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There have been two points in my life where I’ve focused entirely too much
on the money, and that has tremendously impacted my bottom line and
ability to pull out profits consistently from the markets. Once when I was
just starting out I focused too much on paying my bills and making a certain
amount of cash flow every month when unfortunately, Mother Market
doesn’t care at all about that. Constantly focusing on my financial woes
led me towards making bad decisions in the market, and subsequently
worsening my situation and even extending my learning curve.
The second point was after I had made significant money within a short
period of time to the tune of about $2 million inside of a year. The desire
for material possessions, second & third businesses, expanding operations
and biting off more than you can chew becomes a driving force, and you
become greedy with profits, often electing to hold on to positions for bigger
gains because the profits aren’t enough. Again, Mother Market doesn’t care
and if she doesn’t give you the follow through, whatever profits you have will
evaporate regardless of the advancements you want to make in your life.
Assad Tannous
Head Trader & Founder of Asenna Wealth Solutions.
Find a strategy that you become comfortable with, that suites your
personality and exerts the least amount of emotional capital. Even then,
most traders have exaggerated emotional swings throughout their trading
careers. The problem is most traders become so emotional they fail to
identify they have lost emotional control.
asenna.com.au
@asennawealth
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Davey Newall
Independent UK trader • Trading Coach
Surely, if you could learn just one successful strategy from an established
trader everything would be breezy. Simply implement their strategy and
become profitable.
The new trader throws in the towel just before the next string of profitable
trades materialise.
Avoid this pitfall by creating a trading strategy of your own! Research and
refine it yourself. This will give you total confidence to trade your system
through thick and thin.
privatetradingcoach.com
@davey_ptc
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Fil Lorinc
Futures trader • Coder
Stepping back and building from the core the mechanics of a successful
trade plan (integrating risk/reward, empirical probability, and capital/
risk management controls) brought the picture together for me. Using a
base set of analytics, I created for myself an essential roadmap for when
I do and when I do not want to trade; unsurprisingly, the proof was in the
numbers. I’ve never looked back.
facebook.com/futurestradingfil
@fil_lorinc
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Ilan Azbel
Algorithmic trader • Founder of Autochartist & Seer Trading Systems
Only use these technical indicators during the education phase of your
trading career; they can teach you about marketing dynamics and provide
you a basis for creating new and innovative ways of looking at market
movements.
Once you have some interesting ideas, learn R, then use more
sophisticated non-lagging smoothing algorithms like kernal regressions.
Jason Leavitt
Swing trader • Founder of Leavitt Brothers
Active trading? We’re looking for 10% gains each month, not each year.
Because of this I passed on a lot of perfectly good set ups that didn’t offer
me “enough” upside potential. In fact there were times I sat in cash waiting
for great opportunities instead of taking the good opportunities offered.
This was a mistake.
Not only do little wins add up, they enable traders to develop a better
intuitive feel for the market and therefore better prepare them to act when
a great opportunity presents itself.
I wish someone would have told me to slow down and not set my sights so
high, that simply making a couple percent each month adds up over time.
Joel Kruger
Forex trader • Former currency strategist • Founder of JKonFX
Why is it that when most people talk about what could’ve been, they focus
on what could’ve been great? I mean, how unhealthy is that? We only go
through life one time, and I would say, it’s far more important to be grateful
for what you have and spend more time appreciating what could’ve gone
wrong!
As young, aspiring traders, we tend to get caught up in this and often shoot
ourselves in the foot wondering what could’ve been if we just held on a
little longer. Instead, we should take more time understanding that it is
more important to recognize success in each small trade we take, while at
the same time appreciating how much worse a position could have been
had we not taken a small loss on a trade. Young traders have a tendency
to get sucked into the illusion of the big trade that will make their career,
and as they chase this illusion, they pull themselves further away from the
reality of what it takes to be a truly successful trader.
If it was only about one big trade, this would be nothing more than an
exercise in gambling. Sure you could hit that big trade, but what then?
How much does that really tell you about your capability to trade for the
long-term and make a career out of this? There is no such thing as ‘The Big
Trade,’ there is only the ‘Big Trader.’ The ‘Big Trader’ is the guy who wakes
up each day and over time, continues to turn out profitable results. It may
not sound all that glamorous, but I promise, it’s definitely effective.
John Welsh
Independent biotech trader
“Learning how to manage risk will make you the big bucks.”
When I tell people what I do for work, I don’t tell them I am a day trader. It’s
frowned upon. I tell them I am a risk manager. That’s what I have become.
I’m trading calculated risks when I see an opportunity. I don’t gamble, I look
for an edge that gives me the advantage over another trader. If I am wrong
on that perceived edge, I let the market tell me what to do and I take my loss
quicker than anyone else.
Lance Beggs
Full-time futures trader • Part-time trading educator
Often we’re told, “You just need to trade your system with discipline”. It
sounds logical, but it’s a false path, leading only to frustration as we get
stuck in the never-ending search for our Holy Grail trading system.
The reality is that a system cannot adapt to the uncertainty and variability
that exists in market conditions and environments.
