User talk:Scolaire

Opinion

Someone just came through an article I created which I happened to be looking at. They changed a birth place from Ireland to United Kingdom and Ireland. While this is entirely correct since the birth was in 1918 it was the birth of a nationalist in a nationalist household. It started me wondering what exactly the rules for calling the country at the various times in its existence actually are... I know we will likely never get everyone to agree on nationality names... ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 13:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Antiqueight. The rule regarding place of birth is at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Ireland-related articles#Biographical articles. For people born before 1922, "Ireland" should be used, regardless of the background or political beliefs of the subject. Per WP:OVERLINK, it should not be pipelinked. Scolaire (talk) 16:50, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Hey - thanks, fast reply. In that case the editor has been overlinking and I shall go and undo several I have noticed. I was checking up since I was somewhat unexpectedly away longer than I'd ever intended and the poor watchlist was just full. So I was doing a quick survey of older articles to check nothing weird had slipped in. I can count on the community to look after everything but it is nice to check in. I hope I'm basically back for the rest of the year and shall be creating again. Thank for your input and the links which I will read now - I figured it was in MoS but failed to find it myself... ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 21:59, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Skid Row (Irish band)

I take great exception to you describing my edits as 'a mess'. In both instances they were intended to improve the referencing - which they did. It is interesting to note that the only real improvement you made to the latter of my two edits was in respect of one reference (out of 11 in total). Your first edit largely reverted to a version that had mainly incomplete references. An apology would not go amiss. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:20, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Ah! Yes, Derek, I had forgotten we had both edited Skid Row back in September. When I said "not for the first time", I was referring to this conversation from three years ago. Using reFill to add proper cite templates to basic refs is laudable; stripping the text from a ref to leave a bare url, before tagging it as a dead url, is disruptive. Two of us explained that to you in a civil manner back then, and you responded by telling us what an experienced editor you were and that we had better things to be doing than bothering you in your important work. Three years later, you have not modified your behaviour and you're still creating messes on multiple articles. If you find a dead link, you can (a) check it at the Wayback Machine and see if an archived version exists, or (b) tag it and leave it as it is. Stripping off the text that might help editors to find a working url, or at least indicate what was at that url, is, as I say, disruptive. It creates a mess, and I will not apologise for saying so. It was only on one citation that you did that in your most recent edits to Skid Row, but in your September edits it was more than one. In what you called my "first edit", I was primarily concerned with removing content added by a prolific vandal, but I was not in a mood to fix the mess you made with your edits, so I rolled back to the last stable version, undoing the good as well as the bad. When you learn to use the script in a way that improves an article without simultaneously harming it, I will stop reverting you and I will stop criticising you. Scolaire (talk) 16:39, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

The Troubles

Just wanted to drop in and say thanks for implementing my suggestion. I've had an account for a long time but only recently active (thanks Covid!), still learning the ropes. I appreciate your interactions and collaboration. Retswerb (talk) 00:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

No problem, Retswerb. You know, sometimes you become so familiar with an article that it seems it must make perfect sense to everybody. That's why, when Mr gobrien said the point needed to be clarified my reaction was to pooh-pooh it (sorry Mr gobrien). Your calm contribution to the discussion clarified the issue and your simple solution solved it elegantly. So thank you. Scolaire (talk) 10:23, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Glad you're back, hope you're well. I was wondering if you could take a look at Charles Gavan_Duffy#An "Irish Mazzini" and see if you think it's acceptable writing? My feeling is that, despite repeated criticism from multiple editors including both of us, the unacceptable standard of writing is continuing. However it'd be best to get a second opinion first. Thanks. FDW777 (talk) 14:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Against my better judgement, I glanced at my watchlist; and when I did I saw a page move that I consider totally inappropriate. I will check back periodically to see how that goes, but otherwise, I am not back. Good luck in your Gavan Duffy discussion. Scolaire (talk) 14:15, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

No problem, enjoy your break. FDW777 (talk) 14:21, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Wow! The Proclamation of the Irish Republic. I remember it like it was yesterday. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU. --Scolaire (talk) 14:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Patrick McGrath

Hi Scolaire Im pretty new to creating articles and I wonder if you might take a look at Draft Patrick McGrath (Irish Republican) which I submitted .several months ago. I appreciate any help/advice you might offer. Thanks, Palisades1 (talk) 18:05, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Palisades1. I hope you don't mind if I give you a couple of tips on etiquette first. If you want to discuss something new on a talk page, you should make it a new section with a section heading. I've done that for you on this occasion. And secondly, if you want to discuss a specific page you should link it, e.g. "I wonder if you might take a look at Draft:Patrick McGrath (Irish Republican)" – it saves the person having to play detective.

I found significant coverage of McGrath in Destiny of the Soldiers (five results), Pawns in the Game (three results), Fianna Fáil, Partition and Northern Ireland (two results), Defending Ireland (two results), Seán MacBride: A Life, Britain, Ireland and the Second World War, and Ireland 1912–1985. Unfortunately, all except the last three are not facsimiles and therefore don't have page numbers. Also, many of them only say the same thing. But at least that is enough sources to prove notability. BrownHairedGirl, in her review, suggested looking up contemporary newspaper reports. You can get a one-month subscription to the Irish Newspaper Archives for €29. Alternatively, if you are in Dublin you can get a reader's ticket for the National Library or the Pearse Street Library and Archive, and access them there for nothing.

By the way, where did you get the information that he was 21 in 1916? And why did you not use that to give him a date of birth of about 1895?

Regards. Scolaire (talk) 16:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Just as a point of information. Where available, the "Look inside" option on the Amazon website (I mostly use the UK version, since that's where I'm currently resident so I have an account there) is often useful for figuring out page numbers, especially if you search for unusual words or phrases that appear on the relevant page on Google Books. FDW777 (talk) 16:23, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. However, I've never been lucky with the "Look inside" option. I tried it on The Destiny of the Soldiers and it told me Paddy McGrath was in chapter 8, but not which page. Can you offer any advice to Palisades1? You're much more active than I am at the moment. Scolaire (talk) 11:42, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it's not a foolproof method. WP:CITEHOW does say when citing books to cite the page number or chapter, probably reflecting the increasing popularity of ebooks and the lack of page numbers on certain ebook platforms. FDW777 (talk) 13:56, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

@Palisades1: If you're logged in, it would be polite to respond to this discussion, instead of just leaving more requests for help on other people's talk pages. Scolaire (talk) 11:57, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Patrick McGrath

I thought I did thank that person. I will do it again now. ThanksPalisades1 (talk) 20:48, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Patrick McGrath article

Yep I thanked BEG. See below.

Thanks very much for looking at the article and pointing me to the Irish Times story. I wish Id seen that article before I submitted the McGrath article! Im working on adding some wording to make the article more significant, I will resubmit it when I do that.

One question: I'm interested in the six IRA men executed during "the Emergency". Do you think one page on the executed IRA men from 1939-40 would be better than individual pages? A page on all six could highlight some of the existing issues with the neutral government, the Republican movement etc while providing the biographical info on the executed men.

Again, thanks. Palisades1 (talk) 16:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Palisades1 (talk • contribs)