Anthony: We don't know what the inner machinations of their mind are, or their heart. We don't know. But that's what we want to know when we go and see a film. We don't wanna just see life played out as is. We wanna see life as it is experienced, within this soft machine, within this...

Julie: But the life of Tony and his mother, they're the lives of real people. I'm not- I'm not making that up.

Anthony: Why are they more real than me?

Julie: They're not more real than you.

Anthony: Am I more real than you?

Julie: No. I think we're all equal in that. I think we're all as real as each other. There's no competition. It doesn't matter that they're not real people. I mean, I'm not trying to make a documentary. I'm just- you know, I'm making a feature film.

Anthony: Now, are you sure?

Julie: Yes, I am. I'm making a feature film.