Talk:Stamford, Connecticut

{{editsemiprotected}} There has been an usually high amount of POV by 76.28.89.86 in regards to Stamford being a part of New England. Markvs88 (talk) 15:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Size of this article

This article is now 31 kilobytes long, but the recommended size of Wikipedia articles is 32 kilobytes. Before I took some information out, it was about 46 kilobytes. I summarized various sections and created three new articles (on Stamford's economy, history and arts & culture) which incorporate all the information that was here.Noroton 01:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Redirect

Shouldn't typing in "stamford, ct" redirect here? MC Dupree 03:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Ku Klux Klan

An anonymous person keeps trying to edit out the KKK part that I inserted a while back. Finally we've gotten a comment from that person, saying "this has nothing to do with the history of Stamford." I beg to differ. If Stamford had enough KKK members to organize a rally here (apparently the biggest in the state), then it's a dramatic and important part of the city's history and worth noting -- especially since a lot of people don't know about it. Sure it's embarassing. Too bad. I love Stamford, but loving it means accepting its past, warts and all. Anonymous person, please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia practices. You won't get anywhere trying to force your opinions on the rest of us.Noroton 03:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

A quote of Frank Rich altered

An anonymous contributor recently took a quote of FD Rich in the History/Downtown Redevelopment section and altered it. The quote had come from a New York Times article and was referenced so that anyone could go back to the Times article (still on the web and freely available to anyone). The change didn't appear to be malicious -- rather the contributor appeared to want to protect Rich from sounding wrongheaded or to make clearer what Rich wanted to say (to refer to Tresser Boulevard instead of perhaps all strets or all downtown streets as not being meant for pedestrian traffic).

This is egregious: Altering a statement is one thing, but you don't alter someone's words within a quote.

I actually have no problem with using proper editing to refine the meaning of the quote. I'll make a change to that effect in the wording because I think it would be more accurate. But let's not alter quotes, because it's a form of lying and it doesn't get us closer to accuracy, whatever the motivation.Noroton 13:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The quote's been altered again, anonymously again and again without comment. I changed it back AND WILL KEEP DOING SO.Noroton 21:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Movies filmed in Stamford

I saw the list that was recently added of movies filmed in Stamford. I am not sure there is a single film in the list that is well known. With that in mind, I propose that this section be removed. --rogerd 02:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

• I added the list. The Cardinal was directed by well-known director Otto Preminger, and St. John's Roman Catholic Church downtown is essentially unchanged from what it looked like inside when parts of the movie were filmed there. With DVD rentals available for so many movies nowadays (and the possibilities of renting obsure movies increasing) I think interest is heightened in all sorts of old movies. Besides,why remove items from a list simply because they're not well known? I think that's a good standard for whether Wikipedia should have an article about something, but the standard for a mere item on a list doesn't need to be that high. (But I'm relatively new and perhaps there's a Wikipedia standard, policy or tradition I'm unfamiliar with.) People in Stamford, who are likely to read that far down in the article, will find the list interesting, and they might go elsewhere to learn more about particular movies. The subject of what movies were made in a town often comes up in conversations in Stamford and elsewhere. I know the Stamford Advocate has done at least one story on all the movies that were made in the city, and I've heard The Cardinal come up in conversations with people in Stamford numerous times over the years, even though it was made more than 40 years ago. The fact that movies keep getting filmed in Fairfield County is another reason why the subject keeps coming up. And Connecticut's new tax incentives for films made in the state should keep that going. So I say, keep the list.Noroton 13:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Civil War (comics)

Should there be a mention at all of the fact that the current Marvel miniseries Civil War is a result of events that happened in Stamford? I know that it's fictional, but there could be a sentence or two. --Brand Eks

Great idea. Please add it.Noroton 03:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Parks and Recreation

When the municipal golf courses are such an integral part of the city's history and current culture, why would you remove reference from this section. The Stamford city website includes both courses as a part of the "parks and recreation" of the city. (Please see - http://www.ci.stamford.ct.us/ParksAndRecreation/default.htm) It only seems reasonable we would include the mention here. McAngeOK 02:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I have a feeling someone (I hope it wasn't me) did a revert and your golf courses paragraph was lost by mistake. I'm glad you put it back.Noroton 04:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Stamford crime rate

What is the basis for the statement that the "low crime rate has been attributed to effective policing and the fact that Stamford is wealthier and not as diverse as many cities of comparable size?" I wonder what evidence exists to support the supposition that crime is in part attributable to diversity. Also, according to the 2000 census Stamford is 30% minorities. Is this really so exceptionally low for a city over 100,000 that it would partly explain Stamford's exceptional rating as the safest 100,000+ city in America?

