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January 2024

Hello. Some of your recent genre changes have conflicted with our neutral point of view and/or verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you seek consensus for certain edits by discussing the matter on the article's talk page. Thank you. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 20:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Indie Soul

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A tag has been placed on Indie Soul requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about something invented/coined/discovered by the article's creator or someone they know personally, and it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time.

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Hi SOETERMANS, this is a very common style of music and term used to describe many artists in the genre. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/lindsay-lou-billy-strings-queen-of-time-1234919917/

https://rollingstoneindia.com/pune-band-fourth-lane-release-genre-bending-debut-ep-mood-swings/

https://everynoise.com/engenremap-indiesoul.html

https://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/the-200-best-albums-of-the-2010s/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N0KP00O/

As you can see from pitch fork, rolling stone, spotify, Reuters, etc etc. You should take a listen! Its great stuff. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 20:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• I can't access the Rolling Stone article, but the headline, "Lindsay Lou Is Poised to Be the Next Bluegrass Queen", doesn't suggests it is about indie soul
• The Rolling Stone India mentions it once, the subtitle of the header ("Pune Band Fourth Lane Release Genre-Bending Debut EP ‘Mood Swings’

The five-track record houses pop-rock, Celtic and indie soul music")

• Everynoise states "Every Noise at Once is an ongoing attempt at an algorithmically-generated, readability-adjusted scatter-plot of the musical genre-space, based on data tracked and analyzed for 6,291 genre-shaped distinctions by Spotify as of 2023-11-19." Generated by an algorithm, based upon Spotify.
• Pitchfork list says Chvrches' "On their debut album, Chvrches ushered in a new era of dance pop with an indie soul." Not about a genre, but it's used as an adjective to describe the type of dance pop
• The Reuters article on Sharon Jones of Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings mentions it once ("the sixth release from the indie soul group credited with reviving the genre a dozen years ago.") Reviving the genre of soul, and they happen to be an independent band, i.e., not signed to a major label.

None of these results actually discuss 'indie soul' as an independent, standalone musical genre. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 21:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey, Im not trying to get in an argument here, I just sent you a couple articles quickly in our side chat. An admin already removed the speedy deletion and you seem to have added it again. This is 100% a music genre did you not google it? I am not sure why this seems adversarial, that was not my intention at all. in https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/best-rb-albums-of-2016-so-far-170635/

Anderson Paak’s Malibu begins with his gospel-raised voice and, less frequently, a rambling rap style honed alongside subterranean crews like (the sadly defunct) Hellfyre Club; and then rambles across crate-digger beat loops and pimp-ish brags. His persona seems more rooted in indie hip-hop, at least for those unfamiliar with indie-soul predecessors like Sa-Ra Creative Partners Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Just a note that they did not add the speedy deletion template again; it is another template with a link to a deletion discussion here. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 21:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok this just feels like one of those situation of unintentional whiteism that someone can be arguing that a widely acknowledge genre of black culture doesnt exist. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 22:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Literally every music site, apple, amazon, spotify, radio has an "indie soul" it seems very weird that this you are pushing back about it? Am I missing something here? Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

https://www.pbs.org/show/indie-soul-journeys/ there's not only a feature film but a whole docuseries about it Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

And a festival. I mean I feel like this is a "the sky is blue" situation. https://www.nepm.org/regional-news/2021-08-18/springfields-indie-soul-festival-is-about-music-and-what-happens-between-songs Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Figuring out Wikipedia also includes learning to judge what are reliable sources. A passing mention in a best of 2016 album list does not help. Music streaming services like Spotify, Apple Music and Amazon algorithmically 'create' playlists and music stations. A PBS series that describes itself as "Indie Soul Journeys is a television music docuseries devoted to the personal inspirational and musical stories of independent soul, R&B, and urban alternative artists who are still following Black American Music traditions in the modern musical era." might definitely have the title 'indie soul', but again does not somehow mean it is its own musical genre. We go by reliable sources, like music critics and music magazines and websites. Indie, short for independent, doesn't automatically mean a particular sound or style. You brought up Sharon Jones and Anderson Paak. Can you find a source that suggests they make the same kind of music? soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 22:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Rolling stone, pitch fork, Reuters, PBS, NPR, Spotify, Apple, a multiple grammy winners who call themselves indie-soul https://rxmusic.com/editorial/kameron-corvet-finds-his-authentic-voice-through-his-latest-release/ "indie soul music scene" My guy. You are really off base here. There isn't even a question wether or not indie soul exists this is crazy that you think this is controversial. It is clear that you are not aware of a rather large diverse community and you are trying to deny a part of black culture on the internet because someone had the audacity to start a wikipedia page about a topic you clearly don't know about. Which is the point of wikipedia. There is zero percent that should be controversial here. It doesnt matter that 10 articles said Indie soul once. That is all thats necessary in a review for a competent writer. You don't read a rock article in which they say they are a rock artist 10 times. That is a completely illegitimate commentary. I'm not going to find a rock writer comparing Pink Floyd to Foo Fighters but they both play rock don't they. Completely illegitimate. In 10 sec I provided you 10 quick articles, movies, and media that all reference indie-soul genre and its community. I didn't add them to the page as citation. I gave them to you. In "private" I think that you should step back and reflect on whats going on here. Racial bias on Wikipedia. I told you that I will properly reference on the page. Providing you with some quick examples in a friendly way was not about properly citing, it was about kindly informing. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 22:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

