Plab 2 Notes Day 2
Plab 2 Notes Day 2
Plab 2 Notes Day 2
express explicitly a desire for information, it may lessen the anxiety associated with divulging
the bad news. However, shunning information is a valid psychological coping mechanism and
may be more likely to be manifested as the illness becomes more severe. Discussing
information disclosure at the time of ordering tests can cue the physician to plan the next
discussion with the patient. Examples of questions asked the patient would be, “How would
you like me to give the information about the test results? Would you like me to give you all
the information or sketch out the results and spend more time discussing the treatment plan?”.
If patients do not want to know details, offer to answer any questions they may have in the
future or to talk to a relative or friend.
3. Doctor: [Moves his chair closer, offers the patient a tissue, and pauses.] I know that
this isn't what you wanted to hear. I wish the news were better.
In the above dialogue, the physician observed the patient crying and realized that the patient
was tearful because of the bad news. He moved closer to the patient. At this point he might
have also touched the patient's arm or hand if they were both comfortable and paused a moment
to allow her to get her composure. He let the patient know that he understood why she was
upset by making a statement that reflected his understanding. Other examples of empathic
responses can be seen in Table 2⇓.
Table 2.
These difficult discussions can be greatly facilitated by using several strategies. First, many
patients already have some idea of the seriousness of their illness and of the limitations of
treatment but are afraid to bring it up or ask about outcomes. Exploring the patient's knowledge,
expectations, and hopes (step 2 of SPIKES) will allow the physician to understand where the
patient is and to start the discussion from that point. When patients have unrealistic
expectations (e.g., “They told me that you work miracles.”), asking the patient to describe the
history of the illness will usually reveal fears, concerns, and emotions that lie behind the
expectation. Patients may see cure as a global solution to several different problems that are
significant for them. These may include loss of a job, inability to care for the family, pain and
suffering, hardship on others, or impaired mobility. Expressing these fears and concerns will
often allow the patient to acknowledge the seriousness of their condition. If patients become
emotionally upset in discussing their concerns, it would be appropriate to use the strategies
outlined in step 5 of SPIKES. Second, understanding the important specific goals that many
patients have, such as symptom control, and making sure that they receive the best possible
treatment and continuity of care will allow the physician to frame hope in terms of what it is
possible to accomplish. This can be very reassuring to patients.
Dr: Hello Mr and Mrs Pilmore ? ….. I am Dr ….. one of the junior doctor in the
Paediatric department. Are you the parents of Joshua ? Parents: Yes doc
Dr: I am one of the team of doctors looking after your son.
Parent: Oh, How is he doctor ?
Dr: Joshua is in the resuscitation room now. Our team is taking care of him.
I have come here to talk to you about him. Before that – Mr Pilmore, I was told that he
met with an accident. Can you please tell me more about ii?
Parent: Doctor we were about to go to a restaurant and Joshua suddenly ran to cross the
road and the next thing I heard he was calling me Papa Papa. When we saw him he was
under the car. We called the ambulance immediately. They brought him here.
Dr: I am very sorry to hear that. When did this happen ?
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Dr: As I mentioned our team will try to do the best for Joshua. As I told you before, most
of the time children do recover from the problem once we do the operation and remove
the blood clot from inside his head. However, there is slight chance that he may not
make it. I am sorry to say this.
Mother may cry – console her and dad. ( tissues – glass of water to drink).
Parent: Doctor I can’t believe this !
Dr: I can’t even imagine how you are feeling now. We will do everything possible from
our side.
Parent: Thank you doctor
Parent: Can we see him?
Dr: I can understand you want to see him. As you know at the moment we are
resuscitating him. You may not be able to see him for long time because we need to
operate on him as soon as possible. May be you can have a quick look at him now
and you can see him properly after the operation, is that OK Mr and Mrs Pilmore.
Parent: Ok doctor. Will there be any damage to the brain after the operation ?
Dr: Hopefully he will not have any brain damages. However, we can’t say much about it
now. We may know that only after the surgery.
Dr: Any other concerns Mr and Mrs Pilmore? Parents : No doctor.
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Dr: Thank you. I need to ask you few questions about his health ? Is that OK?
Parents : OK
Dr: Can I ask you how was Joshua’s health before this happened
? Parent: He was completely fine.
Dr: Did he have any medical conditions at all ? Parents: No
Dr: Is he on any medications? Parent: No
Dr: Is he allergic to anything you know? Parent: Strawberries
doctor.
