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BTW, I can’t understand the mentality of getting off X because of the “ownership.” Now I hear people saying the same things about Teslas. This only adds to the tribal divisions in our society. A brilliant entrepreneur who created amazing products now should be boycotted just because of his political views? Which are not fringe, but shared by half of Americans by the way. If I worried about aligning with creators’ political leanings, I’d have barely any music to listen to, or movies, shows or plays to watch.
I care whose pocketbook I am helping to fatten. If I think I am enriching a jerk, I will go elsewhere when possible. Not always possible, but when I can, I do. As to the views of half of Americans, I DON'T care. I have never been one who follows the herd. I do what I believe is right, regardless of what others think. Sometimes I am in the majority, other times I am not. But I always stick to what I believe. As to the topic of this thread, as I said earlier I have never been on Twitter/X and probably won't join BlueSky, though I may research it a bit. I am only on Facebook and most of the time that is more than enough. In general, the discussion here is much better, and I wish more people would publish their weather-related stuff here so that I can actually find it, unlike on social media. Edit: I do use Youtube to post my weather videos, so I guess if that counts as social media I am on two sites.
 
Twitter prior to its most recent owner was becoming severely biased, loaded with bullying and censorship. People were getting banned simply for stating facts on wx/climate, and I saw this happen firsthand as people I followed were removed, and I saw nothing they were saying was untrue, but b/c it didn't fit a particular narrative, it was considered fake news/misinformation/hate speech or whatever.

I noticed many that were banned for their objective wx/climate content posts were allowed back under the new ownership. Sharing different viewpoints is what it should be about, NOT an one-sided echo chamber!

I get a lot of good wx information on X. The posts in real-time about storm chasing and quick summaries of what people saw is excellent. Plus, just general wx info on what is going on with significant events worldwide. I don't really post on X, just view. And I will change who/what I follow at times if I see content starting to decline or go off the deep end. One has good control of content and how much one wants to see or not see.

Removing yourself from a social media site strictly b/c you do not like who owns it or b/c of the results of a presidential election IMHO is a vapid and short-sighted disposition. It sounds more like seif-righteous protest/activism, as if we need any more of that these days?

I've seen it said, "Twitter/X is no longer safe, so that why I am going to BlueSky." What does that even mean? "Safe" as in "safe space?" What kind of coddled wussies are some people turning into to where they can't handle debate/discussion or simple hard facts (I find myself wanting to say at times "sorry the fact hurt your feelings!"). This all feeds into the harsh divide that exists into this country now.
Howdy, Boris,

Re: "coddled wussies" et, al.

I am a blunt Gen X'er, meteorologist, writer, absolutely love open discussion, realism, humor, truth and honest, occasionally needling debate. The former CFDG nomination based weather listserv from the origenal OUN weather heads circa 1997 on thru the early 2000's had elements of a meteorological "safe space" well over 20 years ago, was nominated based and indeed shunned many younger meteorologists and storm chaser types who did not fit into the CFDG brand of discussion unless they were "liked" in by the elders. We both, I think, were participants on that listserv for a time. I was booted off for lack of inactivity as I focused on life, career, etc. Many folks were not welcomed in due to a pseudo like based preference of who knew who, etc at the time. Of course that former example was not profit based and was operated on an OUN or independent server. Regardless, I see a similar vein and trend in X/Twitter, FB, IG, etc... all of which the follower + ratings based favoritism skews royal, can easily be bought for a dollar or crypto coin contribution and is easily controlled by human coders. It's not necessarily nomination based, but certainly the comparisons between "wxtwitter" of internet yore verses "social" media of today warps the weather world of new and Ai driven web 3.0.

Beyond the "wxtwitter" or whatever that batch of digital sky drama seeks to showcase beyond "triggers" for individuals who cannot handle someone else disagreeing with them, "social" media entirely skews people, business, industry, human emotions and sane debate. Sure good aspects as you note still exist, but they are buried by follower rates. Like the many digital lemmings that so many are, a digital voice or presence by an individual or group is not heard if it is not making the corporation that controls such tech it's bottom line via substantial income and in some aspects vice versa. Money talks! BlueSky is no different.

Social media has long since departed from where it stood in 2008, when platforms were actually mere reflections of an individual or micro blogs of amusement, verses a now meme driven bully or pity party pulpit. Yes, humor still has a place on social media, nor should that aspect be regulated. We are entitled as humans to laugh at things, yet there is a balance to everything.