From His own concerts page.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

How many concerts has Anderson .Paak had?

Anderson .Paak has had 441 concerts.

What genre is Anderson .Paak?

Anderson .Paak is most often considered to be Hip Hop, Alternative, Soul, R&B, Contemporary R&B, Neo Soul, Alternative Hip Hop, Indie Soul, and Escape Room. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 22:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

You aren't wrong brother. I think it was presumptuous. Don't forget to more thoroughly finish sourcing an article before publishing and make use of draft. Indie soul is clearly a music genre but you didn't do a great job upfront of sourcing and polishing. Therealdingo1 (talk) 04:02, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Look. It certainly can exist as a genre, but that is not an argument for keeping an article. What is argued in deletion discussions is the existence of independent reliable sources that talk about the genre in detail - not just passing mentions. See WP:GNG. The PBS source looks promising, though I can't access it. The NEPM source seems to give more details on the festival than the genre itself. Spotify and Apple Music categories aren't really considered for notability requirements; do the websites detail in text what indie soul is? The rest of the sources seem like passing mentions.

So what I'd recommend doing in order to save the article is present WP:THREE reliable sources at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indie soul that don't just quickly mention "indie soul" as part of one's music style - they should talk about that genre in much more detail. (Two high-quality sources would be technically enough, since the GNG says "multiple", but presenting three of them is more convincing.) I see that you've included a lot more sources in the article, but that makes it more difficult to separate between which of them actually talk about the genre in good detail, and which of them just throw one or two facts that happen to involve indie soul. See WP:BOMBARD (someone already mentioned this link in the discussion). ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 07:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Im just quite confused right now as to how there is question or disagreement over a music style that if you google has 100's of articles in which major artist say "I am an indie-soul artists" from every publication that covers music. As far as specific just explaining indie soul.

1. [Undeniable - The Story Independent Soul Music Movement]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy8QF0q82Lk (which spawned a tv series with PBS focused on individual artists [Indie Soul Journey]https://www.netaonline.org/episode/indie-soul-journeys [Undeniable director brings TV project]https://rollingout.com/2017/01/25/undeniable-director-brings-latest-project-indie-soul-journeys-television/)

2. [Essential Guide to Contemporary RnB Soul Music]https://thebluesproject.co/2023/05/essential-guide-contemporary-rnb-soul-music/

3. [How Indie Soul became a multibillion dollar genre of music]https://www.deezer.com/us/episode/277717612?utm_campaign=clipboard-generic&utm_source=user_sharing&utm_content=talk_episode-277717612&deferredFl=1

4. A google search for "indie-soul artist" which will generate 100's and 100's of articles by Rolling Stone, Fader, Billboard, Reuters, PBS, Music Blogs about song/album/artists who clearly state they are indie-soul genre including dozens of grammy nominees and winners. The 10,000+ playlists named indie soul on whichever music streamer you use.

5. Is there a way I can provide you text book notations? Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 10:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

1. The "Indie Soul Journeys" series seems to be factual, detailed about the genre and distributed by reliable outlet PBS. Although I don't have access to it, it is likely a good indicator of notability.

2. Has a paragrapgh about the genre. It is quite brief (doesn't pass WP:100WORDS), on a relatively small part of the article. (100WORDS is not a policy or guideline, just a likely indicator.) Not really good enough for notability.

3. It's a podcast episode, which is self-published, therefore very likely unreliable. The podcast doesn't appear to be well-known.

4. Google hits are not a guarantee of notability in Wikipedia. Again, mentions from Rolling Stone and such do not mean they're covering it in detail. Blogs are considered unreliable. As WP:GOOGLEHITS says it best, the quality of the search engine results matters more than the raw number.

5. You can place comments with small portions of text from books at the deletion discussion page to indicate that certain books provide details about the genre. If you post there, more people will be able to access the excerpts to conclude whether the books can be indicators of notability. Don't send too much.