Dr: I see. It is good that you told me about it. I will make a note of
this in his notes and let everyone know about this so that no one
gives him strawberries here. Can I ask is he allergic to any
medications at all? Parents - No
Dr: Any medical conditions in the family members ? Parent: No
Dr: When did he last eat or drink? Parent: Just before this happened / in the morning.
Dr: How many hours ago is that? Parents … hours ago.
Dr: Thank you very much for the information. Is there any other questions? Parents:
No
Dr: Thank you very much Mr and Mrs Pilmore, once again I am very sorry to give this
news.
Dr: Hello Mr and Mrs Martin ? ….. I am Dr ….. one of the junior doctor in the
Paediatric department. Are you the parents of Joshua ? Parents: Yes doc
Dr: I am one of the team of doctors looking after your son.
Parent: Oh, How is he doctor ?
Dr: Joshua is in the resuscitation room now. Our team is taking care of him.
I have come here to talk to you about him. Before that – Mr Martin, I was told that he
met with an accident. Can you please tell me more about ii?
Parent: Doctor we were about to go to a restaurant and Joshua suddenly ran to cross the
road and the next thing I heard he was calling me Papa Papa. When we saw him he was
under the car. We called the ambulance immediately. They brought him here.
Dr: I am very sorry to hear that. When did this happen ?
successful and we will be able to control the bleeding. However sometimes it is be very
difficult to control the bleeding in that case it can still be very serious and it can be even
life threatening.
Parent: Is he going to die doctor ?
Dr: As I mentioned our team will try to do the best for Joshua. As I told you before, most
of the time children do recover from the problem once we do the operation and fix the
broken bones.
However, there is a very slight chance that he may not make it.
Mother may cry – console her and dad. ( tissues – glass of water to drink).
Parent: Doctor I can’t believe this !
Dr: I can’t even imagine how you are feeling now. We will do everything possible from
our side.
Parent: Thank you doctor
Can we see him?
Dr: I can understand you want to see him. As you know at the moment we are
resuscitating him. You may not be able to see him for long time because we need to
operate on him as soon as possible. May be you can have a quick look at him now
and you can see him properly after the operation, is that OK Mr and Mrs Martin.
Dr: Any other concerns Mr and Mrs Martin ? Parents : No doctor.
Dr: Thank you. I need to ask you few questions about his health ? Is that OK?
Parents : OK
Dr: Can I ask you how was Joshua’s health before this happened
? Parent: He was completely fine.
Dr: Did he have any medical conditions at all ? Parents: No
Dr: Is he on any medications? Parent: No
Dr: Is he allergic to anything you know? Parent: Strawberries
doctor.
Dr: I see. It is good that you told me about it. I will make a note of
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this in his notes and let everyone know about this so that no one
gives him strawberries here. Can I ask is he allergic to any
medications at all? Parents - No
Dr: Any medical conditions in the family members ? Parent: No
Dr: When did he last eat or drink? Parent: Just before this happened / in the morning.
Dr: How many hours ago is that? Parents … hours ago.
Dr: Thank you very much for the information. Is there any other questions? Parents:
No
Dr: Thank you very much Mr and Mrs Pilmore, once again I am very sorry to give this
news.
Dr: Can I ask you few questions about his health? Wife: Yes doctor.
Dr : Did he have any medical conditions at all? Wife - No
Dr: Like High blood pressure ? Diabetes? Any heart conditions or kidney problems?
Wife : No
Dr: Any stroke or mini strokes before ? Wife: No
Dr: Mrs Ali, we did a CT scan of his head and we got the result. Did anyone discuss
the CT scan result with you ?
Wife: No doctor ?
Dr: Before I tell you the result MRs Ali can you please tell me - Do you have any
idea what may be happening to him ?
Wife: No doctor.
Dr: I am very sorry to say this - it is not a good news. He has a very serious
condition. Do you want to know about it?
Wife: Yes doctor.
Dr: Do you want any of your family members to be with you when we discuss this?
Wife: No it is OK doctor.
Dr: Mrs Ali, CT scan of his head showed there is massive bleeding inside his head.
This is a very serious condition.
Wife: But don’t you have any treatment for that?
Dr: Sometimes we can do surgery to treat this condition. We have discussed his
condition with the Neurosurgeon but he thinks the surgery or any other treatment
will not help for your husband’s condition because the bleeding is very huge.
