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Al Ahli hospital blast coverage:

2023.10.17 JTA: Israeli military says Palestinian rocket struck Gaza hospital where hundreds were reportedly killed

Jpost: "International editor of the BBC Jeremy Bowen was interviewed for one of the corporation's news programs and admitted that he made a mistake in the coverage surrounding the incident in which an explosion occurred at Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza which he directly blamed Israel. However, the veteran journalist stated that he does not regret it. (...) "That was my conclusion from looking at the pictures and I was wrong, but I don't feel bad in particular, this was only the conclusion I drew."

2023.10.17 https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/17/world/middleeast/the-gaza-hospital-where-hundreds-were-reported-killed-is-a-mainstay-for-palestinians.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/17/world/middleeast/islamic-jihad-gaza-hospital-israel.html

BBC retraction: https://www.bbc.co.uk/helpandfeedback/corrections_clarifications/archive-2023 We have reviewed our coverage of the immediate aftermath of an explosion at the Al-Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza City on Tuesday night. During this our correspondent was giving instant analysis on the ground from Jerusalem in what was a confusing and difficult story. The programme repeatedly made it clear that it had yet to verify who was behind the blast, including in the questioning by the presenter. The correspondent said that the Israelis had been contacted and were investigating, adding “It’s hard to see what else this could be really given the size of the explosion other than an Israeli air strike or several air strikes”. He then explained that in his experience as a reporter in Gaza that he had never seen explosions of this scale caused by rockets being fired out of the territory. He again stressed that the pictures had yet to be verified. We accept that even in this fast-moving situation it was wrong to speculate in this way about the possible causes and we apologise for this, although he did not at any point report that it was an Israeli strike. This doesn’t represent the entirety of the BBC’s output and anyone watching, listening to or reading our coverage can see we have set out both sides’ competing claims about the explosion, clearly showing who is saying them, and what we do or don’t know.

2023.10.18: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-explained.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/world/middleeast/biden-israel-gaza-hospital.html

2023.10.19

2023.10.23 https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/podcasts/headlines-gaza-hospital-coverage.html

2023.10.23

TOI: "The following morning, footage of the site quickly led many observers to note that the lack of a large crater and the lack of structural damage to nearby buildings made it highly unlikely it had been an airstrike."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/bbc-admits-mistakes-in-coverage-of-gaza-hospital-blast-still-wont-call-hamas-terrorists/

2023.10.24: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/us/politics/intel-rocket-gaza-hospital-blast.html

"A widely-cited missile video does not shed light on what happened"

2023.10.26 BBC "Gaza hospital blast: what does new analysis tell us?

2023.11.03 NYT: "This episode doesn’t mean that Gazan officials always mislead or that Israeli officials always tell the truth. Even in this case, for example, Israeli officials have cited video evidence that Times reporting suggests does not support their argument. Both sides deserve continued scrutiny. But the hospital explosion offers reason to apply particular skepticism to Hamas’s claims about civilian deaths — which are an undeniable problem in this war. Hamas’s record on the war’s most closely watched incident does not look good."

2023.10.26 BBC https://web.archive.org/web/20241004061310/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67216929 "Hamas told the New York Times that the missile had disintegrated beyond recognition. 'The missile has dissolved like salt in the water. It's vaporised. Nothing is left,' said Ghazi Hamad, a senior Hamas official. Experts have said it is extremely unusual for a blast site such as this not to yield debris of this kind."

"Open-source analysts including Oliver Alexander and Aric Toler and his team at the New York Times have cast doubt on whether the explosion in the sky shown in the Al Jazeera clip is related to the blast at the hospital."

"The hospital's car park contained more than a dozen burned-out cars, including one that had been overturned. There were damaged tiles, broken windows and shrapnel marks on surrounding hospital buildings but no visible structural damage."

2023.11.25

2024.02.29 https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-789617 "Hamas immediately blamed the blast, without evidence, on Israel, and it was in turn blamed on Israel by many media outlets, before overwhelming evidence emerged that a misfired Palestinian rocket was responsible."

Forensic Architecture: "Most FA members are trained in architecture, but really, what they produce is video art, insofar as they are constantly showing moving image works in museums" "In a 2017 Artforum essay titled “Real Fictions: Alternatives to Alternative Facts,” Hal Foster mentions FA (...) responds “to the near monopoly, on the part of corporations and governments, over what counts as real.” (...) Foster argued that, rather than positioning themselves as deconstructionists who merely challenge meanings once thought secure, these artists reconstruct significant facts: they combine artifice with documentary in order to dredge up truths that have been occluded." https://www.artnews.com/art-in-america/features/forensic-architecture-fake-news-1234661013/

Your text in the Noahidism article "These Zionist and Orthodox Rabbis (...) expound a racist and supremacist ideology which consists in the belief that the Jewish people are God's chosen nation and racially superior to non-Jews" is untrue and a subjective statement not found in all the sources cited. It needs to be presented as an opinion. You reverted an edit of mine which framed this in NPOV. The idea that Chosenness is a 'racist' or 'supremacist' concept is a common antisemitic trope. The Talmud says that G-d "stamped all people with the seal of Adam the first man, as all of them are his offspring, and not one of them is similar to another. Therefore, since all humanity descends from one person, each and every person is obligated to say: The world was created for me, as one person can be the source of all humanity, and recognize the significance of his actions." (Sanhedrin 37a) https://www.aish.com/atr/Chosen_People_Racist.html https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.37a?ven=William_Davidson_Edition_-_English&vhe=Wikisource_Talmud_Bavli&lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en Furthermore, if you focus on the organizations themselves, then certainly the most visible Zionist and Orthodox Jews doing outreach to Jews are in Chabad. Here is what they have to say on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfTZAamnwBE Here is Rabbi Sacks (ZTzL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qkrPPC9Ojw