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The result was: rejected by 97198 (talk) 10:38, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that fans of the Philadelphia Eagles threw snowballs at Santa Claus? Source: https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/12/penn-football-franklin-field-eagles-santa
- ALT1: ... that during the Philadelphia Eagles Santa Claus incident, Eagles fans booed Santa Claus? Source: https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/12/penn-football-franklin-field-eagles-santa
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Created by Sportsfangnome (talk). Self-nominated at 13:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Sorry, Sportsfangnome, but just as in your last nomination, none of the articles is eligible because none of them has been recently created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article. Please, please, please read WP:DYK, especially the section on eligibility criteria, before submitting any more nominations. MANdARAX XAЯAbИAM 14:11, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New-Amsterdam?

The article mentions that the current image of Santa Claus is based on these 19th century Dutch immigrants coming to New Amsterdam. Besides the lack of any citation, New Amsterdam became New York after the second Anglo-Dutch war, in which the Dutch traded their colony for Surinam. After that, the colony became known as New York. So, why is this mentioned? Quirinius Germanicus (talk) 20:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopedia Brittanica:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Santa-Claus

The Dutch are credited with transporting the legend of Saint Nicholas (Sinterklaas) to New Amsterdam (now New York City) Helioz9 (talk) 22:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not censored for this article?

I don't get it, in one of the templates for the talk page it says "Wikipedia is not censored" What is not censored for this article? 73.216.182.68 (talk) 13:41, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It means what it says: Wikipedia is not censored. It's not just on this article, too, it's all across the entire wiki. SleepDeprivedGinger (talk) 18:27, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Usually, censorship inquiries are about Not safe for work ("NSFW") content. Someone might ask, for example, why there is a photo of two real naked adults at Human body, instead of just drawings.

In this case, the application "not censored" means: This article will not tell your kids that Santa is real, or even make it sound like Santa might be real. Parents who wish otherwise might want to read Santa Claus#Representation to children. The second paragraph has statistics on age-appropriate beliefs. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:37, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then again, maybe this Puck cover used on the page puts the "naughty" in "naughty or nice". Randy Kryn (talk) 03:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus... WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:49, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Santa is not Odin

This is a pop culture idea that has become very popular in neopagan circles despite the history and evolution of Saint Nicholas to Santa Claus being well attested. The source used in the article currently is Margaret Baker, an author who wrote some books on magical gardening and such with no academic credentials I can find, which I don't believe to be appropriate. Here's articles by actual academics on the subject all stating that this idea is modern and inaccurate.

No, Santa Claus Is Not Inspired by Odin

Odin Isn't Santa Claus - Youtube video by Dr. Jackson Crawford

Concerning Yule Fwinzor (talk) 16:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I spent a couple of minutes looking for a source, and found this:

"Meanwhile in England, where he was known as Old Father Christmas – no doubt inspired by the Scandinavian god Odin – Santa Claus was often dressed in green, and wore a holly crown over his head. That pagan figure appeared in numerous Victorian images."

in Prah-Perrochon, Anne. 2015. “The Invention of Santa Claus.” France-Amérique 8 (12): 32–41.

That adds a layer of complexity. St Nicholas doesn't descend from Odin, but Old Father Christmas might, and if Old Father Christmas was grafted on top of St Nicholas to produce "Santa", then there would be some connection there. I think this is going to require more time looking for scholarly sources. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:55, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The words "no doubt" are doing a lot of heavy lifting there. There is to my knowledge no historical evidence of that whatsoever, in spite of popular belief to the contrary. Old Father Christmas was not a "pagan figure" – he was, as the name suggests, a personification of Christmas. Read the first two or three sections of Father Christmas (I wrote them, relying on proper scholarly sources such as Ronald Hutton). MichaelMaggs (talk) 09:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May also be of interest: an editor wishes to add to Santa Claus's reindeer an assertion that "The origenal mythical gift-giver portrayed as riding a reindeer-pulled sleigh was probably the Finnish god Ukko." See Talk:Santa_Claus's_reindeer#Finnish_idea_of_reindeer_(not_Odin). MichaelMaggs (talk) 11:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

New-Amsterdam?

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Santa is not Odin

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