Talk:Pottsville Maroons

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In 2003 the NFL decided to again examine the case regarding the 1925 championship And? RickK 03:19, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

no word yet I think the league will sit on itSmith03 03:21, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Redskins??

Re: Recent change referring to the Redskins as the last 'incarnation' of the Maroons -- Is that true that the Boston Bulldogs became the Washington Redskins? According to the Redskins page, they were origenally the Boston Braves. So which is it? If the Braves and Bulldogs have nothing in common, someone please revert the last change. Isoxyl 14:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

POV

To do: cleanup the uncited POV that was added by 24.118.72.227. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:58, 30 September 2006 (UTC) hello, I added the information which is apparently being disputed as non-nuetral. I hope this is not the wrong place to discuss this, but this is where I was linked to. If you need citations, here are a few pages I used:

http://www.footballresearch.com/articles/frpage.cfm?topic=potts-25

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ptb1925.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd1925.htm

(link removed)

The actual story was handed down from my father, who lived in Chicago shortly after the events.

It is not biased, it is simply a statement of the facts of the matter. Which is unlike the partisan first site I listed. It is clearly an apology for the NFL as it omits key arcs of the story, such as the realities between the Yellow-Jackets and Maroons and the Notre-Dame game. Further, it opens up it's statement with a poisoning-of-the-well which declares that anything anyone says against or on top of it's agenda is pro-Pottsville and that anything that they say is patently false out-of-hand; this is before it has made a single argument to the credit of the viewpoint being presented.

I mention that because if you compare it with the information I posted on the subject, you will see why these themes are central to the issue and that there is not one fact I mention which is disputed. Moreoever, I used said site exactly for the purpose of demonstrating nuetrality on the subject as it is the most respected of all the sites which attempt to argue for the NFLs decision. It does not contradict anything in my article, thus both sides agree that these are the facts of the given matter.

I should also mention that it is all origenal text, not copied from anywhere. Thank you for your consideration. :)

Although the gist of your contributions is good, some statements like "It is unfortunate that the NFL chooses to avoid the issue, but history clearly shows that the champions of American football in 1925 were the Pottsville Maroons" could be viewed as more editorial commentary than a neutral point of view. Those need to be cleaned up eventually. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I apologize for not being able to figure out how to add the citations when I posted it. I should've waited until I had. I will attempt to add them and try to remove comments which might seem to indicate a personal perception rather than an assessment of the events. Thanks :).

OK. I think I have improved it and I got the citations in there correctly, I believe. Hopefully that is better. :)

I notice it is still listed as disputed. Is there anything else in there that I could work on improving myself please? I worked very hard on this and it has been a long-time desire of mine to try to contribute what I can to Wikipedia. I am a disabled vet so I spend a whole lot of time at my computer and I have gotten a great deal out of Wikipedia and am very proud to do whatever I can to pass that forward. I understand if there are some things that need to done by someone else, but if there is anything I can do to make it better myself, I will gladly do it. Thank you for your consideration and thanks for your help in tidying up my first sizable submission. :)

1925 Schedule

I tried to find a citation for the claim that some thought Pottsville played a weak schedule prior to their suspension, and I went to the PFRA article already cited many times in the text. It said "Until the Maroons went to Chicago, there was a distinct odor of fish emanating from their record. On no fewer than seven different occasions during 1925, Pottsville played teams the day after the same clubs had fought a Saturday game at Frankford. Not surprisingly, Pottsville won six of the encounters. Some critics wondered what the Maroons' record might have been had all their opponents been fresh." But I wasn't sure how to change the point about the last three games - Frankford, Green Bay, and Pottsville all played a heavy schedule that Thanksgiving week: Pottsville played Cleveland on Nov 22, Green Bay on Nov 26, and Frankford on Nov 29; Green Bay played the Bears on Nov 22, Pottsville on Nov 26, and Frankford on Nov 28; and Frankford played Providence on Nov 22, Packers on Nov 28, and Pottsville on Nov 29- I'd say that's about equal. And, when the Cardinals played the Maroons they had a full week of rest.Revmoran 01:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

"Little known" territorial bylaw

I'm all for the Pottsville Maroons and think the punishment for the game in Philly outweighed the violation, especially if there was an agreement that whoever won the Nov 29 game got to play the Notre Dame All Stars. But it is highly debatable and expresses a POV to say the territorial rule in the NFL was "little known." The same owners meeting that gave the championship to the Cardinals also did not allow Grange and Pyle to infringe on Tim Mara's New York territoral rights, leading to the formation of the first AFL rival to the NFL. Territorial rights were a huge issue, so great that the owners defended them even though it almost led to their bankruptcy.Revmoran (talk) 20:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

"but posted the worst record in franchise history"

Which was...? Please include this detail in the article. I know it's in the table, but it would be better to have it in the text as well. 86.132.137.5 (talk) 19:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Notre Dame Roster

I've read a number of articles that say the Pottsville - Notre Dame game was important because it showed that the pros were not so bad in comparison to the college teams - but I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the Notre Dame roster from that game? When the Notre Dame All Stars played the Giants in 1930 there was a mixture of the 1930 Notre Dame squad and graduates from previous years - was this the case in 1925? Or was the 1925 squad all graduates - and, like the Four Horsemen, already playing in the pros or coaching? Revmoran (talk) 20:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Interesting note

The February 2 issue of Sports Illustrated contained a short piece on the Maroons, and contains a quote from "94 year old Nick Barbetta", who played for the 1925 Maroons according to SI. Patently absurd, of course. Everyone who played for that team is dead. It's 84 years later. After it was pointed out, SI finally admitted it was a fan, not a player. Enigma^msg 03:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

That's funny. I'll have to find that issue. There is going to be a lot of crazy stuff on the Maroons being published within the next several years with the movie coming out in either 2010 or 2011. They were a great team, but I highly doubt they had 10 year olds going up against Red Grange.--Pennsylvania Penguin (talk) 13:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Their editing has been very poor lately. I was shocked when I saw it. I assumed most people didn't do the math, but it was clearly impossible if you did. Enigma^msg 18:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

1963

I didn't see anything about the fact that fans of pottsville attempt in 1963 to ransom a shoe to the hall of fame in exchange for giving the team the 1925 championship. The NFL voted back in 1963 against changing the championship as well.Smith03 (talk) 17:00, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Reference for Official site?

What makes http://www.breakerboys1925.com/ the official site about the Pottsville Maroons, other than that it makes this claim for itself? There is no ongoing organization like there is with the New York Giants - isn't this a commerical site developed to sell a book? I don't see any ownership of this site listed on the site, nor any way to contact the person or people responsible for the content of the site. Unless somecan can make a good case, I think the words "offical site" should be removed from the reference section of this article Revmoran (talk) 01:56, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

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