The right path is one in which your edge comes not from your system,
but from your own skill and expertise. Develop skill in real-time analysis
of current market conditions. Develop skill in adapting tactics to suit the
current market conditions.
Immerse yourself in the charts. Study market structure – the support &
resistance structure, the trend structure. Study the way price moves within
that structure. And learn to ADAPT and exploit opportunity as it unfolds at
the right hand edge of the chart.
Matthew Owens
Stock, options and futures trader • Profit.ly Guru
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commentary and watchlists. Learn more.
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Nick Radge
Head Trader & Founder of The Chartist • Author of Unholy Grails
The key trait for trading success is the long term application of a strategy
that has a positive edge. To find a strategy with a positive edge is quite
straightforward however, the application for any length of time and risk
management is where people come unstuck.
A slow and steady long term application of a strategy with a positive edge
might not be sexy but it will allow you to stay in the market and earn some
extra income.
Peter Zhang
Partner at Sang Lucci • CEO of Flammarion Capital Partners
Overall, when starting off trading in the traditional sense (without salary), the
entire experience is very daunting and emotionally difficult to deal with as is.
Trading has always been analogous to competitive sports. In the end, what
separates you from scrub to average, average to expert, is simply how you
can manage your own psychology. With the weight of putting food on the
table, on top of performing in the markets, it can drag on your entire life.
Usually the worst scenario you can be in, is trading under additionally
stressful circumstances. Making logical decisions get thrown out of the
window, and then you’re in a bad trade. Once you’re in a bad trade, your
emotions take over, and it almost feels like life flashes across your eyes.
It’s important to stay calm and be able to make logical decisions when
trading, that should be the base layer of your emotional state. It should be
assumed that while trading, you’ll be in a heightened state of whirl-winding
emotions.
Steve Burns
Options trader • Author of New Trader, Rich Trader
The active pursuit of understanding price action and following its path of
least resistance should be every traders goal, rather than trying to predict
the markets or make great picks.
Profitability comes from identifying the long term trend and trading it
regardless of personal opinion. Learning to identify trading signals from
historic chart patterns using technical indicators is the simplest path to
trading success and profitability.
Tim Biggam
Options trader for 30+ years • Partner at RB Trader
To be a great trader, you have to accept that you will be wrong... a LOT!
There will be long periods of drawdowns that will test your resolve, and will
to continue.
But like any great endeavor, the tenacity to overcome adversity and
persevere, while adhering to your beliefs and trading plan, will ultimately
get you through the tough markets, and make you better able to position
to ascertain new heights.
Tim Walker
Independent swing trader • Author of How to Trade Like W D Gann
A trader is a person who buys and sells at a profit. It could be stocks and
commodities, used cars, antiques, real estate or anything imaginable. It
requires skills of instinct and timing and many other things.
An analyst almost never makes money; a trader will always make at least
some money. Someone who can do both has the keys to the kingdom.
Wall St Jesus
Son of the Market Gods • Lord of Wiseguy Activity
Admitting when you are wrong on a trade and being able to not only stop
yourself out, but also not look back is critical in this game. Without being
able to do this you will NEVER be able to succeed in this game long term. I
see it everyday: traders getting knocked out just because they never learn
to master this one critical aspect of trading. Trading is rather simple to me
now, WINNERS > LOSERS. Nothing else matters.
optionjesus.com
@wallstjesus
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Zach Hurwitz
Equities trader • Trading coach • Systems developer • VWAP specialist
That’s just bullshit — fluff that developing traders feed themselves to ease
the pain of not having an edge.
Coincidentally, that’s also the one common experience across all of us: the
feeling of what it’s like to be a beginner (and therefore, a terrible trader).
I’d rather be a bad trader who is honest about my skill level than a good
trader far too confident in my abilities — the former can grow to become
talented and self-aware, whereas the latter is essentially guaranteed to
meet an eventual risk explosion.
Contents
BUSINESS
Tim Grittani pg 05
Michele Koenig pg 07
Bryan Wiener pg 09
PROCESS
Dan Shapiro pg 12
Jeff Davis pg 13
Bryce Edwards pg 14
Ari Pine pg 15
STRATEGY
Paul Singh pg 17
Craig Peters pg 19
Kevin Davey pg 21
Tom Basso pg 23
Nicola Duke pg 25
Luke Cummings pg 27
POSITION SIZING
Jack Litle pg 30
Jon Boorman pg 32
Trader Steve pg 34
PSYCHOLOGY
Chris Sayce pg 37
Stuart McPhee pg 39
Kam Dhadwar pg 41
Jesse (@PsychoOnWallSt) pg 43
PERSPECTIVE
Bert Mouler pg 46
FuturesTrader71 pg 48
John Carter pg 50
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Tim Grittani
Day Trader • Equities
Perhaps your story will be like mine, where you blow up your
account once early on before finding consistency—it took me 9
months of studying/trading before I did. Perhaps it will be like
others, where you experience some early success (or luck) before
eventually giving it all back. Whatever the case, expect glorious
failure.
their account at least once before finally finding their niche and
learning to be consistent. You will likely be no exception.
