User talk:Mann jess

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Original research?

Hi Jess,

Thanks for your advice. You may be right about the need for citations but I believe the normal policy is to tag this rather than simply delete the addition in its entirely. I personally feel that citations are not absolutely essential in this case, since the argument is simply based on the uncontrovertable plot sequence of the original texts. However, the key points are not my own so I will shortly restore the contribution with appropriate citations.

Please feel free to contact me about this if necessary.

Regards,

Sineaste --Sineaste (talk) 06:27, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Tagging is done when content is already in the article, and finding a source for it seems reasonable. New content which is added to an article without a source should be removed until one can be found. And, per WP:V, sources are definitely essential. Verifiability is a foundational principal of wikipedia. Jess_talk|_edits 17:50, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey thanks for looking out.

That was actually me I edited my page from the public library. I did not feel like logging in, I was using my ZuneHD so it would have been time consuming. But I was planning to check if you could make your personal page only editable to autoconfirmed users or something.--Nishauncom (talk) 14:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

What you're talking about is semiprotection. That can be done to user talk pages, but it only is appropriate in cases of high levels of vandalism. All the best, Jess_talk|_edits 17:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage

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The Genesis Code

I reverted a bunch edits by an IP assuming vandalism but now I'm not sure. Could you take a look and revert me if I made a mistake. Slightsmile (talk) 23:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

He put another edit, so I think I'll just point it to an admin. Sorry about that. Slightsmile (talk) 00:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey there. I looked over the edits very briefly, and it doesn't immediately look like vandalism to me. However, if you have a reason to suspect that it is, issue him a warning on his user talk page, and if he persists then file a report at WP:AIV. If you have any specific questions, feel free to let me know :) All the best, Jess_talk|_edits 00:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I know this one was so hard to tell. I was kicking myself for getting bogged on this one but then I saw someone just blocked it for year. A school IP. Slightsmile (talk) 01:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Clementkuehn

We need to work with him, he seems to be an expert on the subject who doesn't understand how we work. He could be an asset. He's responded on my talk page. Dougweller (talk) 17:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

See his comments on my talk page. I see no reason not to leave the links now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talk • contribs) 19:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

/* September 2010 */ description of the reason for two links in "Genesis Creation Narrative"

Dear Jess, I thought that I was adding useful information to the "Genesis Creation Narrative" site. Anastasius of Sinai (Anastasius Sinaita) discusses the Genesis creation narrative extensively in 12 books in his Hexaemeron. His Hexaemeron also contains citations of many previous commentators on the creation narrative: from Philo to Basil the Great. Thus his Hexaemeron, in many ways, is a compendium of commentaries on the creation narrative by Fathers of the Church prior to 700. Most students and scholars do not realize this, because his Hexaemeron was not published in the original Greek and was not translated into a modern language until 2007. Anastasius himself, despite his enormous importance in the Middle Ages, is often not taught in universities, because critical editions of his works have only begun to be published. Thus I also added a site about his life and works in general.

If, however, these two links still seem gratuitous, I would be happy to remove them. I do not want to be contentious. I enjoy your work on Wikipedia too much! (I did not see, at first, who had removed the two links.)

So let me know what you would like.

Thanks for your patience,

Clementkuehn (talk) 02:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey Clementkuehn. I'm sorry if I came off short before (you can only pack so much info into an edit summary!) I'm not at all familiar with the content dispute, so I think you're best off discussing the matter with DougWeller. My earlier revert was only on the grounds that you had added the same info to a bunch of other articles and been reverted, so I was just completing the cleanup. I trust Doug's judgement that your content is relevant and within policy, so I'll leave it to you and other editors to hash out as necessary. If I get the time, perhaps I'll go through it all and jump into the discussion then... but in the meantime, thanks for the contributions! Sorry for any misunderstanding before, but welcome to WP. Ask if you have any questions, and good luck :) Jess_talk|_edits 02:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Have you seen this?