I'm not sure who wrote this, but I have my own comments about the crime section. Citation is needed for basically every sentence (or rather as a whole, it all looks like it came from the same report). Attributing the crime rate to efective policing and wealth without citation is speculation. Attibuting it to low diversity...leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Jakerforever 13:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Stamford Hospital - the only hospital in Stamford?

I was born in 1956 at St. Joseph hospital, and also had surgery there when I was 10. My family moved to the Midwest in 1968, so I don't know a lot about Stamford today. What happened to St. Joseph Hospital? I recall that in the 60s it was a full service hospital. --rogerd 22:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it closed down -- I think some time in the 1990s. Stamford Hospital took it over and eventually tore down the building and put up another one, called "Tully Health Care Center" where testing is done (and perhaps some minor operations, but no overnight stays).Noroton 00:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Zip Code 06903 is that wealthy? Cite it

Having lived in Stamford there are some really expensive places, probably even beyond North Stamford in Shippan and behind Cumming's Park, Dolphin Cove too.

Temperature

Climate is an important factor when describing a city. Anyone with good reliable data???

Population

According to a recent article in the Stamford Advocate: [1] the city is the third largest in Connecticut

Comics

Am I missing something or was the mention of Stamford (via Civil War) deleted? Lots42 22:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it was me who originally started putting information about that into the article. I got more information and added it until it was a pretty substantial paragraph, which I thought did justice to the topic, but seemed a little overlarge for this article. For that reason, I moved the whole thing to History of Stamford, Connecticut and put it in the 21st century section. Another motivation for doing it was to get rid of the "Trivia" or "Stamford in popular culture" sections, which Wikipedia is now discouraging (I forget the guideline or policy). Rather than have someone delete it according to policy or when I wasn't looking, I thought that was the best way to save it. I suppose we could put a sentence in the History section of this article, because I do think it's at least that noteworthy. Contemporary history is worth a little more emphasis than the rest in a main article. (I also moved mention about "The Office" television program into that same article.) Noroton 20:43, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the info. If anyone feels it is important, Stamford continues to be, technically, featured in the comics 'Avengers: The Iniative' is the title, I believe. A training camp for goverment sponsored superheros has been built in the site of the fictional explosion. Boy, that sentence makes little sense at all if viewed from the prespective of someone who hasn't read the comics. Lots42 01:17, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that information is worth a short sentence in the paragraph in the History of Stamford, Connecticut article.Noroton 02:55, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

See WP:TRIVIA. Actually, I think a little information about the comics series, "The Office" TV program and Stamford as a filming location could go in the top section to show an increasing fame for the city, so I think I'll add it there. That context shows it isn't trivia. Noroton 20:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I just added a short paragraph to the top section.Noroton 21:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Fire Department Controversy

Should there be mention of the current controversy between Keatley, Malloy, and the volunteer fire departments, either here or in Malloy's page? Minaker (talk) 21:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

We don't even have a government section on the page. There is a "Politics" section, but this seems kind of strange to drop it in there. We should have a government section, actually. But what would this controversy be worth? A couple of regular-sized sentences? Can it be adequately described in that length? I just don't see it. If we had a section describing the city government, then I think a couple of sentences on this would fit in well. Otherwise it'll just look strange, won't it? If we had an article on Stamford city government, then no question. Why not add a bit to the Malloy page? Noroton (talk) 22:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, I agree that it would be more appropriate for the Malloy article. However, although I think someone should add this, it shouldn't be me, since my take on the topic is too biased. Minaker (talk) 12:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Another possibility is a few lines at History of Stamford, Connecticut, but it's only worth a couple of lines there. There's been a recent story in The Advocate, which I'll clip and maybe write up something from, unless someone gets to it first. Keep in mind that a few sentences can't say much. If there were an article like Government and politics of Darien, Connecticut for Stamford, it could be given perhaps 2-3 paragraphs. Noroton (talk) 13:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

