diff --git a/cores/esp8266/Stream.h b/cores/esp8266/Stream.h
index f39bb423f2..322ada96d5 100644
--- a/cores/esp8266/Stream.h
+++ b/cores/esp8266/Stream.h
@@ -65,7 +65,7 @@ class Stream: public Print {
 
 // parsing methods
 
-        void setTimeout(unsigned long timeout);  // sets maximum milliseconds to wait for stream data, default is 1 second
+        virtual void setTimeout(unsigned long timeout);  // sets maximum milliseconds to wait for stream data, default is 1 second
         unsigned long getTimeout () const { return _timeout; }
 
         bool find(const char *target);   // reads data from the stream until the target string is found
diff --git a/libraries/ESP8266HTTPClient/examples/BasicHttpsClient/BasicHttpsClient.ino b/libraries/ESP8266HTTPClient/examples/BasicHttpsClient/BasicHttpsClient.ino
index 62bfc93a9a..3eb3c59acc 100644
--- a/libraries/ESP8266HTTPClient/examples/BasicHttpsClient/BasicHttpsClient.ino
+++ b/libraries/ESP8266HTTPClient/examples/BasicHttpsClient/BasicHttpsClient.ino
@@ -41,11 +41,33 @@ void loop() {
 
     std::unique_ptr<BearSSL::WiFiClientSecure> client(new BearSSL::WiFiClientSecure);
 
+#if 1  // 1=secure, 0=insecure
+
     client->setFingerprint(fingerprint_sni_cloudflaressl_com);
+
+    // date needs to be setup
+    configTime("UTC", "pool.ntp.org");
+    time_t now;
+    while (time(&now) < 24 * 3600) {
+      Serial.println("waiting for NTP time to be set...");
+      delay(1000);
+    }
+    Serial.printf("date: %s", ctime(&now));
+
+#else
     // Or, if you happy to ignore the SSL certificate, then use the following line instead:
-    // client->setInsecure();
+    client->setInsecure();
+#endif
 
     HTTPClient https;
+    https.setWallTime(10000);    // do not exceed 10s while getting data
+    client->setWallTime(20000);  // do not exceed 20s during handshake
+
+    // Try to reduce RAM footprint when SSL server allows it
+    constexpr int sslbufsize = 1024;
+    bool mfln = client->probeMaxFragmentLength(jigsaw_host, jigsaw_port, sslbufsize);
+    Serial.printf("Can reduce SSL footprint to %d bytes in RAM: %s\n", sslbufsize, mfln ? "yes" : "no");
+    if (mfln) { client->setBufferSizes(sslbufsize, sslbufsize); }
 
     Serial.print("[HTTPS] begin...\n");
     if (https.begin(*client, jigsaw_host, jigsaw_port)) {  // HTTPS
diff --git a/libraries/ESP8266HTTPClient/src/ESP8266HTTPClient.cpp b/libraries/ESP8266HTTPClient/src/ESP8266HTTPClient.cpp
index 480699e453..3e1a345e70 100644
--- a/libraries/ESP8266HTTPClient/src/ESP8266HTTPClient.cpp
+++ b/libraries/ESP8266HTTPClient/src/ESP8266HTTPClient.cpp
@@ -216,7 +216,7 @@ void HTTPClient::disconnect(bool preserveClient)
         }
 
         if(_reuse && _canReuse) {
-            DEBUG_HTTPCLIENT("[HTTP-Client][end] tcp keep open for reuse\n");
+            DEBUG_HTTPCLIENT("[HTTP-Client][end] tcp kept open for reuse\n");
         } else {
             DEBUG_HTTPCLIENT("[HTTP-Client][end] tcp stop\n");
             if(_client) {
@@ -303,15 +303,12 @@ void HTTPClient::setAuthorization(String auth)
 }
 
 /**
- * set the timeout for the TCP connection
+ * set the wall time for operations
  * @param timeout unsigned int
  */
-void HTTPClient::setTimeout(uint16_t timeout)
+void HTTPClient::setWallTime(unsigned long wallTime)
 {
-    _tcpTimeout = timeout;
-    if(connected()) {
-        _client->setTimeout(timeout);
-    }
+    _wallTime.reset(wallTime?: esp8266::polledTimeout::oneShotMs::neverExpires);
 }
 
 /**
@@ -794,8 +791,6 @@ bool HTTPClient::connect(void)
         return false;
     }
 