[1] Dougweller (talk) 13:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I have actually. I think I caught it from the same place you did. It's unfortunately not the first (or even first couple) times I've been the subject of an angry rant somewhere on the web because of a rather tame incident elsewhere... so it's not like he's trudging my name through the dirt any more than others have already tried. What I do find funny (even disturbing) is that other editors there seem to agree with him. I'm not sure how else that discussion could have possibly been phrased to be less biased... but oh well. My only real concern is that he's labeled the page "Wikipedia Debate 1", which gives me the impression he wishes to debate here, rather than contribute constructively. That may be something to look out for. Thanks for the heads up! Jess_talk|_edits 23:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Good point about the '1'. It certainly isn't anything you should worry about. I'm not sure what you mean about other editors agreeing, but I haven't looked at any other pages on the site. Dougweller (talk) 04:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I browsed around a bit after seeing the "debate" link. His talk page, for instance, is an interesting read. particularly the last two sections where he attempts to recruit others into the Baraminology discussion here. I'm of course happy to be proven wrong, but I think I'll keep my concern for a little longer :p Jess_talk|_edits 17:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Reading the site just makes me ill. So much dishonesty. Dougweller (talk) 18:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Likewise! Thanks for looking out -- I definitely would have wanted to know about this if I hadn't seen it already, so I appreciate it! :) Jess_talk|_edits 18:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Criticism of atheism

An anonymous editor (the same one) reverted the edit back. I suspect this could be an ongoing issue. Your intervention is kindly requested. Obamafan70 (talk) 18:04, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

You seem to have reverted the edit already, so not much I can do unless he decides to discuss the content. I did give him a 3rr warning (which is {{uw-3rr}}). If he reverts more than 3 times, then file a report at WP:AN3, which will get him blocked for a day. If he then persists or he socks, then you'll need to go to WP:RFPP to get the page protected temporarily. Thanks for looking out for this! :) Jess_talk|_edits 00:55, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. For future reference, please use "he or she" as we would not want to offend female vandals (just kidding!!!). Best regards once again! :) Obamafan70 (talk) 01:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Ben Quayle

He's a candidate, I think having him listed as a candidate makes perfect sense. If he weren't a candidate he wouldn't even have a wiki page, so I don't see the sense in trying to mask this fact. His opponent has a page very similar to what I had posted and I don't see you jumping in there to make revisions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JAndrewClarkC123 (talk • contribs) 07:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

As I've explained in edit summaries, you are edit warring against other editors. This has nothing to do with the content... it has to do with how you're approaching adding it. You need to discuss the change on the article talk page. Please read WP:BRD, and then start a new section on the article talk page to discuss your proposal. Jess_talk|_edits 12:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

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The Kalam Cosmological Argument (book)

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Please feel free to edit and contribute to this. Efiiamagus (talk) 14:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

wtf

ip addresses are reused by many people

you should not attack someone who happened to get assigned the ip used by someone else to make an edit that you dont like

i never attacked anybody unless you consider an edit an attack because that was a change , perhaps that you disagree with , or perhaps cause you dont want your golden words changed by anybody — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.103.155.103 (talk • contribs)

As the comment I made indicates, if you are using a dynamic ip address, you should consider making an account to avoid irrelevant notices. When someone vandalizes wikipedia, we issue warnings to that user. By editing anonymously under a dynamic or shared ip, you may occasionally be subject to warnings and/or blocks for the behavior of other users. Creating an account avoids those risks. Also, please sign talk pages with four tildes ~~~~ so others know who you are. Jess_talk|_edits 17:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, frankly, your behavior indicates a distinct possibility you're the same editor who made the initial personal attack. I'd suggest reading over WP:AGF before engaging other editors. All the best, Jess_talk|_edits 17:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

