Talk:History of the Malay language

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Reviewer: Yash! (talk · contribs) 13:15, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Clearly a quick fail. I will give the general issues soon. — Yash! ^[talk] 13:15, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

The article has large chunks of unreferenced material. Per the guidelines, every fact must have at least one reliable source. This much amount of content without reliable sources makes it eligible for a quick fail. Other than that, some terminology is little confusing and vague. The prose can use some copy editing. The article has potential but needs attention from someone knowledgeable in the field. It can be re nominated if the issues are addressed. Thanks! — Yash! ^[talk] 04:46, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

while the Spaniards and later the Americans gained control over the Philippines, where the Malay language did not thrive - subject to misinterpretation

It is not clear what the Spaniards and the Americans have to do with the Malay language that did not thrive in the Philippines.

The title of this article is about the Malay language and it can be interpreted that in the Philippines, Malay as a language was replaced by Spanish. Spanish was never spoken in the Philippines by the general public. As a proof, see my resources below. Spain ruled the Philippines for 330 years and the resources I have were written during Spain's twilight years i.e. they were about to leave the Philippines, never to come back as colonizers and yet Spanish was still not the common language in the Philippines.

El Filibusterismo byJose Rizal Published 1891 "You wish to add one more language to the forty odd that are spoken in the islands, so that you may understand one another less and less."

El Filibusterismo byJose Rizal Published 1891 "Spanish will never be the general language of the country, the people will never talk it, because the conceptions of their brains and the feelings of their hearts cannot be expressed in that language--each people has its own tongue, as it has its own way of thinking! What are you going to do with Castilian, the few of you who will speak it? Kill off your own originality, subordinate your thoughts to other brains, and instead of freeing yourselves, make yourselves slaves indeed! Nine-tenths of those of you who pretend to be enlightened are renegades to your country! He among you who talks that language neglects his own in such a way that he neither writes nor understands it, and how many have I not seen who pretended not to know a single word of it! But fortunately, you have an imbecile government! While Russia enslaves Poland by forcing the Russian language upon it, while Germany prohibits French in the conquered provinces, your government strives to preserve yours"

Filipinas por España: Narración episódica de la rebelión en el archipiélago filipino, Volume 2 By Emilio Reverter Delmas, Printed Centro editorial de A. Martín, 1897 - Philippines Page 445 "The natives have no knowledge of our Spanish language. It's almost the same as it was during Legazpi's time. They barely understand us and we do not understand the natives, not little, not much. The leyes de Indias (Laws on Education) that has been much talked about has never been complied with and they are dead letters. The same as other laws on the teaching of the Spanish language."

Filipinas y sus habitantesMain Author: González y Martín, R. Published: Béjar, Estab. tip. de la viuda de Aguilar, 1896. Page 98 - "in spite of the four long centuries that Spain has owned and dominated the Philippines, the elegant and rich Spanish language is barely known and spoken. In the Philippines 8/10 or 9/10 of the natives have no knowledge of Spanish. Without changing the current circumstances in the Archipelago, it will be difficult if not impossible for natives to accept the mother tongue of the country."

And the following are what the Americans observed while they were in the Philippines

America and the Philippines, by Carl Crow; illustrated from photographs.Published: Garden City, New York, Doubleday, Page & company, 1914. Pages 68-69 "There was no common language in which instruction could be given, for less than 5 per cent. of the people could speak Spanish, and no one of the many tribal languages was used over any large part of the country."BuhayPinoy (talk) 08:20, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

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