All in all, your correct assertions that reliable sources note that the genre exists - and the lack of reliable published detail about the genre other than from a single series - makes me think whether the article should be merged and redirected to some other appropriate article. If you provide other one or two detailed reliable sources, the article can survive. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 11:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

What I mean mean by google is if you google. You will find many many articles from Rolling Stone, Fader, Billboard, Reuters, etc that say Indie soul artist Anderson Pak wins grammy, or new indie-soul album by whomever released. Such as https://www.complex.com/music/a/anthony-osei/diddy-says-he-wasnt-a-control-freak-with-janelle-monae Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 11:31, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes - what I'm trying to say is that those reliable sources provide notability to Anderson Pak, not the genre. That article, and some others you pointed out, only mention indie soul once or twice without providing much facts about the genre itself. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 11:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Can you please now check the article again. Thank you Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 01:13, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I'll see when I can look into it further. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 07:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

And I mean thousands of articles. So if every music and news organization references someone some 10,000 artists as indie-soul that is ? irrelevant? Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 11:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Not that it is irrelevant. If not much reliable sources care enough about the genre to write full articles about it, Wikipedia, by its nature, should follow them and not have an article about it, but it can be mentioned in other articles. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 11:44, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

3. [Book - The All Music Guide to Soul] - Over 100 references to indie-soul/soul-pop https://www.google.com/books/edition/All_Music_Guide_to_Soul/o552g5xRRiwC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22soul+pop%22&pg=PA502&printsec=frontcover

[Billboard Music article - It's the new old sound from the under ground, but please don't call them Neo-soul - 2 page full spread mentioning indie soul 7 times. Accompanied by a small ad for an African American hair product mentioning it an additional 3 times.] https://books.google.com/books?id=PhYEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA29&dq=%22indie-soul%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiV2PH67saDAxXykokEHY3ZCkEQ6AF6BAgMEAI#v=onepage&q=%22indie-soul%22&f=false

https://ndigo.com/2017/05/21/16562/

https://glassefactory.com/2019-3-6-blood-orange-entering-a-new-age-of-indie-soul-live-in-nashville-tn/

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23411666.brownbears-matt-hickman-overcomes-demons-ahead-new-album-release/ Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:29, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Please, slow down

Hi Atmospherpolyphonic, it's fantastic that you want to help out Wikipedia. But please, slow down! You are kind of acting like a WP:GENREWARRIOR, by adding unsourced genres to articles on musical acts. Have you taken a moment to check out the guidelines? There you'll read about what Wikipedia is all about, what its core guidelines are. Sources are very important, a website like this is not considered a reliable source to consider 'indie soul' to be a whole different genre of music. You'll need some time to get used to Wikipedia, so please, take a step back and familiarize yourself with it. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 20:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I will add the sources, sorry for working in a backwards method, I just realized there hadnt been any work done in the area and was doing so. I have sources for all. Will address now. As far as Every Noise All At Once. It is probably the most authoritative database of music in the world actually. It is a AI based database that a guy(Glenn McDonald) developed many years ago to Map music and music styles. Spotify hired him and bought the database and it is one of three prongs of everything that spotify does for suggesting similar music. He was just fired last month but for the past many years he has run Spotifys music catalog. He is considered the peimenatie voice on music genre and connective sounds. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:00, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I didn't realize that this would at all be controversial/contested because it was quite widespread and normal to me. My apologies. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

If you are interested in music sound history and or music genres his book is amazing. Its called you have not yet heard your favourite song Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Indie soul for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Indie soul is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indie soul until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2024

This is your final warning to follow WP:AGF and WP:ASPERSIONS. AFD is a place to argue why an article should be kept or deleted, not attack another editor for their home country when they have not used that a single time for a reason for their nomination. Stop this immediately. Sergecross73 msg me 00:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I love the Netherlands. Apparently following wikipedia guidelines works in one direction. Not even mad. This is all quite normal systemic behaviors. But I do a disservice if I am not pointing them out. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 01:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

No. There's a common mantra on Wikipedia - "comment on content, not editors". You'd be wise to adapt it. You won't save your article from deletion by attacking the nominator. You've got to cut that out right away. You're more likely to end up blocked from editing. Sergecross73 msg me 01:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. Philipnelson99 (talk) 03:58, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sergecross73 just fyi now it appears they are canvassing users to participate in the AfD. Philipnelson99 (talk) 04:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Well I am leaving you a friendly notice as well. Can you please review the happenings Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indie soul I have no idea who is friendly or not. But I know we have an issue going on that requires awareness of cultural differences. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 04:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Philipnelson99Let me Make something clear. I was doing one thing. Writing a historical article on an important subject matter that I noticed was missing and should have had zero controversy or issue. Everything that has happened after that is an advanced user with more understanding of things ignoring all the rules, and then using them against a new user. IE systemic bullying. Now Im getting a warning for reaching out to people to look at what was going on? Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 04:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

This experience has taught me something. Wikipedia has a major problem. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 04:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I tried to coach you on how to handle an AFD, and you disregarded virtually all of my advice. Instead of giving concise comments about how your article meets policy, you've opted to give long-winded, rambling responses about any number of things that have no bearing on an AFD. And you've garnered zero "keep" stances while doing it. You seem to be an expert at pointing the finger at others, but you could really use some self-reflection on how much of this you brought on yourself. Sergecross73 msg me 04:13, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

let me make this easy. forget the article someone else can make it. I just want you to watch this. Thats what I ask of you. Bomb the article. Who cares. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3r3mOo4LmY Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 04:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

There should have been no this!

