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*:To me at least, the distinction between "rally" and "protest" [[Demonstration (political)|seems negligible]]. YMMV. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 02:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC) |
*:To me at least, the distinction between "rally" and "protest" [[Demonstration (political)|seems negligible]]. YMMV. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 02:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC) |
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*::Rallies are like voting '''Support''' (happy, proud, "in", collegiate, loyal). Protests are pretty much tied to '''Oppose''' (sad, disgusted, "out", rowdy, primal). I guess demonstrations are neutral, at least till you get there and listen up on what everyone wants and when. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 03:09, 19 July 2021 (UTC) |
*::Rallies are like voting '''Support''' (happy, proud, "in", collegiate, loyal). Protests are pretty much tied to '''Oppose''' (sad, disgusted, "out", rowdy, primal). I guess demonstrations are neutral, at least till you get there and listen up on what everyone wants and when. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 03:09, 19 July 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' I think a more neutral phrase should be used which includes supporting and opposing actions.--<samp>[[User:Sa.vakilian|Seyyed]]([[User talk:Sa.vakilian|t]]-[[Special:Contributions/Sa.vakilian|c]])</samp> 09:32, 19 July 2021 (UTC) |
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Open Championship
Blurb: In golf, Collin Morikawa wins the Open Championship. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Calidum (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Compy90 (talk · give credit) and Nigej (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: The Open Championship is listed on ITNR. 2021_Open_Championship#Final_round contains a referenced, four-paragraphed summary of the final round. (My apologies if I missed an editor who updated the article.) -- Calidum 00:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Ongoing: Cuban protests
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Guardian, WaPo
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ajñavidya (talk · give credit), BSMRD (talk · give credit), Skim127 (talk · give credit), Davide King (talk · give credit) and BeŻet (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Article recently rolled off Main Page; event is still ongoing. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 20:19, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support per nom. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 21:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support There still appears to be protests that are in favor of the demonstrators that are still occuring primarily in the United States. – Skim (talk • contribs) 21:27, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the last update about protests in the article is on the 12th. On the 14th some cell phone footage of a police raid is not a protest. On the 17th a pro-government demonstration is not a protest. "Solidarity" protests in Miami are LOL since those people already fled Cuba and have precisely ZERO effect on their former homeland. In short, there is not a "continuously updated Wikipedia article about a story which is itself also frequently in the news" as stipulated by the requirements Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section --LaserLegs (talk) 22:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Per nom, and IMO a counter-protest is still a protest.Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:42, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose A pro-government or pro-protestor rally is a pro-government or pro-protestor rally, no sort of protest, and Florida is Florida (no matter how many Cubans move in). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- To me at least, the distinction between "rally" and "protest" seems negligible. YMMV. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Rallies are like voting Support (happy, proud, "in", collegiate, loyal). Protests are pretty much tied to Oppose (sad, disgusted, "out", rowdy, primal). I guess demonstrations are neutral, at least till you get there and listen up on what everyone wants and when. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:09, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- To me at least, the distinction between "rally" and "protest" seems negligible. YMMV. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I think a more neutral phrase should be used which includes supporting and opposing actions.--Seyyed(t-c) 09:32, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
2021 Tour de France
Blurb: In cycling, Tadej Pogačar wins the Tour de France. (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Tone (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: The main article is brief but contains the essentials. There are two stage articles where there is a detailed stage-by-stage summaries, so the Tour is well covered overall. Tone 17:53, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The article still needs a race overview with information extracted from the detailed stage-by-stage summaries as it is the case with the 2019 edition. As for the race, I am a Roglič fan who acknowledges that this was one of the most dominant victories in Tour's modern history.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:42, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- I think that the recent introduction additions (2nd paragraph) cover the main details of the overall race, thus meeting the requirements for the prose summary. The 2019 is pretty much a GA candidate already. And yes, too bad Roglič crashed out early, imagine the mountain stages with him intact! Looking forward for the Olympics race. --Tone 08:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Philip Sherry
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Newshub.co.nz
Credits:
- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)
- Created by Lcmortensen (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: new article, but fully referenced and covers his life and achievements MurielMary (talk) 12:15, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Presumably the nominator wishes to target Philip Sherry article. – Sca (talk) 12:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - start class new article, well referenced, suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 19:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Share and "Sherry Like" I worked hard for that pun, and regardless of anyone's feelings there, the article makes perfect sense and we know it does, so "hit the ice" and "drop it". InedibleHulk (talk) 23:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 01:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Mumtaz Bhutto
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Geo,The News Int and DAWN
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Ainty Painty (talk) 11:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - Several missing refs and cn tags.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 00:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
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Hong Kong University Students' Union investigation
Blurb: 2021 appreciation of police assailant and derecognition by the university (Post)
News source(s): South China Morning Post
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Sameboat (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: After retracting and apologizing over the controversial "appreciating the police assailant" motion, the Hong Kong government shows strong determination to investigate the students' union committee members on ground of possible violation of the national security law. Even though without making any apprehension yet, the committee members are told not to flee Hong Kong or face interception. The school council's derecognizing the students' union is also followed suit by other local universities, leaving an ever more uncertain future of all university students' union in Hong Kong, as virtually all students' union committees in Hong Kong are very critical of the Chinese government and played certain major roles in the mass pro-democracy protests in recent years. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 04:22, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding – but has an investigation actually concluded, or even began? In any case the article has not been updated regarding an investigation or any arrests, needs some major prose copyediting, and has several unsourced sections. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:50, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: David Randall
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent; The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Only reported today (July 17); died earlier this week. —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:27, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Short article but has references in all the right places, suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 20:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support per above. Despite being a start-class article, it's fully sourced, and it's enough for a RD.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 01:00, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 07:04, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The article is inconsistent on his death date. The lead sentence says July 2021, the infobox has 11 July 2021, and the body says "He died during the week of 11–17 July 2021". I'm note sure what is a the WP convention when cited sourced don't mention a specific date, but the article should at least be consistent.—Bagumba (talk) 08:07, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: fixed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: George Curtis
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky Sports,
Credits:
- Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Legend of Coventry City F.C., both for his time as a player and as the joint manager on our greatest day in the 1987 FA Cup Final. Article is stubby at present but I'll aim to expand it today. — Amakuru (talk) 11:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Amakuru, only one missing ref. I think it's easy to fix. SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 01:02, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Dolores Claman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC,
Credits:
- Nominated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Composer of Canada's unofficial second national anthem, the Hockey Night in Canada theme song. (That probably sounds like a joke to non-Canadians, but it isn't a joke; it's in her obit.) Also composed the province of Ontario's unofficial anthem. Article was already in decent shape before her death, and has been updated; should meet RD requirements. Death announced on this date. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:12, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support – article is well-referenced; now meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN after my edits. —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:17, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 09:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Ready for RD.BabbaQ (talk) 10:22, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support article is well written and referenced. TapticInfo (talk) 11:55, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 13:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Christoph Strasser becomes the first person to cycle more than 1000 km in 24 hours
Blurb: Christoph Strasser becomes the first person to cycle more than 1000 km in 24 hours (Post)
News source(s): ORF
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Need to check if this record is more general, it could be that no person has ever traveled more than 1000 km in 24 hours using any unassisted method (no forms of mechanical or natural propulsion such as engines or wind allowed) before. Count Iblis (talk) 04:46, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment
That is one of the worst articles I have ever seen.It's not getting posted in this state. Mlb96 (talk) 07:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, it does need a "bit of work". He must get very tired, though. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- The article is now slightly better. Still not even close to main page standards, though. Mlb96 (talk) 18:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality article needs massive sourcing improvement. Also, it's not clear from the article who's actually ratifying that this is a record (Guiness World Records, UCI)? Joseph2302 (talk) 08:09, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- That's true. His 2017 record was ratified by Guinness World Records: [1]. But it seems this one has yet to be included. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:06, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, also, this seems a rather niche record. --Tone 08:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Most racing sports track a 24-hour distance record. Admittedly, some are better-known than others. --Carnildo (talk) 08:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- True. What I wanted to say is that ITN typically posts only the most "famous" records, such as the 100m and marathon, as well as breaking of the athletics records that have stood for a long time. With the Olympics just a week ahead, all sorts of records are bound to be broken. As for cycling, we have the Tour de France concluding today, which is ITNR. --Tone 09:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Most racing sports track a 24-hour distance record. Admittedly, some are better-known than others. --Carnildo (talk) 08:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Article is just not good enough for the main page.
- Oppose Quality of Article is not good enough. If an Infobox and better structure is implemented, I would support the article. TapticInfo (talk) 11:52, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Box added. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment, Count Iblis, why not make a few edits to improve it? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- I see that you already put in a lot of work, I'll see what I can do. Count Iblis (talk) 09:14, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Micro-niche sports footnote. Sca (talk) 12:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Most ardent oppose in every way, but especially because we barely post records in established disciplines, let alone first timed go at [arbitrary distance] in [arbitrary time]. Not to mention the lack of any news coverage - the source seems to be a personal/industry record page, and a google of his name doesn't even bring up the Wikipedia article. Great. Personally, having being to the German article and seen the quality of sources there, I'd actually AfD this bio: entirely SPS or PASSINGMENTION for the few legit sources, most still unsourced self-promo. Nothing about this is getting to MP. Kingsif (talk) 13:42, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Shucks. So my efforts at improvements, whether this gets to Main page or not, have been a complete waste of time. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- We posted Eliud Kipchoge's running the first ever sub-2 hour marathon, but that's more established than this. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 14:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Slightly cheating as he ran inside an X of teammates, who rotated and didn't run the whole distance (obviously), and followed a laser grid going exactly half marathon an hour, lased from a shield car, so not the official marathon record, still extremely hard to do (the first attempt with a top of the field marathoner in a box of mates behind a laser car with a clock on the back failed, at 2 hours 0 minutes 25 seconds) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'd suggest it failed at 2 hours. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Pretty sure the laser reached an insurmountable lead before 2 hours. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Be all of that as it may, it was still the first sub-2 hour running of a marathon distance, which we (rightfully, IMO, without comment for this submission) posted. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 16:43, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- 2 hours is the holy grail of distance running records, twice is fine. Betcha there'd be fewer supports from cricket nations though if someone breaks the no dope homer (non-bouncing boundary) record (61) but not official (73, held by that ex-slim man who looked like a bodybuilder in his 40s (before mandatory drug testing). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:27, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'd suggest it failed at 2 hours. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Conventional bicycles are poor for such records because they have too much drag. With better aerodynamics, the record was over 1200 km already – see List of cycling records#24 Hours record. Cycle races such as the Tour de France have lots of homologation rules to compel the use of the traditional inefficient design. For example, the UCI defines a bicycle as "a vehicle with two wheels of equal diameter". Hah! Andrew🐉(talk) 16:37, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- UCI records are more famous than absolute though, probably due to the fame of races like the tours and the Olympics. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, drat. I'm all for gay rights and all, but "homologation rules" sound a bit extreme. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Looks cooler in Italian. i.e. gran turismo omologato Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Il campione del mondo! – Sca (talk) 22:23, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Looks cooler in Italian. i.e. gran turismo omologato Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Titane wins Palme d'Or
Blurb: At the Cannes Film Festival, French-Belgian Titane wins the Palme d'Or. (Post)
News source(s): [2], [3]
Credits:
- Nominated by Grammar SWAT認字特警 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Cinemacriterion (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cinemacriterion (talk · give credit) and Joliv464 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: It's Palme d'Or Grammar SWAT認字特警 (talk) 02:53, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now, barely more than a stub. Yes it's a new film, but surely there's more that can be said about it. And is it possible to add a plot paragraph? Joseph2302 (talk) 08:07, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – per Joseph. Stubby 275-word article completely lacks plot/storyline description. – Sca (talk) 13:04, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- From what I gather, there wasn't much plot, if that's any help. Kingsif (talk) 13:45, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Biz Markie