MORE ABOUT TIM GRITTANI
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/10
Website: tradetheticker.blogspot.com
Twitter: @kroyrunner89
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Michele Koenig
Day & Swing Trader • Equities
These are the types of questions most traders starting out never
even consider. Most are in a hurry to start pushing buttons
without even considering some very basic questions which they
need to be able to answer.
Do you understand that losses are part of trading? How will you
handle drawdowns?
Many come to trading with a false view that it’s going to be easy,
but it’s very much the opposite. By spending some time to answer
these basic questions before you start trading will help you to be
better prepared, but also know that your plan will be a work in
progress as you develop as a trader.
MORE ABOUT MICHELE KOENIG
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/44
Website: tradeonthefly.com
Twitter: @offshorehunters
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Bryan Wiener
Options Trader • Former-CME Market Maker
After 9/11 happened the market volatility returned, but then the
drought happened between 2002-2005. During this time I still
had a salary and a bonus, so I was sheltered from what it would
be like when I finally went on my own—outside of the pit and
onto the electronic market, where I had no friendly advantage
for paper on the floor.
And that was delayed even further after I left Trading Machines,
as I found a great niche trading AAPL wings, making six-figures.
But post-AAPL split, I have been trying to find my new trade, and
it’s been a grind for over a year.
I hear so many people say they want to quit their job to become a
full-time trader, even doctors and lawyers. Well, that might just
be boredom speaking for you... Consider this before you take the
plunge, because the water isn’t always warm.
MORE ABOUT BRYAN WIENER
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/40
Website: sanglucci.com
Twitter: @dirtyautomatik
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Dan Shapiro
Day Trader • Former-Prop Trader
We hear the expression all the time “no one is perfect”. Sure,
we’re all human beings who have many faults displayed daily.
However trading is its own animal.
For the 10% of traders out there, the lucky profitable ones; value
and process is all we have to keep us from the other 90%. Our
rules are our lifeline. If we deviate from those rules, we die. In
trading we don’t have a luxury of a mulligan. You either trade
with a process or you die without one.
MORE ABOUT DAN SHAPIRO
Jeff Davis
Algorithmic Trader • S&P Futures Specialist
Until a trader understands this they will waste a lot of time and
energy. Charts, order flow software, and technical analysis are
just tools. The idea that some tool will lead to success or somehow
lead to consistent profitability is being sold to you from many
sources and is hard for aspiring traders to resist.
Realize that these are just tools used in the craft and how and
when you use them is what’s important. Spend more time on how
you will manage the trade once you are in one. Spend time on
what emotions will trigger and managing them.
This is your process. The magic comes in the actions you take.
MORE ABOUT JEFF DAVIS
Interviews: chatwithtraders.com/70
Website: medium.com/@shaq48_trading
Twitter: @shaq48_trading
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Bryce Edwards
Day Trader • ASX Equities
MORE ABOUT BRYCE EDWARDS
Interviews: chatwithtraders.com/51
Website: -
Twitter: -
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Ari Pine
Head of TradeCo Global • Quantitiative Trader
Focus on process.”
But after thinking about it, it seemed to me that this fits into the
larger framework of process driven trading (this is a hat tip to
the successful Morgan Stanley group led by Peter Muller). The
process comes with an estimate of how many times you should
expect to be wrong. Wrong is actually the wrong word. Winners
and losers both make up trading; they are neither wrong nor
right.
should still know what your set ups and exits are. Again, this
ends up being something of a re-write of “plan the trade, then
trade the plan.” Yet you have to have a good idea of what your
edge is and where it is coming from.
In the end, if there is a “one thing” then that one thing is to focus
on process. Find an exploitable edge. Understand that not every
trade will be a winner but all trades are part of the whole. Then,
go out in the markets and beat that edge to death.
MORE ABOUT ARI PINE
Interviews: chatwithtraders.com/61
Website: tradingtechnologies.com
Twitter: @std_dev
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Paul Singh
Day & Swing Trader • Equities
the big loss. He did not manage his emotions, which lead to
poor decision making. Trader B understood the market, his own
psychology, adapted his plan, and as of this writing is up 30
points on the position.
MORE ABOUT PAUL SINGH
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/58
Website: themarketspeculator.blogspot.com.au
Twitter: @pauljsingh
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Craig Peters
Algorithmic Trader • Equities
If, like me, you have a strongly analytical mind, we have the
tendency to over complicate things in the pursuit of ideas and
theories to more accurately capture market behaviour.
One more thing that’s been key in my development over the past
ten years is; thinking about whole portfolio risk, not just risk per
trade.
I’ve had the message of only risking 0.5%-2% per trade drummed
into me so many times that it’s has never been a problem for me,
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MORE ABOUT CRAIG PETERS
Interview: -
Website: -
Twitter: -
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Kevin Davey
Algorithmic Trader • World Cup of Futures Championship Winner
I spent a lot of time and effort looking for that strategy. Many
times, my historical backtest told me I had such a strategy, but
every time I started trading such a perfect strategy with real
money, I almost always lost.
But the biggest reason why you should create and trade multiple
strategies is diversification. The concept of diversification is well
documented in financial literature, and it turns out not only to
be academically acceptable, it is great in the real world, too.
