous sporting event in europe, and reveared throughout the world. and to do it in the manner in which they did was all the more impressive. however, the main reason i dnt favour cricket as much as other sports is because they are not athletes, they are like snooker players- skill but not athletisism, which is why i respact rugby, football, and other real sports far more than cricket.

When did England win the World Cup? Maquahuitl 04:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Cricket is an interesting sport but takes skill and talent, i dont think the discussion

I agree that Cricket does not demand too much of athletic abilities but that's because endurance is not a question in the game. However to compare cricket players with snooker players is idiocy. Cricket has its own fitness requirements. Maquahuitl 04:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Cricket is not the most "physical" of sports, but to argue it does not require athleticism is ridiculous. The average man plucked off the street to play in a Test match batting and bowling would end up exhausted and with concussion. 10:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

For the idiotic Americans, America is the world and what they don't see in America does not exist. Maquahuitl 04:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that there are quite a few articles (too many!) and references to cricket of late in the main page. Cricket is a sport popular in just a handful of countries...It looks like a bias to me, really. Perhaps what I am saying makes no sense, but it is my impression. vaceituno 00:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you "bowl" a ball at 100mph or 160kph without bending and then straightening your arm like a javelin thrower. An unfit player cannot preform to the levels that a fit player can perform; a lack of fitness will sap him over a long period in the field. Grumpygrumpy 00:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

This is no more a bias than if we had a main page article on the FIFA World Cup during that event. The Cricket World Cup is taking place as I type. Whilst certainly not popular in all countries, it is definitely an international competition and is, in fact, popular in most Commonwealth and former Commonwealth nations. Brown168 07:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of whether Cricket gets too many references, it deserves one today, the start of the world cup is an important event for the sport, and therefore hundreds of millions in South Asia and many elsewhere. Shane1

The articles that are chosen are Feature articles, which means we rate them as the absolute best on Wikipedia. It is not our fault that the cricket-editing Wikipedians want to write superb articles on what they enjoy. If you want other sports or other topics to dominate the main page, I suppose you should start contributing to some FAs or Did you knows! Gizza^{Chat ©} 10:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

How did this end up here anyway? It's a new post but it's neither at the very top (which is wrong but people do it occasionally) nor at the very bottom. In any case, as others have pointed out Cricket World Cup is a featured article so there was never any reason not have it on the main page and this is a good time to have it so why not? It may reduce the demands to mentioning the opening in the world cup too. Nil Einne 18:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

That argument gives far greater justification for preventing baseball and American football articles from being featured on the Main Page. As it happens, this World Cup has a global audience estimated at 2 BILLION. Yes, we know that not many of them happen to live in America. There were >600,000 bums on seats at the 2003 event. That's a lot of people. --Dweller 19:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

There must be quite a few supporters in North America as Canada even have a team in the world cup this time! I agree with others though I have not noticed any cricket bias, there have been a few front page articles on it over the past year or so but considering it is one of the most popular worldwide sports, this isn't surprising and there hasn't been any more articles than on other sports of similar popularity (e.g. Soccer, Rugby & Hockey). Canderra 21:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

cricket must be given front page coverage. It the most popular sports and world cup ocurrs once in four year........

Cricket is a religion in these countries with billoins of followers..........

"There were >600,000 bums on seats at the 2003 event" Actually thats not a huge number for an international sports tournament, though the viewing figures (if they were known accurately) would be huge. In any case I haven't noticed any Cricket bias, though admittedly I am a fan. Perhaps Cricket is over represented relative to the global sport of football, but then we go back to the argument of whether English wikipedia is for native speakers (majority North American) or for anyone with a smidgin of English.