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 00:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support: good article, lots of references, cannot see any problems at first glance. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – five paragraphs and discography section unsourced. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support: culturally significant especially considering his collaborations with Beastie Boys. CaffeinAddict (talk) 23:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose lots more citations needed, particularly the whole Discography section. As this is an RD nomination, how "important" they are isn't relevant, article quality is the only thing that determines whether this goes on the front page. And the article quality is currently insufficient. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:12, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- I cited the discography section where needed. The other paragraphs still need work. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 19:20, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Yeeno and Joseph2302:, all cn tags resolved.. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:42, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- I cited the discography section where needed. The other paragraphs still need work. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 19:20, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - No cn tags or missing refs (as far as I can see), and the article is good enough for a RD (actually, it's better than most articles we post).--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 01:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – lists of 5 studio albums and 6 of the 8 compilations remain uncited. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:57, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Bloom6132, I thought those weren't sourced because the articles are sufficient. I'm adding the AllMusic citations now. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:18, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu: My previous noms on musicians were expected to have a fully-cited discography (most notably Doug Supernaw last November). I'd typically provide the artist's album discography ref from AllMusic, either as a general ref at the top or repeat it for each entry (as I did with Patrick Sky last month). —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:16, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 07:07, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support – article is well-referenced; meets minimum ITN requirements. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:16, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Oh snap. RIP.—Bagumba (talk) 08:10, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Harry M. Rosenfeld
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; Associated Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 23:46, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article looks fine and ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:21, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 18:09, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: José Mª Gay de Liébana
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Periódico
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Spanish popular economist. Article is ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support – added ISBN for the only uncited work. Apart from that, article is well-referenced; meets minimum ITN requirements. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:39, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Per above. Fully sourced. Enough for a RD.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:40, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 05:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Danish Siddiqui
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, Washington Post, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by 2405:201:7000:AB4C:3366:CC46:922A:D87 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Pulitzer Prize-winning Reuters photojournalist covering the Afgan war 2405:201:7000:AB4C:3366:CC46:922A:D87 (talk) 11:44, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose It's a little short; could do with some expansion.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:30, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support everything in the article is cited. NorthernFalcon (talk) 21:44, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:00, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment good enough for RD, have marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 17:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Five people arrested over racist abuse of English footballers
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Blurb: Five people are arrested over racist abuse of English footballers after UEFA Euro 2020 Final. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Article updated
- Unfortunately it's not even a comma, much less a conclusion. Leaky caldron (talk) 08:40, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose we don't post arrests, much less of common criminals who are the scum of the earth. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:01, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose good that action is being taken, but we don't post arrests, as it violates WP:BLPCRIME. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Nothing against posting scum, if warranted. An arrest is not even a charge, let alone a conviction. Not even an Oxford comma, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Gira Sarabhai
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Nizil Shah (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit) and Kill joyarchivist (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Might require some copyediting. Nizil (talk) 06:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Looks sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 10:23, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 12:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jean Kraft
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Opera News
Credits:
- Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 4meter4 (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Mezzo-soprano with almost 800 performances at the Metropolitan Opera, - detailed article by creator, little work updating. There may be more obits, but as her career ended a while ago, I expect no major changes. Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Fully sourced. Good to go.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:43, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 01:37, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Hugo F. Sonnenschein
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Sun-Times; University of Chicago
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
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Bloom6132 (talk) 17:16, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks fine. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The infobox mentions affiliations with various institutions besides Purdue U and U of Chicago, and also shows a list of former students. Should these be mentioned in the prose with refs, please? Many things must have happened between his PhD in 1964 and his Provost job at Princeton in 1988. --PFHLai (talk) 02:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:38, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Looking great! Thank you for the quick addition. Posted --PFHLai (talk) 12:28, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ebrahim Desai
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Baseerat Urdu]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by TheAafi (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article updated. Subject was a well-known Mufti. There's however a lack of sources but everything is well-cited.─ The Aafī (talk) 03:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC) ─ The Aafī (talk) 03:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - No major citing flaws. Good to go.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 03:51, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support, looks fine. - Owais Talk 05:35, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 02:30, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
RD/Blurb: Peter R. de Vries
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Dutch investigative journalist Peter R. de Vries (pictured) dies at the age of 64, nine days after being shot in the head in Amsterdam. (Post)
News source(s): NU, NU (profile), NOS, AD SkyNews Reuters Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by SportsOlympic (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: After he has been shot it had been national news since. Even the King commented with: "This is an attack on journalism and an attack on the Rechtsstaat (rule of law)". (I doubt for a nomination for "ITN candidate", but this information is not yet mentioned in the article, and therefore not good enough for ITN Candidate in my opinion.) SportsOlympic (talk) 12:25, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is cited well enough for RD purposes. rawmustard (talk) 13:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The page Murder of Peter R. de Vries has been created. SportsOlympic (talk) 13:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Why is a separate article needed? All that's in that can go into the biographic article. --Masem (t) 14:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Masem: That's not a discussion for here, it's just a start of an article that will be expanded. The assassination will have a long aftermath and will have an impact on crime in the Netherlands, the security of people and the general rule of law. As the article already mention, it has a large political impact that should have its own article. Another examples: Murder of Derk Wiersum / Kidnapping of Freddy Heineken. SportsOlympic (talk) 14:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- That's all WP:CRYSTAL, however, and if at such a time that coverage of the post-death overwhelms the bio, then it could be expanded. This could also be a simple open/closed court case given the suspects were quickly caught. It impacts this nomination since the story about his death should be covered in depth on the bio page. --Masem (t) 14:21, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Masem: That's not a discussion for here, it's just a start of an article that will be expanded. The assassination will have a long aftermath and will have an impact on crime in the Netherlands, the security of people and the general rule of law. As the article already mention, it has a large political impact that should have its own article. Another examples: Murder of Derk Wiersum / Kidnapping of Freddy Heineken. SportsOlympic (talk) 14:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Why is a separate article needed? All that's in that can go into the biographic article. --Masem (t) 14:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support The death of Peter R. de Vries is cited by numerous international news agencies as top story. --TheDutchViewer (talk) 14:13, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- I would actually support a blurb although the assassination article linked to above is not ready for main page right now. -- KTC (talk) 14:30, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb Given the impact in the Netherlands and elsewhere - Simeon (talk) 14:54, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose RD, support blurb only. This is why blurbs exist, he did not pass away quietly in his sleep, there is a story here that needs additional elaboration, and this is the type of situation, where the blurb is needed to provide additional context for the death. Agnostic on which article to highlight, though his biography article is in better condition overall than the one on his murder. --Jayron32 15:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb The story here is the murder so we should go with a blurb once the article documenting it is improved.