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Vitriol and Bias

soapboxing
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I posted on the article talk page already.... my edits were GOOD FAITH... And were accurate and neutral. NO VALID REASON TO KEEP REVERTING IT, IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING SO BLATANTLY POV AND BIASED, IN THE LEAD. you have it backwards. YOU (and your crew) are the ones injecting BLATANT BIAS AND NON-OBJECTIVE nonsense on this article, because of ranker, hate, venom, pathology, and agendas. And treating it like a forum, to do nothing but bash, and gripe, instead of presenting anything neutrally. The article is not a MySpace blog, but it's supposed to be an Encyclopedic article that is supposed to have at least a semblance of neutral tone. Saying "pseudoscience" especially right off the bat in the lead is anything but "neutral". I simply re-worded it with a more neutral unbiased and factual tone. With no pro or con either way. Yet you call my thing "vitriol"???? Talk about bizarro world. That's why to many people, Wikipedia does not have the credibility that it should have. But how is my re-wording of the lead "biased"? JUST HOW SPECIFICALLY? All you did was assert it, but didn't explain or demonstrate it. I never worded as either pro or con. But simply NEUTRAL. (maybe you were referring to some of my edit comments...then. But the actual edits that I did were NOT "vitriol", but were simply accurately and neutrally stated. With no slant either way.) How is "Icons of Evolution is a creationist work by biologist Jonathan Wells that attempts to assert that often-cited evidences for Darwinian evolution theory are really a sign that evolutionists are either committing fraud or buttressing a crumbling theory. The book has been rejected by the majority in the scientific community." "vitriol"?? How is that wording there "biased"? There's NO pro or con bias either way in my wording. it's simply accurate and NEUTRAL. but with the other intro wording IT WAS SO SLANTED AND OPINIONATED ("majority view" or not by coccoon reviewed "scientists" or not) it's like not funny. Leave your biased junk off of WP articles. It's in violation of the NUMBER ONE pillar of WP Policy. NEUTRALITY IN WORDING, with "NPOV" summarized in WP:NPOV and WP:YESPOV How is: "Icons of Evolution is a pseudoscientific[1] book" not insulting, biased, vitriolic, neurotic, snarky? To many people it's NOT "pseudoscientific", but simply a book that challenges certain Darwinist talking points and supposed "proofs" of the theory. My re-wording had NO bias EITHER WAY. There was no pro or con in either direction. But it was simply a factual accurate objective statement, stated neutrally. Listen.... If a Young Earth Creationist came on the article and injected stuff like "This book demolishes Darwinism" I WOULD REMOVE THAT TOO !!!! If I saw biased junk EITHER WAY put in there, I would undo it. because it's called being NEUTRAL. something you and your edits SIMPLY ARE NOT.... Again, the first pillar of Wikipedia editing is NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW... NEUTRALITY IN WORDING, with "NPOV" summarized in WP:NPOV and WP:YESPOV And it simply is not being followed on this article. There's so much POV in this article, it reads like a Darwinist blog on MySpace, rather than a neutral Encyclopedic article, that tries to show at least a semblance of objectivity in tone...... 68.237.215.48 (talk) 19:07, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

You only need to post in one place... please don't copy/paste responses from article talk pages to my user page. I responded there. In short, you're not discussing improvements to the article, you're ranting. Try to be specific about what changes you'd like made and why, and please keep the discussion there. Jess_talk|_edits 19:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok I shortened the points here, (and on the talk page of the article), a lot more, if that makes you happy... because you don't like what's being said you call it ranting and soap-boxing, and blank the whole thing basically. try addressing the points instead of whining about the length or whatever.... Anyway, I made it a lot shorter... With less "soap-boxing" or whatever you saw it as.

The basic point is that my edits were good-faith AND SHOWED NO BIAS EITHER WAY. If a Young Earther came on and made the intro pro-Wells, I WOULD REMOVE THAT TOO. That was my basic point. Try addressing that specifically. Thank you. 68.237.215.48 (talk) 19:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't care what you would have done if someone else made another edit. It only matters to me what is being done now. You're introducing new content, and you are not defending that content. Again, let's keep this on the article talk page. Not here. You don't need to respond here again. Jess_talk|_edits 21:09, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Criticism of atheism - thanks!

Thanks for your preservation of my comment on 91.110.10.177's flaky spelling. The amusing thing is that he didn't correct his own misspelling from which I was quoting! -- Jmc (talk) 18:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Objections to evolution

Hi Mann jess. I'm not sure if you noticed it, but in a WP:SMS I noted that I already have taken the issue to talk--not article talk, though, because the issue isn't specific to this article, but rather guideline talk (at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (lead section)#Simple descriptions), because the problem concerns the interpretation of a guideline. As for this article, the title might not be "particularly long", but I don't think that "short" and "long" correspond all that well to "simplicity" and "complexity". A long steel rod is no more complex than a short one, and a tall person isn't necessarily more sophisticated than a short one. The strongest similarity among the terms appears to be that both "short and long" and "simple and complex" are both highly subjective judgments. On MoS talk, though, I've suggested a more objective demarcation scheme. If you have any questions, concerns, or objections regarding my proposal, then I invite you to bring them up on MoS talk. Regards, Cosmic Latte (talk) 15:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Cosmic Latte. Thanks for inquiring about this issue. However, there doesn't appear to be a whole lot of ambiguity from my perspective, as the MoS appears to indicate that the title should be bold in all cases except where doing so would be awkward or impossible. For example, there are a variety of articles where the exact title doesn't appear in the opening sentence, and in those (complex) cases there is obviously nothing to bolden. Objections to Evolution doesn't have that problem. I have no concerns about you raising any issues of ambiguity on the MoS talk page (and indeed would welcome you to), but for the time being it appears there's consensus to keep the boldness in this particular case. If you'd like to change the article prior to receiving clarification on the MoS talk page, then per WP:BRD the next step would be to discuss it on the article talk. That was the purpose of my revert and edit summary. All the best, Jess_talk|_edits 15:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. Your interpretation of "complex" strikes me as a reasonable alternative to my own suggestion. Would you mind if I add a link to your above response on MoS talk, to provide editors with another potential way to resolve the simple/complex issue over there? (I'm not being sarcastic, by the way--I want people to view my suggestion in relation to other possibilities, so that the resulting consensus reflects some critical thinking, rather than passive acceptance of my idea just because I had a lot to say about it.) Again, thank you for your explanation, and thank you in advance if you'll permit a link to your explanation on MoS talk. Cosmic Latte (talk) 16:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Of course. You never need to ask. Everything I contribute to the site is free to use. That's kind of the point :p Jess_talk|_edits 16:35, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