WP:CRIC carries a list of Cricket's 11 (current) Featured Articles and their appearances on the Main Page. Four have never appeared on the Main Page. Of the other seven, one was yesterday, the previous one was over a year ago and you have to go back to August 2005 for the one before that. (There was also a former FA that appeared in Feb '06) One or two per year (!) doesn't really seem excessive. Two per year is less than 0.6%. --Dweller 10:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't detect much of a bias towards cricket articles to be honest- these kind of debates crop up from time to time and seem to just be a natural aspect of the global Wikipedia family's workings....it may be easy however for American readers to not realise just quite how incredibly popular cricket is in e.g. India and Pakistan (=about 1/4 of the world's population, and a very significant anglophone audience) just as some non-American readers may underestimate the popularity of, for example, baseball and basketball in e.g. latin America/the Carib/Japan/Eastern Europe etc. This is the pre-eminent competition for one of the most popular sports on the planet (maybe #2 after football?)- not inherently inappropriate for the main page imho. But as always- if we want a greater diversity of articles, let's write more FAs. Badgerpatrol 11:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think anyone argues basketball's popularity. We do feel that American Football (esp. during Superbowl) gets too much coverage on Wikipedia. 203.199.213.67 06:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

To all the people arguing that "such and such a sport is more popular than this and that other sport", please understand that a subject's popularity plays NO direct part in being featured in any of the sections on the main page. (In fact there could be something said for featuring things that people generally know little about, but may find that they are interested in.) For a subject to appear in Today's Featured Article, it must first be edited up to Featured Article quality, then be selected for inclusion. Popularity plays no part there. For an item to be listed in In The News, it need only be of international interest, be a subject in the News Media, have a substantial article in Wikipedia that has been updated with the current concerns and contain more background encyclopedic information than a reader would normally find in a newspaper. Again nothing to do with how many people follow a sport. Anyone thinking of having a running scoreboard in ITN can put that out of their mind. Only the final result of any one competition can be displayed at the conclusion of the competition. --Monotonehell 11:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it is worth mentioning that cricket is highly popular in former English colonies and those countries have high percentages of English speaking people. Since this is the English Wikipedia, topics relating to English based subjects are more likely to be written about and therefore, have a higher chance of becoming featured articles. S. Randall 14:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

In North America, March is notoriously dead sports-wise, outside of the College basketball finals there's not much going on. Football is over and Baseball hasn't started yet. Surely there's enough room to talk about Cricket. I won't pretend I understand any of it but it seems to be a cool sport. Besides, Wikipedia is a place of learning, it can't hurt to learn about Cricket. Saebhiar Adishatz 00:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

England has not won the Cricket World Cup, they have won the football in 1966 and the rugby in 2003.

Believe it or not, very few people care about Liverpool winning some cup. There are MILLIONS of cricket fans throughout the world, who can attend a local or international match without resorting to violence. Begimogik 15:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

To deal with your points in turn- a) perhaps very few people in overall terms as a percentage of the global population, but for a sporting event it would not surprise me at all if viewing figures for e.g. the Champion's League Final (is that what you're referring to with "...some cup"?) and the cricket world cup final were comparable (or even if the football was ahead); b) that obviously isn't of any relevence, but it is only fair to point out that cricket also has its share of crowd problems from time to time (not as great as those of football, but then we are dealing with a far, far smaller overall fanbase and a completely different sort of game) and can at times be quite charged (e.g. India v Pakistan etc.). Badgerpatrol 02:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Football is very popular world over. And many people worldwide actually do care for Liverpool (and that's why they resort to violence).Aniket ray 02:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

No true football fan "resorts" to violence under any circumstance. Invariably, the animalistic thugs who are associated with football violence know or care little or nothing about the game itself. For interest, it seems from this (not the greatest source, I grant you!) that the Champion's League Final gets about 3.5 times as many viewers as the cricket world cup final (and the Superbowl seemingly gets more than either). Badgerpatrol 02:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Just to tick off the folks over at Conservapedia, I move that we move all of the Cricket-related articles over there. They'll just LOVE them! ;-) Dr. Cash 04:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Random Article within some Category?

I would love to be able to look at a random article in science/technology. Is there any way to do something like this? Vincecate 23:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, no! --Meno25 01:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

No no there is a way. I have already tried it out. Ill get back with the details Pozhan 09:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, you can click Special:Random until you get a science/technology article, or you can find an appropriate category page and click a link at random. Can't think of anything other than that – Qxz 13:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Now that you think of it, it would be nice when you click "random article", say a drop down list opened and you could click all articles or a particular section. -abynion08 11:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

it would be cool, but you would have to throw all of the millions(billions?) of articles into a category for each of them. 65.9.153.112 20:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

So what is this exactly??