MORE ABOUT KEVIN DAVEY
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/38
Website: kjtradingsystems.com
Twitter: @kjtrading
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Tom Basso
Trend Follower • Market Wizard
MORE ABOUT TOM BASSO
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/30
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Nicola Duke
Swing Trader • Futures & Forex
When I first started I had a strategy with an edge, I was really good
at seeing and executing the trades, but really bad at managing
them so I wasn’t profitable. Nothing is more destroying than
having a winner come all the way back to a scratch or a loser.
MORE ABOUT NICOLA DUKE
Interviews: chatwithtraders.com/63
Website: -
Twitter: @nictrades
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Luke Cummings
Hedge Fund Manager
MORE ABOUT LUKE CUMMINGS
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/31
Website: longandshortofit.com.au
Twitter: @lukecummings81
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Jack Litle
Global Macro Trader • High-Stakes Poker Player
Learn how to size your big bets properly and learn how to trade
cautiously and conservatively when big bets aren’t appropriate
(which is most of the time).
The big bet principle is woven into the fabric of the universe
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The art of the big bet is rarely discussed. It is one of the hardest
trading lessons to master. But doesn’t this make sense? There’s a
reason why only a small percentage of traders get rich.
MORE ABOUT JACK LITLE
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/45
Website: mercenarytrader.com
Twitter: @mercenaryjack
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Jon Boorman
Trend Follower • Chartered Market Technician
Traders are only human and need to make their own mistakes for
behavioural lessons to hit home and to develop mental fortitude.
But had I have known the role position sizing plays and truly
understood just how significantly it can impact your trading,
I feel I could’ve reached the current path in my journey much
quicker.
I’ve traded for many portfolio managers over the years and I don’t
believe any of them size positions in their portfolios to account
for a stocks volatility or for when they are wrong on an idea.
Their mandate was more about weighting their exposure in a
portfolio relative to a sector or an index.
Even as a prop trader years later, having never been taught the
concept, I still wasn’t position sizing in the way I do now...
MORE ABOUT JON BOORMAN
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/43
Website: jonboorman.com
Twitter: @jboorman
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Trader Steve
Trend Follower • Trading Coach
I found out that successful trend followers could win over a long
period of time, while at the same time they were losing on most
of their trades—how good is that?
MORE ABOUT TRADER STEVE
Interview: -
Website: thetrendfollower.com
Twitter: @uktrendfollower
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Chris Sayce
Trend Follower • Equities
Put another way, let’s say you have a winning system but you’ve
lost patience with it. Well you can address the patience issue at
a later date, but the fact you know the system is a winning one
means you should probably continue trading it.
MORE ABOUT CHRIS SAYCE
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/33
Website: -
Twitter: @chrissayce
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Stuart McPhee
Forex Trader • Author of Trading in a Nutshell
MORE ABOUT STUART MCPHEE
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/19
Website: stuartmcphee.com
Twitter: @stuartmcphee
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Kam Dhadwar
Futures Trader • NLP (Neuro Linguistic Practitioner)
The only way you’ll become the trader you aspire to be, is
purely through dedication and commitment to becoming a
more disciplined and a more patient human being (not just as
a trader). This will mean being motivated through a thorough
understanding of:
MORE ABOUT KAM DHADWAR
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/41
Website: thetradingframework.com
Twitter: @l2st
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Jesse (@PsychoOnWallSt)
Day/Swing Trader • Equities
Many new traders want to go big right away, skipping the most
vital part of what they need to learn for how to become a career
trader...
Embrace the process, take pride in the journey, and put your dick
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MORE ABOUT JESSE
Interviews: chatwithtraders.com/57
Website: psychoonwallstreet.wordpress.com
Twitter: @psychoonwallst
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Bert Mouler
Algorithmic Trader • Machine Learning
From trading the markets myself and being lucky enough to know
some very proficient traders, I’ve come to realize that they have
one thing in common; boundless creativity. There are literally
millions of ways to make money in the market. However, to be
truly great, you have to step outside the box.
you really think you’re going to outperform using the same tools
that everyone else uses? And keep your trade to parameter ratio
(# out-of-sample trades / # free variables) high.
MORE ABOUT BERT MOULER
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/42
Website: profluentcapital.com
Twitter: @bmouler
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FuturesTrader71
Futures Trader • Former-Prop Firm Owner
Everyone has been taught that if you do one thing, you should
expect a predictable outcome. Trading doesn’t work this way.
Trading is about probability and stacking the odds while
minimizing risk. Trading is about being deliberate about the
time you spend in front of the market. Time is unrecoverable
once it passes—don’t throw it away.
MORE ABOUT FUTURESTRADER71
Interview: chatwithtraders.com/37
Website: futurestrader71.com
Twitter: @futurestrader71
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John Carter
Options Trader • Author of Mastering the Trade
It’s not magic; it’s just math, news and price have very little in
common, and so on—these are oversold readings...
What happens in the past has very little to do with what will
happen in the future. The reality is that markets move in such a
way as to trick most of the people, most of the time.
The markets’ job is, in essence, to get people on the wrong side
of the trade. Suck them in long, or suck them in short, and then
spit them out.