"Don't edit war"

Jess, noticed that, in your participation in what YOU idendtified as an edit war, you admonished me not to edit war. Do you get it? So, while you're edit waring, you say, in effect "Please don't edit war, but instead allow me to edit war and win",,, to which I have a simple reply. Starts with an "N".... ends with an "O"... NO. Get it? No! No, you don't have some authority that I don't have. No, you don't get to set the ejenda. No, you can't argue that I'm PA, and I'm not allowed to respond. NO. Get it? NO Steve kap (talk) 20:27, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

You need to read WP:BRD, as I advised you to do earlier. You're trying to make a change to an article, and have been reverted by several editors. That's called edit warring, and it's covered quite clearly in WP:EW. Reading WP:CIVIL might be good for you too, as your tone across the site thus far has been far from constructive. Also, as I've spoken to you about this sort of behavior on a few occasions now, I'd highly suggest heading the advice of the multitude of editors who have commented thus far, as it is your responsibility to be aware of these policies and to abide by them. Not doing so could result in you being blocked from editing. I don't want to see that happen, so I'd suggest taking some time to cool off and read through the linked pages. Jess_talk|_edits 23:10, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Just a note

I wasn't aware you had closed it. There was an edit conflict so I had to copy-paste and reinsert it. Also, thank you for not merely deleting my answer to Walter Görlitz. Rmcfanatic (talk) 00:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

No worries :) I just moved it up into the closed section. We're all editing at the same time, so edit conflicts are bound to occur. All the best, Jess_talk|_edits 00:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Cool. :) Rmcfanatic (talk) 00:40, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

You should consider using

You reverted on global warming, asserting that you something appeared to be original research. You didn't assume good faith. Are you knowledgeable enough to KNOW it is original research? If not, why didn't you just use . If you had read the source for the original statement, you would know that the same source supports the new statement.--Africangenesis (talk) 19:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

The cn tag is intended for content which is already included in the article, for which there appears to be a reasonable likelihood that a source will be found in the future. It is not intended for dubious content added without sourcing. For that, I'd suggest you read WP:BRD and WP:V. You also may wish to read WP:BOLD, since you appear to be taking it as a personal sleight that I've reverted your edit, and by extension are assuming bad faith from me. From what I've seen you post on the discussion page, you don't appear to have a strong desire to work collaboratively with other editors, but instead appear to be editing to "right great wrongs", or some such... If I'm incorrect, then by all means please demonstrate that, but doing so will require some effort on your part finding reliable sources which support the content you wish to include, and a change in tone on discussion pages. Until then, asserting bad faith of an editor who you've interacted with only once, and POV and bias of any editor who objects to your content doesn't generally go a long way to demonstrating collaborative editing. Jess_talk|_edits 19:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Obviously you had not read the first source, the one used for the original statement. I quote

"In contrast, the direct radiative forcing due to increases in solar irradiance is estimated to be +0.12 (90% range from 0.06 to 0.3) W m–2."

Note that the forcing is positive, not cooling as in the incorrect statement you restored. Consider also from that same source:

"but over the entire period from 1984 to 2001, surface solar radiation has increased by about 0.16 W m–2 yr–1 on average (Pinker et al., 2005)."

The difference between us is that I am actually familiar with the literature and actually read the sources. You should stay away from articles instead of participating in mob behavior if you aren't going to take the time to familiarize yourself with the topic. Will you take responsibility for restoring the text and defending the correction version? --Africangenesis (talk) 20:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)