-    _client->setTimeout(_tcpTimeout);
-
     if(!_client->connect(_host.c_str(), _port)) {
         DEBUG_HTTPCLIENT("[HTTP-Client] failed connect to %s:%u\n", _host.c_str(), _port);
         return false;
@@ -879,7 +874,6 @@ bool HTTPClient::sendHeader(const char * type)
  */
 int HTTPClient::handleHeaderResponse()
 {
-
     if(!connected()) {
         return HTTPC_ERROR_NOT_CONNECTED;
     }
@@ -891,7 +885,7 @@ int HTTPClient::handleHeaderResponse()
     String transferEncoding;
 
     _transferEncoding = HTTPC_TE_IDENTITY;
-    unsigned long lastDataTime = millis();
+    _wallTime.reset();
 
     while(connected()) {
         size_t len = _client->available();
@@ -899,8 +893,6 @@ int HTTPClient::handleHeaderResponse()
             int headerSeparator = -1;
             String headerLine = _client->readStringUntil('\n');
 
-            lastDataTime = millis();
-
             DEBUG_HTTPCLIENT("[HTTP-Client][handleHeaderResponse] RX: '%s'\n", headerLine.c_str());
 
             if (headerLine.startsWith(F("HTTP/1."))) {
@@ -978,7 +970,7 @@ int HTTPClient::handleHeaderResponse()
             }
 
         } else {
-            if((millis() - lastDataTime) > _tcpTimeout) {
+            if(_wallTime) {
                 return HTTPC_ERROR_READ_TIMEOUT;
             }
             esp_yield();
diff --git a/libraries/ESP8266HTTPClient/src/ESP8266HTTPClient.h b/libraries/ESP8266HTTPClient/src/ESP8266HTTPClient.h
index bc8a42d33e..97a34d44d0 100644
--- a/libraries/ESP8266HTTPClient/src/ESP8266HTTPClient.h
+++ b/libraries/ESP8266HTTPClient/src/ESP8266HTTPClient.h
@@ -29,6 +29,7 @@
 #include <Arduino.h>
 #include <StreamString.h>
 #include <WiFiClient.h>
+#include <PolledTimeout.h>
 
 #include <memory>
 
@@ -152,7 +153,7 @@ typedef std::unique_ptr<TransportTraits> TransportTraitsPtr;
 class HTTPClient
 {
 public:
-    HTTPClient() = default;
+    HTTPClient(): _wallTime(HTTPCLIENT_DEFAULT_TCP_TIMEOUT) {};
     ~HTTPClient() = default;
     HTTPClient(HTTPClient&&) = default;
     HTTPClient& operator=(HTTPClient&&) = default;
@@ -177,7 +178,8 @@ class HTTPClient
     void setAuthorization(const char * user, const char * password);
     void setAuthorization(const char * auth);
     void setAuthorization(String auth);
-    void setTimeout(uint16_t timeout);
+    void setWallTime(unsigned long wallTime);
+    [[deprecated("use setWallTime() instead")]] void setTimeout(unsigned long wallTime) { setWallTime(wallTime); }
 
     // Redirections
     void setFollowRedirects(followRedirects_t follow);
@@ -256,7 +258,7 @@ class HTTPClient
     String _host;
     uint16_t _port = 0;
     bool _reuse = true;
-    uint16_t _tcpTimeout = HTTPCLIENT_DEFAULT_TCP_TIMEOUT;
+    esp8266::polledTimeout::oneShotMs _wallTime;
     bool _useHTTP10 = false;
 
     String _uri;
@@ -314,6 +316,7 @@ int HTTPClient::writeToStream(S * output)
         }
     } else if(_transferEncoding == HTTPC_TE_CHUNKED) {
         int size = 0;
+        _wallTime.reset();
         while(1) {
             if(!connected()) {
                 return returnError(HTTPC_ERROR_CONNECTION_LOST);
@@ -360,6 +363,10 @@ int HTTPClient::writeToStream(S * output)
                 return returnError(HTTPC_ERROR_READ_TIMEOUT);
             }
 
+            if (_wallTime) {
+                return returnError(HTTPC_ERROR_READ_TIMEOUT);
+            }
+
             esp_yield();
         }
     } else {
diff --git a/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClient.cpp b/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClient.cpp
index fb10209ec0..42120e99ad 100644
--- a/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClient.cpp
+++ b/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClient.cpp
@@ -216,7 +216,7 @@ size_t WiFiClient::write(const uint8_t *buf, size_t size)
     {
         return 0;
     }
-    _client->setTimeout(_timeout);
+    _client->setTimeout(_timeout);  // context write uses timeout
     return _client->write((const char*)buf, size);
 }
 
