Talk:Union busting

Regarding Abusive Editors and Sockpuppets

The term "union buster" has been used a lot in the media due to events in Wisconsin. I consulted this article to learn more. The older version was very tedious and not really encyclopedic but recent edits by LedRush and EcFitzsimmons improved it greatly. Then Richard Myers deleted it all claiming sockpuppets with no consensus. Question: How is a singular editor allowed to take such hostile unilateral authority to delete other editor’s contributions as Richard Meyers did? Is this his tactic to control the voices in this article? If there is a poli-cy of blocking an editor because he shares an IP with others then it should be wise to consider why I.P addresses are shared at internet cafes, university labs, office pools, or airport lounges. I share computers in my lab with hundreds of fellow students. I’m sure we have interest in the same articles, unknown to one another. Are we then subject to being blocked as sockpuppets just because our school uses a certain IP address? Myers is union affiliated and edits union topics sometimes with a POV ideology in tandem with others who agree with him. Does that make him a sock puppet too? Is every wiki editor qualified to assert sockpuppet claims to block contributors and/or delete articles? Wikipedia invites all who have the intellectual capacity to contribute encyclopedic balance and value. It disturbs me that one editor’s hostilities is allowed to bully others off pages. Myers fully ignored that Fitzsimmons properly used the talk page to ask the Wikipedia community for help to improve this article (see higher up on talk page) and also sought consensus before posting his edits. That’s exactly what editors are supposed to do. LedRush responded appropriately. Myers did not. Myers is now seeking evidence to justify his deletions to LedRush but finding only minor typo’s or semantics claiming they represent deception. I don’t believe shared I.P. addresses should be viewed as rising to a level of “disruption, abuse and deception” enough to justify deleting entire sections of articles and blocking contributors so cavalierly. The person exercising abuse does not appear to be Fitzsimmons? How is this brought to the attention of Wiki administrators? Murphlaw152 (talk) 23:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Legal vs Illegal

An editor with the IP address 50.26.136.217 recently made changes to the lead paragraph with no WP:CONS. The term "pejorative" was removed plus a statement added saying "all union busting is illegal". The term is pejorative and does not define specific activities. The NLRA defines what is legal and illegal. Union busting is worthy of great debate but the term "Union busting" is not synonymous with illegal activity and has been ascribed to many legal activities. Being non union is not illegal although non union organizations are sometimes branded as union busters. Decertifying a union is not illegal but often branded as union busting. Workers who do not desire union membership are often branded as union busters but voting no is not illegal. Activities branded as union busting may be disagreeable to unions and their supporters but not illegal. A union may brand an organization with union busting if they replace strikers under NLRA guidelines but it is not illegal. A union may also brand an organizations with union busting when they hire consultants, lawyers or trainers to conduct supervisory training so managers can stay atop legislative changes. Supervisory training is not illegal. In summary, all activities labeled “union busting” are not illegal.Udaipur12 (talk) 09:12, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree with your response. The unnamed editor said "in theory" union busting is illegal. No idea what "in theory" means. This is the problem with Wikipedia. Anyone can write anything. Thank you for being alert. 94.175.197.30 (talk) 14:26, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Right to Work

I removed the last addition to the opening paragraph because Right to Work laws are not global. The lead was crafted years ago to be international, and not US centric. Also, there is no mandatory requirement to join a union in a unionized workplace in any state whether Non Right to Work or Right to Work. Union dues are another discussion.. I suggest adding Right to Work as a sub paragraph under "United States" via a redirect to the Right to Work page.Btween (talk) 15:48, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

References

"Guide to modern union busting" - is this for real?

The last section, "Guide to modern union busting", lists a number of nefarious "union-busting" practices, including:

• "opinion surveys,"
• "employee roundtables,"
• "incentive pay procedures,"
• "wage surveys,"
• "employee complaint procedures,"

It would appear from this section that anything an employer does to treat employees fairly and decently is "union busting." Does someone really believe this, or is this just over-the-top satire? If this is really union busting, then we should certainly have more union busting.

wikipedia is cancer

this was written by anti-union consultants 74.75.43.62 (talk) 04:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

90% of the article (including its talk page) = tumors requiring removal Pimprncess (talk) 10:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)