It wouldn't hurt to ask Werdna to make this possible. · AO ^Talk 17:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Or anyone at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). --199.71.174.100 23:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Too much indian Biased

The Main page, in last few months have gone too Indian.Especially Today's Fa contains mostly Indian contents.Pl take a notice of this practice.Fa should be from all over the wikipedia not only related to single subject.User talk:Yousaf465

How'd we pull that off with all our US bias? Hoenstly, we should take pride: having so many different biases takes real work.

Jokes aside, Today's Featured Article will respect the articles that get to FA status. That will reflect the things people work on, which normally coincides with what they know about and/or are interested in. The best way to see articles on subjects you like is to work on improving those articles.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you that these one are Rated FA but at least these should be chosen from a range of Fa ones.I would suggest on each date specify a article Fa from each of the different fields.And related to different regions of world e.g. in first week of certain month article related to Africa will do, in next week Fa from Europe might do.On certain date a article from science on other a article on arts and so on and so froth.User talk:Yousaf465 04:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, FAs are there to reward hard work and good work. It's an incentive system. There are 59 Indian FAs and 1 Pakistani FA. It's not the fault of the Indians that they have great users like User:Nichalp, User:Rama's Arrow, User:Idleguy, User:Deeptrivia, User:Dineshkannambadi, User:Venu62, User:Dwaipayanc, User:Hemanshu, User:Pamri etc, etc, who wrote all these great articles are Indians. In any case only 5% of current FAs are Indian. On a pure population term perhaps one would expect 20% Indian material and 2-2.5% Pakistani. It's not the fault of India or any Wikipedians that Pakistani users have not been producing FAs....or that the fact that if you look in the recent WP:POST editions, I've not seen news of Pakistani contributors writing great articles, but on the other hand that the likes of User:Siddiqui, User:Szhaider, User:Unre4L and User:Nadirali were banned for disrupting history articles. Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan. Perhaps if they concentrated on work rather than battling it out, then there would be more Pakistani FAs. Boogaboohoo 05:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Note: This is User:Boogaboohoo's first edit. Gizza^{Chat ©} 06:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia allows people to create accounts for dealing with controversial issues, and Boogaboohoo was possibly an IP that just registered for an account. Gracenotes^T § 02:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Pl don't make everthing a conflict between Indo-Pakistan.I was just suggesteing to make it more diverse.User talk:Yousaf465

To be fair, the Indian Wikiproject is one of the most efficient projects around, many Indian articles are FA, GA or A-class, even those not rated are well-written. --Howard the Duck 06:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with that,but it doesn't mean every second Tya should be related to a certain project.It should be from different Projects there are hundreds of them.User talk:Yousaf465 06:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

There may be hundreds, but most aren't pumping out any FA's. Even still, the last Indian FA was three weeks ago. ShadowHalo 06:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

You are paranoid Yousaf. You are seeing Indians everywhere. A few weeks ago you said that DYK was promoting homosexuality. There is no way that there is going to be equal India main page content as Pakistan page content unless someone writes Pakistan content.Boogaboohoo 06:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, the FAs are chosen randomly from a list (although some ask their work to be posted at a certain date). If a Wikiproject has 0 FAs, it has no chance of its articles being added on the Main Page. --Howard the Duck 06:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Boog pl don't make it a Indo-Pakistan conflict.What link do indians have with my last post.Are all of them teaching homosexuality? nor I'm saying that Pakistani project's Fa should also be displayed what I'm saying is pl choose Fa article from different project e.g. wikiprioject geopraphy might have many of them.User talk:Yousaf465 06:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

And Turkey was just featured this month... I'm really not seeing how two Indian-related FA's three weeks apart from each other is choosing too much from the same WikiProject. ShadowHalo 07:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The human brain is constructed in such a way that one of its functions is to make order from chaos. As a result people see bias everywhere on Wikipedia. If they notice something that tweaks their ire they claim bias. Except for some systemic bias, which is a result of statistics not discrimination, most claims of bias can be show to be complete rubbish if we go back and count the number of inclusions over a 12 month period. There is a little reverse discrimination in the case of centricism as US, Australian and other editors are "over represented" due to Internet availability in those places, but generally the answer to any perceived bias is to stop expending energy complaining and GO DO SOME WORK. --Monotonehell 08:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

