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Relocating for storm chasing

James's last post reminded me of a marginally useful tidbit I can share. I finally started a spreadsheet recently to track every tornado I've photographed, including location, time, etc. Here are the lat-lon stats for my 122 photographed tornadoes over a period of 19 years, chasing based out of the OKC area over that whole period:

LatitudeLongitude
Median36.41-99.36
Average36.91-99.07
Minimum30.46-105.07
Maximum45.45-89.94

The median lat-lon coordinate is inside Woodward city limits, while the average coordinate is near the OK/KS state line between Freedom and Medicine Lodge.

Basically, the unsurprising takeaway is that living on the sparsely populated southern High Plains in the general vicinity of Woodward/Dodge City would probably maximize chase opportunities within an X-hour drive. My home location is obviously a significant source of bias, likely dragging my selection of chase setups farther south (and possibly slightly east?) than they'd be if I were nomadic. So I might hedge a few counties N and assume somewhere like Garden City to Hays is the true epicenter of chase opportunities -- at least for my chasing style.
 
I always thought Amarillo would be a good place in the spring, especially for the west-of-35 activity in much of TX and OK.
And if a person wanted to avoid the shallow, cold Arctic air during the winter, they could head further west into NM and AZ.
 
My arc as a weather geek makes me think there's a fundamental distinction between two types of weather enthusiasm: one involves a kind of voyeuristic excitement over the hype, adrenaline, human impacts, and sheer public attention something like an I-95 nor'easter (or even a landfalling hurricane, if I'm allowed to go there) gets; but a totally different breed is what we indulge in standing in front of a sculpted supercell 50 miles NW of Garden City that no one else in the world cares about.

Interesting insight, particularly the distinction that “no one else in the world cares about” the isolated supercell (or most of the time even the tornado) that we pursue. But there are definitely overlaps between the “two types of weather enthusiasm” you defined (for example, there is an adrenaline aspect to chasing too; many of us are also interested in the human impacts when they occur, which is fortunately relatively rare, but which I consider to also include things like the social science of how the public responds to forecasts, watches and warnings). Not that you suggested otherwise, but I don’t think the “two types of weather enthusiasm” are mutually exclusive; I’m sure many of us fall into both camps.


I think I'd hilariously do the exact opposite of the thread title if I hit the jackpot. I'd love to be somewhere warm/mild and sunny in CA or AZ for most of the year, but spend April-June out here during active periods. If it was a huge jackpot maybe I'd spend summer someplace like CO, MT, or WA, but that would really be gravy.

Glad to see someone else besides me admit that, despite their love of chasing, they wouldn’t choose their full time residence based on it. My goal is similar - to spend more of April-June on the Plains when warranted, but to factor chasing in not at all when it comes to deciding where my primary residence is.
 
TBH the "Never Stop Chasing" crowd is redefining what it means to chase by adopting a quasi-transient lifestyle and it really doesn't matter where you live, you get out and chase everything, everywhere. Home is merely where you rest your head on the off days in our current times.
 
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...someone else besides me admit that, despite their love of chasing, they wouldn’t choose their full time residence based on it...
I agree w/ you... that there needs to be more to do where you live during the year than just chase during several limited months.
If I remember one of your posts correctly about the unusual nature of chase philosophy, the big question for me remains how do you get something that other people don't, something fresh, new, exciting with your video, picture, or even experiences.
I think drones provide one such avenue regardless of city and state. A drone would be great in any new location after moving!
 
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I had been thinking about relocating since I am in Kansas City and I almost always head west to chase.

I think that is usually advantageous. You are less likely to miss something this way as you'd be 'chasing towards home' during most storms. I imagine there is always a decision to be made by those folks that live in Denver... "I can stick with this garbage for another hour or i can get home 2 hours earlier". Don't under estimate the strategy of living east of main chase territory.

If money were no object, I would absolutely have 2-3 residences. I surely wouldn't live in Oklahoma for July/August and would live some place cooler, probably with mountains. We can all wish.
 
I think that is usually advantageous. You are less likely to miss something this way as you'd be 'chasing towards home' during most storms. I imagine there is always a decision to be made by those folks that live in Denver... "I can stick with this garbage for another hour or i can get home 2 hours earlier". Don't under estimate the strategy of living east of main chase territory.

