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    The document summarizes the key differences that remain between the newly revised IEEE Std C50.13-2005 standard and the recently revised IEC 60034 series standards for large turbine generators. While there is significant alignment, some differences still exist around requirements for faulty synchronization, short-time thermal limits, temperature detectors, and hydrogen-cooled generator precautions. Continued harmonization efforts are recommended to further align the standards.

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    The document summarizes the key differences that remain between the newly revised IEEE Std C50.13-2005 standard and the recently revised IEC 60034 series standards for large turbine generators. While there is significant alignment, some differences still exist around requirements for faulty synchronization, short-time thermal limits, temperature detectors, and hydrogen-cooled generator precautions. Continued harmonization efforts are recommended to further align the standards.

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    The document summarizes the key differences that remain between the newly revised IEEE Std C50.13-2005 standard and the recently revised IEC 60034 series standards for large turbine generators. While there is significant alignment, some differences still exist around requirements for faulty synchronization, short-time thermal limits, temperature detectors, and hydrogen-cooled generator precautions. Continued harmonization efforts are recommended to further align the standards.

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    The paper highlights the main differences that still exist between the newly revised IEEE C50.13-2005 standard and the recently revised IEC 60034-1 and 60034-3 standards for large turbine generators.

    Some of the key remaining differences are temperature limits, short-time thermal requirements, short-time negative sequence current capability, required temperature detectors, and shaft vibration limits.

    Table 1 shows a comparison of temperature limits for different cooling configurations, such as limits for hot spot temperature, stator RTD observable temperature, and rotor average temperature.

    2006 UPDATE OF IEEE/ANSI C50.

    13-2005 STANDARD FOR LARGE TURBINE


    GENERATORS AND HARMONIZATION WITH THE IEC 60034 SERIES

    John D. Amos
    Siemens
    Orlando, FL USA.

    INTRODUCTION

    WG-2 (Advisory Group to IEC) of the Generator


    Sudden Short Circuit
    Subcommittee (Synchronous Machinery Subcommittee)
    completed the task of comparing the updated IEEE Std
    Both IEEE and IEC are pretty consistent on this
    C50.13-2005(13) standard for electrical machinery with the
    requirement. However, IEC does clearly specify the
    corresponding International Electrotechnical Commission
    subsequent high voltage test requirements.
    (IEC 60034-3(4), 60034-1(3)) standards.

    IEC 60034-1 covers general requirements for all rotating


    Faulty Synchronization
    electrical machinery and IEC 60034-3 covers the specifics
    of cylindrical rotor synchronous machines to be applied
    IEEE has specific guidelines for faulty synchronizations
    with steam and combustion turbines. IEEE/ANSI C50.13-
    and estimates on the extent of possible damage and repair
    2005 covers cylindrical-rotor synchronous generators
    requirements. However, IEC only briefly reference faulty
    driven by steam and combustion turbines.
    synchronizations in the sudden short circuit section.
    The objective of this paper is to highlight the main
    Over-speed Testing
    differences that remain between the newly revised IEEE
    Std C50.13-2005 and the recently revised 2004 eleventh
    Both IEEE and IEC are consistent on this 120%
    edition of IEC 60034-1 and the 2005 fifth edition of IEC
    requirement. However, IEEE requires a 2 minute test but
    60034-3.
    has a safety stipulation. IEC requires 2 minutes without
    any special consideration.
    The IEEE Std C50.13-2005 is a consolidation of the
    previously separate ANSI C50.10(5), ANSI C50.13(7),
    Winding Short-time Thermal Requirements
    ANSI C50.14 (8), and ANSI C50.15(9).
    Both IEEE and IEC have the same requirements for stator
    HIGHLIGHTS OF DIFFERENCES IN IEC 60034
    windings. However, IEEE has specific short-time rotor
    SERIES AND IEEE C50.13 STANDARDS
    thermal requirements as stated below, while the IEC does
    not specify any short-time rotor thermal requirements.
    There have been significant strides in harmonizing the
    IEEE and IEC Standards. The following points highlight
    125% of rated load rotor current for 1 minute
    the key differences that still exist.
    33.75
    Temperature Limits I = 100 + 1 for 10s to 120s
    t
    Table 1 shows a brief comparison of the new IEEE and
    IEC observable temperature limits. The table clearly Short-time negative-sequence current capability
    shows the close alignment of the IEEE and IEC observable
    temperatures for Class B operation. IEEE maintains the Both IEEE and IEC have the same requirements for
    requirement for hot spot temperature limits in addition to negative sequence currents. However, they differ in short-
    observable temperatures while IEC continues to reference time capability requirements as seen below.
    the requirement for observable temperatures only.

