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===August 2009===
# [[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|attack]] other editors{{#if:Talk:Lindsay Lohan|, as you did on [[:Talk:Lindsay Lohan]]}}. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Introduction|welcome page]] to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|Thank you.}}<!-- Template:uw-npa1 --> [[User:Whatever404|Whatever404]] ([[User talk:Whatever404|talk]]) 00:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
#[[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Please do not [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|attack]] other editors{{#if:|, as you did at [[:{{{1}}}]]}}. Comment on ''content'', not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please [[Wikipedia:Staying cool when the editing gets hot|stay cool]] and keep this in mind while editing. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|Thank you.}}<!-- Template:uw-npa2 --> [[User:Whatever404|Whatever404]] ([[User talk:Whatever404|talk]]) 13:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

===Discussion===
You'd be more convincing when warning against personal attacks if you actually, um, linked to a personal attack.
Just because someone proves you wrong, that doesn't, in and of itself, constitute a "personal attack".
Falsely accusing someone of having made personal attacks, without anything to back it up, ''is'' disruptive behaviour itself. And fake warnings are guaranteed to be ignored.
Of course, don't forget that, should you not wish to see this etiquette reminder on your talk page, you're more than welcome to delete or archive it. [[Special:Contributions/209.90.135.121|209.90.135.121]] ([[User talk:209.90.135.121|talk]]) 05:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

:Sure thing. In [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALindsay_Lohan&diff=308939467&oldid=308886003 this edit], you accused another editor (me) of ''"ignoring BLP when it isn't convenient."'' and assumed a bad-faith reason: ''"disapprov''[ing]'' of ''[someone's]'' reasons for not self-outing"''. These accusations against another contributor on an article Talk page fail [[WP:AGF]] and [[WP:NPA]].

:You have since made two other uncivil actions: in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A209.90.135.121&diff=309009287&oldid=308977341 this edit], when you removed another editor's (my) comment, your edit referred to the comment as "utter nonsense" and then as "nonsense". [[Wikipedia:Civility#Engaging_in_incivility|WP:CIVIL]] specifically lists "Judgmental tone in edit summaries" as uncivil, and thus inappropriate.

:Further, your "[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AWhatever404&diff=309011150&oldid=308937183 etiquette reminder]" (above) itself has a hostile tone. The first sentence is needlessly inflammatory, it is something someone would say while bickering. Framing my reminder as a "false... accusation" and a "fake warning" is not comparable to calmly asking for evidence and then waiting, which would have been more appropriate.

:Please try to adjust your tone. Baiting and taunting other editors will only make your time here unpleasant. [[User:Whatever404|Whatever404]] ([[User talk:Whatever404|talk]]) 13:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


== A note to visitors ==
== A note to visitors ==

Revision as of 13:18, 20 August 2009


Welcome!

Welcome!

Hello, 209.90.135.121, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like this place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I would recommend that you get a username by clicking sign up. You don't have to log in to read or edit articles on Wikipedia, but creating an account is quick, free and non-intrusive, requires no personal information, and has many benefits. As a registered user, you gain the use of an appropriate username of your choice, a personal watchlist to which you can add articles that interest you, the ability to start new pages, and much more. Also, your IP address, 209.90.135.121, will no longer be visible to other users.

Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there.  Again, welcome! Siawase (talk) 20:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Warnings

August 2009

  1. Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on Talk:Lindsay Lohan. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Whatever404 (talk) 00:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Whatever404 (talk) 13:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

You'd be more convincing when warning against personal attacks if you actually, um, linked to a personal attack. Just because someone proves you wrong, that doesn't, in and of itself, constitute a "personal attack". Falsely accusing someone of having made personal attacks, without anything to back it up, is disruptive behaviour itself. And fake warnings are guaranteed to be ignored. Of course, don't forget that, should you not wish to see this etiquette reminder on your talk page, you're more than welcome to delete or archive it. 209.90.135.121 (talk) 05:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing. In this edit, you accused another editor (me) of "ignoring BLP when it isn't convenient." and assumed a bad-faith reason: "disapprov[ing] of [someone's] reasons for not self-outing". These accusations against another contributor on an article Talk page fail WP:AGF and WP:NPA.
You have since made two other uncivil actions: in this edit, when you removed another editor's (my) comment, your edit referred to the comment as "utter nonsense" and then as "nonsense". WP:CIVIL specifically lists "Judgmental tone in edit summaries" as uncivil, and thus inappropriate.
Further, your "etiquette reminder" (above) itself has a hostile tone. The first sentence is needlessly inflammatory, it is something someone would say while bickering. Framing my reminder as a "false... accusation" and a "fake warning" is not comparable to calmly asking for evidence and then waiting, which would have been more appropriate.
Please try to adjust your tone. Baiting and taunting other editors will only make your time here unpleasant. Whatever404 (talk) 13:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A note to visitors

BTW, just a note to any visitors: This is a dynamic IP address.
If you have any messages to leave for me, I'll likely not receive them here, since my ip address seems to change every couple of days. Please keep this in mind before leaving any messages here, as they may be received by someone else. (This is particularly significant if you wish to leave something far more uncivil than you could ever get away with leaving on an account's talk page) 209.90.135.121 (talk) 05:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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