MORE ABOUT JOHN CARTER
Interviews: chatwithtraders.com/69
Website: simplertrading.com
Twitter: @johnfcarter
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Jerry Robinson
Swing trader · Investor · Economist · Best-selling author · Founder of FTM Daily
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@FTMdaily
Although I’ve got to admit, the lifestyle is very good when you
succeed as a trader – you have the ability to work from anywhere
in the world. I’ll tell you a personal story about one of the very
first traders I met, it left this lasting impression on me. In fact
this might be the most motivating thing that drove me to become
a trader…
I met this older guy (who was probably in his late sixties), he
had a yacht which he lived on for 5-6 months out of the year,
with his wife. He would trade during the first few hours each
morning and close his computer by midday – he was done. He
would trade companies like Walmart and IBM, and he would
make $1,000-$2,000 each day using options. Because he had a lot
of money, when IBM or Walmart moved 10¢20¢ he would make
a lot of money with very low risk. I saw what he was doing I was
like, ‘You’ve got to be kidding, this is fantastic’. Because at the
time I was working a slob-job where I wasn’t happy and I’d think,
‘Man, I have to make my life something like this’.
excited by the forth the hard work that’s required to get there.
dream and I went through a period where I lost money for an entire year. It
vision of what was the worst time in my trading career; I could not make money
life could be to save my life. I was incredibly frustrated and I almost threw
as a trader, in the towel. And I think back on this time – what if I had done
that?!
but they don’t
build the This is one of the things that I tell new traders; do not give up if
bridge and set you really want this. If you really want to succeed, if you really
forth the hard want to have that lifestyle that you have in your mind then you
work that’s cannot give up, you have to continue. When you lose money you
lick your wounds and keep going, but if you stop trading then it’s
required to get
over. Now I will say this, if you don’t have a system that’s not my
there.”
recommendation to you, because you’ll continue losing money.
JERRY ROBINSON
Here’s the thing you must remember, the guys on Wall Street are
smarter than you, me and everybody that we know put together.
Or if they aren’t smarter than us, they’re certainly more slippery
than we are (that’s a cultural way of saying it, trading is a dirty
game). They see guys like you and me coming a mile away. When
we type in an order for 100 shares of a particular stock, they know
exactly who we are, and they know how to shake us out and take
our money.
give up, and to understand that you can’t do this without gaining
some knowledge and experience.
Aaron’s take:
Steve Burns
Options trader · Author of New Trader, Rich Trader · Founder of New Trader U
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@SJosephBurns
You also need strict discipline to follow a trading plan. Without the
discipline to follow your plan, it becomes worthless. Regardless
of how good you are as a trader, if you don’t have the discipline
to maintain correct position sizing, and continue taking entries
and exits as specified in your plan, you’re not going to make it.
Aaron’s take:
Peter Zhang
Major in Quant Finance · Partner at Sang Lucci · CEO of Flammarion Capital Partners
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@PZ_SL
I’ve seen these traders go down the spiral of, ‘I just need a better
* Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
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Then there are those who are really trying to trade; they may
open a prop account, seek out a good education, and they learn
some of the best practices. But a lot of times, the difficulty for
these traders is they may not be losing money, they’re just
scratch (floating around breakeven). Which may indicate they’d
be better off as a maker in the market versus a taker – meaning
they don’t cross the spread, and that’ll actually turn them onto
profitable trading.
Another issue for traders in this category is, they don’t learn real
stomach tolerance. So they always get stuck ordering position
lots of 200/500/1,000 shares. They haven’t come to terms with the
reason why they’re making mistakes, is because they don’t have
the right stomach tolerance. They can’t think in terms of, ‘If I
buy 1,000 shares at this breakout right now, I can make a couple
hundred dollars or breakeven. So maybe I should just buy 2,000
shares, because that’s how I’m going to make greater amounts of
money’.
to come to ego which prevents them from being successful. And many times
they’re taking trades while trying to match their ego with the
terms with the
next best trader.
fact that it’s
actually their It’s important to understand your own psychology, who you are
own ego which as a person, what your lifestyle is like, what your behavior is like
– and learn how to use this to your best ability.
prevents them
from being Personally, I know I hate breakouts. So if it’s a breakout market
successful.” I’m actually going to scale back. I like when the markets are
choppy, I’m a premium seller. Therefore I know when I should be
PETER ZHANG increasing my exposure and playing a little more aggressively –
if it’s my type of market.
Aaron’s take:
Zach Hurwitz
Equities trader · Trading coach · Systems developer · Founder of TheVWAP.com
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@ZachHurwitz
“Rarely will It’s understandable that traders can’t choose one style easily
traders – where do new traders even begin? – and so they often let
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Aaron’s take:
Adam Ryan
Futures trader · Founder of Optic Trader
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@OpticTrading
Part of the problem is, if you listen to what many educators are
saying, “Trading is so easy, look how I made a thousand dollars
with just 30 minutes of work,” and they really ram it down your
throat. Then you have people who get into trading, thinking
‘wow, this is going to be so easy’. Although once they get into it,
they quickly realize it’s not easy – in fact it’s extremely difficult
and they generally give up.
So I believe that many traders give up too soon, and that’s why
the majority never reach a high level of success.