@@ -238,7 +238,6 @@ size_t WiFiClient::write_P(PGM_P buf, size_t size)
     {
         return 0;
     }
-    _client->setTimeout(_timeout);
     StreamConstPtr nopeek(buf, size);
     return nopeek.sendAll(this);
 }
@@ -463,3 +462,10 @@ void WiFiClient::peekConsume (size_t consume)
     if (_client)
         _client->peekConsume(consume);
 }
+
+void WiFiClient::setTimeout (unsigned long timeout)
+{
+    Client::setTimeout(timeout);
+    if (_client)
+        _client->setTimeout(timeout);
+}
diff --git a/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClient.h b/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClient.h
index 711adb6204..c9a8a30338 100644
--- a/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClient.h
+++ b/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClient.h
@@ -64,6 +64,7 @@ class WiFiClient : public Client, public SList<WiFiClient> {
   // - https://isocpp.github.io/CppCoreGuidelines/CppCoreGuidelines#Rh-copy
   virtual std::unique_ptr<WiFiClient> clone() const;
 
+  virtual void setTimeout (unsigned long timeout) override;
   virtual uint8_t status();
   virtual int connect(IPAddress ip, uint16_t port) override;
   virtual int connect(const char *host, uint16_t port) override;
diff --git a/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClientSecureBearSSL.cpp b/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClientSecureBearSSL.cpp
index 7bc0c70df6..84737ef283 100644
--- a/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClientSecureBearSSL.cpp
+++ b/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClientSecureBearSSL.cpp
@@ -31,7 +31,6 @@ extern "C" {
 }
 #include "debug.h"
 #include "ESP8266WiFi.h"
-#include "PolledTimeout.h"
 #include "WiFiClient.h"
 #include "WiFiClientSecureBearSSL.h"
 #include "StackThunk.h"
@@ -68,10 +67,9 @@ extern "C" {
 
 namespace BearSSL {
 
-void WiFiClientSecureCtx::_clear() {
-  // TLS handshake may take more than the 5 second default timeout
-  _timeout = 15000;
+constexpr auto defaultWallTime = 10000UL;
 
+void WiFiClientSecureCtx::_clear() {
   _sc = nullptr;
   _sc_svr = nullptr;
   _eng = nullptr;
@@ -103,7 +101,7 @@ void WiFiClientSecureCtx::_clearAuthenticationSettings() {
 }
 
 
-WiFiClientSecureCtx::WiFiClientSecureCtx() : WiFiClient() {
+WiFiClientSecureCtx::WiFiClientSecureCtx() : WiFiClient(), _wallTime(defaultWallTime) {
   _clear();
   _clearAuthenticationSettings();
   _certStore = nullptr; // Don't want to remove cert store on a clear, should be long lived
@@ -124,7 +122,7 @@ WiFiClientSecureCtx::~WiFiClientSecureCtx() {
 WiFiClientSecureCtx::WiFiClientSecureCtx(ClientContext* client,
                                      const X509List *chain, const PrivateKey *sk,
                                      int iobuf_in_size, int iobuf_out_size, ServerSessions *cache,
-                                     const X509List *client_CA_ta, int tls_min, int tls_max) {
+                                     const X509List *client_CA_ta, int tls_min, int tls_max): _wallTime(defaultWallTime) {
   _clear();
   _clearAuthenticationSettings();
   stack_thunk_add_ref();
@@ -145,7 +143,7 @@ WiFiClientSecureCtx::WiFiClientSecureCtx(ClientContext *client,
                                      const X509List *chain,
                                      unsigned cert_issuer_key_type, const PrivateKey *sk,
                                      int iobuf_in_size, int iobuf_out_size, ServerSessions *cache,
-                                     const X509List *client_CA_ta, int tls_min, int tls_max) {
+                                     const X509List *client_CA_ta, int tls_min, int tls_max): _wallTime(defaultWallTime) {
   _clear();
   _clearAuthenticationSettings();
   stack_thunk_add_ref();
@@ -204,7 +202,10 @@ bool WiFiClientSecureCtx::stop(unsigned int maxWaitMs) {
 }
 
 bool WiFiClientSecureCtx::flush(unsigned int maxWaitMs) {
+  auto savedTimeout = _timeout;
+  _timeout = std::max(1U, maxWaitMs);
   (void) _run_until(BR_SSL_SENDAPP);
+  _timeout = savedTimeout;
   return WiFiClient::flush(maxWaitMs);
 }
 