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb, pending expansion Sure, de Vries could get RD. But the story is the murder, and is being covered as such in the news (rather than obits, coverage is crime-focused) - wait for the Murder of Peter R. de Vries article to be fully fleshed-out (there will be much more crime and investigation detail to go there than is really due at the de Vries article). And I would probably agree with Jayron that posting him to RD before then, would make it seem less of a news story when blurb posted, so would consider not doing that. Kingsif (talk) 18:18, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- The murder does not need to be a separate page at the time, that's the thing. They caught the suspects, so there's almost no investigation needed. At the present time, it is better if the stuff in the murder article was merged into the bio article so that we're not waiting on the murder article to be developed to post. At a future point, if there's a lot of issues related to the trial of these suspects or other aftermath, then a separate article may be warranted, but this wasn't like a crime that the police are still trying to figure out who pulled it off or looking for a known suspect. --Masem (t) 18:22, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- That is your opinion. This is not the place to start this discussion. SportsOlympic (talk) 19:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- The murder does not need to be a separate page at the time, that's the thing. They caught the suspects, so there's almost no investigation needed. At the present time, it is better if the stuff in the murder article was merged into the bio article so that we're not waiting on the murder article to be developed to post. At a future point, if there's a lot of issues related to the trial of these suspects or other aftermath, then a separate article may be warranted, but this wasn't like a crime that the police are still trying to figure out who pulled it off or looking for a known suspect. --Masem (t) 18:22, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb in principle if and only if Murder of Peter R. de Vries actually adds some decent content e.g. some background or details about what actually happened. Right now, it's just a list of reactions, not much about the event itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- BLPCRIME We should be careful about attaching these untried suspects to an unproven "murder" so soon in Wikivoice, regardless of whether we will. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have moved the page to Killing of Peter R. de Vries for this exact reason. Also, I changed the link in the proposed blurb to the new link (I'm unsure if this is appropriate etiquette) --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 19:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb As it is a notable person getting murdered, where the murder has its own article.Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb in principle, oppose on quality Supporting blurb death under the "death itself is the story" principle. Oppose on quality because both articles have significant uncited sections. NorthernFalcon (talk) 23:45, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose There are several tags in both articles. Hanamanteo (talk) 00:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, Support RD. I don't think this is worthy of a blurb, frankly. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 00:46, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Conditional support - I would support a blurb, but none of the articles are ready. de Vries article is not even ready for a RD.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 04:01, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Blurb Major attack on journalism. Killed in notable event, had a notable career. Isn't subject to Thatcher/Mandela standard due to circumstances of death and its implications. DrewieStewie (talk) 07:30, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose either quantity of CNs and dead links is too high to post now. Neutral on blurb once those get cleaned up. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:25, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb Once article fixes its cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose – With my background, I was very interested in this story, and in the career of Mr. de Vries. However, I hadn't heard of him before he was killed – probably because I'm not European, and because AFAIK his work was confined to one country. So I'm a bit dubious about blurb-level significance in this instance. – Sca (talk) 19:09, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support both Notable, unusual event covered in international newspapers, thus significant enough. I don't see any major issues which would be enough to disqualify this from consideration (the few cn tags can likely be fixed - none of them seem to be for any contentious matter, afaics). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb once issues sorted. Having said that, "being shot in the head" sounds almost prurient in this context - "is assassinated" would be fine. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Assassinated = dead. He wasn't dead until nine days later. – Sca (talk) 22:29, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Sca, think of US president James Garfield and press secretary James Brady: Garfield took a few months to go down from assassination, and Brady took over 30 years to die. DrewieStewie (talk) 01:16, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- And there's [redacted], whose leaders were poisoned so gradually even their assassins weren't quite sure it wasn't just a coincidence in the end. I like "shot", at least, if not "in the head". Lets readers know the assassins didn't use poison (or a bomb or a sword or a fishing trip). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Sca, think of US president James Garfield and press secretary James Brady: Garfield took a few months to go down from assassination, and Brady took over 30 years to die. DrewieStewie (talk) 01:16, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Assassinated = dead. He wasn't dead until nine days later. – Sca (talk) 22:29, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Two of three paragraphs in Killing of Peter R. de Vries#Background have no footnotes at all. Please address the {cn} tags. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 17:33, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- This is partially why the killing as a separate article makes no sense at this time. The only new material in that is the Reactions section, the rest is basically covered in the bio article. Maybe in the future, a separate article might be warranted if the trial of those suspect is a media circus, but right now, separating the killing event from the bio when it was such an "open and shut" case is not helping towards posting. --Masem (t) 17:36, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Peter R. de Vries#Bibliography needs more refs, please. The section on the Kidnapping of Freddy Heineken, too. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 17:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2021 European floods
Blurb: At least 48 people have died and many more are missing following severe floods in Germany. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At least 48 people have died and many more are missing following severe floods across western Europe.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters, dpa
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Maxime12346 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Joseywales1961 (talk · give credit), Keepcalmandexplore (talk · give credit) and Joseph2302 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Still a stub. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