Here was my interaction.

I will add the sources, sorry for working in a backwards method, I just realized there hadnt been any work done in the area and was doing so. I have sources for all. Will address now. As far as Every Noise All At Once. It is probably the most authoritative database of music in the world actually. It is a AI based database that a guy(Glenn McDonald) developed many years ago to Map music and music styles. Spotify hired him and bought the database and it is one of three prongs of everything that spotify does for suggesting similar music. He was just fired last month but for the past many years he has run Spotifys music catalog. He is considered the peimenatie voice on music genre and connective sounds. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:00, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realize that this would at all be controversial/contested because it was quite widespread and normal to me. My apologies. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you are interested in music sound history and or music genres his book is amazing. Its called you have not yet heard your favourite song

His response was speedy then AFD Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 04:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I understand the frustration of getting an article you write nominated for deletion. It's happened to me a few times myself. But a bunch of long-winded monologues about the nominator and the subject in general is not the way to go. When it happens to me, I lay out a succinct, concise argument about which sources helped the subject meet certain guidelines, and the article was kept in no time. It works every time if you've got a valid argument and valid knowledge of policies and guidelines.

I've been on this website 15 years now. I've seen this play out countless times. You need to change your approach, or you're just going to burn yourself out or get yourself blocked from editing. Sergecross73 msg me 04:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

You don't say to a person editing an article about a civil rights topic. 1st you made this up. 2nd You dont exist. 3rd. Righterofwrongs . soapbox. The fact that no-one is acknowledging that. And you send ME the warning. HE literally could not say something moreinflammatory. That is pointed. That is clear. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 05:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh and calling me incompetent. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 05:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I give up, it doesn't appear anything I say gets through to you. Feel free to continue with the angry monologues. You don't need me here for that. Sergecross73 msg me 05:18, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I heard you. Are you hearing me. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 05:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Or do is the level of incendiary language when I put it in that context not obvious to you? Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 05:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate you stopping to empathize again. The frustration was in the method. Not that it had been nominated. If this happened in two weeks with a thorough check It would have been fine. But trying twice in 20 minutes after accusing me of "making up a term" is galling and not inline with wiki protocol. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 01:09, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indie soul. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. "Being a competent editor means realizing when you are wrong time and time again because of a lack of awareness." is a personal attack. You are treading closer to a broader block than from the discussion page. Star Mississippi 22:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I am aware, and appreciate the fact. What seems to be going uncommented or noticed is soetermans HIGHLY inflaming behavior that started and has perpetuated this that was not in line with wikipedia. In looking through the editors history it seems he has a history of inflaming other editors and has even had to turn his talk page off. But to be clear. Telling a minority RIGHTEROFWRONGS and SOAPBOX when talking about a minority subject is about as blanket and clear violation as one could get without using an actual racist word. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 22:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

AND if me pointing that out gets me banned then I would say that is a community that needs to hear that more. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 22:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTTHEM, but also I'm not sure what you mean by In looking through the editors history it seems he has a history of inflaming other editors and has even had to turn his talk page off. as it relates to @Soetermans. @Sergecross73 and others have tried to help you here. I think editing where you're not so passionate may help. But please heed my note below, or you're going to be further restricted. Star Mississippi 23:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

BUT I appreciate your need to also correct me. And that I am not suppose to be doing that, but only one editor has corrected or called out his behavior and everyone seems to be focused on my response, which is quite an inequitable situation. Particularly as I am pointing out the inequity, and that the article is about artists that pointed out inequity. It by my view quite ironic and funny if it wasnt true. .Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 22:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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Welcome to Wikipedia: check out the Teahouse!

