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Hi TheRealSerenaJoy, finally the trifecta of editors coming to scare you away from editing. No, I think that the environment over there is very toxic, as highly socked/paid areas often become. Everyone has so much fun booting off socks they forget that {{abbr|sometimes|(or often if you're the type to extend your good faith olive branch)}} new editors are the good faith kind like yourself. No doubt the suspicions leveled at you were a huge over reaction, but I don't think they come from a place of bad faith, just lack of agf. I'd have emailed you but A) I can't, B) In the interest of {{abbr|transparency|or a tad of support that was left wanting}} this works better. [[User:Pabsoluterince|Pabsoluterince]] ([[User talk:Pabsoluterince|talk]]) 11:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi TheRealSerenaJoy, finally the trifecta of editors coming to scare you away from editing. No, I think that the environment over there is very toxic, as highly socked/paid areas often become. Everyone has so much fun booting off socks they forget that {{abbr|sometimes|(or often if you're the type to extend your good faith olive branch)}} new editors are the good faith kind like yourself. No doubt the suspicions leveled at you were a huge over reaction, but I don't think they come from a place of bad faith, just lack of agf. I'd have emailed you but A) I can't, B) In the interest of {{abbr|transparency|or a tad of support that was left wanting}} this works better. [[User:Pabsoluterince|Pabsoluterince]] ([[User talk:Pabsoluterince|talk]]) 11:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks for the note. Yes, I do think the reaction was a bit overzealous. If I have an issue with an edit I think is wrong, I fix it and mark it in the revision note. If the explanation is long enough, I'd leave a comment for that user if it were substantial enough to warrant so. I would never ask "why are you editing this page? Do you have a conflict of interest?" as these two have done. And yes, I see in looking through the page history, what appears to be suspicious activity, and sadly the reactions here and the peeking I've done on the page so far lead me to believe that the two editors in question who have parked themselves like a couple of trolls under the bridge, are being paid. Arguing over whether to call the guy a producer or not when the larger part of the ~87 sources assign him the title of producer (one article does so at least 10 times within) makes me wonder, why the fight on such a stupid matter that is clearly verifiable in print? They're pushing to keep the article wrong? I've not had any terrible experiences with Wikipedia for the most part people have been helpful and pleasant. But I am going to do more research on this because (regarding specifically the COI accusation) "whoever smelt it, dealt it" usually is more accurate than not. I also had to defend my honor since I got 4th? or 5th? place for participation in last month's GOCE drive. ;) Thanks again. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 16:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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Welcome to my talk page. Please feel free to leave me a message if you have questions with any of my contributions. The Real Serena JoyTalk 02:22, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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Thanks for your review, The Most Comfortable Chair. I appreciate your time. The Real Serena JoyTalk 22:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GOCE Request page note

Hi TheRealSerenaJoy, welcome to the Guild of Copy Editors. Just a note about the GOCE Requets page, where I see you've left some comments for a requesting editor. It's usually best to leave such comments on the requester's own talk page, first because the requester may not notice you've left the comments, and second because requests are removed and archived by a bot around 24 hours after you've added {{Done}} to the page. Matters concerning requests, copy-editing and other GOCE-related things should be posted to the Requests talk page (REQ talk) or another relevant GOCE talk page, especially if you want replies from other editors. Thanks for your work on the requests, I hope to see you at the Requests page in the future. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 01:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion Baffle_gab - I agree 100% I will move my comment to user's page. Wasn't thinking! The Real Serena JoyTalk 15:21, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. Another note; please use {{Done}} rather than {{Completed}} at the Requests page, otherwise the archiving bot won't archive your finished requests. You should, however, use 'Completed' to log your work at drive and blitz pages. You can always contact me or one of the other GOCE coordinators and editors at the Guild's main talk pages. I've fixed the templates for you. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 04:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thank you Baffle_gab I was originally was using done, then somewhere I saw completed so I thought that was the one to use. I'll go fix my entries as I did a bunch of shorter articles yesterday. (But I see someone beat me to it.) Thanks again. The Real Serena JoyTalk 01:02, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No problem; you should also register your May copy-edits at your section on the Drive page before we close it (or at latest 24 hours after closing) so we can calculate your barnstar awards; there are brief instructions here. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 03:57, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, user:Baffle_gab1978 I did go and update the counts; I was trying to do it after completing each article so I don't forget. :) Thanks again!The Real Serena JoyTalk 19:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@North8000: Thanks, I appreciate you taking a moment to comment!The Real Serena JoyTalk 18:20, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mass changes at Ryan Kavanaugh