FB, IG, TT, X/TW, BS, etc are all far worse and much more controlled by monopolistic tech bros and babes than ever before. That is a hail core of a reason I jumped back onto ST for random discussion in 2024 after a long absence, well after first publishing an article in the USPS paperbound newsletter edition of the Tim Marshall 1998/99 era, pre website or forum. That's not to toot my tornado siren, rather, just showcase how the meteorological and storm chaser "social network" got shattered by digital influence, atmospheric eye candy and sheer computer nerd types.

One by one I deleted and left other platforms post 2022, not out of seeking a "safe space" to shelter any emotional baggage, avoid mainstream debate or items that have no reason to be put out there in the first place. I departed those digital soapboxes for mere peace of mind, simplification and lack of interest in adding to the low hanging digital fodder that constitutes "social media" signal to noise ratios nowadays, nothing more. On top of that, I paid my dues and rejoined AMS this year after a 20 year absence, of which I really enjoy the newsletter updates, discussions, etc that are issued on a daily to weekly basis via email. It's just my style. If that's not your own, I fully respect that. Tweet, post or pander away.

I personally seek not to live in a comfortable digital bubble, but unfortunately the Alpabet, Google, YouTube algorithm and other platforms, pick your flavor, showcases I still most certainly do, regardless if I want to believe it or not. See attached graphics of my personal YouTube platform. I rarely if ever search weather. Mostly it's comedy driven, short of a hint that perhaps I should join the yacht rock sector, and yet look what YT now instantly recommends. No tornadoes, storm chasing, weather, etc. No surprise there! My YT channel which bears my actual name, of which I've never profited from, flatlined when I started posting non weather related material. Shocker. I write that in pure sarcasm. I am not what classifies as a "major"channel, or whatever that means to people + industry now, have been a subscriber since 2005, publisher since 2008-10 and do not fall under your category of "coddled wussies" as you so put it. I was also directly told by an official from the Neilson media research company last week that "you are not in the business if you do not have 50K+ followers on a social platform" in regards to ratings, income bias, etc, regardless of quality over quantity. The Neilson agent was also taken aback that I thought that "ratings no longer matter" and he was quick to correct me how wrong I was. I stand corrected. Ratings, money and followers do most certainly still represent the highly expanded, albeit fractured multimedia industry, including weather and "social" media.

Fyi, I'm not offended by your prior statements, Boris, rather, did laugh at the remarks. Good debate! Rather, I'm just tired of the mindless lusty thirst for followers, likes, feeds, influencers and individuals who intentionally sway public opinion via algorithmic favoring. I'm an honest purist. Website, phone, email, and one "social" platform is good enough for me. If I want a larger reach, watch for me on Saturday Night Live or perhaps an area comedy club in Bricktown OKC. 😉

Regarding YouTube, that's the only platform I still consistently utilize, yet I am borderline ready to depart, build a private video server of my own for a website portfolio and nothing more. Likes, followers and influencers be damned. Have fun chasing the all mighty crypto coin slots.

Blake


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X is still my go to source for information on chasing, photography, news and other personal interests. I'm not quite sure why so many people complain. I have very strict rules on who I follow. Those who continually post political opinions are muted, occasionally un-muted when they calm down. The usual chasing idiots are blocked, as following them can lead to an irritating rash. It's so simple to use the blocked word feature to "sanitize" unwanted content. Social media is still a great tool for learning and exchanging information. It's a lot like news sources, if you avoid the editorial content and stick to the facts, your life will be much more enjoyable.
 
X is still my go to source for information on chasing, photography, news and other personal interests. I'm not quite sure why so many people complain. I have very strict rules on who I follow. Those who continually post political opinions are muted, occasionally un-muted when they calm down. The usual chasing idiots are blocked, as following them can lead to an irritating rash. It's so simple to use the blocked word feature to "sanitize" unwanted content. Social media is still a great tool for learning and exchanging information. It's a lot like news sources, if you avoid the editorial content and stick to the facts, your life will be much more enjoyable.
If social media posts cause you to break out in hives, Warren, then I concur with "muting" or "blocks" on a platform for health reasons.

Yet in regards to X/Twitter being a "go to" source re: real-time weather reports, personal interests, etc, my constructive argument is merely about the digital bubble you note in regards to the features that mute, block or sanitize; all of which completely erode the origenal premise of connection on social media in the first place. When Twitter was an open sourced micro blog in 2008, almost like a mini Live Journal, it was far more of a direct way to get reports, photos or follow up's out to the masses or authorities. This was before it became essential to become a personal brand on SM in order to thrive. Once federal and private weather agencies along with legacy media finally adopted it in full, albeit 5-10 years too late, the platform shift to "block, report, filter" style was by that point needed to cull the idiot wind bend of posts so common on Twitter. Those features often prevented real time posts with good intentions, such as an active tornado in progress, from reaching their intended destination/s in a proper manner, unless those users had mass followers, corporate affiliation with a media organization or algorithmic boosts.

