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"Date" in accident summary

In the infobox, is it really worth noting the date when the last survivors were rescued? The actual accident (or crash), which this article mainly is about, occurred on October 13 (although the initial survivors were fighting for their lives a couple of months), so I suggest removing "December 23". Hey Mid (contribs) 12:49, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The movie actually states the date. Was December 12th. Rescued December 22nd. 142.163.28.81 (talk) 07:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

needs attention

I want this get fixed up to be eligible for included in the Selected Anniversaries this year which is the 40th anniversary

"Crash" - Ground Collision Alarm

It is not believable, that a ground collision alarm sounded just before the crash. Terrain awareness and warning systems initial development took place in 1971 or right after that. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrain_awareness_and_warning_system It is much more plausible, that it was a stall alarm, or some other alarm sounding.

In the article, this fact is attributed to source [4], which should be checked.

PLEASE REMOVE THE WORD CANNABLISM...ITS INACCURATE AND DISRESPECTFUL

These men did not kill anyone to eat. Scientifically its anthrophaghy...please for the love of science and truth and respect for the men who survived this remove that word. Cannablism is intentional killing for the act of eating... these men likend it to the taking of communion... and agreed to share their bodies in the event of their death so that some may live. Ive never heard such courageous stories of survival.. i would hope that i live my life with half the dignity these men have shown throughout their entire lives.. 2603:6010:C000:422A:6D5F:5D31:68E0:3D64 (talk) 01:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that this is a courageous story of survival. But with respect your definition of cannibalism is not correct:

Oxford Dictionary: "The practice of eating human flesh, normally either out of dire need or for ceremonial purposes."[1]
Merriam-Webster: "the usually ritualistic eating of human flesh by a human being"[2]
Cambridge dictionary: "the eating of human flesh by another human being"[3]

On that basis I'd say the term "cannibalism" is a appropriately used. They ate human flesh from dead passengers, out of dire need. No credible source suggests they deliberately killed people to eat, and neither does this article make that claim. -- Euryalus (talk) 04:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image of the survivors being rescued

Please add the image of the survivors being rescued to the article!

See: AVIATION SAFETY NETWORK - Photo of Fairchild FH-227D T-571

At: https://aviation-safety.net/photo/6095/Fairchild-FH-227D-T-571

Note: This photo is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 License so OK for use by Wikipedia.

Thanks! :-)

181.92.162.185 (talk) 03:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP policy prohibits use of images with credits. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 23:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The image is licensed under: "CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 DEED - Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported" and may therefore be edited to remove the credits from the image as long as the credits are preserved in the image caption or perhaps even only in the image repository.

See: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/#ref-indicate-changes

Also a similar image is already in Wikimedia Commons, see:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/kk/5/5e/Resquie_andes.jpg

or:

https://kk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%82:Resquie_andes.jpg

English translation, see: https://kk-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%82:Resquie_andes.jpg?_x_tr_sl=kk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Thanks! 181.91.16.243 (talk) 00:31, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect elevation data in flight/ crash description

the section,"high mountains with peaks of 25,000 to 26,000 feet (7,600 to 7,900 m) were almost at the limit of the FH-227D's maximum operational ceiling of 28,000 feet (8,500 m)" has incorrect data. The highest mountain in South America is Aconcagua, at 6980m, so these referenced peak heights are wrong. 37.10.74.188 (talk) 23:50, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, thanks. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 20:55, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miles trekked 38 or 24?

In the first part of the article it is said they trekked 38 miles (61km) but later on in the description of the picture is is said 38km. Which one is correct? 93.42.65.62 (talk) 14:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was discussed a while back at § Distance walked?, but I agree it needs to be clarified again or still. –CWenger (^ • @) 02:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can’t edit but body text survivors is wrong

Hi, 2 people can't trek out and then return to a remaining 16 survivors when there were only 16 survivors in total. Can someone correct (it is the final bit of the introduction). Not sure if it is at the end too - forgot to look. All the best. Martinsnos (talk) 20:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed to 14. –CWenger (^ • @) 22:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I may. Gustavo Zerbino in the list of survivors is not listed as a rugby player, but his Wikipedia page says he was. 93.42.71.114 (talk) 09:16, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. –CWenger (^ • @) 15:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia section needs rewrite

Re: MOS:TRIVIA, this section needs a re-write, as well as sources for WP:RS.-Classicfilms (talk) 20:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References in popular culture

In addition, the event has received mentions in many other works.

