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CRFS and POHMELFS

By Jake Edge
February 6, 2008

Performance, or lack thereof, has often been a knock against the venerable Network File System (NFS), but no real competition has emerged. NFS also has some serious flaws for programmers and users, with behavior that is markedly different from that of local filesystems. Both of these problems are spurring the creation of new network filesystems; two of which were announced in the last week.

The Coherent Remote File System (CRFS) was introduced last week at linux.conf.au by Zach Brown of Oracle. It uses BTRFS—pronounced "butter-f-s"—as its storage on the server, rather than layering atop any POSIX filesystem as NFS does. According to Brown, BTRFS has a number of important features that outweigh the inconvenience for users of getting their data into a BTRFS volume. The biggest is the ability to do compound operations (creating or unlinking a file for example) in an atomic and idempotent manner.

CRFS has a userspace daemon (crfsd) that talks to the BTRFS volume as well as multiple clients. The clients use the kernel VFS caching infrastructure extensively, thus are implemented as kernel modules. A user wishing to access the underlying BTRFS volume on the server, must mount it as a CRFS volume; crfsd must have exclusive access to the BTRFS. This is also different from NFS which will cooperate with local mounts of the underlying filesystem.

The basic idea behind CRFS is to have clients cache as much of the filesystem data as they can while using cache coherency protocols to reduce the amount of network traffic that gets generated. Clients keep track of the cache state for each object they have stored, while the server tracks the cache state of all objects that any client has. The messages between server and client consist of cache state transitions and the data being transferred.

Data transfer in both directions is done using CRFS "item ranges". CRFS objects use the BTRFS key scheme to represent objects (file data, directories, directory entries, inodes, etc.) in the filesystem. An item range is a contiguous section of the key space, specified by a minimum and maximum key value as part of the message. When the client is filling its cache, it can request a particular key but also offer to take other surrounding keys as part of the response; if the server sees those keys in the BTRFS leaf node, it can send them along as well.

Something on the order of a 3x speedup over asynchronous NFS mounts is the current performance of CRFS for a simple untar. Comparing to synchronous NFS mounts (where each write has to actually hit the remote disk) is not a sensible comparison; there is a roughly 10x speed difference between the two types of NFS mounts. Brown has been working on CRFS for "about a year" and is planning to release the code eventually. Until that happens, the slides [PDF] and video [Theora] from his talk—as well as a few postings to his weblog—are the only sources of information about CRFS.

Another filesystem, that aims to have a broader reach than CRFS, is the Parallel Optimized Host Message Exchange Layered File System (POHMELFS), announced in linux-kernel posting by Evgeniy Polyakov. POHMELFS is meant to be a building block for a distributed filesystem that would offer a multi-server architecture and allow for disconnected filesystem operations. Polyakov has only been working on it for a month, so it is, at best, the start of a proof of concept.

The POHMELFS vision is in some ways similar to CRFS in that the clients will handle as much as possible locally, with minimal server interaction. Like CRFS, client kernel modules talk to a server userspace daemon, using cache coherency protocols to keep the data and metadata in sync. For CRFS, the coherency is not yet implemented, but is fleshed out to some extent, while POHMELFS has quite a bit of fleshing out to do. Unlike CRFS, POHMELFS supports POSIX filesystems on the server side and the code is available now.

There are some rather large hurdles to overcome in the POHMELFS vision, not least of which is handling file IDs in separate client-side filesystems such that they can be synchronized with the server. The current code implements a write-through cache version that creates objects on the server before they are used in the client side cache. There is also an additional patch that implements a hack to disable the writeback cache and use only the client side caching. The latter is, not surprisingly, very fast, but not terribly usable for multiple mounts of the filesystem. Essentially Polyakov is showing the benefits of client-side caching, but in the context of a broader scheme.

It will be a long time, if ever, that we see some descendant of either of these filesystems in the kernel. There is much work to be done, but they are worth looking at to see where networking and distributed filesystems may be headed. For them to be useful outside of just the Linux world—like the ubiquity of NFS—there would have to be some kind of standardization followed by adoption by the major players. That will take a very long time.


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CRFS and POHMELFS

Posted Feb 7, 2008 4:15 UTC (Thu) by jwb (guest, #15467) [Link] (2 responses)

It's a bit odd to publish performance data for software which has not even reached the level
of half-baked yet, isn't it?  One can easily imagine how trivial implementations are fast.
See /dev/zero.  To benchmark a coherent remote file system when the coherency is purely
theoretical strikes me as premature.  It's the same with any new filesystem when the author
gets on l-k and states that it's ten times faster than ext3, but, by the way, it doesn't
implement rename, remove, or hard links (yet).  Eventually the performance worsens as data
structures and code are added to deliver required features.

If you are actually interested in the performance aspects of coherent network file systems,
there are a number of implementations which have existed for many years.  There is also the
newer, more vaporous pNFS effort.

CRFS and POHMELFS

Posted Feb 7, 2008 11:03 UTC (Thu) by IkeTo (subscriber, #2122) [Link] (1 responses)

> Eventually the performance worsens as data structures and code are added to
> deliver required features.