@@ -246,7 +247,6 @@ void WiFiClientSecureCtx::_freeSSL() {
   _recvapp_len = 0;
   // This connection is toast
   _handshake_done = false;
-  _timeout = 15000;
 }
 
 bool WiFiClientSecureCtx::_clientConnected() {
@@ -462,7 +462,7 @@ size_t WiFiClientSecureCtx::peekBytes(uint8_t *buffer, size_t length) {
   }
 
   _startMillis = millis();
-  while ((_pollRecvBuffer() < (int) length) && ((millis() - _startMillis) < 5000)) {
+  while ((_pollRecvBuffer() < (int)length) && ((millis() - _startMillis) < _timeout)) {
     yield();
   }
 
@@ -539,6 +539,7 @@ int WiFiClientSecureCtx::_run_until(unsigned target, bool blocking) {
         br_ssl_engine_sendrec_ack(_eng, wlen);
       }
       no_work = 0;
+      loopTimeout.reset();
       continue;
     }
 
@@ -582,6 +583,7 @@ int WiFiClientSecureCtx::_run_until(unsigned target, bool blocking) {
           br_ssl_engine_recvrec_ack(_eng, rlen);
         }
         no_work = 0;
+        loopTimeout.reset();
         continue;
       }
     }
@@ -602,6 +604,14 @@ int WiFiClientSecureCtx::_run_until(unsigned target, bool blocking) {
 }
 
 bool WiFiClientSecureCtx::_wait_for_handshake() {
+
+#if defined(DEBUG_ESP_PORT)
+  if constexpr (F_CPU != 160000000L) {
+    DEBUG_ESP_PORT.printf_P((PGM_P)PSTR("BSSL: Please enable 160MHz build\n"));
+  }
+#endif
+
+  _wallTime.reset();
   _handshake_done = false;
   while (!_handshake_done && _clientConnected()) {
     int ret = _run_until(BR_SSL_SENDAPP);
@@ -612,6 +622,10 @@ bool WiFiClientSecureCtx::_wait_for_handshake() {
     if (br_ssl_engine_current_state(_eng) & BR_SSL_SENDAPP) {
       _handshake_done = true;
     }
+    if (_wallTime) {
+      DEBUG_BSSL("handshake too long\n");
+      break;
+    }
     optimistic_yield(1000);
   }
   return _handshake_done;
@@ -1206,9 +1220,6 @@ bool WiFiClientSecureCtx::_connectSSL(const char* hostName) {
   _x509_insecure = nullptr;
   _x509_knownkey = nullptr;
 
-  // reduce timeout after successful handshake to fail fast if server stop accepting our data for whathever reason
-  if (ret) _timeout = 5000;
-
   return ret;
 }
 
@@ -1673,4 +1684,11 @@ bool WiFiClientSecure::probeMaxFragmentLength(IPAddress ip, uint16_t port, uint1
   return _SendAbort(probe, supportsLen);
 }
 
-};
+void WiFiClientSecure::setTimeout (unsigned long timeout)
+{
+  WiFiClient::setTimeout(timeout);
+  if (_ctx)
+    _ctx->setTimeout(timeout);
+}
+
+};  // namespace BearSSL
diff --git a/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClientSecureBearSSL.h b/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClientSecureBearSSL.h
index e0cb44928f..ca27bca936 100644
--- a/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClientSecureBearSSL.h
+++ b/libraries/ESP8266WiFi/src/WiFiClientSecureBearSSL.h
@@ -28,6 +28,7 @@
 #include <bearssl/bearssl.h>
 #include "BearSSLHelpers.h"
 #include "CertStoreBearSSL.h"
+#include "PolledTimeout.h"
 
 namespace BearSSL {
 
@@ -147,6 +148,9 @@ class WiFiClientSecureCtx : public WiFiClient {
     // consume bytes after use (see peekBuffer)
     virtual void peekConsume (size_t consume) override;
 
+    // install a wall-time used during handshake
+    void setWallTime (unsigned long wallTime) { _wallTime.reset(wallTime?: esp8266::polledTimeout::oneShotMs::neverExpires); }
+
   protected:
     bool _connectSSL(const char *hostName); // Do initial SSL handshake
 
@@ -235,6 +239,8 @@ class WiFiClientSecureCtx : public WiFiClient {
     bool _installServerX509Validator(const X509List *client_CA_ta); // Setup X509 client cert validation, if supplied
 
     uint8_t *_streamLoad(Stream& stream, size_t size);
+
+    esp8266::polledTimeout::oneShotMs _wallTime;
 }; // class WiFiClientSecureCtx
 