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Aaron’s take:
Lance Beggs
Full-time futures trader · Part-time trading educator · Founder of Your Trading Coach
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@LanceBeggs
The first one is their relationship with loss. People come from
different backgrounds and jobs where income is pretty secure.
But in this game you eat what you kill. If you do not perform today
and get a few kills, you do not eat, you make no money. Trading
is a performance activity in an environment of uncertainty, so
you need to expect losses. You need to accept that losses are just
part of the game, and you need to learn how to manage them.
That is something that traders often don’t understand, and you
can’t understand until you’ve got experience – so it takes time.
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LANCE BEGGS To summarize, many traders simply aren’t using the right process
for learning. They’re looking for the quick buck systems and not
treating it as a process of skill development. That’s probably the
main reason, but there are many more traps around – this is not
an easy game.
Aaron’s take:
a 100% win rate, nor do they need to. In fact, the majority of
professional traders are wrong more often than they’re right.
This is where effective risk management comes into play.
Jason Leavitt
Swing trader · Position trader · Founder of Leavitt Brothers
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@JasonLeavitt
First of all, the traders that don’t succeed don’t have a plan. They
just don’t. They hope, they fantasize, they dream, and they want
things to go their way, but they don’t have a plan. They don’t
know what they’ll do if the market goes up, they don’t know what
they’ll do if the market gaps up, they don’t know what they’ll do
if the market gaps up and then sells off. They pretty much just
wing it…
They get into a position and they don’t know where their stop is,
they don’t know if it’s a short term trade or a long term trade,
they don’t know if they’re going to scale out, they don’t know if
they’re going to add a new position if it breaks out and then pulls
back. They literally just fly by the seat of their pants, because
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Even though 90% of the plan will never matter, at least they’ll
contemplate, ‘What will I do if the market does this,’ and, ‘what
will I do if the market does that?’ If they have ten of these
different scenarios that they’ve thought out, obviously most of
them are never going to happen, but going through the motion
of outlining a plan is an extremely helpful exercise.
All traders need to sit down and say, “What’s my plan for today?
What am I going to do if this happens? What am I going to do if
that happens?” Play devil’s advocate – that’s what they need to
do, but they don’t.
“They get into In addition to this, they don’t take a loss. When they get into a
a position that position that goes against them, they should get out, but they’re
goes against afraid of taking a loss, so instead of exiting they bargain and
negotiate with the market. They say, “If it can just go back up, I’ll
them, they
get out at breakeven,” and then it goes against them even more.
should get out,
Next they say, “Well if it can just go back up to where it was two
but they’re days ago, then I’ll get out with a small loss,” but it doesn’t go
afraid of back up, it keeps moving against them. Before they know it, a
taking a loss” perfectly normal loss turns into a huge loss. This creates a major
problem. Not only do they suffer because of the money that they
JASON LEAVITT lost, but also their confidence is shot, their emotions are shot
and it spirals from there…
So if you flip this around and you want to know how to become
successful:
• Make a deal with yourself that you will never let a small loss
turn into a big loss.
Aaron’s take:
John Welsh
Biotech trader · Fundamental analyst
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@JohnWelshTrades
Aaron’s take:
execute your own trade ideas. You are not required to have
the same views as the majority. While it’s often hard to go
against the grain, just remember, most market participants
do lose money. Markets move money from the hands of many,
to the hands of a few.
Stuart McPhee
Equities + FX trader · Author of Trading In A Nutshell
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@StuartMcPhee
should, and I’m going to say the word again ‘time’ – not investing
the time.
I play a lot of golf, which is one of the reasons why I don’t like
looking at a screen for ten hours a day. But I am not a professional
golfer, I don’t make one cent from playing golf. In fact it costs me
money; I recently bought a set of clubs that cost a lot of money,
and my membership fees cost a lot of money. While I don’t make
any money playing golf, and I’m not a professional – I still love
playing golf. BUT it’s a hobby.
“Too many And from what I see, too many traders treat trading as a hobby.
traders treat They enjoy it, they spend time doing it, they’re happy to do it,
trading as a but at the end of the day it costs them money. They don’t take
the next step of becoming professional. So to many, trading is a
hobby.”
hobby and not a profession. Golf for me is a hobby, but trading
STUART MCPHEE
demands more of my time and respect.
Aaron’s take:
Adam Grimes
Diversified trader · Systems developer · Author of The Art & Science of Technical Analysis
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@AdamHGrimes
Aaron’s take:
results) along the way. By setting the bar artificially high, it’s
likely you’ll feel like a constant underachiever. But, also be
mindful not set the bar too low, as it’s healthy to push yourself.
Mike Bellafiore
Prop trader · Co-founder of SMB Capital · Author of The Playbook + One Good Trade
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@MikeBellafiore
Aaron’s take:
David Bush
Quant trader · Systems developer · 1st Place winner of BattleFin
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@Alphatative
“It’s a matter So your lenses constantly change while you develop as a trader,
of being but some people are just going to say, “You know, I just don’t
prepared to want to dig that deep, it’s too challenging. You mean I’m going
to have to look into my psychology, and examine my own belief
dig deep.”
system? Come on, that has nothing to do with trading…” But of
course it does, it has everything to do with trading. Especially as
a discretionary trader, since you’re more prone to succumbing to
biases, and usually with larger positions. So it’s a matter of being
prepared to dig deep.
than me. This way I’m exposed to more ideas, more knowledge,
and more perspectives, so I’m constantly exposing myself to new
ways of thinking. But I feel like this is more than some people are
up for, and to me, that’s probably the number one reason most
traders fail.