See Apophenia Raul654 02:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I should remind people, especially Boogaboohoo of WP:NPA and WP:AGF. Yousaf never made any mention of Pakistan Nil Einne 11:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The india paikistan problem isn't really relevant here is it? Stormtalon 09:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC) 11:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Nil Einne and Stormalon were absolutely right I didn't mention anything about Pakistan.I was only saying that there is a large frequency comparatively large f. of India related articles on main page wikipedia is not a place to mention only content related to a single subject it should be from diverse fields.Mention some article related to japan other about Usa and next related to russia next something about any product's Fa which is used all over the world.So as to spread Knowledge about different things.User talk:Yousaf465

If you check Boogoboohoo's Special Contribs page, you will notice his first 2 edits are on this talk page. Since he has a profound knowledge of Wikipedia, he must have either been an anon before, or more likely a sock of a banned troll (User:Hkelkar?) To Yousuf, if you check the most recent two or three archives, you will notice someone complained about a high frequency of Australian related articles. Another day, someone said it was biased towards pop culture, such as TV shows and video games. Ideally, every country/topic should have an equal weighting but that can't happen if the articles are not up to the same standard. Gizza^{Chat ©} 11:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

While I agree it was inappropriate to bring up Pakistan, I also agree with most others that I can't see any particular bias here. The last FA on India was about 3 weeks ago. The last one before that was slightly under 3 weeks before the last one, and even then that one was on an 19th century Indian Muslim Sir Syed Ahmed Khan Bahadur so I would argue that's only nominally an Indian topic as it is relevant to Pakistan and Bangladesh too... Admitedly we did have Indian Standard time slightly over a week before that but there have been no more since the start of 2007. 4 articles (one of them only nominally Indian) in nearly 3 months (can't say for sure since we haven't decided for all of March yet) is hardly terrible bias. And as other's have pointed out, if there are a lot of people working on India-related FAs, we would expect a greater level of coverage, there's nothing that can be done except trying to make a greater diversity of FAs available. Also given their population size, it's perhaps only fair. Nil Einne 12:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Meh, all this talk of biased FA's I garantee that if someone sat down and hand picked the next years worth of FA's it would still have some sort of pattern. Thats the way randomness works, it has to include clusters.
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver And The Vandal Watchman 13:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree we should try to diversify the coverage of contents of wikipedia thus eliminating the question of "being Bias" thing.This will remove the misconception that do arises from this.The pop culture aurgment I think was correct as i also found a number of Pop culture article in the proposed list For January 2007.SO this should be diversified.User talk:Yousaf465

And that does happen. However if I were to give you 10 red apples and 2 green apples; then told you that you MUST eat one red apple, one green apple and one yellow apple a day; you would have problems wouldn't you? The point here, that has been made several times above, is people aren't producing as many (if any) alternate FAs to achieve this diversity. The only way this will change is if you and others start improving articles in areas you perceive to be under-represented. --Monotonehell 04:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes there is a massive Indian bias on Wikipedia. Look, there are 115 articles waiting to be on the main page. Out of that 12 of them are India-related! That's like 10%! Some of them are about Indian history that no-one knows about and that there is not much information about but the Indian editors still manage to dig up old books and write long and detailed articles about them and get them on the main page so that the whole world sees all this India-related stuff all the time and the rest of the world gets no mainpage-time. It's so biased!! 58.179.198.74 03:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I think this is the first time (or at least the first in awhile) I've seen someone complain about users improving the quality of articles. Note how 10% of the requests may be Indian, but we've only had four so far this year. That seems to show that Raul654 is doing a pretty good job. ShadowHalo 05:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Yousaf465, FAs are taken from different categories. Arts, geography, history , culture etc. Just because there happen to be India-related topics in those categories, doesn't mean we have to not feature them. The India-related workgroup produces at least 1 FA per month, so seeing one FA per month would be very consistent. Ideally the topics should be more regionally diverse, but to hit back at your points, would there be anyone to bring up topics to FA from other countries? =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Pakistanis need to improve their English and write better articles. Instead even the best Pakistani people on Wiki are interested in creating useless debates with script changes and trying to prove their political points on India-related articles instead of pursuing facts from neutral sources and improving their own articles.

