Neuro Long Case
Neuro Long Case
Neuro Long Case
Common Cases
1. Stroke
2. Collapse
3. Seizures
4. Motor Neuron Disease
5. Multiple Sclerosis (Neurological decompensation or complication)
6. Parkinsons (Complications most likely fall)
1. Stroke
Definition of TIA: neurological deficit which resolves within 24 hours of onset and there is no
radiological features of a stroke.
Radiological evidence overrules timeline when trying to decide on diagnosis - Stroke Vs TIA
Symptoms
Need to illicit all of these in history: Cranial nerve, Motor nerve, sensory nerve or cerebellar
deficits.
Localise each of the symptoms to the side of the body and the specific limbs.
Timeline is important
NIHSS scale (do not need to know details of this score): it is a score that helps decide
whether you will thrombolyse and prognostic indicator. If score <4 or >21 then you dont
thrombolyse. <4 because risks of thrombolysis outweighs benefit and vice versa.
Discoordination: Patients report cant pick stuff up, clumsy, drop stuff you must
get the timeline and localise it.
Start to put together the territory of the stroke (Anterior or Posterior and Dominant or Not
Dominant)
Anterior circulation means they have either anterior cerebral artery or middle
cerebral artery involvement and have a combination of contralateral sensory
motor and visual deficit. Speech deficit indicates that it is a dominant lobe stroke. If
there is no speech deficit you cannot exclude a dominant lesion because the lesion
could be small. In Anterior circulation stroke if symptoms worse in leg then superior
part of the MCA is affected and if worse in upper limbs then inferior part is affected.
Posterior Circulation involves posterior cerebral artery with all of its communicating
arteries. Classic features are contralateral motor loss, and less commonly a sensory
loss. Also have features of dysarthria, nausea, vomiting and vertigo. Posterior inferior
communicating artery syndrome(PICA) AKA lateral medullary syndrome: a specific
type of posterior circulation stroke where you have the symptoms above as well as
nystagmus and dissociated sensory loss, so ipsilateral sensory loss from the face up
and contralateral from the face down because of decussation.
Visual Defects:
Cortical blindness: Patient has poor insight in their loss of visual acuity, in occipital
lobe lesion of posterior circulation. Patient bumps into things commonly.
Risk Factors:
- Did they put you on a BP monitor? Has it been high since you came in?
- Did they put a heart tracing on you? Did they say there was an irregular rate?
- Did they do an ultrasound of your heart? Did they find any clots there?
- Did they do an U/S of your neck? Did they find any narrowing there?
- Did they do a scan of your head? Did they just do a scan (CT) or did they put a wire
in to try and take out the clot(CTA/MRA)?
- Did they give you medication in your arm to try and break up the clot?
Medication
Ask the patient about each of these medications even if the patient doesnt know.
Statin
Anti-hypertensive
Diuretics
Diabetic Medication
Inhalers Smokers
Are these tablets you had before admission or since you came into hospital?
Social History
Drinking, smoking?
At the moment are you able to feed yourself, dress yourself, walk and go to the toilet by
yourself? If they answer no to any these then ask Bedroom and bathroom downstairs? Is
there a step into the bath? Is there a chairlift?
Who cooks for you at home? Who does the shopping? How far are the shops? Meals on
wheels? Home help?
Since youve been in hospital have you been seeing the physiotherapist, occupational
therapist, SALT? If yes then this gives you the sense that they are quite debilitated.
Risk Factors
1. Has anyone ever told you that you have marfans, SLE, etc?
2. Have you been told that you have any infections? Did they mention that there might
be any infection around the brain like meningitis or encephalitis?
3. Woman miscarriages? DVT? PE?
4. New medications like OCP?
5. Ever been told you have a murmur in your heart?
6. Were you in an accident?
2. Collapse
Cardiogenic: could be vasovagal, arrhythmia, structural heart disease
Was it witnessed of not? Are you getting their history or the collateral?
How long did it last? Secs to mins cardiogenic syncope ( if not short lived its
cardiac arrest) Neurological tends to be longer
During the episode were you still and slumped on the floor or were your legs and
arms moving?
Were you aware of anything that is happening? LOC?
Incontinence and tongue biting?
Have you ever been told you have a very fast/slow heart beat? An irregular heartbeat?
Have you had lots of fainting episodes before? Do they always occur when you go from
sitting to standing or lying to standing?
Have you been told you have a murmur in your heart? That you have narrow valves? Leaky
valves?
Do you have diabetes? What was your blood sugar before and after the event?
Have you hit your head? Or had an accident? Subdural haemorrhage: Trauma 6-8 weeks
ago?
Medications:
Antihypertensive agents
Anti-epileptics
Anti-biotic
(If they have known postural hypotension treat Conservatively first then fludrocortisone or
midrodine)
Did they have an U/S of their heat done? Any narrowed or leaky valves?
Did anyone measure their BP sitting and standing? Was there a drop when you stood?
Did they do a test when you slept on a table and they strapped you onto it? And you were
brought up? Did you get dizzy or go unconscious?
Did they put a monitor on you that you had to press when you felt dizzy? (helpful in
bradyarrhythmia)
3. Seizure
History similar to collapse history
Have they had leads attached to their head to do tracing of your brain activity?
Did they have an U/S of their liver done? (Evidence of underlying cirrhosis)
4. Multiple Sclerosis
Presentations
No classical presentation, they present with a mixture of central nervous disease. The
lesions do not localise to one area in the brain.
Most commonly relapsing remitting symptoms come on acutely, get worse for a few days
then resolve completely. They recur later on.
Secondary progressing begins at relapsing remitting at first but then left with some deficit
at later relapses
Primary progressive residual deficit since first incident, with each incident left with more
deficits
With each new episode is there anything new or extra that happened as well as the stuff you
described before?
1. Infections (UTI due to urinary retention, skin infections due to sensory deficits,
aspiration pneumonia, Immunosuppressed on high dose steroids)
2. Uhtoffs phenomenon heat causes worsening symptoms. Have they been away on
holiday somewhere warm? Is Ireland warmer?
3. Stress
4. Concurrent Illness
Do they have any other autoimmune diseases? Where the body attacks itself?
Hypothyroidism addisons etc.
1. Female
2. Early age of onset
3. Time between index episode and the second episode
4. Severity of index episode
CT brain
Brain tracing
Biopsy of muscle
Biopsy of nerve