Hello, I mean this with the utmost respect (I very much appreciate good-faith copyeditors), but many of the changes you've made to the Ryan Kavanaugh article do not appear to be improvements, at least in my opinion. From a glance, I've noticed quite few general MOS issues, such as introduced punctuation errors, non-neutral wording in the lead, introduction of a source that editors have previously agreed to be unreliable, and additions of {{citation needed}} templates where information is already adequately cited. Will probably address these in more detail in the coming days. Throast (talk | contribs) 00:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to the concerns by @Throast above there is also a question by @Popoki35, here, that needs to be addressed. Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia and, specifically, your attention to this matter. --ARoseWolf 12:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Throast, I thank you for taking the time to make comments, but I have to disagree with your assessment. I fixed many typos, punctuation errors and tweaked sentence structure improvements to remove things like lacking verb tense agreement, limiting overuse of parenthetical phrases vs. em-dash, semicolons, punctuation outside the quotes, etc. But the grammar and style aside - what I do take a tad bit of a back step on it you saying I've used non-neutral wording. I'll take another look at the article and my changes, but at a high level, from the articles cited which I've read, I'd say this wiki entry is really violating WP:NPOV, WP:BLP minimally. I didn't comb through the entire page history, but now I will check it out, but from what I saw in these articles vs. the wiki - anything even remotely positive is either not mentioned or was at one point and then removed. I take the WP:BLP policy very seriously when I edit for obvious reasons..... as we all do. I'm happy to collaborate with all editors on Wikipedia, which we all know is a consensus.
I'll go take a closer look... The Real Serena JoyTalk 20:50, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Petty disputes" (emphasis on "petty") was what I had in mind in regard to non-neutral wording. Such a value judgment diminishes the civil cases brought against Kavanaugh, which would be ok to use were it supported by the article body and by reliable sources, which it isn't. Regarding NPOV and BLP issues, nothing in particular sticks out to me (the article has received quite a bit of outside attention and has been combed over several times), but if there are any, please raise those at Talk:Ryan Kavanaugh to discuss. Popoki35 made what appears to be an honest effort to explain their general structure/punctuation objections in their edit summaries, see the revision history. If you want to raise your objections on the article talk page in regard to those reversions, please feel free to do so. Throast (talk | contribs) 23:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

May drive bling

Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 4th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to TheRealSerenaJoy for copyediting 12 articles during the GOCE May 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 02:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Miniapolis! The bling is a nice touch! The Real Serena JoyTalk 13:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 5th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to TheRealSerenaJoy for copyediting 25,711 total words during the GOCE May 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 02:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The (old school) League of Copy Editors Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to TheRealSerenaJoy for copy edits totaling over 30,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE May 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 02:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edits at Ryan Kavanaugh

Hi TheRealSerenaJoy, finally the trifecta of editors coming to scare you away from editing. No, I think that the environment over there is very toxic, as highly socked/paid areas often become. Everyone has so much fun booting off socks they forget that sometimes new editors are the good faith kind like yourself. No doubt the suspicions leveled at you were a huge over reaction, but I don't think they come from a place of bad faith, just lack of agf. I'd have emailed you but A) I can't, B) In the interest of transparency this works better. Pabsoluterince (talk) 11:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. Yes, I do think the reaction was a bit overzealous. If I have an issue with an edit I think is wrong, I fix it and mark it in the revision note. If the explanation is long enough, I'd leave a comment for that user if it were substantial enough to warrant so. I would never ask "why are you editing this page? Do you have a conflict of interest?" as these two have done. And yes, I see in looking through the page history, what appears to be suspicious activity, and sadly the reactions here and the peeking I've done on the page so far lead me to believe that the two editors in question who have parked themselves like a couple of trolls under the bridge, are being paid. Arguing over whether to call the guy a producer or not when the larger part of the ~87 sources assign him the title of producer (one article does so at least 10 times within) makes me wonder, why the fight on such a stupid matter that is clearly verifiable in print? They're pushing to keep the article wrong? I've not had any terrible experiences with Wikipedia for the most part people have been helpful and pleasant. But I am going to do more research on this because (regarding specifically the COI accusation) "whoever smelt it, dealt it" usually is more accurate than not. I also had to defend my honor since I got 4th? or 5th? place for participation in last month's GOCE drive. ;) Thanks again. The Real Serena JoyTalk 16:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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