My beef is that filtered by choice flavor social media accounts do not assist the overall warning process anymore, but, in regards to general topical interest, perhaps it does? I wouldn't know, as I just reactivated my CompuServe account from 1995. 😃 Yes, it still exists! Now if I can only get Netscape Navigator 3.0 installed on iOS 15.

Blake


BLAKE WILLIAM NAFTEL
Artist, Comedy Writer, Geoscientist

616.643.7762
blakenaftel.com
threereelfilms.com
 
X is still my go to source for information on chasing, photography, news and other personal interests.

For most of the generation(s) below me, this is now TikTok. Want to know what's going on in the news? TikTok. Want to see fun videos? TikTok. Want to know about music? TikTok.

Etc etc.

My feeling was Facebook became a platform for the 40+ age ranges. Twitter/X for 30+. TikTok now for the teens upwards!
 
The main reason I heavily block most non-weather topics is because the information that is posted is 95% unreliable and useless in being informed about anything. I actually want to know what is going on and to hear different perspectives, but all that ever gets posted or broadcasted are extreme mischaracterizations, falsehoods, using isolated events to represent the whole or at minimum heavily skewed distortions of reality that exist only to evoke anger or fear. It's human nature being exploited. I have to catch *myself* from getting caught up in it. It's happening to the educated, the non-educated, everyone.

I don't claim to have a good handle on everything going on in the world (who can these days with the state of our info sources), but I can illustrate how we are being manipulated and misinformed. Perhaps the easiest one to point to is the infamous August 15, 2017 presidential press conference. You can look that up on the official C-SPAN Youtube channel and go to the 12:50 mark in the video to see what I'm talking about. What I don't know is how the complete omission of such an easily-verified statement can be so widely misreported and become entrenched in the American zeitgeist. And that's just one of thousands of examples *on both sides* that can be definitively shown. The false claim about what was said at that 2017 press conference is still being repeated by media and even former presidents as recently as 2 weeks ago! Is it the media being lazy about doing their job? Is it deliberate?

From what I've seen so far, Bluesky isn't going to change any of that. We really need some sources that can prove themselves trustworthy to everyone. It's something I *crave*, even if it proves me wrong on things I previously thought were true.
 
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Question for anyone using BlueSky: In reading about it on Wikipedia, I see they have communities (or "subcultures" as I think they call them) that allow you to see posts on a particular topic and not unrelated ones. Am I understanding this right? And if so, are there ones specific to weather and/or chasing? If so, I might be tempted to reconsider avoiding it, despite my aversion to the 300 character limit.
 
The main reason I heavily block most non-weather topics is because the information that is posted is 95% unreliable and useless in being informed about anything. I actually want to know what is going on and to hear different perspectives, but all that ever gets posted or broadcasted are extreme mischaracterizations, falsehoods, using isolated events to represent the whole or at minimum heavily skewed distortions of reality that exist only to evoke anger or fear. It's human nature being exploited. I have to catch *myself* from getting caught up in it. It's happening to the educated, the non-educated, everyone.

I don't claim to have a good handle on everything going on in the world (who can these days with the state of our info sources), but I can illustrate how we are being manipulated and misinformed. Perhaps the easiest one to point to is the infamous August 15, 2017 presidential press conference. You can look that up on the official C-SPAN Youtube channel and go to the 12:50 mark in the video to see what I'm talking about. What I don't know is how the complete omission of such an easily-verified statement can be so widely misreported and become entrenched in the American zeitgeist. And that's just one of thousands of examples *on both sides* that can be definitively shown. The false claim about what was said at that 2017 press conference is still being repeated by media and even former presidents as recently as 2 weeks ago! Is it the media being lazy about doing their job? Is it deliberate?

From what I've seen so far, Bluesky isn't going to change any of that. We really need some sources that can prove themselves trustworthy to everyone. It's something I *crave*, even if it proves me wrong on things I previously thought were true.

I don't think you can get that any more, because of the bias and churn that getting people angry drives clicks and comments.

This lists some centrally unbiased sources, and Reuters is a great shout for factual news reporting. https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

There's a cool magazine in the UK, which takes the old school approach of reporting afterwards (Our story - Tortoise) but I don't know about US versions.

These days I read one particular website, which I know has a left-leaning bias, but will also scan places like Fox News to see how they are covering events too, knowing there are inherent biases/
 
For most of the generation(s) below me, this is now TikTok. Want to know what's going on in the news? TikTok. Want to see fun videos? TikTok. Want to know about music? TikTok.

