Talk:Artimus Pyle

Editors' Notes from 2007

I've wikified the basic structure of the page, but it's a copyvio from here. The article needs a complete overhaul.

-- Sasuke Sarutobi 21:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I have a question about the chronology of Pyle's life in the late 60s, specifically dealing with these two phrases:

--"He was in many ways a model recruit, and was selected as the best honor recruit in 1968."

--"Artimus was very nearly sent into combat in Vietnam - he was being sent for training when the war drew to a conclusion."

Considering the war in Vietnam continued into the early 70s (technically until 1973), how is it possible that Pyle was in the military for 3-5 years and never saw combat? Or is this article suggesting that the Vietnam War ended in 1968 (which of course is wrong considering that was when the war was at its peak)? -- Stereoisomer 16:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Seems like I read someplace that Pyle was in the Marine Band. If thats the case, he would not have been sent into combat.Engr105th 02:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

--Pyle was an honor recruit at Camp Pendleton (CA) in 1968.

--Pyle went into the Marine Corps in early 1968 and was honorably discharged in the Fall of 1971...he worked on combat aircraft as an avionics specialist stateside, & never went to Viet Nam...he was never in the Marine Corps Band.

Shot in the shoulder

Pyle confirmed on the February 12, 2007 broadcast of Howard Stern that he was shot in the shoulder by 19-year old farmer, Johnny Mote. He stated that Mote told VH-1 that he fired a warning shot, but Pyle said he felt a sting in his shoulder, was spun around and the jean jacket he was wearing that he found in the wreckage was puffed up from the shot. Should this be added? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Craigelliott (talk • contribs) 13:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

I deleted the note regarding him not having any visible scars or evidence of a bullet wound. If he was shot with a lower powered .22 rimfire or only caught a pellet or two of birdshot from a shotgun, it is entirely possible that a scar could be very difficult to see. or even possibly, that it didn't even penetrate his jacket.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.242.1.33 (talk) 22:11, August 18, 2007 (UTC)

Multiple sources state the rifle fired a .243 Winchester. The projectile wouldn't fragment until it makes good contact with something solid and it is jacketed. It would have punched a neat hole in his jacket and not just "puffed it up". A .243 does more than just "sting". At the present, his is a claim that has never been verified.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 23:31, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Name / Middle Name

In the photo it says his middle name is Thomas but in the atricle it says Detmer...... 69.121.147.208 04:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

...Looks like the photo was deleted. Too bad, probably due to copyright. Anyone have a classic picture of him they can donate copyright-free? A photo would really add to the article. -Tzf (talk) 19:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Artimus? Does he mean Artemis? If not, what does Artimus mean? DavidFarmbrough (talk) 19:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Sex Offender Allegations / Conviction / related trial (formerly: deleted text - suspected vandalism)

I have deleted the following, as per Wikipedia living persons guidelines:

== Sex Offender Status == Artimus Pyle is a sex offender presently registered with the state of North Carolina [1] He was convicted in the state of Florida for numerous sexual offenses, including sexual battery with a victim under 12 (principal in attempt) and lewd and lacivious acts on a child under 16 (principal).

as the reference link only links to a general page and not to a specific reference. If this is a genuine reference which can be sourced, please accept my apologies and paste it back again, correctly sourced. I am reporting this case to the [2] for further action. --Technopat 13:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

There has been a great deal of discussion about this, as he was just arrested this month for failing to register as a sex offender. It's a pretty clear, established matter of fact.

Here's a link to an article about his 2009 trial: http://jacksonville.com/community/my_st_johns_sun/2009-08-28/story/former_skynyrd_drummer_acquitted (retrieved -Tzf (talk) 19:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC))

Serious Allegations

Is there any scientific evidence? (e,g.DNA matching,polygraph examinations,etc) that can prove those charges? Otherwise it is all conjecture that evolved from a confabulation from his former girlfriend in an attempt to extort Artimus from a Lynnard Skynnard settlement. So far all the public has is a mug-shot and these serious allegations. The so-called state of Florida is notorious for swiftly pointing fingers on the basis of hearsay without anything supporting the allegation(s)User:Drums4sure/talk

Fine and dandy but a judgement was entered against him and he must register as a sex offender. On that basis, its a hugely relevant fact yet is perpetually deleted from this article by 'fans' who apparently don't like reality. LoverOfArt (talk) 02:45, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

"Otherwise it is all conjecture..." - no, apparently he was convicted, even if it was part of a Plea Bargain that he made under duress or following bad advice. However, it would be great to have any sources for the conjecture you state here, Drums4Sure, that the incident was really an extortion attempt. It is significant that one of the girls involved was/is his daughter, that she supported him in the recent case, and that she says she does not believe a crime was committed. I would guess that the numerous comments by people who knew him as to his character might hold some encyclopedic value as well. There were negative comments as well, but none from people professing to actually know him or have any direct knowledge of the facts of the case. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of L.S. and of Pyle, so I want to believe he's innocent. But the allegations ARE serious, so attempts to set them aside should be serious as well. I hope someone can spend the time to look for Notable Sources on the topic, unfortunately I can not. -Tzf (talk) 19:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Pyle briefly tells his side of the story:

It began when he traveled to Jacksonville, Fla. in late 2007. He intended to contest his failure to register as a sex offender, which originally stemmed from charges made by a woman who Pyle claimed attempted to extort both he and his band 19 years earlier, when he was instead arrested. The story hit newspapers and instead of containing positive reviews of his album, he was being labeled a sexual predator all over the country.

His contention goes like this: already fighting a legal battle with Judy Van Zant over compensation in his post-Skynyrd days, Pyle was accused of the molestation of the daughters of a woman that he had been seeing for several years. He entered into a plea bargain with the state of Florida, which he maintains, was in order to spare the two girls from suffering an emotionally exhausting trial. It’s his assertion that the original charge came while Pyle changed one child’s diaper.

“She lied to me about every single phase of her life; men, money, her past, the present, her future and her agenda,” Pyle asserted. “I’d rather they say, ‘We think that Artimus may be a murderer’ than, ‘We think Artimus may have touched a child.’”

“It destroyed my life and it destroyed my family,” he added. “Not just them, but millions of Skynyrd fans and thousands of young marines who look up to me and say, ‘He’s a sergeant in the Marine Corps and he’s a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame drummer.’”

retrieved from http://www.yesweekly.com/triad/article-5663-former-skynyrd-drummer-remembers-friend.html -Tzf (talk) 15:58, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Book status

The article currently states that the publication of Pyle's autobiography "Street Survivor: Keeping the Beat in Lynyrd Skynyrd" has been postponed indefinitely, yet the book is used as a source in this same article. A couple of web sites give it a forthcoming publication date in October 2019. So has this book been published yet or not? If not, it obviously doesn't qualify as a source, and the parts currently sourced to it should be removed. Jah77 (talk) 20:11, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Since the book still hasn't been published and apparently won't be published in any foreseeable future, I removed all info that was sourced exclusively to it. Jah77 (talk) 14:31, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

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