Hello! Atmospherpolyphonic, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Wikipedia for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! Liz Read! Talk! 22:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2024

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing certain pages (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indie soul and Indie soul) for abuse of editing privileges.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Star Mississippi 23:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I was tempted to block you more broadly, and if the personal attacks continue elsewhere, I won't hesitate to do so. You have been bludgeoning the article and this discussion beyond multiple warnings. You are being disruptive. To any eventual reviewing admin, please also see User_talk:Atmospherpolyphonic#January_2024_2 Star Mississippi 23:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Good block. I would have done the same if I hadn't made an !vote at the AFD, prior to this spiraling out of control. Had I known the trajectory this would take, I would have held back on participating and probably taken similar action. Sergecross73 msg me 23:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Again. It didn't have to be like this at all. I was editing a thoughtful article and minding my own business. If anyone at any point had corrected the original issue and the subsequent and clear inflammatory behavior by the other party. Which only one editor has had the clarity to point out. All the focus is on the new person not the serial behavior of the editor who actually caused this problem. Spiral of silence Perhaps you should browse through his history some and the topics he has flagged in the past. As well as having to have turned his talk page off. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 23:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Blocking my does not affect the truth. It just silences the victim. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 23:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I mean, you're technically correct in that "it didn't have to be like this". I advised you multiple times on how to conduct yourself at AfD. Give concise responses that cite policy. Explain how sources show significant coverage, And I informed you that repeatedly attacking Soetermans was not a viable path to saving your article. Yet despite that, your conduct was full of long, rambling responses that cited no policy and addressed none of the points directed at you. Instead, you decided to obsess over Soetermans and his nomination.

Was Soetermans harsh on you? Sure. Was it appropriate that about half of your responses at AFD were long wall-of-texts rants about him? Absolutely not.

One of your off-topic rants alluded to the AFD being a "show trial". But a more accurate metaphor would be that you did the legal equivalent of dismissing your own lawyer and representing yourself without any legal experience. You made a lot of self-righteous speeches but none of it conformed to the format of the proceedings, and you basically got yourself held in contempt of court because you wouldn't stop being disruptive. Sergecross73 msg me 00:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

True on some counts. But simultaneously no one was sanctioning the much experienced other party who continued to do similar things. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 00:39, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Sergecross73. I don't consider myself Involved since my only action there was a relist and clerking related to this issue. Of course if another admin disagrees, they're welcome to review the eventual unblock request and handle as they see fit.

@Atmospherpolyphonic if you think there is an issue with someone else's conduct, feel free to file an appropriate report. You have access to the entire project other than two pages. Otherwise please stop. Star Mississippi 00:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

The inflammatory behaviour of repeatedly asking for three sources? Asking you stick to the discussion? Stop bringing race into it? Good heavens, the audacity! You made several aspersions and are still saying I am in the wrong here. Well, here we are.

And not that it is any of your business, but concerning my talk page, I asked for an edit protection so I wouldn't be harassed by anonymous IP users, you can't just have a talk page be "turned off". soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 00:09, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sergecross73Fortunately. I have figured out how to get another significant source for whomever takes over the editing of the page and found a better forum for my voice. Wish me luck.

Professor *******

I believe I have found my topic for my last semester thesis and for consideration by JIPEL. It would be entitled. “Indie Soul...How a white man from the Netherlands told me Black Culture was made up.” -Systemic Modern Day Bias in Music.

I have stumbled upon it by accident. I recently began editing on wikipedia as per our class assignment from Dr. ********. Within almost my first interactions I had a subject flagged for what I was told by a user “I made it up” and “that doesn't exist.” Then when that was turned down immediately he again attempted to delete it for not being an important subject.

What started off as a polite interaction quickly turned in to some very inflammatory and coded language. It reminded me of your lecture on the "studio system economic exploit of the underprivileged "

Almost in lockstep with the original flagger a systemic group of “authoritives” stepped in and saw I, the ‘new’ editor, as the disruptor and failed to acknowledge the flaggers behavior and unjust treatment and applications. They used existing rules to point to the deficits in my behavior while not applying to the establish presenter. My continued requests for comment on that portion of it led to me being labeled a "bludgeoner" and being blocked from editing on the topic.

I think it will make an excellent paper in comparing and contrasting the black artist movements messages of the 60-70’s that were covered in last semesters class.

I will be able to adhere to the proscribed quote and interview portion by using the message board portions of the conversations in the openings.

I would also like permission to include a duet "thought piece” portion as part of the submission and would need permission to increase the page count, as I want to submit it at my internship this summer at the magazine. I think it would be well received by ********** and. Professor ********** has said she thinks it’s a great idea and will submit it to her editor at ********.

If you approve I will provided the write-ups for class on Thursday.

Thank you and have a great weekend. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 00:32, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi This last comment by soeterman seems to be in the same vein of what you just blocked me for, no? Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 00:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry @Atmospherpolyphonic but I'm not sure what you're asking about @Soetermans' edits. No one has told you Black culture was made up.

Please either file a noticeboard report, or go edit productively. Star Mississippi 00:42, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

"Being a competent editor also means being able to make a distinction what is and what isn't a reliable source. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:24, 12 January 2024 (UTC)" so I respond with being a competent editor means admitting when you do know something. And that is insulting?