If accepted, this should include other countries as well: e.g. in Belgium there are at least 6 dead[4] and probably more to come sadly. Fram (talk) 11:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Widely covered. Developing. – Sca (talk) 12:09, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Oppose for now. Too stubby for the main page.If this is expanded sufficiently, with proper depth of coverage and properly referenced, consider this a support vote. --Jayron32 12:12, 15 July 2021 (UTC)- Reportedly they have been finding more bodies as the floodwaters recede. [5] – Sca (talk) 12:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how this addresses my concerns, but thanks for sharing? --Jayron32 12:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Toll likely to rise over time, thus significance. – Sca (talk) 13:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Again, I don't remember bringing that up, so it has no bearing on my opposition. --Jayron32 16:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- There are significant and ongoing soil disturbances you didn't consider when addressing the stubbiness, too, aren't there? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:45, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Again, I don't remember bringing that up, so it has no bearing on my opposition. --Jayron32 16:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Toll likely to rise over time, thus significance. – Sca (talk) 13:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how this addresses my concerns, but thanks for sharing? --Jayron32 12:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Change to full support. Article has been improved sufficiently. --Jayron32 18:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Reportedly they have been finding more bodies as the floodwaters recede. [5] – Sca (talk) 12:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment at the moment it's a stub would support per Jayron32 if it were to be sufficiently expanded (PS I didn't really update the article much, just tidied it up a bit when it showed up on NPP) JW 1961 Talk 13:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support pending article improvement. Lots of people have died in this flooding event which according to the sources is an extremely rare one in a hundred year event (and that according to the climate of a few decades ago that already includes some of the global warming effects due to our CO2 emissions). Count Iblis (talk) 15:03, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Suppport - Article already in development, topic highly in the news at the moment. —PaleoNeonate – 15:54, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment there's quite a bit more that can be added (de.wiki has a nice article if we can get any German speakers). In a few hours, I think the article will likely be in a good enough state. Definitely notable enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:26, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support quality looks good enough now. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:49, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support when article ready, some of the damage looks more like a tsunami than a slow rise (which isn't surprising as the rainiest 12 hours rained a quarter meter) Some well built-looking buildings and cobblestone roads smashed into rubble here Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:46, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support because the floods are significant enough to post and the article is of sufficient quality. Jim Michael (talk) 18:33, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Also main news in the Netherlands. SportsOlympic (talk) 19:25, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support very notable and the article is in good shape. It seems that the situation is likely to get worse. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:28, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Though the weather in the UK is blissful, this is the main story. An entire city in Belgium has been evacuated, too, and the Netherlands are on warning, so maybe the blurb shouldn't name Germany. Kingsif (talk) 21:07, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Death toll now "at least 65". Angela Merkel has called the flooding "a catastrophe". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:34, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support – in principle – pending somewhat more detail. The existing 885-word article is about 40 percent devoted to 'Response,' led by Merkel's "catastrophe" quote – which itself is notable enough, given that it's primarily Germany that was affected. Much of the balance of 'Response' is predictable and expendable pol talk. That leaves us with around 600 words of descriptive text, still perhaps a bit on the thin side for ITN. – Sca (talk) 22:09, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Wait One CN tag, and an unknown amount missing, particularly about missing people beyond the Eifel. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:28, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 00:10, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support when ready - A no-brainer. This is making headlines around the world and are the biggest floods in Western Europe in decades.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 04:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted:
Severe floods result in at least 70 deaths across western Europe.
--PFHLai (talk) 04:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC) - Comment More than 120 dead now, can we update the blurb? Yakikaki (talk) 12:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, article now has 127. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Number of missing is not 1300. The 1300 figure came about as a result of a mobile phone outage causing local authorities to not be able to verify the whereabouts of 1300 people. These are then 1300 people who are unaccounted for due to the circumstances, but they are not really missing. Count Iblis (talk) 14:10, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: The headline ("missing of 1300 people") is misleading. Not only I can confirm that for a short while, those numbers were raised/mentioned in the media because of broken mobile/telephone-infrastructure in a certain area. (Source: in german: by the spiegel (which is acknowledged by the english wikipedia). If you would like to the check the source for yourself you can do that with translation-addons. I ask those with ITN-authorization to remove those missing numbers and update the death toll (over 150 people) now. --LennBr (talk) 10:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Reuters on Saturday put toll at 157. – Sca (talk) 12:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Muhammad Muhsin Khan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Cognate
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheAafi (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: died on 14 July. Ainty Painty (talk) 08:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose I updated the article but it isn't worth the ITN in its current condition. I couldn't find more information. It fails ITN because DYK-helper shows it is still a stub. ─ The Aafī (talk) 03:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Not notable. Grimes2 (talk) 09:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Grimes2: Notability is not what matters for inclusion in RD, but the quality of the article. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: There are less than 1600 characters in the prose. And the Works section needs more refs. --PFHLai (talk) 21:25, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted): RD: Sergio Silvagni
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Australian Rules Footballer for the Carlton Football Club HiLo48 (talk) 08:12, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - Some lines missing refs, but it seems easy to fix.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 04:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ready - Just did some tidying and added some refs. Looks OK to me. HiLo48 (talk) 02:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support There's an unsourced high school shot put victory, but who cares? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:51, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- That is actually sourced, in the same source provided for the 440 yard record immediately preceding. HiLo48 (talk) 06:29, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 16:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Dawn Foster
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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- Nominated by Blythwood (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Journalist. Seems mostly OK but there is dispute over her date of birth. I doubt I have much time to edit the article this weekend. Blythwood (talk) 17:53, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - Mostly sourced, but some pivotal information are unsourced or poorly sourced, so I have to oppose per WP:BLP.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 01:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
July 14
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RD: Ricki Wertz
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pittsburgh Post-Gazette; Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
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Bloom6132 (talk) 11:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- This wikibio is a little short, but still okay, coverage-wise. Refs seem adequate. Ready for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 19:26, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Fully sourced and ready to go.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 01:13, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sam Belnavis
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NASCAR; CBS Sports
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 06:03, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Start-class article and fully sourced.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 01:14, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted: It's a bit short (not quite 2400 characters of prose), but still okay. --PFHLai (talk) 03:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Dick Tidrow
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle; Associated Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Only reported today (July 14); died on July 10 (i.e. provable gap of at least two days) —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:21, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Ready to go. Fully sourced.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 04:13, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Christian Boltanski
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde; France 24 (Agence France-Presse); Artforum