 
@@ -373,6 +379,12 @@ class WiFiClientSecure : public WiFiClient {
 
     void disableKeepAlive() override { _ctx->disableKeepAlive(); };
 
+    // override setTimeout and forward to context
+    virtual void setTimeout (unsigned long timeout) override;
+
+    // install a wall-time used during handshake
+    void setWallTime (unsigned long wallTime) { _ctx->setWallTime(wallTime); }
+
   private:
     std::shared_ptr<WiFiClientSecureCtx> _ctx;
 
diff --git a/libraries/ESP8266httpUpdate/examples/httpUpdate/httpUpdate.ino b/libraries/ESP8266httpUpdate/examples/httpUpdate/httpUpdate.ino
index b9da7f8cb4..ed7f38f61b 100644
--- a/libraries/ESP8266httpUpdate/examples/httpUpdate/httpUpdate.ino
+++ b/libraries/ESP8266httpUpdate/examples/httpUpdate/httpUpdate.ino
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@ void setup() {
 
   Serial.println();
 
-  ESPhttpUpdate.setClientTimeout(2000);  // default was 8000
+  ESPhttpUpdate.setWallTime(2000);  // default was 8000
 
   WiFi.mode(WIFI_STA);
   WiFiMulti.addAP(APSSID, APPSK);
diff --git a/libraries/ESP8266httpUpdate/src/ESP8266httpUpdate.cpp b/libraries/ESP8266httpUpdate/src/ESP8266httpUpdate.cpp
index 9cd5d62801..256d971560 100755
--- a/libraries/ESP8266httpUpdate/src/ESP8266httpUpdate.cpp
+++ b/libraries/ESP8266httpUpdate/src/ESP8266httpUpdate.cpp
@@ -28,12 +28,12 @@
 #include <flash_hal.h>
 
 ESP8266HTTPUpdate::ESP8266HTTPUpdate(void)
-        : _httpClientTimeout(8000)
+        : _httpWallTime(8000)
 {
 }
 
-ESP8266HTTPUpdate::ESP8266HTTPUpdate(int httpClientTimeout)
-        : _httpClientTimeout(httpClientTimeout)
+ESP8266HTTPUpdate::ESP8266HTTPUpdate(int httpWallTime)
+        : _httpWallTime(httpWallTime)
 {
 }
 
@@ -164,7 +164,7 @@ HTTPUpdateResult ESP8266HTTPUpdate::handleUpdate(HTTPClient& http, const String&
 
     // use HTTP/1.0 for update since the update handler not support any transfer Encoding
     http.useHTTP10(true);
-    http.setTimeout(_httpClientTimeout);
+    http.setWallTime(_httpWallTime);
     http.setFollowRedirects(_followRedirects);
     http.setUserAgent(F("ESP8266-http-Update"));
     http.addHeader(F("x-ESP8266-Chip-ID"), String(ESP.getChipId()));
diff --git a/libraries/ESP8266httpUpdate/src/ESP8266httpUpdate.h b/libraries/ESP8266httpUpdate/src/ESP8266httpUpdate.h
index 803988d3be..45ae03349f 100755
--- a/libraries/ESP8266httpUpdate/src/ESP8266httpUpdate.h
+++ b/libraries/ESP8266httpUpdate/src/ESP8266httpUpdate.h
@@ -132,9 +132,8 @@ class ESP8266HTTPUpdate
     int getLastError(void);
     String getLastErrorString(void);
 
-    void setClientTimeout(int timeout) {
-        _httpClientTimeout = timeout;
-    }
+    [[deprecated("use setWallTime()")]] void setClientTimeout(int wallTime) { setWallTime(wallTime); }
+    void setWallTime(int wallTime) { _httpWallTime = wallTime; }
 protected:
     t_httpUpdate_return handleUpdate(HTTPClient& http, const String& currentVersion, bool spiffs = false);
     bool runUpdate(Stream& in, uint32_t size, const String& md5, int command = U_FLASH);
@@ -154,7 +153,7 @@ class ESP8266HTTPUpdate
     String _auth;
     String _md5Sum;
 private:
-    int _httpClientTimeout;
+    unsigned long _httpWallTime;
     followRedirects_t _followRedirects = HTTPC_DISABLE_FOLLOW_REDIRECTS;
 
     // Callbacks

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