Talk:SS Exodus

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I think the ties between the events around the Exodus and the anti-semitic riots in Liverpool are not sufficiently established in this article. Cause-and-effect are unclear. I never knew about this and I think it deserves a lot more attention, also in the article about Liverpool. Soczyczi 12:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Yossi Harel

This article caught my attention after browsing here after reading the Ynet article about Yossi Harel's death (RIP). How is it possible that this article doesn't even mention him one time? I'm not an expert on the subject and don't have time to read the entire article to see how to best insert references about Harel anyway, but I hope someone can do it. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 15:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Sergeant Affair

References to the Sergeant Affair should be removed as the date of the embarkation of the Exodus 1947 and the Hanging of the Sergeants by Terrorists were both 11th July. The two incidents are not linked. The Sergeant Affair is linked to the Accra prison breakout.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Ship master (captain) discrepancy?

The United States Naval Historical Center history of the ship (here: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/p11/president_warfield.htm) lists Itzak Aronowitz as the ship's master (or captain), which is at odds with the article's statement that it was Yossi Harel. Can anyone clarify? — Bellhalla (talk) 14:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yossi was the Haganah rep.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Brown in Steam Packets on the Chesapeake: A History of the Old Bay Line (used as a citation) says that "21–year old Captain Itzak Aronowitz" was skipper (p. 120). JGHowes ^talk - 19:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Liverpool riots

The Liverpool Riots were a reaction to Jewish terrorism after the hanging of the sergeants.The references to the Liverpool riots should by under Sergeants Affair or the Accra prison BreakoutAshley kennedy3 (talk) 17:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Exodus Master

The Master of Exodus is Itzhak (Ike) Aharonowitch.

He lives in Zichron Ya'akov and I see him from time to time.

He was comissioned at the age 21 or 23 and became ship's Master.

His home in Zichron at Ben Gurion st No 1 looks like a ship.

Aharon Hamburger Har-El was the commander of the ship from HAGANA, He passed a way this year. When Israel was founded he became an Intelligence Officer at the rank of Lt. Colonel.

6m Camps?

while approx 6 million Jews were murdered in the holocaust not all those deaths were in camps. The sentence claiming that 6 million died in camps is therefore incorrect.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

No citations

As well as the fact that the 6 million died in camps figure is undoubtedly wrong according to all historians (~1/2 were shot or executed by the Einsatzgruppen in some way), almost no claims are cited. Particularly troublesome is the charge that a bomb was planted on the ship by the Jews before they disembarked. I am no expert but I can't find any mention of this through google searches and it seems in line with countless other acts of vandalism I've seen in pages regarding Jews; however, since I'm not an expert I'll leave it for the times being. If no one provides a source, however, I recommend it's deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.207.134 (talk) 00:37, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Sources stating that a bomb was planted on the Empire Rival:

Idith Zertal, From Catastrophe to Power, The Holocaust Survivors and the Emergence of Israel (1998), page 138:

"Disembarkation from the second ship on which, it was later discovered, the head of the Palmach escorts had planted a bomb, on orders of his commanders, also proceeded quietly and without disturbance. It was so quiet that Moshe Perlman, who did not know about the bomb, accused the refugees of having lost the pride they displayed in France and of leaving the boat "like sheep."

Nicholas Bethell, The Palestine Triangle (1979), page 343:

"On September 8th they reached Hamburg. The refugees from the Empire Rival disembarked quickly. Major Gray says: 'They went off like lambs. I thought it was pretty odd. Also my sentries had heard banging down in the hold. So I sent a bomb disposal team down. They discovered that an inspection cover in the hold had been tampered with and when they lifted it up they found a seven-gallon cooking oil tin with two wires coming out of it. It was so arranged that, as soon as the ship got out to sea, the bilge water would have sloshed across the contact and up the bomb would have gone.'"

    ←   ZScarpia   12:31, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Please help improve this article

I just spent a couple of hours on this article, but it needs a lot more work. It's not bad, but I can't help but compare it with something like Titanic, which is so much richer -- longer, more thoroughly researched, more clearly structured, and more engagingly written. And really, the SS Exodus article should be much better than the Titanic one, because the Exodus story is so much more historically important, relative to the story of the Titanic.

Please help make this article better if you have time. Here are a couple of sources I found helpful:

• The Exodus Affair: Holocaust Survivors and the Struggle for Palestine by Aviva Halamish
• Operation Exodus: A Perilous Journey from the Nazi Death Camps to the Promised Land by Gordon Thomas
• Exodus 1947: The Ship That Launched a Nation by Ruth Gruber

I will probably come back and edit this article again at some point, but for the moment I'm done, so please feel free to edit my text. I'm not wedded to anything here; I've just been trying to help as much as I could in a few hours. It's a compelling and important story --- it deserves a great article. Thanks Sue Gardner (talk) 20:11, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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Eli Schalit

(request edit) This entry of SS Exodus 47 is missing a key connection to the name of Eli Schalit. Eli Schalit was sent by PM David Ben Gurion to the US after WWII to buy surplus war materiel, including airplanes and ships. The funding for this came from the Biltmore group organized by Peter Bergson (otherwise known as Hillel Kook). Schalit bought the transport planes that flew to Czechoslovakia and picked up the Messerschmidt planes left over from WWII that were taken in parts to Israel and formed the IAF with a few British spitfires. Schalit also purchased the President Warfield the ship that became known as the Exodus-48 (not 47). Schalit was also responsible for buying unused port facilities in Spain, France Italy and Greece, where ships taking Jewish DP refugees to Israel were refitted. The insides were torn out so that where hundreds had been accommodated, thousands were now crammed in. Schalit bought these refitting facilities with private money, so that it was not directly connected to Israel. After the War of Independence in 1948, Schalit still officially owned these facilities and from them he developed a thriving maritime business. Eventually his company the Colbert Group became one of the largest shipbuilding companies in the world, building ships for the Cunard and Carnival Lines. Schalit's connection toacquring arms and the ship President Warfield are described in detail in the excellent book "The Pledge" by Leonard Slater (Pocket Books, 1971) Jackscohen (talk) 18:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)