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 22:38, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Fully sourced. Good to go.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD/Blurb: Mamnoon Hussain
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former president of Pakistan Mamnoon Hussain (pictured) dies at the age of 80. (Post)
News source(s): Dawn
Credits:
- Nominated by Depressed Desi (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former President of Pakistan Depressed Desi (talk) 18:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Weaksupport The last line of the Political career section is unsourced (although it could be deleted because it doesn't seem very noticeable to me). It would be great, also, if that section could be expanded, especially detailing a bit what he did as president. I don't know if he was important enough to have a blurb. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- I've deleted the unsourced line and it is now ready to be posted in RD. Not in blurb because of what the colleagues say below. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support as it is good enough for RD, but Oppose blurb, per this sentence in the lede: "Hussain maintained a low-key profile as President and his role was rarely seen in the nation's politics, although he was involved in a Polio eradication program."Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:16, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb for "the ceremonial head of state of Pakistan". In Pakistan, the Prime Minister has the authority. Lets not get fixated on the expression "head of state" and instead see if it actually means something. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb per LaserLegs; RD quality is just about there, with only one piece of trivia uncited at the end of the article. Per Alsoriano97, I'd wait a few hours to see if someone will fix that, otherwise I'd delete the sentence and post as RD. NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted as RD -- No blurb. --PFHLai (talk) 10:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Lightning strikes in India
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: At least 76 people across India were killed by lightning strikes in a single weekend (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian,BBC,CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Afif Brika1 (talk · give credit)
Oppose because the storms don't have an article. Jim Michael (talk) 10:10, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as per Jim Michael. If it's important enough to be on ITN, then it would be important enough to have its own article, and for that article to have significantly more information than the three sentences listed on that section. Until an article demonstrating its importance is created and sufficiently good quality, we shouldn't be considering this. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
July 13
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(Posted): RD: Shirley Fry
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; Reuters; International Tennis Hall of Fame
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 09:03, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- This nom looks ready for RD to me. --PFHLai (talk) 22:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Agree (American tennis player). InedibleHulk (talk) 19:01, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Agree Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:12, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- I also agree, and have marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- I no longer strongly agree, three headers violate MOS:NUMERAL (but whatever, go with it). InedibleHulk (talk) 20:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 02:24, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Margaret Richardson (lawyer)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 08:24, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - The article is fully sourced, and it's good enough for a RD.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:49, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:30, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Emma Bunton marries Jade Jones
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Emma Bunton marries Jade Jones (Post)
News source(s): Instagram
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose and close please. This is beyond a joke. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Not significant enough to justify the nomination of ITN. Wedding can be happen everyday. 36.77.92.164 (talk) 21:41, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Yashpal Sharma (cricketer)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, Cricinfo
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit) and Ktin (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Important member of Indian team which won the 1983 Cricket World Cup. Abishe (talk) 08:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment There's a few unsourced statements in his bio (which I've tagged), and I'm not sure why the one-line on his death needs four sources. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Added references to the three CN tags that remained on the page. In addition, I also trimmed the sources on the death section as requested by @Lugnuts: above. Meets homepage hygiene. If additional edits are required, please feel free to let know. RIP. Ktin (talk) 18:12, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Seems a decent little article now with improvements made JW 1961 Talk 21:08, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 23:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
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NEW: Collapse of Siji Kaiyuan Hotel
Blurb: Part of a hotel building, in Jiangsu, China, collapsed, causing 17 death and 5 injured. (Post)
News source(s): Collapse of Siji Kaiyuan Hotel
Credits:
- Nominated by 173.68.165.114 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
173.68.165.114 (talk) 06:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: This article is stubby (not even 300 words of prose). Please expand this article. In particular, the background section is rather thin and unreferenced. --PFHLai (talk) 19:09, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Paul Orndorff
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Professional wrestler. Didnt see his nomination here, hence nominating. Might require some assistance in getting the article to homepage / RD levels of hygiene. Ktin (talk) 18:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support May have fewer unreferenced sections than Paulose II, and is undoubtedly the bigger name. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:42, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comments: A stronger article than Paulose II's, but both need to improve sourcing. I've put in a few {cn} tags -- things like getting fired, failing a physical, getting to a Hall of Fame, etc. should be ref'd. A few older refs appear to be deadlinks and may need to be replaced/updated. --PFHLai (talk) 03:34, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - Several cn tags and several statements without a single ref.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 08:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) New prime minister in Nepal
Blurb: Sher Bahadur Deuba (pictured) is designated by the Supreme Court as the new Prime Minister of Nepal. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bada Kaji (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Sher Bahadur Deuba's article is not bad, not ready either. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support finally a real story This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Oppose: The "Electoral history" section is unsourced. Also the "Controversy" section indicates to me that the article needs to be more thoroughly evaluated for BLP issues. The section only has one claim, backed up by one source, and the source doesn't even mention any sort of controversy surrounding the PMs statement. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 03:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support: Looks good to me now. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 18:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Bada Kaji (talk • श्रीमान् गम्भीर) 18:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support article looks good, and head of state changes are ITNR. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posting, nice work. --Tone 21:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Paulose II (Indian Orthodox Church)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Head of Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
SupportNo Paul Orndorff, but the article's wonderful enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)- Really? Paul Orndorff may have fewer unreferenced sections. --PFHLai (talk) 03:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- InedibleHulk, Sorry, but are you checking the articles before voicing your opinion? SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 08:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I am not a robot. When I'd looked, though, it looked better than when you did, and after. Still not terrible, in my opinion. Marked up, not ultratrustable, though not a hit piece. But yes, falling apart faster than it isn't, moves me to Weak Support. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:42, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - The article needs a lot of work. Several cn tags, two orange tags, etc.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 08:08, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose at least 6 places where sources are needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2021 South African protests
Blurb: In South Africa, protests break out over the jailing of former President Jacob Zuma. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In South Africa, protests over the jailing of former President Jacob Zuma result in 72 deaths and 1,200 arrests.