I see it slightly differently here.  The numbers do not actually show that CRFS rocks.
Instead they show that NFS sucks by not having a cache coherency protocol.  In NFS, the server
does not know that a client have modified some data, and rely on clients to quickly commit
their changes to the server in order for other clients to see the changes.  As a result, all
writes must commit very quickly (usually in a few seconds)--even if no other clients are
accessing the same data, costing big performance.  And as a result, Unix filesystem semantics
cannot be kept: to make the whole "server doesn't know client writes" idea work, NFS needs to
change the filesystem write semantics, at times causing big annoyances to users.

> If you are actually interested in the performance aspects of coherent
> network file systems, there are a number of implementations which have
> existed for many years.

How about showing a couple of them here, especially those which are not just research
prototypes?  (It seems all the first Google links are towards research papers, i.e., those
done by research students who need to get their PhD rather than by people who want to get
something off to market and commit support to the result.)

> There is also the newer, more vaporous pNFS effort.

That doesn't seem to do cache coherency to enable more aggressive local cache in clients, but
instead looks like an effort to allow multiple servers to serve the same piece of data to
increase data throughput.  Am I right?

CRFS and POHMELFS vs pNFS

Posted Feb 9, 2008 22:36 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (guest, #1954) [Link]

There is also the newer, more vaporous pNFS effort.
That doesn't seem to do cache coherency to enable more aggressive local cache in clients, but instead looks like an effort to allow multiple servers to serve the same piece of data to increase data throughput. Am I right?

pNFS is neither of those. It is about distributing the filesystem over multiple servers to increase throughput. A particular piece of data comes from one server, but 3 pieces of data might come from 3 different servers, so you can access all 3 at the same time.

And it achieves that by separating serving of raw file data from the more complex filesystem operations -- they're done by separate servers. That presents unique cache coherency problems, so might make it look like pNFS is about cache coherency.

CRFS and POHMELFS

Posted Feb 7, 2008 6:55 UTC (Thu) by tyhik (guest, #14747) [Link] (1 responses)

POHMEL afaik means hangover in russian. pohmelfs was announced at the end of January, about
one month old, umm.

CRFS and POHMELFS

Posted Feb 7, 2008 23:58 UTC (Thu) by malefic (subscriber, #37306) [Link]

> POHMEL afaik means hangover in russian
Yeah, it's "pohmel'ye" to be exact. I guess, Evgeniy made this up after the long New Year's
holidays :-)

CRFS and POHMELFS

Posted Feb 7, 2008 7:20 UTC (Thu) by heini (guest, #33614) [Link] (5 responses)

Looks like both projects try to reinvent AFS.

CRFS and POHMELFS

Posted Feb 7, 2008 9:41 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (3 responses)

AFS, with a much more efficient protocol, not a horror to administer, and 
actually making an effort to be a POSIX filesystem rather than 
gratuitously reinventing things like, oh, permissions?

Seems like a good thing to me, although you could replace `AFS' with 'a 
distributed filesystem' and get the same answer :)

CRFS and POHMELFS/AFS

Posted Feb 8, 2008 3:17 UTC (Fri) by linuxbox (guest, #6928) [Link] (2 responses)

A more interesting comparison for me would be CRFS vs. GFS or OCFS--which, I rather suspect,
is more what the btrfs authors are aiming at.

CRFS and POHMELFS/AFS (what about HAMMER?)

Posted Feb 8, 2008 13:03 UTC (Fri) by Velmont (guest, #46433) [Link]

How does HAMMER fit into all of this? Yes, it is being developed for DragonflyBSD, but it
could maybe come into Linux. Does anyone know? :-)

CRFS and POHMELFS/AFS

Posted Feb 9, 2008 22:42 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (guest, #1954) [Link]

I'd like to know how it's better than NFSv4. The only reason NFSv4 exists is to solve those classic NFS problems. It definitely has client-side caching and POSIX inter-user synchronization of file access.

CRFS and POHMELFS

Posted Feb 7, 2008 10:41 UTC (Thu) by IkeTo (subscriber, #2122) [Link]

From AFS FAQ:

> Subject: 2.01  What are the differences between AFS and a unix filesystem?
> ...
>    Authentication:                                         [ User ]
> ...
>    File permissions:                                       [ User ]
> ...
>   Data protection with AFS ACLs:                          [ User ]
> ...
>   Protection groups:                                      [ User ]
> ...
>   Hard links:                                             [ User ]
> ...
>   Changing file protection by moving a file:              [ User ]
> ...
>   chown and chgrp:                                        [ User ]
> ... 
>   Save on close:                                          [ Programmer ]
> ...
>   byte-range file locking:                                [ Programmer ]
> ...
>   whole file locking:                                     [ Programmer ]
> ...
>   character and block special files:                      [ SysAdmin ]
> ...
>   AFS version of fsck:                                    [ SysAdmin ]
> ...

Is this the type of things that CRFS explicitly says they want to avoid?


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