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Pang Ming
Interview with Dr. Pang Ming
(Heaven and Earth Magazine, 1994)
Remarks:
The Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Center existed from 1988 till 2001.
It existed since 6 years at the time of the interview.

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Nature As Last Resort

Qigong and its use to combat fatal illnesses
An interview with Dr. Pang Ming
Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Training & Recovery Center
Right now we have 200 patients, all in the late stages. We seldom have patients come in the early middle
stages of their illness. They come to us after the doctors told them, you are going to die, and you have the last
months to live. We are their last hope. As a result of the lost time and advanced deterioration of the body, our
cure rate is low,
about 5 %.
Any patient who comes here is going to be depressed and pessimistic about his chances of recovery. So we do
not talk a great deal about the theory and principles of qigong. We first show him a video of group practice,
where a large concourse is filled with hundreds of people generating powerful fields of qi. We show him
demonstrations where patients quickly lose weight or reduce their blood pressure or eliminate tumors. We show
him patients' before and after condition, the concrete results of practice. We do not show this to promote
ourselves, but only to raise his confidence. In his mind, he is near death. When he sees there is hope, he
practices qigong with determination.
Some patients' illness responds quickly to practice, others' more gradually. One patient had lung and stomach
cancer and he was a paraplegic. His doctors said he had one month to live; they advised him to leave the
hospital and not waste his family's money. He came here and stayed with us for 19 months, well beyond the time

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allotted him. Then he died.

Our cancer patients, even though they die, do not suffer greatly. They do not need medicines and anesthetics.
They are not emaciated or dispirited when they die. Some patients arrive as thin as a ghost. After practice, they
put on weight. Some die almost a pleasant death while asleep. Others die while on the practice field; they take a
breath and die. Two died that way recently. One can say that they died with real human dignity.

Do you find qigong practice has a better cure rate with certain kinds of cancer?
We find little difference. Our practice is the same for all diseases. Other qigong methods may be more
specialized in their applications and treatment. But among the many qigong hospitals in the country, ours may
have the highest cure rate. I say 'may' because we do not have a comprehensive study done on this question
yet. But is it is true, it is probably because our qigong method is not very complex or over-specialized.
In any case, our success is reflected in our growth in the last few years. In 1988, we had 500 patients come for
treatment. In 1989: 900, in 1990: 1700 and in 1991, we had 2800 patients. (Note: in 1999, there were 10,500
patients treated in the Center.) They come from all over the country. We do not promote ourselves or advertise.
They come after hearing of other patients' cures.
Qigong is not well understood in China today. If you advertise, it's like you are selling something, and people get
an unfavorable impression as a result. So we do not promote qigong, the hospital or myself. We rely on patients'
own testimony to get the word out. One time, a paraplegic was cured here. He returned home and the next
month 20 paraplegics from his village came.
Each term we have 20-80 paraplegics, some so bad they can't practice at all. They can't stand or walk, so we
sit them near the practice field and gradually movement returns to their limbs. Soon, they are standing and
practicing with the group. Their recovery rate is 40 %, which is any patient who comes similar to the recovery
rate of many other diseases we treat here.
Qigong does not place the practitioner's attention on forms or rituals outside himself. It works with energy.

How would you talk about qigong as a tool in man's quest to know himself?
Qigong is a very profound system of knowledge. Qigong belongs to the highest ranks of Chinese culture and
indeed world culture. While India, Greece and Egypt did not use a terminology similar to qigong, all developed
knowledge that belonged to the catagory of qigong.Chinese people talk about qi as the source of the universe
that causes the growth of all things. This is a much different creation theory than modern science.
Astrophysicists talk about the Big Bang an enormous explosion and the universe was created. But the
Chinese talk about the primordial state of the universe in terms of qi. Energy that creates and transforms. The
ancients didn't talk about why this is so, but rather, how can one harmonize with this reality and conserve one's
qi. Man has this qi. How is he going to use it? To cultivate qi, one needs to replenish all the qi that has been lost.
How? Methods vary.
Most rely on cultivating qi in the body, aiming to make up the loss. China calls this the cultivation of Jingqishen.
Another method does not rely on the qi in the body, but goes directly to the qi of nature. This is our approach.
We cultivate our own qi through accessing nature's great store of qi. This approach produces quicker results.
But cultivating qi is not the most fundamental; cultivating one's spirit is. Mastery of qi is really achieved through
mastery of consciousness. We use consciousness in a careful, craftsmanlike way to shape our life, to attain our
goals. If we use modern terminology to name this process, we call it qigong. The ancients used the word qi and

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this mystifies people. But in modern terms, qigong is just the refinement of consciousness to enhance the state
of energy in the body. This leads to vibrant health, a harmonious body and mind and an awakened spiritual life.
Practicing qigong is very easy. Using qi to cure illness is also very easy. Our patients can learn to use qi to cure
illness in 22 days. After 3 months, 30-40 % can use qi to diagnose illness. Diagnosis may be through a visual
examination of the patient or by intuiting or feeling a person's disease. Up to 40 % learn this skill fairly quickly. It
is not that complex.
Today, people have all kinds of notions about qigong. They think one uses qigong and cures an illness and that's
it. Even if they cure themselves, many do not believe that deeply in the process. But qigong is not so limited.
One can help others. One can help turn other people's lives around.

