Helen Sworn: Joanna Mayhew Conor Wall

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26 AsiaLIFE Cambodia AsiaLIFE Cambodia 27

Helen Sworn
26 AsiaLIFE Cambodia AsiaLIFE Cambodia 27
What was your frst exposure
to human trafcking?
I moved to Cambodia 15 years
ago, and my frst piece of
research was looking at this
phenomenon occurring on the
border between Cambodia and
Thailand. It was 1999, and the
journey from Batambang to
Poipet, which now is two hours,
took 17. I remember thinking,
this is the most horrendous
journey Ive ever done. It
wasnt until I got to Poipet and
understood the entry point
into this whole horrifc issue
of trafcking that the journey
became symbolic. It symbolised
that it was a really hard road,
there were loads of issues along
the way, breakdowns, potholes,
[but] it was worth it.
How would you describe
today's trafcking situation?
There has been progress made.
Even though statistics are
difcult to get in a world where
criminals are operating in
multiple layers, we know that
the level of sexual exploitation of
young minors has gone down.
However, [in] the last decade
weve seen a shift underground.
Before, it was much more visible.
Police could do brothel raids,
pick up the girls prety quickly
and get them into aftercare,
pick up a lot of the customers,
and some of the pimps. A lot of
the cases were seeing are still
minors. There is a large market
for [the 15 to 18] age group, and
that is a huge concern.
What are some common
misconceptions?
I think one of the assumptions a
lot of foreigners come in with is
that most of the men exploiting
minors for sex are Caucasian.
In fact, the majority of them
are Asian. The top exploiter
within any nationality is the
local nationality. [Another]
myth is that sexual trafcking
only happens to girls. Thats
become the typical imagery. But
actually, for the foreign cases,
about 60 percent of the victims
are boys.
Is the increased atention on
anti-trafcking helpful?
I think there is a danger point
that trafcking has become
the sexy issue. You get a huge
infux of money, atention,
organisations, but if that is not
coordinated, it can create chaos.
We have seen a lot of people
coming to address this, but
theyre not necessarily doing
it in a collaborative manner,
and they dont necessarily
understand a lot of the complex
issues within the Cambodian
culture, within the history.
People are led by their heart
on this issue, but sometimes
they forget to bring their brain
with them. You get lots of well
meaning people, but they dont
really know what theyre doing.
And that is a huge risk factor.
A lot of people start working
on this issue and get paralysed
by emotion. Some people may
say Im hard-headed, but what
Cambodia doesnt need is a
lot of emotional wrecks. They
need people who are able to
strategise for responses, to
support them, to help them
develop policy.
Why was Chab Dai created?
The rationale behind seting
up Chab Dai was this infux
of well-meaning individuals
and organisations. I started to
say, how about we develop
some kind of coalition, so we
can pool our resources, so we
can be more strategic. We tried
to get a very diverse group
of organisations now weve
got 57 members but we
look at the most critical piece,
which is common ground and
common vision. Chab Dai in
Khmer means joining hands. It
symbolises solidarity, that we
have a voice together and that
together were much stronger
than being apart.
Weve [also] developed
a grassroots movement of
advocates. Weve got literally
tens of thousands of villagers
who are trained every year
by volunteers [on keeping
communities safe]. And thats
the dream. Thats really what
we want to see happen here.
What can the average person
living here do?
We have a responsibility
to be the eyes and ears on
the ground, and not to shut
our eyes to it. There are so
many ways people can begin
to protect those that are
vulnerable. A lot of recognising
trafcking is looking at how
much freedom somebody has.
Girls are not in chains very
often. Boys are not in chains
very often. But psychological
chaining is the most powerful
way to control somebody. If
there is somebody who is a
minor, you can prety much
guarantee they are not there
of their own accord. Dont
put yourself into situations
of staking out a brothel or a
KTV. There are professionals
who can do that. But if you see
somebody whos vulnerable,
there is a child helpline, there
is an anti-trafcking hotline.
These are positive ways you can
interact. But dont do it on your
own. Contact the professionals.
How have your own
perspectives evolved?
At the beginning, I thought I
could understand trafcking
very easily. I saw that children
were being sold through a
border, so that was trafcking.
Now, 15 years on, I feel like I
know less and less. My own
learning journey is always
so steep; things are changing
all the time, the environment
is changing. Its blown apart
my simplistic view of what
trafcking was. We have to
address the underlying issues if
were ever going to see an end to
it. We started working on things
like family values, parenting
things that seem unconnected
but [are] actually the foundation
of stable communities.
Is there reason for optimism?
Absolutely. I know that
[survivors] have experienced
horrifc things in their lives, but
for those around them to lose
hope does them a disservice.
We need to look at where
theyre going, and not just
focus on where theyve come
from. Weve seen the decline
in the very young who are
being exploited. We have seen
prosecutions and extraditions
happen here. We take what we
can get. Sometimes, we dont
get much for a long time, but
then when it comes, we take
what we can get, and we gain
hope from it.
Take action: To report suspected
perpetrators, call APLE on 092
311 511; to protect young victims,
call the ChildSafe Hotline on 012
311 112
Joanna Mayhew meets the founder and director
of Chab Dai, a coalition of organisations working to
end human trafcking. Photograph by Conor Wall.

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