Dr: I really wish I could say it is not true. But unfortunately Mrs Ali that is
Dr: Mrs Ali There are various reasons this condition can happen. In his case he had
some abnormal blood vessels in his head which were kind of swollen and thin and that
blood vessel suddenly ruptured and caused this heavy bleeding. Also since he had
high blood pressure sometimes the high blood pressure can contribute to this problem.
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Mrs Ali as you may know he is still unconscious but breathing on his own at the
moment.
I really wish we could keep him in the ITU and treat him. But we keep only such
patients in the ITU to treat - with whom we expect them to recover from the
condition. Unfortunately, we are not expecting that Mr Ali will recover from his
condition.
Keeping him in the ITU even if he stops breathing is not going to help him.
My consultant will discuss these things with you because your opinion is also
very important for us. What do you think Mrs Ali ?
Wife: I can understand. Are you not going to do anything at all for him ?
Dr: Mrs Ali, However we are going to do everything possible from our side to keep
him comfortable. We will provide him palliative care – that is we will be providing
all types of care to keep him comfortable.
Wife: When do you think he may die?
Dr: I really wish that I could say that he can live very long
and healthy life but Mrs Ali he may not live very long. He
may die any day.
Wife: I have 2 sons. Should I tell them to come here ?
Dr: Mrs Ali I think you should tell them to come here
because as I mentioned it is a very serious condition now.
Wife: Can I take him home doctor ?
Dr: Yes surely Mrs. Ali. We will make all the arrangements so that you can take
him home and we will provide all types of care and support you may need to look
after him as long as he lives.
Dr: Is there any other
concerns?
Wife: No doctor.
Dr: Once again I am very sorry to give you this bad news.
Wife: Thank you doctor
Dr: Thank you very much Mrs. Ali. If you need any help please do let us know.
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Dr: Hello Mr I am Dr…. one of the junior doctor in the surgical department.
How are you doing?
Pt: I am OK
Dr: I am one of the team of doctors looking after your wife Mrs.
I am here to talk to you about her condition. Do you know anything about how her
condition is now?
Pt: She had a surgery. I just came to see her now. I don’t know doctor how she is now.
How is she doctor?
Dr: I really wish I had a good news for you. But Mr..I am very sorry to say this she is in a
very critical condition now.
Pt: Why doctor what happened ?
Dr: After the surgery she was moved to the ward then we noticed that she started
bleeding heavily. We already transfused her 6 bags of blood. Unfortunately bleeding
has not stopped. So we have shifted her to the operation theatre again to try to stop
the bleeding. My Consultant is with her in the theatre. Our whole team is trying our
best to stop the bleeding.
Pt: OK. I need to go for my work now. Shall I come back after she is back from the
theatre?
Dr: Mr. I am very sorry to say that this condition is very serious because we may not
be able to stop the bleeding and it is a life threatening situation now.
Pt: What do you mean ? Do you mean she may not make it ?
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Dr: I really wish to I could say she is not in danger but unfortunately that is true Mr...
We are trying our best to stop the bleeding but it is very difficult to stop the bleeding in
such situation and if we do not succeed in stopping the bleeding she will not survive.
Pt: I think you did the operation unnecessarily and you are giving me my wife’s dead
body now.
Dr: I am really sorry if I made you feel that way. I can imagine why you are feeling that
way. It was essential at that time to do the surgery to save her leg.
Pt: Why is that you say it is difficult to stop the bleeding? Where is she bleeding from?
Dr: Let me explain her condition and what operation we did on her and you can
understand where she is bleeding and why it is difficult to stop the bleeding.
We all have a big blood vessel in our tummy called Aorta which branches out into
smaller branches and it continues in to the leg as femoral artery which supplies blood
to the leg. She had blockage in the femoral artery in the top part of her thigh so the
blood was not flowing into her leg.
pass the blockage. We have succeeded in restoring the blood supply to the leg but
unfortunately she has bleeding now. Bleeding is happening where we joined the
artificial tube to the original blood vessel. Because blood is under heavy pressure in
that area it is very difficult for us to stop the bleeding.
However my seniors are doing their best to stop the bleeding. Let us hope they will
succeed.
Pt: Doctor I have two sons. Do you think I should inform them?
Dr: Mr … Yes surely you can tell them that she is in a serious situation.
Pt: Should I tell them to come here ?
Dr: Yes, Unfortunately the condition is very serious Mr. I think you should tell them to
come here very soon.