Why can qigong cure illness?

Qigong theory says that one's health is dependent on the body's normal life processes, which are all dependent
on the unimpeded flow of qi. An illness is a disturbance of this flow. Doctors would say functioning is impaired.
Qigong does not focus on the cause of the disease, but rather on restoring the person to total physiological
balance. If the qi is unimpeded, body processes will normalize and the illness will naturally disappear. For
example, people have unhealthy bacteria in their body but do not get sick. Why? Because their bodily functions
and immune system are strong. They resist the illness. But qigong does not rely on resisting diseases. It
eliminates the source of the disease altogether, rather than leaving it latent in the body. In experiments, we see
that a person's qi can kill bacteria outside himself. Practicing qigong will certainly kill bacteria within.

Why is it people who practice the meditative arts, which are ostensibly good for health, still find their
health deteriorates?
This is because traditional practices, while having great benefits, also have drawbacks. Some rely on silence,
like sitting practice. To sit correctly, you must enter stillness. If you cannot or do so poorly, there will be a
negative effect on the qi. If you cannot enter into deep still states, you will not reap the rewards that come from
stillness, like improved brain functioning, increased alpha waves and decreased beta waves. In our practice, we
do not over-emphasize stillness: we promote the natural processes in the body, creating greater flow, opening
and balance. These restored natural rhythms produce vibrant health.
Our qigong differs from other practices in that it changes the ancients' reliance on stillness. Instead, we
emphasize movement as a basis of cultivation. The ancients always talk about attaining a state where not a
single thought arises. Do not think that this is easy. We say: just concentrate your consciousness, that is good
enough. Focus on your feeling, awareness, consciousness and spirit; eliminate the confused, fuzzy,weak or
negative. The result is you become a master of your own life, not a slave of the material world. Existentialists
like Sartre say, I want to be free. I demonstrate for freedom, that makes me free! The freedom of qigong is not
like this. You must master the laws of life. After you master them, you are free. If you do not even know what
they are, how can you find freedom?

What rules of life are you talking about?

The rules of life we hardly understand at all today. Modern medicine, biology and anatomy only describe the
activity of living phenomena. They do not talk about the basis of organic existence. Geneticists today are able to
see DNA's molecular structure, but this brings them no closer to solving the questions of life. Why? When the
DNA double helixes are alive, you can duplicate them. Why can you not do so when they die? There is no life.
Reproductions is impossible. This means that DNA is just the material base for life, not life itself. The problem

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lies with reliance on inadequate scientific methods. The life sciences employ the same methods as modern
physics. But modern physics explores the inanimate world. They discover the rules of inorganic matter. To use
this method to investigate living organisms will not yield satisfactory answers regarding the nature of life.
The focus of qigong is to investigate life and its laws. Unlike scientists, qigong practitioners use highly cultivated
consciousness to understand life. The subtlety and sophistication of this consciousness far surpass any
methods or technology employed by physicists or chemists. Life is beyond measurement and quantification. Our
ordinary consciousness can reflect the world around us, but cannot understand it. Why? Because man places
himself in a relationship of part to whole, even though his body and mind form a unity. Only after cultivation and
the attainment of high qigong consciousness can you understand the laws of life, of living on this earth.
What we understand today is not a macro-view of life, but merely an expression of life phenomena. There are
various states of consciousness one is sick or well, alert or sleep, active, passive, angry, happy, etc. Above
these is a qigong state. Qigong focuses on the lower states, seeks to understand their laws and processes, and
seeks to avoid their limitations. Through this understanding, it seeks to move to a higher state. But science
inquires through measurement.
What it sees in a certain state is no more than an observation. Science has no means to understand higher
states. It has difficulty in understanding how to return the body and mind to balance and health. This is qigong's
area of expertise.

Qigong cultivation aims to move a practitioner from illness to health and ultimately spiritual
attainment. We can see a process of development here. How does this compare to Buddhism and
Taoism, which move from lower to higher stages?
For the most part, religions do not talk about curing illness. They talk about transcendance, escaping the impurity
of life. They talk of paradise. But qigong is interested only in living better on this earth. This is a fundamental
difference.
Taoists talk of becoming an immortal. Hinayana speaks of the 4 dhyanas and samadhis. Mahayana advocates
illuminate the mind and see one's self nature. It is not very easy. One must pass many stages, undergo many
transformations before reaching this level. If you have a single thought or a single attachment, you cannot attain
it.

An ordinary thought would obscure illumination?

Any thought whatsoever would become an obstruction. Thoughts are distractions tied to the outside that force
one into a relative relationship. One thought can stop you. One place where your mind is stuck will stop you.
Illuminating the mind is relatively easily. Penetrating to one's self-nature (essence) is extremely difficult.