"Thank you both. Sad to see a passionate person lacking competence and not willing to listen. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 23:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]"

^^^^

and it continues. This is a perfectly illustrative use of pleasant sounding coded language. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 01:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

In my culture we would say. "this guy thinks his slick" "but get downs a ...." Which would mean that often people who think they are superior and have won something when they were already standing on third base have a long fall when it bites them in the butt. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 01:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I blocked you for bludgeoning the discussion, not for personal attacks. I was tempted to block you more broadly, and if the personal attacks continue elsewhere, I won't hesitate to do so.

If you believe @Soetermans' edits are personal attacks (I do not, WP:CIR is a key piece of editing here), you're welcome to file a report as I have told you previously. Star Mississippi 01:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

perhaps you missed User talk:Sergecross73/Archive 103 since he archived it when I brought up Soetermans behaviors in AFD that triggered this. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 01:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

No one there is throwing around personal attacks. You are frustrated because your article was nominated for deletion. I understand that, but neither editor did anything wrong. This is why AfC is encouraged as is editing in existing areas before trying to write a new article especially one for class. Draft space would have allowed you to edit it without risk of deletion, or with much less risk. Star Mississippi 01:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I was not frustrated my article was nominated for deletion. I was frustrated in HOW it was nominated. You are correct about draft. As you can see I created two new articles in draft space. What would have been appropriate as the 1st responder and someone else echoed was. Give it more than 20 minutes of life and talk to the writer before trying to delete it twice. And since he didnt do that with the other articles I gave him. Which are much inferior, existed much longer, and are exactly the same other than being more culturally similar to him....we can clearly follow and see a bias. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 01:33, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

we can ask ourselves. Why is he so emphatic that this article be removed. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 01:35, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

And again. If you dont see how someone using the language of SOAPBOX and RIGHTEROFWRONG to a person of color writing about a topic heavily intrenched in civil rights......I mean that seems prima facia to most people. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 01:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Nah, the system here has already shown itself. It not like a new experience to see this play out this way. It's always a bit surprising, and I thought wiki is billed as egalitarian. But then I started looking at things Racial bias on Wikipedia and realized on day two what was going to happen if I didn't get anyone to admit the lack of protocol he followed or acknowledge the HIGHLY INFLAMMATORY words he used. My solution is I'm just going to shine a light on injustice. And you can never do that from within the system without powerful allies willing to risk their place in the establishment. I have none since it's not my system. So I've found a different avenue and hopefully that will bring change and shame future actors. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 01:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

It took till today, how many days, to finally get @Sergecross73 to just even likely admit "Was Soetermans harsh on you? Sure" which isn't even a fully acknowledgement of what is clear. SOETERMANS DID NOT FOLLOW THE ACTUAL RULES DID NOT FOLLOW SUGGESTED DECORUM and then said inflaming things to a less experienced user and created this. We don't know why, but we can look at patterns. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 01:26, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Funny that so many people seem to be "harassing" you. I wonder if that is due to your behavior and use of your experience and the power it provides you to behave in a targeted and unjust way. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 00:41, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

You are correct, a simple re-list does not constitute involvement. Sergecross73 msg me 00:13, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

And I will not be seeking an unblock. I will let peoples actions stay as they see fit. I was just trying to write and article for my class assignments and what I thought was going to be a really enojoyable activity has led me in another direction. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 00:43, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Unblock request

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Request reason:

I would like the article portion of this block lifted as I have done nothing wrong in relation to working on the article to improve it for the project. The AFD portion block is fine as I have brought to light all that I can. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 02:14, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Decline reason:

I'd be happy to lift the partial block from the article WP:MAINSPACE once the WP:DRAFT succeeds in completing the WP:AFC process (I doubt the blocking admin would object). El_C 02:38, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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User:El_C @El_C I am not sure what this means? I can't edit the draft until when? And it seems the blocking admin has no objection to me continuing working on the draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atmospherpolyphonic (talk • contribs)

You can edit the draft right now, Atmospherpolyphonic, so feel free to do so at any time. HTH. El_C 02:49, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Confirming no objection to your proposed course of action El_c Star Mississippi 02:51, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

No, I tried. It does not allow me to edit the draft it says I have the block. Atmospherpolyphonic 02:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Correction it is now letting me. Thank you Atmospherpolyphonic 02:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, shows what I know. :( Yeah, Star Mississippi lifted it, so you should be good to go now. El_C 03:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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I submitted an unblock review for the article portion. I would appreciate you considering lifting that portion on your own as I have not done anything in relation to the article itself that I deserve that for and would like to continue to improve it as I have been. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 02:16, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I do not wish to continue discussing on the AFD. I said what I had to say, provided what I know and see, and submitted my thesis request in the real world, what happens from that I have no control over. But I was doing a very great job of writing a good article in a subject the project hadn't covered yet. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 02:19, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

To ensure fairness for you, I will leave that for someone who has not been part of the discussion.