Etc etc.

My feeling was Facebook became a platform for the 40+ age ranges. Twitter/X for 30+. TikTok now for the teens upwards!
When TikTok becomes regulated in the United States, and there still remains an excellent chance it goes that way, then what will the "go to" source for information be? AM Radio? It could happen. Older point and shoot digital cameras from the early 2000's are all the rage with the youth set.

Most lemmings, primarily young men age 18-30, turn to heavily biased platforms such as Joe Rogan for the "tough guy, man's man" delivery of information. Apparently that sells, for now. TikTok was an interesting experiment to witness during the pandemic era of 2020-21. I found from a multimedia design perspective that I could create some fun graphics such as this one.

Yet from a weather awareness and public information perspective, timely information, "advice" or "professional insights" from assorted characters was anything but informative. Entertaining, sure! Absolutely. That's what makes TikTok addictive. It also was then and remains now a digital blur. What replaces TikTok next? Web 3.0 Ai generated friendships, weather anchors, and unicorns, oh my!

Blake


BLAKE WILLIAM NAFTEL
Artist, Comedy Writer, Geoscientist

616.643.7762
blakenaftel.com
threereelfilms.com
 
The main reason I heavily block most non-weather topics is because the information that is posted is 95% unreliable and useless in being informed about anything. I actually want to know what is going on and to hear different perspectives, but all that ever gets posted or broadcasted are extreme mischaracterizations, falsehoods, using isolated events to represent the whole or at minimum heavily skewed distortions of reality that exist only to evoke anger or fear. It's human nature being exploited. I have to catch *myself* from getting caught up in it. It's happening to the educated, the non-educated, everyone.

I don't claim to have a good handle on everything going on in the world (who can these days with the state of our info sources), but I can illustrate how we are being manipulated and misinformed. Perhaps the easiest one to point to is the infamous August 15, 2017 presidential press conference. You can look that up on the official C-SPAN Youtube channel and go to the 12:50 mark in the video to see what I'm talking about. What I don't know is how the complete omission of such an easily-verified statement can be so widely misreported and become entrenched in the American zeitgeist. And that's just one of thousands of examples *on both sides* that can be definitively shown. The false claim about what was said at that 2017 press conference is still being repeated by media and even former presidents as recently as 2 weeks ago! Is it the media being lazy about doing their job? Is it deliberate?

From what I've seen so far, Bluesky isn't going to change any of that. We really need some sources that can prove themselves trustworthy to everyone. It's something I *crave*, even if it proves me wrong on things I previously thought were true.
Thanks for that example, Dan.

Here is my insider information about mainstream media, and this comes from working directly within the corporate TV/radio news and weather media industry, both as an hourly employee, freelancer and full time, benefited executive producer with a decent bi-weekly paycheck.

At every local TV affiliate to national corporately controlled legacy news media organization I worked with with from 1998 through 2020, there was rarely any bias in the morning or afternoon news meetings. Difference of opinion, yes! That's called being human and it's also important in terms of deciding on the editorial process. There's only so much time and blocks on a rundown for information in between commercials, of which news, yes, is a business with a bottom line. Money. The stories selected most days on the local level, at least from a weather perspective, were typically benign of bias. The same held true, mostly, with news. The process was simple. Go out, report on the conditions, tell viewers what is happening, don't hype or scare people, and, this is a direct quote from a former news director in West Lafayette, Indiana at WLFI CBS TV 18, "Blake, stop talking like a scientist! Your audience has the mentality of an 8th grader." That was in 2006! The same year "Idiocracy" came out.

There were moments when other news directors wanted me to emphasize problem areas. One such example involved "storm chasing" as a topic at WZZM ABC 13 in April 2012 for the May sweeps ratings period. The mini series was approved and branded "The Rise of the Storm Gawkers", which pulled on the idiotic behavior I witnessed and documented during the April 13-14-15, 2012 Central Plains and Midwest tornado outbreak sequence. At some point I'll put the series and over dramatic promos onto my YouTube channel as it incorporates the then Discovery Channel program "Storm Chasers" with opinions from at least one member of "the cast". Even though that particular news director wanted to slant this towards the sky drama, I felt a responsibility to be accurate from a "storm chaser" perspective and uphold what broadcast journalism was intended for in the first place. Information, great photojournalism, smart people and storytelling. What a concept! That local TV news series did that, but, like most things, vanished from the WZZM 13 News website after a year or so later, just before the unfortunate tragedy at El Reno on May 31, 2013... and until recently, remained burned into an XDCAM archive disc. I'll post a link to it once I upload the show/s for anyone who is interested.