News source(s): BBC, Bloomberg, AP, Guardian, Reuters, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Scaramouche33 (talk · give credit)
- Created by TapticInfo (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Large scale protests, the government recently deployed the military to deal with the crisis Scaramouche33 (talk) 18:54, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Strong Wait Article's currently not pretty, chronologically mixed up and in the middle of a heavy 87-byte edit war. But it has potential. Just like any mass protest story. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:54, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Update there were two articles covering the events and now they have been merged Scaramouche33 (talk) 14:06, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I added 1 citation needed tag. Also, some of the named references aren't defined anywhere, so this will need fixing (so they point to the references that verify the content). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:12, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- I tried to fix the citation problems, how does it look now? Scaramouche33 (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - major protests, rioting, looting etc. with a high death toll that are being tackled by the military as well as police. The article is being rapidly improved. Jim Michael (talk) 17:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support worldwide news coverage of this, clearly ITN worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:37, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support I read about it today in local and national news, clearly something of importance. --LordPeterII (talk) 20:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support – in principle – pending updating of article to include 72 deaths, 1,200 arrests. Favor Alt1. – Sca (talk) 22:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Deaths and arrests have climbed extremely rapidly, therefore suggest original blurb to remove need for a ticker. Will likely end up as ongoing anyways. Albertaont (talk) 23:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support in principle (with the reported deaths and arrests) but Oppose on present quality as the deaths/arrests are currently only delegated into the infobox and should be part of the prose of the article. Everything else about the article seems fine, but these need to be in the body before we can post. --Masem (t) 23:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Sca, Masem, I have added deaths and arrest numbers to the lead and body. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support considering that the main issues appear to have been fixed. Alaexis¿question? 11:32, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Prominent second-day coverage. [6] [7] [8] Time to post. – Sca (talk) 12:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Marked attn. – Sca (talk) 18:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is looking much better than before. With the recent events including multiple lawsuits, criminal charges on politicians in the ANC and EFF and deployment of the army (SANDF), I think this article is almost ready.TapticInfo (talk) 21:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- For the nth time, it's already been posted: it's on the main page right now. Please now stop. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Edwin Edwards
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:
- Nominated by Mlb96 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former governor of Louisiana. Mlb96 (talk) 17:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose A lot of paragraphs are unsourced. Not ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Ongoing: Western North America heat wave
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS, France24, NBC, NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bri (talk · give credit) and Szmenderowiecki (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Previously featured as a blurb. Heat wave is still ongoing, and the article is up-to-date. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 01:22, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - was thinking about nominating this too, article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 01:47, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose This is a separate heat wave from the one that affected the Pac NW in late June. Additionally, while this wave is breaking temperatures, these are nowhere close to the deltas that the Pac NW one broke or led to the deaths that we saw in that one. (Yes there are wildfires attributed to it, but those are also normal for this season/weather in California and other Western states). --Masem (t) 03:32, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- It's less sigmas (deltas unimportant, as the number of degrees per standard deviation correlate with continentality (climatology term)) but if verified will be the new highest reliable temperature on Earth which is something so notable it should be posted if someone writes an article. A weather station in Death Valley also stayed above 107.7°F from Saturday to Monday which is the new high midnight-to-midnight low for the world outside of Oman (108.68°F, caused by most Arabian seawater being body temperature — the hottest in the world). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- We know global warming is happening, so there's no surprise to see record-breaking temperatures in places that are already generally known for the hottest temperatures on earth. The Pac NW was extremely unusual and led to numerous deaths because of its intensity and unusualness --Masem (t) 13:32, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- The real world record has only been broken a few times, I think it should be posted at least the first few times. And major landmarks like last Friday's first 130.0 in the world. And each multiple of 5 Celsius and Fahrenheit and the fake 134° if that ever happens. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- We can pretty much expect that the highest recorded temperature is going to be broken every year for the next several years given global warming. This isn't anything surprising. What would be newsworthy would be akin to another UN assessment of how the current Paris Agreement work is affecting if we will keep the global average under 2degC by 2030/35 or a similar international scientific study. --Masem (t) 19:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- The real world record has only been broken a few times, I think it should be posted at least the first few times. And major landmarks like last Friday's first 130.0 in the world. And each multiple of 5 Celsius and Fahrenheit and the fake 134° if that ever happens. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- We know global warming is happening, so there's no surprise to see record-breaking temperatures in places that are already generally known for the hottest temperatures on earth. The Pac NW was extremely unusual and led to numerous deaths because of its intensity and unusualness --Masem (t) 13:32, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- It's less sigmas (deltas unimportant, as the number of degrees per standard deviation correlate with continentality (climatology term)) but if verified will be the new highest reliable temperature on Earth which is something so notable it should be posted if someone writes an article. A weather station in Death Valley also stayed above 107.7°F from Saturday to Monday which is the new high midnight-to-midnight low for the world outside of Oman (108.68°F, caused by most Arabian seawater being body temperature — the hottest in the world). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose In the northern hemisphere it’s summer and there are heat waves in many places. Neither this one is more relevant (for now) than others nor a heat wave is exceptional wherever it is. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 06:49, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Breaking the real world temperature record of 129.9°F is important and no heat wave being exceptional whatever it is is laughable when there was a 2003 European heat wave which killed 70,000 people. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Not all heat waves cause deaths. If this one does, I will undoubtedly support this nomination. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 08:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Breaking the real world temperature record of 129.9°F is important and no heat wave being exceptional whatever it is is laughable when there was a 2003 European heat wave which killed 70,000 people. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose This is a separate heat wave event (different air masses participating even as the mechanism remains the same) and as such, must be treated separately. If, as some suggest, the heat wave in the SW US merits its own article and all-time records will be/were beaten, I'm fine to have that in the news. But we must have a separate article for that purpose. The one I've substantially expanded related to the heat wave that started around 25 June and finished by July 7 in Labrador. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 07:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The article doesn't indicate it's an ongoing heat wave any more as much of its content documents extreme temperatures and fatalities at the end of June with no daily updates recently. To put it simply, the timing for the nomination is bad.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- It's not the same heat wave, there is no article on this one which started in a different part of the West about the time the supposedly ongoing one left the continent's easternmost province in a significantly weakened condition. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:32, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – It's still doing what it's been doing, with the Beckworth complex of fires east of Chico spewing smoke far & wide, but essentially there's nothing new in that. Cough, cough. – Sca (talk) 13:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- A calendar day averaged 118.2°F in Stovepipe Wells, California which is a record (untied) for an Earth weather station. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Pfft, my stovepipe beats that every winter. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Is there a Canadian version of place names like Furnace Creek, California in Death Valley? Like Snowshoes Thud, Yukon, Foggy Bottom, BC or Polar Bear Froze, Nunavut? There's an Alaskan town called Deadhorse near the north end of the border and people would joke it's not just a name, it's a guarantee! Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Dry Alberta has Vulcan, Redwater and Smoky Lake. Soggy Ontario has Thunder Bay, Ball's Falls and Wawa. Further east, things get a bit Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!, what with the Dildo, Peggy's Cove, Witless Bay and all. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ah yes, Dildo. I wonder if the average Dildo man that comes from a long line of male Dildoers needs a phrase with a dildo in it to have an unusually high funniness level before they'll find it funny. Compared to similar men in the non-Dildo population (or non-Dildo region/-Newfoundland/-Eastern Canada) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- LOL, you said "region", good question! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:28, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ah yes, Dildo. I wonder if the average Dildo man that comes from a long line of male Dildoers needs a phrase with a dildo in it to have an unusually high funniness level before they'll find it funny. Compared to similar men in the non-Dildo population (or non-Dildo region/-Newfoundland/-Eastern Canada) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Dry Alberta has Vulcan, Redwater and Smoky Lake. Soggy Ontario has Thunder Bay, Ball's Falls and Wawa. Further east, things get a bit Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!, what with the Dildo, Peggy's Cove, Witless Bay and all. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Is there a Canadian version of place names like Furnace Creek, California in Death Valley? Like Snowshoes Thud, Yukon, Foggy Bottom, BC or Polar Bear Froze, Nunavut? There's an Alaskan town called Deadhorse near the north end of the border and people would joke it's not just a name, it's a guarantee! Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Pfft, my stovepipe beats that every winter. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- A calendar day averaged 118.2°F in Stovepipe Wells, California which is a record (untied) for an Earth weather station. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support still in the news, likely to be for a while longer. Banedon (talk) 01:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support, basically per User:Alsoriano97, given that it is now being reported across multiple venues that deaths in the hundreds are occurring due to the heat wave (see Forbes, The Guardian, The New York Times, KGW8 News, ABC News). I tend to agree that any event in which hundreds of people die, and further deaths appear likely, is ongoing news. BD2412 T 01:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Those are all "post-disaster" aftermaths, as there is no heat wave in the PacNW anymore, and we usually don't do followon to disasters like that. The heat wave in the Western states is a distinct weather system that would need a separate article to demonstrate ITN-ness. --Masem (t) 02:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps, then, what is needed is a single article (and item) on 2021 North American heat waves, since they are not unconnected events, and each one is setting records and causing deaths in its respective occurrance. BD2412 T 04:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- This latest one hasn't caused anywhere close to the number of heat-related deaths as the one in the PacNW. It would be SYNTH to link the events in the same article. --Masem (t) 04:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- What about something like a "List of 2021 North American heat waves"? I'm sure there are sources indicating that these are related, such as this article referencing both heat waves as part of an "overall global blocking pattern". BD2412 T 04:20, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- This latest one hasn't caused anywhere close to the number of heat-related deaths as the one in the PacNW. It would be SYNTH to link the events in the same article. --Masem (t) 04:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps, then, what is needed is a single article (and item) on 2021 North American heat waves, since they are not unconnected events, and each one is setting records and causing deaths in its respective occurrance. BD2412 T 04:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Too complicated. – Sca (talk) 12:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Those are all "post-disaster" aftermaths, as there is no heat wave in the PacNW anymore, and we usually don't do followon to disasters like that. The heat wave in the Western states is a distinct weather system that would need a separate article to demonstrate ITN-ness. --Masem (t) 02:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – As of Wednesday, more than 60 wildfires burning across U.S. West. Thousands of evacuations. – Sca (talk) 12:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep in mind that wildfires during this time of year in these areas are common. --Masem (t) 12:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- But not this intense. – Sca (talk) 18:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
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