If money were no object, I would absolutely have 2-3 residences. I surely wouldn't live in Oklahoma for July/August and would live some place cooler, probably with mountains. We can all wish.
Good point of the chase back though it has not happened this year as much as I would like. I have a second place in NM but it is in the mountains near Ruidoso so not that far from eastern NM or western TX days but I am hardly ever there. I would like a place in Northern NE or southern SD for fall chases too before it gets too cold.
 
I remember when I took a job at a Wichita TV station back in 2018... Being centered in Tornado Alley was certainly a large part of why I took the job. I thought I was going to be sitting in tall cotton... then came two of the slowest seasons on record (including one that went the ENTIRE year with no tornado watches in the NWS Wichita area. So yeah, that was awesome haha Just my luck, huh...
 
@James Wilson and @Ben Holcomb make a great point. It is better to error with a home base east of the typical target area not only because you chase the storm going east toward home instead of getting futher away from home, but you also have the advantage of if you are late leaving the storm is moving east toward you as you move west toward it. If your base is west of the typical init location and you are late leaving good luck ever catching it.
 
To add something more substantial to the thread regarding places I've lived... most of my adult life (and most of my career) was spent here in Colorado, where the second you left the house, you were chasing away. Over a gap of about 8 years, I lived in Illinois and Kansas...

COLORADO: One thing that's hard to argue with is the awesomeness that is chasing Colorado. So many days show up the morning of and you can easily get out east to play them. Some of my best chases have been here (Akron '23 comes to mind). If you have a love of storms in general (including structure, hail, etc), then you'll be hard-pressed to find a better place to base from. It also has the perk of peaking later in the season when things wind down a bit, and it's "out of the way" for a lot of the central plains folks, and that morning-of often means smaller crowds. Yes, you are always chasing away from home, so that does sometime leash you a little, particularly if you can't afford an overnight stay. Every hour east you chase is an hour west you have to drive. That is the biggest negative in my opinion, followed secondly by being far from the Midwest targets, which again, means you're constantly chasing away from home. But, in terms of living in an area where you can get good bang for the buck, it's been my favorite of all the places I've lived for chasing, and you get a lot close enough to home in most years to satisfy most chasers.

ILLINOIS: I lived in southern Illinois for about five years, and there were a lot of perks to living here. Unfortunately the High Plains were a HUGE haul, but a lot of times, if I planned a trip well, this meant multiple days chasing back toward home. I had a couple trips where I could get three to four chase days on a single trip following a system from the high plains to the east. Rarely did I chase east of I-57, but when I did, it was a great excuse to visit Ohio friends upon the conclusion of the chase (a personal perk obviously). Still, the haul across Missouri kinda sucked, and western plains (my favorite area to chase) was often a day drive all on its own. Illinois was probably TOO far east for my liking, and had I had the luck in Iowa that I have had since returning to Colorado, I may gravitate more to speaking highly of this, but the hands I was dealt while living there had very few nearby setups, although the ones I did get were pretty big. But for those multi-day trips, it was nice to end them at home.

KANSAS: I got screwed in my three years there as I eluded to above. Not only because they were a couple of the quietest seasons on record, but I was somewhat handcuffed by the job and that often prevented me from venturing too far or too often from my DMA. When I took the job, I was wide-eyed and excited as hell. Centrally located in Wichita was a chaser's dream. I could theoretically chase just about every part of the plains leaving the morning of and the western plains always meant I'd be sleeping in my own bed after the chase. Unfortunately Kansas itself proved to be as dead as could be during my stint, while on the fortunate side of things was that so was the rest of the Alley. But you'd be hard-pressed to locate any better. Cost of living was good, Wichita was an awesome city, and again, six hours one way pretty much set you up anywhere you could want to target.