    Page 1
    IEEE short-time negative-sequence current capability:

    Type of generator rotor 2


    Minimum I 2 t SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS
    Indirectly cooled 30
    As seen above, there has been significant work in
    Directly cooled up to 10
    harmonizing IEEE and IEC cylindrical synchronous
    800MVA
    800MVA to 1600MVA 10-(0.00625)(MVA-800)
    generator standards. There are several key points to
    continue to follow and harmonize. WG-2 (Advisory
    IEC short-time negative-sequence current capability: Group to IEC) of the Generator Subcommittee
    (Synchronous Machinery Subcommittee) suggest that
    Type of generator rotor 2 we continue with the harmonization efforts and
    Maximum I 2 t
    request input from end users of both IEEE C50-13-
    Indirectly cooled 15 2005 and IEC 60034-1 and 60034-3 Standards to
    Directly cooled between 8-0.00545(MVA-350)
    provide input to assist in continuing to identify the
    350 and 900MVA
    key requirements to further align and harmonize
    900MVA to 1600MVA 5
    between the standards.

    Required Slot Embedded Temperature Detectors

    IEEE require minimum of 12 stator slot embedded


    temperature detectors for indirectly cooled generators
    while IEC require only 6 slot embedded temperature
    detectors.

    Shaft Vibration

    IEEE reference ISO 7919 shaft vibration limits while IEC


    doesn’t reference any specific requirement.

    Hydrogen Cooled Generator Precautions

    This new Annex A (normative) added to IEC 60034-3 fifth


    edition was added to give guidance on design features and
    operating procedures that are intended to avoid the
    occurrence or ignition of an ignitable mixture of hydrogen
    and air either in or around the generator. IEEE C50.13-
    2005 doesn’t have an equivalent section or appendix.

    Machine housing and cover plates

    IEC 60034-3 fifth edition has a re-wording of the


    following requirement:

    Section 6.3
    … A hydrostatic pressure test shall be made to check the
    strength of the housing and cover plates….

    The previous edition of this standard had the following


    stipulation:

    "If required by the purchaser at the time of the order".

    Several members of the IEC working group noticed this


    change after the fifth edition was release and submitted
    requests to have the language changed back to its original
    text. This will be an action of the next working group of
    IEC 60034-3.

    Page 2
    TABLE 1 (COMPARISON OF IEC AND IEEE TEMPERATURE LIMITS)

    Indirectly-Air-Cooled Stator and Radially- Air-Cooled-Rotor Generator Limits

    Items Codes ANSI B IEC B ANSI F

    Hot spot temperature, °C 130 155

    Stator RTD observable, °C 125 - (KV-12) 125 - (KV-12) 150 - (KV-12)


    old value = 110 old value = 130

    Rotor Average, °C 120 120 135


    old value = 125 old value = 145

    Indirectly-Hydrogen-Cooled Stator and Radially- H2-Cooled-Rotor Generator Limits

    Items Codes ANSI B IEC B ANSI F

    Hot spot temperature, °C 130 155

    Stator RTD observable, °C 110 - (KV-12) 110 - (KV-12) 130 - (KV-12)


    old value = 110 old value = 130

    Rotor Average, °C 120 120 135


    old value = 125 old value = 145

    Water-Cooled-Stator & Hydrogen-Axially-Cooled-Rotor Generator Limits

    Items Codes ANSI B IEC B

    Hot spot temperature, °C 130

    Stator RTD observable (not preferred) , °C 120

    Stator Cooling Water Outlet, °C 90 90

    Rotor Average (axially cooled) , °C 105 105

    NOTE: The total temperatures above assume a cold coolant of 40°C and directly cooled rotor outlets greater than 14.

    Page 3
    6. IEEE/ANSI C50.12, “Requirements for Salient-Pole
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