--58.222.241.210 (talk) 05:47, 9 March 2009 (UTC)hjjtyj l896

Chimpanzee

Does this current news event "chimpanzee mauls woman" really belong in here? Jeffcutter (talk) 03:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Someone seems to have vandalized the article with rampant chimpanzee references, especially in the History section. I will attempt to revert the changes back. Pressuredrop16 (talk) 04:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

New England?

What's with the insertions of all things New England and Boston onto ths page? Stamford is one of the last places that has anything at all to do with Boston or New England. I really wish that you Boston people would just stop it! Stamford is in metro NYC and you are just changing it around because you see TV shows being filmed out of there - due to it being in the NYC area - not Boston/New England. Lay off my place and stick to boston! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.89.86 (talk) 02:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Connecticut is part of New England. Stamford is part of Connecticut. QED. Markvs88 (talk) 15:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Go to Stamford city hall and say that. Stamford has nothing to do with New ENgland and it is all a part of the NYC metro region - without New England. The TV shows are there because it is in the NYC area and not because of New England. The city never represents itself as New England and it's polotics are from it's place in the NYC metro region perspective. You just watched a few TV shows and saw Stamford on them and wanted to put forth your agenda on this site because you hate the fact that CT is not down with New England.

You keep this up and I will make us offically declare no New England. I already got NY to change the road signs that used to say "New England" to say New Haven, CT or just CT. Yeah, that was me. You need to stick to MA and it's issues and stay out of the business of the NY/NJ/CT Tri-state area ok? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.89.86 (talk) 18:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

There's no reason it can't be in both areas. Part of the New York metro area extends into the New England region, i.e. they overlap. These are not mutually exclusive things. --Polaron | Talk 18:17, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. Thank you, Polaron. As for the rest, Mr. Anonymous... I suggest you read the Stamford website. [[2]], [[3]], [[4]]. Stamford most certainly is a part of CT and New England. Markvs88 (talk) 18:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

There IS a reason they should not be both - New England is no state and the NYC metro region does not extend into New England, it extends into CT. New England is no state, it is an old colonial territory term. The people of Boston with their love/hate relationship with NYC just wants to claim us so that they think they can have a connection with NYC. No part of CT is in a Boston or MA metro region and Stamford is 100% in the NYC region without ANY direction in another way. NYC is a metro region, New England is not.

Get your own region and stick with Boston if it's so great. I would suggest that you go to city meetings and THEN come back and tell me that Stamford is New England. On Stamford's page, all references to New England deal with it in a historical context. New England does not mean that one is in the Boston region and it does not mean that a so-called New England state are even in the same area or deals with each other. You clowns are taking this much too far. You people always start this. I don't go on a Boston article trying to tell you people what you should be. Stick to YOUR region and we will stick to ours. Since you have links: [5]

No one is claiming it is a state. New England is a well-defined geographical region. Being in New England doesn't mean it is also in the Boston metro area. New England is much larger than the Boston metro area. --Polaron | Talk 19:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

The "NYC Metro Area" is a state? That's an er... interesting POV you have there Mr. Anonymous. Further, "New England" includes five or six states and it's as valid a geographical term as "the South", "The Bible Belt"" etc. Markvs88 (talk) 19:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Who wrote that NYC metro was a state? NYC Metro IS a metro region that cannot be denied and apparently peoples from Boston want in any way that they can get in... "The Bible Belt" is a knickname and "the south" is a general term just as New England is. The south can mean anyone sound country or anystate south and west of Maryland. However, in the south, there are state who do not not consider some the south and some who are in the west, but want to be in the south - sound familiar?

I have learned that some peple in the south do not consider a state such as West Virginia to be the south because they sided with the Union. We in the north would call it the south. People in Virginia consider it the south - the WHOLE state, whil some in the north may accept it as the north. There is also the case of Texas where it considers itself the south, but many consider it the west. Likewise in the north, we have Philadelphia which is a major city and metro region, who want to be included in the NYC area. You have New Jersey which is split between New York City and Philly without an independent identity.