So if I can condense this down to two words, I’d say ‘digging deep’
– that’s what is required. But some traders are going to leave it at
a certain level and aren’t willing to push on to get to where they
could be.
Aaron’s take:
Ivaylo Ivanhoff
Swing trader · Position trader · Co-founder of Social Leverage 50
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@Ivanhoff
I believe that if you learn one great setup, and trade it for the first
couple years you will become successful. Of course you still have
to know when to trade this setup, because there will be times
when you need to sit on the sideline and do nothing (your setup
won’t have an edge in certain market conditions). Over time
you’ll be able to start adding new setups. But in the beginning,
less is more – so you have to concentrate on one specific setup.
The best part is there are many working setups that are shared
for free in the public domain, and many great books that you can
buy for a small cost. This way you can take a working setup from
another trader that you know is already profitable, which you
can then tinker to fit your own lifestyle, or based on your own
study of past winners.
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Aaron’s take:
Brad Jelinek
Prop trader · Futures markets
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@JelinBra
The first thing you must have is that desire and fight inside of
you – you have to really want to do this. Because as a trader,
everyone goes through tough times and dark days. But it’s that
knowingness and willingness to do anything it takes that keeps
you moving forward. You can’t defeat someone who keeps getting
up after every setback.
Aaron’s take:
• Trading will test you, and there will be moments when you’re
pushed to the verge of breaking point. So if you cannot uphold
a high-level of commitment, you will crumble when the going
gets tough. On the other hand, if you have a lionheart and an
undeniable passion for what you do, you’ll be unstoppable.
• When you hit a rough patch, reduce your position sizes. One
may be inclined to do the opposite as a way to reaccumulate
losses quicker, but in reality, this is how things escalate from
bad to worse – fast.
Andrew Falde
Options trader · Systems trader · Educator at SMBu
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@AndrewFalde
One reason is, traders enter the market with a lot of confidence
because they are often smart, or they may be more intelligent
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“They have So in many areas of life, willpower will lead you to overcome the
to learn very issue at hand, and you’ll be rewarded with positive results. And
quickly their those who are attracted to the markets, have often experienced
this in one way or another...
willpower has
no place in the But when it comes to trading, they have to learn very quickly their
markets.” willpower has no place in the markets. Using their willpower
they say, “I’m going to hang on to this trade until I am right. I am
ANDREW FALDE going to will this system to work. I am going to will this trade to
work. I know I am going to be right”. This is the approach they
bring to the market, and the worst thing that could happen is
they get rewarded for it a few times. Lets say they call the top in
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Instead the mentality that works is, to know when you’re wrong,
and understand there’s nobody who can be right 100% of the time.
As soon as you’re wrong, and you get to a point that has exceeded
your expectation of what should happen, then you need to do
something about it.
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Aaron’s take:
• The worst thing that can happen to you, is you profit from
breaking your rules, because this means you’ll be more
inclined to do it again. Then before you know it, you’re trading
without a plan and every decision is based off of a gut feeling.
Brian Shannon
Swing trader · Author of TA Using Multiple Timeframes · Founder of AlphaTrends
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@AlphaTrends
They want to get involved in the market right away, and they
see it as an opportunity to make easy money. When in fact, it’s
extremely difficult. Trading success first comes from having a
solid understanding of yourself.
combination them, they begin pulling up news, looking for other opinions and
their ego does not allow them to take a quick loser when they
of impatience
should.
and ego.”
Even though they went into the trade with a plan and said, “I’m
BRIAN SHANNON
going to cut my loss here,” their ego gets in the way and says,
“no, just buy a little more, it’s definitely going to bounce.” All
along, they’re compounding their problems.
So the reason why the majority fail comes down to, not
understanding their appropriate timeframe and being impatient.
Also, not learning the mechanics of how the market actually
trades, and not understanding the psychology of money flow
before they start the sizing up positions.
Aaron’s take:
Howard Lindzon
Trader · Investor · Hedge fund manager · Angel investor · Co-founder of StockTwits
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@HowardLindzon
They don’t have the right mentorship, so they just give up.
Also the media drums into people that you cannot beat the
market. While I agree it’s not easy to beat the market, I don’t
think ‘beating the market’ should even be in your vocabulary – it
should be about ‘destroying the market’!
If you’re going to trade, why would you do this to earn 12% a year
when the S&P is 9% a year? I do this because I want to have years
of 80-100% returns, or greater.
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because they
Most of the time you can solve these problems now that you
have the wrong have podcasts etc, with people telling you the truth about their
expectations, own experiences, which you can learn from. This type of media
and started wasn’t as easily accessible in 1990 when I started, but now there
for the wrong is no excuse not to dig into a few podcasts, or try a few financial
sites and see if you can find a mentor through these channels.
reasons.”