What I would recommend, whether or not you regain access, is leave the edit window until you finish all your edits and submit one comprehensive edit. That helps all editors, including yourself, keep up with the discussion. Star Mississippi 02:28, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Fair and noted, I had originally put up the article in a stuby kind of way because I had never used the visual editor and had no inclination that someone would be trying to delete it in less than and hour. I was having to retype and organize a research paper I did for the genre paper I was assigned. I Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 02:38, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2024

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making personal attacks towards other editors.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Black Kite (talk) 11:15, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I was doing exactly as you asked and providing the copy and pasted quotes you were asking for. I can't resend and accusation that I didn't say anywhere. He is the only one who said racist or racism or race. In no place did I say that prior or in the separate discussion. Nor did I provide you with any explanation that was not inline with the copy and pasted information. There is no place for me to strike anything as it is all direct requoting his own words?? That you had asked me to provide for you. And again, how are we entirely focused on my words and not looking at his actions? This makes no sense. HE IS THE ONE WHO SAID I WAS RACIST ABOVE. I said systemic bias. Is no one aware of the difference. This is shocking. I have zero issues of disruption or in anyway negative practice but for the ones as the quotes illustrate were not being started by me. >>>>

Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 11:44, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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I was doing exactly as you asked and providing the copy and pasted quotes you asked for. I cant resend and accusation that I didn't say. He is the only one who said racist or racism or race. In no place did I say that nor did I provide you with any explanation that was not inline with the copy and pasted information. There is no place for me to strike anything as it is all direct requoting his own words?? That you had asked me to provide for you. And again, how are we entirely focused on my words and not looking at his actions? This makes no sense. HE IS THE ONE WHO SAID I WAS RACIST ABOVE. This is shocking. I have zero issues of disruption or in anyway negative practice but for the ones as the quotes illustrate were not being started by me. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 11:24, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You must address your own behavior, not others. Reading the ANI thread that lead to this block, it's quite clear that you brought up another editor's ethnicity multiple times during discussions, and also accussed them of multiple wrongdoings (tag teaming and racism) without any evidence whatsoever. The threat below is also extremely concerning and shows battleground heavior. Isabelle Belato ^🏳‍🌈 12:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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I asked you several times to bring up the diffs that would show I said those things, I did not say it and you couldn't come up with the diffs I did. More than once you mentioned the Netherlands, "Dutchness", Dutch music and me being white and I asked you stop bringing race into the discussion, but you talked about race repeatedly. You were asked in the deletion discussion to bring up three sources to show notability, you failed to do so. You were reminded to assume good faith, but you accused me and others of inflammatory remarks and even tagteaming. You were warned to stick to the discussion, but you made several personal attacks. You were asked to strike your insults, you didn't. It was pointed out to you that you were flooding the article with trivial references, but continued all the same. It is truly astonishing that you are incredulous still that you are the one that is blocked from editing. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 11:37, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

You immediately felt the need to come further comment on my talk page and was offered an opportunity to apologize simply for having used offensive language to a minority and didn't take it, it was the easiest out in the world, and you didnt take. What does that say about you. What kind of example is this setting in the community....

And in it you say " I asked you several times" . I asked you to apologize. How do you somehow believe that you are entitled to respect you did not give. What type of example is this. What type of human being. Truly. Instead of a good article on a music subject important another culture. All that we have learned is. A. You are petty. B. You are small. C. You are arrogant. D. You are a bully. E. You aren't self aware. F. You refuse to acknowledge your own clear bias and decided to you a system again a inexperienced minority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atmospherpolyphonic (talk • contribs)

Well, this was a blast. Best of luck in your future endeavours! soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh Soetermans....Im gonna make you so so famous my guy. I couldn't have asked for a better ending and display of inequity. I provided a blanket show of collision, a pattern of you mistreating others, a lack of rule following, and you actually calling me a racist, the thing that I get banned for that I never ever said. In wikipedia world that somehow makes you the winner.(it's genuinely shocking) But, In the real world it's not gonna play out like that, it makes you living in world with dinosaurs. This was just a tastie little appetizer. I am going to spend the next 5 months with one single minded focus. And that is taking a poison seed you planted and growing it in to a rainbow that shines light on dark places. You're gonna change the conversation Soety. My goal is that you get enough articles to get your own wiki page. Thank you.