If money were no object, but I could only have ONE place, I would lean toward to being in the area I enjoy chasing the most. I'm blessed to say I'm back in that area. I think different regions offer different types of chasing, and certainly offer differing experiences. With some work, you could live just about anywhere you wanted and find both pros and cons. For me, I think waking up in an area you can leave in the morning and be home that night and get the most out of it is where you'd want to be. Is it the high plains, the central plains, the Midwest? I guess it's what you get out of it. The other thing to keep in mind is how things differ from year-to-year. Hell, just in the last two seeing the change from 2023's high plains insanity to 2024 splitting time between eastern Nebraska and Iowa. If you lived in Colorado in 2023, you probably had one of the better seasons of your career. But this year, it was a lot of hauling back and forth for me, and it became a grind much earlier in the season, then when June rolled around, it was crickets in Colorado.

I guess my point... don't get too tied up in trying to find the perfect place. There is so much variance year-to-year, hell, even month-to-month. I think without a doubt, being centrally located somewhere along the I-35 corridor from OKC to Omaha would offer the best, most advantageous basing as it does put you in the center of a lot of good places. I personally like Colorado and the variety it offers, and when she's on, boy is she on and it's nice to be here and so close to setups that don't always show themselves til the day of. But there's a lot to be said against it given you're literally on the very western fringes of the best chasing areas, meaning you're ALWAYS chasing away from home.
 
I agree w/ you... that there needs to be more to do where you live during the year than just chase during several limited months.
That is some of the issue I think. "Limited months" is not a thing if you chase a lot. For example I saw tornadoes every month (except September) from March to November this year. I chased Feb but had no tornadoes so really only a month or two of no chasing.
 
What Tony said about Colorado is true if you live in a place like Denver or Colorado Springs, but Colorado is a very large state. From the Western Slope where I live (Pagosa Springs), it is a haul to the Plains and the "living west of the storms" effects discussed in several posts above are exaggerated. But I chose a place to retire based more on skiing than chasing, and I hate crowds and traffic jams, which eliminates Denver and Colorado Springs. But fortunately, Pagosa is still in reach for multiple-day chase setups on the high plains, though not so much for those northeast Colorado setups that only become evident the morning of. And for the southern high plains, it helps that we have a second home in Santa Fe, where I will usually go to preposition if planning to chase the Panhandles or the eastern plains of NM. So I live where I have great skiing (and less crowded than farther north and east), but still reasonable access for a few multi-day outings during the chase season. And a nice bonus: a LOT of thundersnow, which I also enjoy chasing.
 
Despite my feeling that it’s not worth choosing a place to live just for chasing, because chasing is only at most 10%-15% of the days in a year, I think Wichita is the best place to base from. To Tony’s point, you’re within 6 hours of most targets. But I also think it has the advantage of chasing back east toward home. I typically like to stay west of I-35 due to terrain. I go east of that longitude only in Nebraska and north, and rarely into Iowa (I haven’t been lucky enough to be on my chase vacation for most of the big Iowa days in recent years). So most positioning drives would be west from Wichita, and chasing east back toward home.
 
In June of 2016, I moved from Wisconsin to Oklahoma by myself at 19 to "pursue an education", but the reality was that I wanted to live in Tornado Alley and chase storms. I lived in Norman for five years while studying Emergency Management and Meteorology and I found that the OKC Metro was a really good base for storm chasing. I was 4 to 5 hours from Kansas/Texas in any direction and about 1 to 3 hours from Western Oklahoma where I loved chasing the most. That said, most day's I'd get on the road around 10 AM and then be home by 2 AM. Not good for those who are older and or get tired more easily! I primarily did that though because I was a college student and didn't have a lot of money! Lol. In 2021, I moved to Tillman County, Oklahoma, where I currently reside as the Emergency Management Director. I found that living in far Southwestern Oklahoma was a great thing for chasing because specifically for me, I love chasing in the Texas Panhandle/Western Oklahoma/NW Texas, so now my drive went from 4 to 5 hours down to 30 minutes to 2 hours of drive time, which meant I could leave later for a setup and return home more soon. Heck, one day I drove 40 minutes to Vernon and chased 4 tornadoes in 30 minutes and was back home by 7 PM chasing a tornado-warned storm in my county. Lol.

I guess it depends on where you'd like to live and what you want to chase. Don't just move to a state to chase severe weather, really get a good feel for how the economy is and the potential for growth in whatever you pursue, because life is so much more than just storms! Oklahoma is known to have a considerably low standard of living, but there's a reason for that... The state is much poorer than others. That said, this is a good state to live in, especially if you like the weather.
 
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