Even a weaker and poorer country like Bangladesh has 7 featured articles out of which 4 are completely Bangladesh related(not related to both India and Bangladesh). Pakistan WP lists 5 featured articles out of which 4 are from pre-partition subcontinental history and therefore relate to both. Indo-Greek kingdom was written almost entirely by Indian authors yet they list it.Maquahuitl 08:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Again, I urge people to remember Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:No personal attacks. So far, Yousaf has never brought up Pakistan, other then to insist this is not an India-Pakistan issue whenever it is brought up. As such, it is highly inappropriate for editors to keep bringing up Pakistan in this discussion and especially for editors to attack Pakistani editors. Nil Einne 10:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Apologies for posting the views publicly. Sometimes there is no need to talk about inconspicuous truths. Maquahuitl 13:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

This section really needs a bullet. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 09:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

• The only way to stop bias to create and improve other articles. --Howard the Duck 09:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

A very warm thanks to Nil Einne for his support of me on this issue he correctly say that I was not discussing Pakisatnin this regard.User talk:Yousaf465 13:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

This whole bias thing is getting old. And by old, I mean really annoying. Pacific Coast Highway ^{{Kiss me! • I'm irish!}} 14:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Cricket is an interesting sport but takes skill and talent, i dont think the discussion of cricket is necessary. Isn't there more important things that should be discussed for example global warming!

Actually, Global warming was the TFA on June 21, 2006.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not particularly sure why this is coming up now, but we don't discuss things on wikipedia other then how to improve wikipedia (and it's articles). We do have featured articles on a great variety of things including cricket and global warming. Nil Einne 01:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia functions

What is the most complicated function that Wikipedia can perform? Ahadland 21:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Creating an encyclopaedia? You'll have to be more specific. --Cherry blossom tree 01:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Like whats the most complicated formulae it can produce, or the most complicated infobox —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ahadland1234 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

I still think my (removed) quine is better. 81.77.73.180 22:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

If you're talking about m:ParserFunctions, then... well, see that page for what they can do – Qxz 00:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

6 Nations

I was wondering wether the 6 nations final (won by France) should be included in the news. It is by no means a minor sporting event, and the Superball was included. Matt. P 22:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

You might want to discuss this at Template talk:In the news where it is more appropriate. Alternatively, you can propose it yourself at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. I'd have to say tho, I'm not particularly sure this is of sufficient international interest for ITN, especially as there was nothing particularly suprising about the result. The Superbowl often seems to be mentioned but I personally feel it shouldn't. The RWC this year definitely should be mentioned. Nil Einne 01:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

What the fuck is the "6 nations final"? (And please stop editing my question. Wikipedia is not censored.) 89.120.193.125 20:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

89.120.193.125, please be civil. There's no need to use bad language in these discussions here. Use the F-word only when it's appropriate, like when screaming at vandals. --199.71.174.100 21:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Even then don't. It just encourages vandals. Wikipedia may not be censored but as you said let's be civil at all times. --Monotonehell 16:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Try Six Nations Championship. Next time scroll to the box to your left, enter Six Nations (or 6 Nations, both work) and click "GO". You should end up at Six Nations from which you can go to Six Nations Championship. Alternatively, if you use www.google.com and search for "Six Nations" you should find useful results. Nil Einne 21:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Well its more important than the Superbowl but thats a discussion for another day, I am dissapointed it didn't make in the news, because i woukd make sure as hell the AFL Grandfinal or the Tri-nations final would get in. -- Librarianofages 21:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I was also extremely surprised the 6 nations result wasn't mentioned in the "in the news" section. Particularly as I've seen several other sporting events of less prominence mentioned. Canderra 21:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to point out that so far no one has actually properly proposed the Six Nations final result for ITN as I suggested above. While I personally am not sure it should go up I'm just one person. If people feel so strongly it does then you should go ahead and read the guidelines and propose it. You won't know until you try. The criteria is here BTW Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page Nil Einne 21:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