Aaron’s take:
Peter Brandt
Legendary trader · Classical chartist · Author: Diary of a Professional Commodity Trader
What’s the reason why most traders never succeed?
@PeterLBrandt
They are afraid to lose – that’s the number one reason. I see so
many traders who are afraid to put on a position, because they’re
worried about being wrong.
The problem is, novice traders come into the futures markets
and they say, “My goodness, the margin on one contract of beans
is $3,000 and I have $30,000 in my account, I think I’ll buy 10
contracts.” Well, I buy one contract of beans for every $100,000
in my account, or 10 per $1,000,000. When I tell them this, they’re
shocked at how small I trade. So I believe a mistake that many
aspiring futures traders make, is trading way too large.
Aaron’s take:
Aaron Fifield
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Contents
Foreword pg 04
Final Words pg 18
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Foreword
As I read through my emails each week, there’s one question that
pops up more than anything else—and it’s a good question. But
the only problem is, I feel like an email is not the ideal medium
to give the detail response it deserves, without going on to write
3000 words like I have here.
Like I said, it’s a good question, and I like that you’re thinking
this way. But you might be surprised to know, that the purpose of
writing this guide is not to give you a rigid step-by-step process
for how to get a trading mentor. As far as I’m aware, such a
process does not exist. The role of a mentor will serve a different
purpose for everyone. So let me explain…
To further set the scene; if you would of hit me with this question
about how to get a trading mentor at the end of 2014, I would have
been stumped for an answer. But having had the opportunity to
speak with many successful traders (many who owe at least a
portion of their success to a mentor-like figure), I’ve picked up a
thing or two about actively seeking help, and it’s only right that
I pass this on to you.
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you’ll arrive at where everything is beer and Skittles (as they say).
Peter Brandt is a prime example of this, even after 45+ years of
trading and an incredible track record, he still considers himself
to be a ‘student of the market’.
Experience
And to take it one step further, even when you feel like a total
loser, you need to continue striving for betterment without being
deterred. You need to be able to prove to yourself that you can
take a few hits without throwing in the towel, until then you’re
not worthy of a mentors time.
Knowledge
There will eventually come a point when you either; hit a (genuine)
roadblock, or the rate at which you’re learning compared to the
amount of time and effort you’re putting into your study begins
to plateau.
Take Twitter for example, you’ll find all sorts of traders knocking
about there. Many active traders are constantly sharing insight,
giving their take on the market, and speaking about the positions
they’re trading. Plus you can see what they’re reading from the
links and articles they pass around. This is a good way (and
a quick way) to get a sense of what someone is all about, and
whether or not their style of trading clicks with the way you like
to trade.
It’s also totally fine to tweet someone you’ve never met before,
without being worried about coming off as “creepy” (as you
might appear on a platform like Facebook), or even jump into
an existing conversation if you can add value or give another
perspective.
But Twitter is not the only option, it’s just one of many. You may
also consider getting involved in Facebook groups, like the Chat
With Traders one which is free to join. Here you can interact with
other like-minded traders, and there’s also some really decent
traders in the group who regularly offer support too.
The main thing is to put yourself out there, because people are
attracted to ambition, drive and enthusiasm (unless they’re
intimidated). I wouldn’t mind betting, you’ll end up finding the
person who becomes your mentor in a way you least expected.
Once you get a response, it’s important to make sure they know
you’re grateful for their time. The ultimate way of showing this
is by taking their advice, putting it into action and sharing the
result with them. This not only shows you’re serious, but it will
also give you another reason to make contact with your potential
mentor.
Well, there’s two main reasons that come to mind right now:
Managing Expectations
In many cases a mentor may not teach you their exact trading
strategy (or strategies), and that’s rarely a bad thing. Because as
you’ve probably heard numerous times on the podcast, those who
are successful trade a strategy that aligns with their personality.
As Nicola Duke highlighted on episode 63, her mentor of many
years never once showed her a single setup or told her what stock
to buy or sell.
A good mentor will likely focus on how you can best develop a
profitable methodology of your own and what they believe to
be true about markets. This will probably challenge some of the
preconceptions and thoughts you already have about trading,
but don’t check out—keep an open mind, listen and trust what
they’re telling you.
Their role is to push you beyond your comfort zone, call you out
when you drop the ball and be honest with you. So encourage
and embrace raw feedback from your mentor, even if it’s not
what you want to hear in the moment.
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• If you live in the same city and your mentor has an office,
offer to come in and help with paper work.
ahead and act on it. I’d encourage you to go above and beyond
too, this will show that you’re not relying on your mentor to hold
your hand and you have some real initiative.
The last thing I’ll share is, work in with their availability. If your
mentor happens to be in living in an opposite timezone and is
only available at 4:30am on the weekend, get up and show up.
Take whatever time you can get—remember; it’s you that needs
this, not your mentor.
If you get six months down the track and you find it doesn’t
work out, don’t take it personally. People are busy. The positive
is you’ve probably learned a lot regardless and since you’ve been
through the process of linking up with a mentor once, you can
certainly do it again!