• sigh this definitely took a turn since my last comment. Atmospherpolyphonic, your unblock request seems like it's trying to clarify that the quoting was right, but the thing is that it might've been made out of context. I imagine that Soetermans' comment mentioning "Black American Music" is this one, but this is just copying from the synopsis of the series that mentions "Black American Music". Soetermans did not seem to focus on that part. Also, please don't type stuff like "What type of human being" or "A. You are ... B. You are ..." in this thread; this won't help convince any admin that your block for personal attacks was a misunderstanding. Comment on the contributions, not the person. I hope that, in the future, you can show others your potential to improve this encyclopedia. This is my last comment regarding this situation. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 12:14, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah owl it went real off the rails. I went back to editing and then the conflict was reopened because Soetermans had lost. We found out that serge the +1 and huge advocate has edited and interacted and talk paged with the nominator on 100's and 1000's of pages. We found out Soetermans has been banned for a year for COI and warned about harassing pages of new users and told people they should masterbate more and that he also has problems with Japanese people for some reason. We found out he did indeed not follow the rules. He called me a racist. And then I got blocked because I didn't strike through having said he was a racist (because I never said it and there was no place to do so)

No problem bud. As I said several days ago. On day I knew exactly where this would end up if I didnt just take the abuse. SO my goal was to shine as much light as I could on the dark. But something truly amazing is going to come from it, so all good my man. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 12:27, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Sergecross73 and Black Kite:, I feel Oh Soetermans....Im gonna make you so so famous my guy. I couldn't have asked for a better ending and display of inequity. I provided a blanket show of collision, a pattern of you mistreating others, a lack of rule following, and you actually calling me a racist, the thing that I get banned for that I never ever said. In wikipedia world that somehow makes you the winner.(it's genuinely shocking) But, In the real world it's not gonna play out like that, it makes you living in world with dinosaurs. This was just a tastie little appetizer. I am going to spend the next 5 months with one single minded focus. And that is taking a poison seed you planted and growing it in to a rainbow that shines light on dark places. You're gonna change the conversation Soety. My goal is that you get enough articles to get your own wiki page. Thank you. is very threatening. Can we revoke talk page access perhaps? soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:29, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Star Mississippi of course, apologies. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:31, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I've revoked TPA due to that threat. If another admin disagrees, they can undo it without consulting me. Isabelle Belato ^🏳‍🌈 12:38, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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Good block. As I mentioned before (but is probably lost in all the walls of text) at no point did Soetermans say anything racist. At no point did any of his AFD argument remotely allude to any racial or social aspect. He nominated an article for deletion because it was unsourced. Ironically, it was the blocked editor that chose to weaponize the fact that Soetermans voluntarily disclosed he was from the Netherlands, and baselessly and wrongly assumed that the only way that someone from the Netherlands would not accept the notability of a music genre closely associated to people of color couple possibly be is racism. Systemic bias exist everywhere, but at no point were they able to actually tie that into anything specifically going on here. I warned them many times of WP:ASPERSIONS, but they ignored me. Every time. They chose baseless attacks as a substitute for trying to learn and discuss actual notability concepts. Sergecross73 msg me 13:11, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Good block and as I said at @Soetermans talk just now, thanks for handling while I was offline @Isabelle Belato. The only one whose conduct was an issue at all was @Atmospherpolyphonic. Norms here can be a challenge for a new user, but that was a whole 'nother level. In hind sight, I should have probably INDEFfed for the PAs but I was a little too optimistic. Thanks again all. Star Mississippi 14:27, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Good block. Reading this user's recent contributions makes it clear that the editor's contributions have gone way beyond excessively combative to atrocious. Cullen328 (talk) 02:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Sergecross73 and Star Mississippi, could it be that an IP user removing a comment from indie soul's AfC is a block evasion? soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 21:20, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Or this address. Atmospherpolyphonic claimed to be from New York City, both those IP addresses are from there as well. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 21:22, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Probably, but I'm not a check user who can check. I've got the draft watchlist though, so efforts to remove comments will not work. Sergecross73 msg me 21:27, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in quickly. If it's not to much of a bother, can you request a checkuser to check them out? I'm on my phone and off to bed in a little while. If not, no problem, I'll try to figure it out tomorrow. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 21:34, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Well.... Also pinging Cullen328 and Isabelle Belato. If this is Atmospherpolyphonic again, I prefer to see action be taken as soon as possible. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 21:27, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I blocked one, ferret blocked another. Painfully obvious socking now that I've had the chance to look at it more. Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I've revoked TPA on the IPs. Noting as well by the user's own admission this is not their first account and they've been editing for 7-8 years. Whether true or not, who knows. -- ferret (talk) 00:48, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Ferret @Sergecross73 @Soetermans for handlign while I was offline Star Mississippi 02:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Chuck 50.74.224.131 on the pile. -- ferret (talk) 02:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

And dropped a couple of CU blocks on some accounts now for good measure. -- ferret (talk) 02:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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