Books

Stephen King (1977). The Shining. King references the crash in his book set at an isolated hotel in the Rocky Mountains during its harsh winter months. Wendy develops a fear of the hotel's elevator, specifically of being trapped inside with no one else around to save them, and Jack Torrance speculates that "she could see them growing thinner and weaker, starving to death. Or perhaps dining on each other the way those rugby players had."

Television

The incident is mentioned in the 1978 survival film Cyclone.
The The Simpsons episode "Fear of Flying" features Homer Simpson renting the 1993 film adaptation, as well as Hero and Fearless.
The incident is mentioned in a 2011 horror film The Divide.
The Rick and Morty episode "The Vat of Acid Episode" parodies the events of the crash and the subsequent survival efforts. The number 571 can be seen on the side of the plane.
In the Rocko's Modern Life episode "Tickled Pinky", Rocko is listing several dangerous activities he and Pinky have engaged in. The last item on the list is "flying over The Andes with a Brazilian soccer team".
The incident was the basis for the Showtime series Yellowjackets.
The 2021 Bengali web series Robindronath Ekhane Kawkhono Khete Aashenni loosely portrays the incident.
The incident is mentioned in the HBO limited series Station Eleven. Episode 7, "Goodbye My Damaged Home".
The incident is mentioned in the Psych episode "High Top Fade-Out."

Music

Thomas Dolby's debut LP, The Golden Age of Wireless, contained the instrumental "The Wreck of the Fairchild", loosely based on the incident. This was excised from the first US release but restored on the 2009 remastered collector's edition CD.
Miracle in the Andes, composed and created by musician Adam Young, is a musical score comprising 10 tracks that tell the story of the Andes flight disaster through song.^[1]
Punk band GBH included a graphic account of the experiences of the passengers on the Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 in their song "Passenger on the Menu" (1982).^[2]
The event is referenced in the song "The Plot Sickens", by the American metalcore band Ice Nine Kills, which appears on their 2015 album Every Trick in the Book.^[3]
There is a song titled "Snowcapped Andes Crash" in Melody's Echo Chamber's self-titled 2012 album.

^ "Miracle in the Andes". Adam Young Scores. Archived from the original on 11 October 2018. Retrieved 11 October 2018.
^ "Passenger on the Menu". Genius. Archived from the original on 11 October 2018. Retrieved 11 October 2018.
^ "The stories behind Ice Nine Kills' Every Trick In The Book album". Metal Hammer. Louder Sound. 4 November 2016. Archived from the original on 19 March 2022. Retrieved 11 October 2018.

Classicfilms (talk) 20:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elevation of the wreckage/fuselage?

As of 2024-07-13, the article says the fuselage came to rest at "3,570 metres (11,710 ft)", and the nearest citation is several sentences later. The citation is Claudio Caputti (2012), which actually gives a different elevation/altitude for the fuselage, it says "3675 mts snm", i.e. 3,675 metros (meters) sobre el nivel del mar (snm). It gives this number twice. A December 1972 NYT article also seems to use this slightly higher number. The source for Caputti and the NYT seem to be the Argentine military, but it's not entirely clear. I can't actually find a reliable source saying "3,570 meters", but this figure is repeated very frequently on the internet without a source cited. I'm tempted to change the altitude to match the only citation on that paragraph, but I'm reluctant because the lower number is more prevalent across the web. Fluoborate (talk) 21:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article already references an article "NG (National Geographic) Expedition I" by Peña and Vlahos that seems to have taken place in 2005. They started with maps from survivors and Chilean and Argentine authorities, then they actually explored the route. They implicitly brought along a GPS device, and they report the elevations along the way. They found the fuselage at 12,020 feet, which is 3,664 meters. This is quite close to the other reported altitude.

The citation for NG Expedition I is a mess, I should add the cite-web template. This is a note to myself or any other editor if I don't get around to it. Fluoborate (talk) 22:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nando Parrado's book says "12,000 feet", so I'm going to start editing the article in places where it 100% does not cite the altitude in the text, or where the citation doesn't match the figure in this article. Fluoborate (talk) 13:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Miracle in the Andes". Adam Young Scores. Archived from the original on 11 October 2018. Retrieved 11 October 2018.

[2] "Passenger on the Menu". Genius. Archived from the original on 11 October 2018. Retrieved 11 October 2018.

[3] "The stories behind Ice Nine Kills' Every Trick In The Book album". Metal Hammer. Louder Sound. 4 November 2016. Archived from the original on 19 March 2022. Retrieved 11 October 2018.

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