Then you have Boston, the lone major city before Canada. It is the first New England in the US and of course it fits, but New England has no real meaning, but it is synonomous with Boston/MA. Unlike NJ, people in New England, the Boston area specifically, want to reel in CT and keep it in it's "territoy" via the title of "New England" despite us having nothing o do with those areas except for a so-called name. CT in theory, should be split between NYC and a New England/Boston area, but people in Boston want ALL of CT to be New England which is why they post their propaganda on this site. The FACTS are: CT (not New England since it is not a state!!!) is a part of Metro NYC along with Northern NJ. Fact: Boston and Philly are not in the NYC metro region and are major cities who have their own metro regions. Fact: CT is considered New England by New Englanders, but it is hardly recognized in CT which is why these people feel so threatened. Since they are not from CT, I cannot allow these people to tell me what MY state is or how we should think. Mind your business and worry about making you areas more attractive. The NYC area is a nice place to visit and of course you people get jealous because all three states partake in the advatanges of being in the number metro region in America! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.89.86 (talk) 04:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Fact: you do not speak for over 3 million citizens of Connecticut, and you certainly don't speak for me. I propose a lock on this article, or on this ABuser. Markvs88 (talk) 14:13, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

You don't speak for me, but I do speak for about 20 million people in the NYC metro region! Top that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.89.86 (talk) 03:16, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Er, no. You speak for yourself. I don't need to "top" you. I could understand your wanting to include Stamford as part of the NYC metro region, since it is. It is also part of Connecticut, and New England, not to mention the United States, North America and the Western Hemisphere. The rest of your tirade about the "evils" of the Boston region are pointless. "Threatened"? "Propoganda"? Your conspiracy theories are silly, and as a CT resident and a member of the Connecticut Wikiproject I find them to not only be unfounded but also patenetly false. I'm not telling you how to think. Likewise, you cannot tell others nor rewrite facts to fit your own POV. Markvs88 (talk) 15:15, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

There is a point to this and it is to show that some people like to lump us into their region when New England is no state and if there are some who people like you claim are a part of you and time again we show that we are not - why do you insist? TV shows in CT did not come here because were are in New England, they came because we are in the MYC metro region. We have more going on TV wise than your capital city of Boston. There is also a large difference between a CT "resident" and a CT NATIVE... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.89.86 (talk) 04:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

That's your arguement? Television? I don't even own one. Stamford is in both regions, *no one* has ever disputed that. The same way I assume you do not dispute that Stamford is part of the United States et al. However, you've already been making these same, tired arguements on other pages ([[6]] look familiar?, Likewise, your attempts to brand me as a Bostonphile just further making you look absurd given your history of POV concerning Boston [[7]]. Why do I insist? Because you seem to have some sort of issue with New England, and I won't stand by while you make unconstructive edits. You must either CITE (with a reliable article) why your POV is correct or stop these edits. Markvs88 (talk) 14:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I have already cited more than enough to prove my point. It does not matter how many cites I have with people like you because you want to make us to be what you think we should be, which is New England at any cost. Now tell me, what does saying "Stamford is the 4th largest city in New England" have to do with CT or it's place within the NYC Tri-state area? Answer: nothing. It is all propaganda to just throw New England in there because you MA people do not like the fact that we are not "New Englandized" and people like you want to try your best to bring us down to your level, like Stamford would have something to do with Boston with the #1 city in the nation is right next door!

I know this, you cannot go to ever town in MA, RI, NH or ME and say that 'such and such' is the 'such and such' largest town in New England. It does not make sense and it has no meaning. You can say that Boston is the largest city in New England - it might sound good to make Boston appear larger than what it is, but it has no meaning as nothing else is going on in New England! If you have an undying love for Boston - move there! Coming here to spread propaganda does not work buddy. You too will soon catch the speel of being so close to NYC that yu will soon see why we do not care about Boston - besides the fact that it is like 4 hours away! Let us be ourselves. People like me watch people like you because I know your game and I won't let you play it. I have already done big things to stop people like you and I do not even want to tell you what my next step will be because that will put and end to this debate once and for all...