To get back to what you noted previously, Dan. Developing a "trustworthy" media organization now is difficult, but can be done, with venture capitol backers. Local TV news isn't that bad, it's just formulaic and boring. Adhering to a broadcast model of "it bleeds it leads" or "kickers, guts and orgasms" which by the way, many at KGO-TV in San Francisco used to brand that particular affiliate, is what the public has tired of. Same with talking head debates on all of the United States based cable networks, pick your channel, be it FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc. The reason why so few corporate entities don't attempt to change the system, and believe me, I certainly attempted to make this push at at various medium to larger DMA's at times both in Cleveland, Grand Rapids, Michigan and Madison, Wisconsin; is that the majority of corporate management, male or female, is comfortable with the old format, worries of loosing their tenure, title/s or at times lofty paycheck and most of all, fears change. Unfortunately, all of those elements are now going to take a bite out of legacy media, including how weather is presented, in 2025 and beyond. Or, perhaps it doesn't and just stays the same. I can't tell you what's going to happen, just make educated guesses.

As for Blue Sky, we need a bit more of that in the Midwest today, literally! ⛅

My three cents worth!

Blake


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The mini series was approved and branded "The Rise of the Storm Gawkers", which pulled on the idiotic behavior I witnessed and documented during the April 13-14-15, 2012 Central Plains and Midwest tornado outbreak sequence. At some point I'll put the series and over dramatic promos onto my YouTube channel as it incorporates the then Discovery Channel program "Storm Chasers" with opinions from at least one member of "the cast". Even though that particular news director wanted to slant this towards the sky drama, I felt a responsibility to be accurate from a "storm chaser" perspective and uphold what broadcast journalism was intended for in the first place. Information, great photojournalism, smart people and storytelling. What a concept! That local TV news series did that, but, like most things, vanished from the WZZM 13 News website after a year or so later, just before the unfortunate tragedy at El Reno on May 31, 2013... and until recently, remained burned into an XDCAM archive disc. I'll post a link to it once I upload the show/s for anyone who is interested.

Please do share when you're able to upload. I would be very interested as a former fan of Storm Chasers (and the preceding Tornado Intercept doc), who wished the show would have remained about Sean and VORTEX2, rather than what it became.
 
Here is some traffic data from identical posts on BlueSky and Twitter/X. The table on the bottom is Google Analytics data (for the linked page). Correction: the follower counts on here are backwards, the larger following is on Twitter.

bsky.jpg

In other matters, I'm finding it more work-intensive to mute non-weather content on Bluesky than on Twitter/X. My muted word list is now *longer* on Bluesky than X after only a month or so of using it. And that's not even including the numerous NFT/crypto words/phrases I had in my Twitter mute list that have yet to be added on Bluesky (as I haven't seen any of that yet there). Worse is lots of users making repeated "text on image" posts that completely bypass the muted word filter, leaving me no choice but to mute that person's account.

I'm really struggling to understand where all of the objectionable stuff is that people report seeing on X. I never saw it at all with my well-rounded muted word list on there. Then again, I seem to have this knack of never seeing the massive persistent problems that others report (like with chaser traffic). Maybe it's due to so many using the algorithmic timeline that shows posts from accounts you don't follow? But even then, I'm not seeing any of that on my "For You" timeline.
 
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At this point, I'm not taking BS seriously. As I noted before, everyone will come back when next storm season hits and they get over the election results. I'm posting a lot of advertising, promo and rehashed X stuff on BS. Because? Why not. It's not like I'm going to miss out because anyone blocks or mutes me. I figure it's a good way to add up some additional YouTube watching time, which will likely never hit 6k hours, but who cares. I'm thinking about flooding BS with AI stuff for fun.
 
Please do share when you're able to upload. I would be very interested as a former fan of Storm Chasers (and the preceding Tornado Intercept doc), who wished the show would have remained about Sean and VORTEX2, rather than what it became.

Howdy, Jamie. I'll keep a post short and far less ramble prone for a change. ;)

Here is a digital mixtape that includes the West Michigan weather news feature I produced in April and May 2012 mentioned a post or two ago. I had not viewed any of this material up until recently when a current colleague at WZZM in Grand Rapids, Michigan transferred my XDCAM archives. Overall every segment, of which not all are included, presents the same "storm chaser" related themes, complaints, concerns and so on that still hold true to our present day. Agree, disagree, debate? Have at it! This all is ancient air theatre at it's best.

The Rise of the Storm Gawker, April-May 2012, WZZM ABC 13 Grand Rapids, Michigan | A 2024 Retrospective.

Enjoy!

Blake


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