Talk:Arabic poetry

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Ignorant Poetry

"The pre-Islamic poetry is commonly referred to in Arabic as "الشعر الجاهلي" or Jahili poetry, literally "the ignorant poetry". Who commonly to refers to it as that? Are there any other way it is referred to? Since 'ignorant' in this context only means 'ignorant of Islam', there should be an effort to make this clear.

There is no other way to refer to them, ironically, these poems are more complex and much better than today's poetry--BelalSaid (talk) 01:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Navid Kermani - Silent Sirens

Apparently, there is an excellent piece in the Times Literary Supplement for October 1, 2004, called "Silent Sirens," by Navid Kermani. Could somebody please have a look and see if that could be a useful reference? - jredmond 20:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Term 'Saj' missing

On Arabic_literature#Arabic_poetry there is an explanation about the term 'Saj'. This term does not appear in this article about Arabic poetry at all, which is strange. Could someone add it? See also Saj (disambiguation). Wiki-uk 06:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Saj' is prose not poetry; not related and should probably be added to Arabic prose (if such an article exists). --Maha Odeh 05:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POV

This is simply the same rhyme used on every line of a poem. While this may seem a poor rhyme scheme for people used to English literature it makes sense in a language like Arabic which has only three vowels which can be either long or short.

This a POV and it is not accurate, it implies that this is a defect in the language; this can be overturned by a pro-Arabic language to say that English has mulitiple rhymes because the language does not have sufficient vocabulary to support a single rhyme.

Arabic and English are two different languages and work in different ways and accordingly the concept of the vowel in English does not apply to Arabic, which has it's own concept and defenition of a vowel. Also, rhyme in Arabic works in a different way simply because the whole language works in a different way; some Arabic poets do change the rhyme and that is usually considered a defect in their poetry. Except for the first sentance, the whole paragraph should be deleted. --Maha Odeh 05:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Basit and tawil

Basit and tawil should be mentioned. Badagnani (talk) 22:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Princeton Arabic Poetry

Hi all,

My Arabic is very poor but I am interested to learn more.

I have just added a new external link: http://www.princeton.edu/~arabic/poetry/

You can read and listen to the poems, very nice! Can someone please find any or all of these poems as texts - I am looking for a soft copy? Or if there are good translations, I am interested as well. Please add it to my talk page, in case I miss your answer. --Atitarev (talk) 22:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redlinks

There is a very high proportion of red links (internal links to non-existent pages) in this article. They encompass both poetic terms and names of poets. Would anyone object if I removed them (I mean the non-existent links, not the terms/names themselves)? Thanks for any input
--Yumegusa (talk) 13:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the absence of objection, I've removed the majority. --Yumegusa (talk) 11:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Target"

This sentence under Pre-Islamic Poetry seems to make no sense: "This characteristic was later dropped from the Arabic poem and some Arab poets, such as Abu Nuwas, became a target of mockery of pre-Islamic poetry." I think it's probably trying to say, "This characteristic was later dropped and some poets such as Abu Nuwas mocked pre-Islamic poetry for it." Can anyone confirm this?Sartoresartus (talk) 08:21, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what it means. While your suggestion may be true, I don't think it's safe to make that statement without refs. I've removed the sentence - someone who knows the answer should reinstate it more clearly and with refs. --Yumegusa (talk) 11:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Marrash family

I have prepared an article about writer and poet Francis Marrash. He and his sister seem to have been quite important in the Arabic literature, during the Nahda. I also began articles about his sister Maryana and his brother Abdallah. Feel free to contribute/use them. --Bryan P. C. C. (talk) 16:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

poets and conflicts

Our article states: "mock battles in poetry or zajal would stand in lieu of real wars."

A useful reference would be to a scholarly article coveing both this and the role of riddles in prestige confronations in the Anglo-Saxon world amd the role of that riddling in the emergence of English poetry.

The use of the expression "the ignorant poetry" is unacceptable: many ready paraphrases offer themselves with little effort. Please attend to this. see: Jahiliyyah

G. Robert Shiplett 15:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Merge

The talk page of Modern Arabic poetry was tagged in January 2011 for a suggested merge with this article. I have moved the merge tags off the talk pages and onto the article. --Wtshymanski (talk) 17:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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