No need to bother with WP:ITN/C. The Six Nations should stay off ITN because it's not the top level competition in the sport of rugby, unlike the SuperBowl (/NFL postseason play), the top level competition in American football. Wait till October for 2007 Rugby World Cup, people. --199.71.174.100 21:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Forget Six Nations. Why isn't Cricket World Cup in the news? 58.178.129.251 08:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Because nobody won yet, although the death of the Pakistan coach might be included. --Howard the Duck 11:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This issue should be discussed at WP:ITN/C. Not here. --74.14.18.212 15:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate Headings

(Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Duplicate Headings)

I move the above as it's likely to require further discussion and should get the most appropriate attention there. Hope contributors don't mind Nil Einne 19:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

What happened...

to the tips on where else a user might want to go for assistance besides this talk page? On February 15, for example, under the "Main Page and beyond" box, there was a link to Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia, a server status page, and the important bullet point (in bold) "If you have an opinion, comment, question or are looking for help regarding Wikipedia in general, find the place where your post will get the most attention here. Just that last link alone would be helpful, I think. --zenohockey 01:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

We decided to take all that crap out because it made this page look daunting and overly complicated. 89.120.193.125 11:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

And because people just ignored it anyway. We "connected" this page with WP:ERRORS, as a compromise over a merge poll. ffm ✎talk 20:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Obscene pic @ uranium

Tried to undo, but failed. Please act quickly. Thanks. Murcielago 02:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Next time, report such problems at WP:ANI or WP:AIV for immediate assistance. Not here. --74.14.18.212 15:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Could you please be a little more polite when responding. Your reply comes off as quite antagonistic. Thanks Ahadland 00:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Antagonistic? Really? I'd never thought about that. I had no such intent, but perception counts. Sorry. I just wanted to give clear directions and be helpful. --74.13.130.64 04:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, here is where I found the initial report... as long as you report it somewhere visible, nobody cares. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 00:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Many viewers of this talk page lack the technical capacity to do much about serious vandalism. Reports at ANI or AIV will probably lead to better response from experienced admins who can provide more assistance. --74.13.130.64 04:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Bob Woolmer's death

_{moved to WP:ITN/C by ffm ✎talk on 16:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)}

Tabs for ITN?

Would it technically be possible to have tabs for the ITN section, to satisfy readers with seperate World / North America / South America / Africa and the Middle East / Asia / Europe feeds? See the new homepage for USA Today, which features "Headlines" and "News notes". -- Zanimum 18:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

There's separate pages for the regions in the ITN "back end" Portal:Current events, but they are for the most part woefully neglected. So you'd see some tabs stagnate for weeks while others moved past too quickly to be noticed. --Monotonehell 18:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that's a strong possibility, the neglect. But those pages are ultimately quite hidden, in my opinion at least, so there's little point in updating them for many people. I'm asking strictly about the technical aspects for now. Does the wiki software have the technical ability to do something like this? -- Zanimum 19:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

We could probably do it with CSS... ffm ✎talk 20:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Tabs are ridiculously difficult to use on wikis, along with several other complex CSS functions. For instance, a two tab system (tabs A and B) would require that when a user clicks to see B, B's display property would switch from none to block and A's display property would switch from block to none. (Actually the specific term block is unnecessary, if you simply clear the property (style.display='';) it will act just the same). This requires coding like onclick="document.getElementById('B').style.display='block';". From my experience, wikis deactivate coding like this, unless there is a provision somewhere for purposes like these. Zanimum, if you are seriously interested in creating some kind of tab system, I would suggest you do a trial somewhere deep within the encyclopedia instead of trying to get it here on the main page. There would be a lot of controversy getting it placed somewhere so highly visible because of browser compatibility and user confusion.. etc. One place where I've tried for quite a while to get a tabbed system working is {{Navigation tabs}}. If you look at the edit history, you'll see I've gotten quite frustrated trying out many approaches. -- drumguy8800 C T 05:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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