Do you teach specific qigong practices for each illness or do all patients undergo a similar training?
Everyone practices the same set of practices. The emphasis is on movement, not stillness.

Do you include traditional Daoist concepts like dazhoutian, xiaozhoutian, dantian, meridians, etc.?
It is not necessary. If you teach that, progress is slow.

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When the ancients cultivated, they reached very high levels. When they had those attainments, they did not
need practices such as dazhoutian, xiaozhoutian, or dantian. They practiced every point on the body is a
dantian - a state where man and nature become one.
What we do here with our patients aims at that level from the beginning. We use postures, movements, changes
in consciousness and sounds, to amplify and maximize the connections between man and the environment.
There are many zhoutian, heavenly circulation practices. The most traditional is to transform jing into qi, which
gathers and stores sexual vitality and circulates the jingqi in the dantian. When one achieves the lesser
heavenly circulation, xiaozhoutian, it has the effect of lessening or eliminating sexual desire. How many people
today could accept the elimination of their love life?
The next practice is to transform qi into shen, which creates the great shen and produces the inner child
(yinger). Yinger is just a term for an entity created by consciousness and qi. In this practice, you send the child
outside yourself. When you bring it back, it returns with an external qi, which you distribute to all points in your
body. In this way, man merges with nature. This is an example of an early practice calle dandaogong. Daoist
practices are extremely numerous; this is just one.
So you can see how complex it can get. Of the tens of millions studying qigong in China today, probably not
more than a few have attained the first level, much less the heights of Taoist attainment. In our practice, we
begin with the method of man and heaven inter-penetrate. Using qi and consciousness, we cultivate the
connection between inner and outer, we refine and store the qi. We avoid the long, complex practice of zhoutian.

What about the relationship of energies, jingqishen?

We just talk about qi, which includes jing and the body. Our body is actually just qi. Physicists say mass is the
materialization of energy; formless energy manifests as a form. There is truth to this. Traditionally, the universe
was seen as a result of the transformation of primordial qi.
After this transformation qi occupied what we can call the middle position, shen the upper, and form the lower.
What we call form or the body is just jing. Every cell of our body is jing. The reproduction of a cell is jing. There
are a number of different nuances involved here which makes this terminology difficult at first. The basis of this
jing is qi. Therefore, to understand qi is to establish real root, real stability in your life.

How did you develop your understanding of qi?

I practiced many different kinds of spiritual cultivation. Through the years I kept asking, what has value? What is
useful? What really works? Gods and bodhisattvas? Mantras? Through this long period of searching and
experimentation, I found qi is the foundation of all. If you understand it, you will really achieve something in your
spiritual life. But how do you cultivate qi? You strengthen it with the body and refine it with consciousness. This
was my discovery and conclusion after so many years.
I am a doctor. I practiced Western medicine for many years. Since 1962, I have practiced Chinese medicine
and acupuncture. But even my Chinese medical study did not help me solve the profound problems of human
existence. Fortunately, it provided many insights because it is also a system based on qi. Insert a needle to
treat inflammation and the swelling disappears. Where did it go? This is the function of qi.

So your teaching relies on absorbing and storing the qi outside oneself and seeks to develop a
powerful qichang, field of chi, through group practice.

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Yes, we use the qichang in a special way. We have hundreds of people practicing together, building up a field.
This has a tremendous power. During practice, we ask those who have tumors that can actually see or feel, to
come forward so we can observe the results of their practice. After a group session, the tumors shrink or even
disappear. This is something real, something valuable. It is the same with those with high blood pressure. After
one practice, their pressure drops remarkably.
In China, a lot of people practice qigong and experience uncontrolled laughing, crying, yelling, shaking, hearing
voices, etc. This means they have no base. They falsely confuse these things for real progress. Some teachers
will manipulate their students to have these psychological releases. But I think it is really shallow. We want to
look at something real. A great many Chinese have tumors. If we can show qigong practice has a beneficial
effect on reducing or eliminating tumors, then that is useful. It is a certifiable result. You can see it.

It may be difficult for people to understand the power of a qichang.

I think it is best not to introduce this practice in the beginning. The more you talk about qigong as miraculous,
powerful, extraordinary, the more difficult it is for people to accept it. Even in China, I only introduce teaching
that is close to people's real experience, something they can actually use. So I say, first talk about qigong as a
cultivation to cure illness. People must learn to cure their own illness and not hope that a teacher will rub them or
save them in some way. First establish your own health. A lot of people think, the more complicated a practice,
the more profound it is. Actually, the more complicated a practice, the less effective it is. So if you learn how to
harness and use this qi of nature, to cure illnesses in yourself and others, you have really learned something
fundamental. You have a stable base from which to go forward.
(Source: Heaven and Earth Magazine 1994
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22327931/Nature-as-Last-Resort-Pang-Ming
Accessed: November 2009)

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