User talk:C. W. Gilmore

Out of curiosity...

How did you notice my discussion(s) on TB's talk page. Since I got so many random responses from other editors who were apparently his talk page watchers, I assumed you were more of the same, but you don't seem to have ever edited that page until just now. Combined with this cryptic message you left on my talk page a few months back ... well, it honestly kinda weirds me out. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:10, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I have been following them and other editors for quite some time that is how your comments have come to my attention even when you do not name me as you accuse me of dancing on a grave. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 04:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

FWIW, I wasn't talking about you at all, and had completely forgotten about the incident in February (that was the only reason I wrote the above). I don't recall if I mentioned the name of the editor I was talking about, Andrew Davidson, explicitly, but it was obvious from the diffs who I was talking about. I have no idea why you have been following TonyBallioni (talk · contribs) for two months, but would I be right in assuming it had something to do with this? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:21, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

No User:Hijiri88, you are agian mistaken. I had nothing to do with TB's post (or vote) and I don't dance on graves either. Anything around that subject, I only watched from afar and said nothing. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 04:28, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

User:Hijiri88 - That comment on your TP (22 Feb), you then went on to an Administrator's TP and said I was 'grave dancing' necaise of that comment. I dropped it because I thought I was the only one. Now I find out you accuse even more! C. W. Gilmore (talk) 05:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh... you meant this. I get it now. In the future, providing the diffs up-front would be best. Anyway, please leave me the heck alone, as I have been trying to do for you for the last two months -- I literally had no idea who you were when you showed up on TB's talk page this morning (hence my above message that I tried to blank once I remembered who you are). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:54, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

"Leave you alone?' Hijiri 88, you are the one who accuse me wrongly of Grave Dancing and continue using such over the top language in your claims in the ANI you started. Stop your actions and I will be very glad to forget all about you once more. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 06:07, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I was not wrong. Celebrating the site-banning of a user by sending "friendly" messages to the users who !voted in favour of the banning is grave-dancing. But I had completely forgotten about that until you followed me to TonyBallioni's talk page today. I would be happy if you'd forget me for once, but saying you will forget me "once more" makes it very difficult to trust you when you followed me to TB's talk page today. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:13, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

What part of the fact that I was following TonyBallioni (talk · contribs), do you not get? So when you pipe up on someone's TP accusing people of Grave Dancing, you will get my attention. Please start assuming good faith. - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 06:28, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

If you want to "follow" TB that's between you and him, but you never edited his talk page until today. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:36, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Hijiri 88, you never make over the top comments about grave dancing on his talking page before. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 06:46, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I literally posted on his talk page two weeks ago about several IPs dancing on the grave of a YouTuber who died in 2014. And over the past several months I've made no end of "over-the-top" allegations of plagiarism on his talk page. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:53, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hijiri 88 Please stay off my page unless require Thank you.C. W. Gilmore (talk) 06:49, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

May 2018

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:15, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Lovely retaliation for pointing out, you- [User:Hijiri88], have been making claims of Grave Dancing as a habit of course[1][2]. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 04:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for persistent disruption per this ANI discussion.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 21:00, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry it had to come to this CW. I don't like seeing you getting blocked, but this is something now only the community can rule on. If you want to appeal the block, it has to be to the community now, as they are the ones who supported your block. Please be aware you may only appeal every 6 months.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 21:02, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

• Strange that a total of 5 votes is all it takes to end everything, but that appears to be the wiki way. Wikipedia:Banning policy C. W. Gilmore (talk) 21:21, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

• Good Luck everyone and thanks to those that tried to be helpful and thoughtful, it is appreciated. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 21:19, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

  You are only blocked. Not banned. If you were banned, I big notice would be plastered on the top of your user and talk pages.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:14, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Given that only two people spoke up for me, and "... where no administrator would be willing to lift the block, the user is effectively banned by the community." -Wikipedia:Blocking policy I thought it best to prepare for this as if it were a ban. I had hope someone might notice that I had been trying hard to avoid conflicts and controversies and the 'dirt' brought up was from last year, but few seemed to care are even fewer seemed willing to vote. The silence of the AN/I was quite loud and clear, thank you. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 18:30, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Anything is possible. I know another user who managed to get himself globally banned and nearly banned a second time after being unbanned the first time. With that being said, I gave the user one last chance, putting him on some sever restrictions, and he turned around and became a productive user. My point is the community CAN forgive and forget. I'm sure you will be back in the game before long. I can't unilaterally unblock you, so I am waiting to see you file a successful appeal. :-)—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:37, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

related issues

• Apology to User:TonyBallioni for causing a dust-up on their talk page (that was inappropriate venue) and a mistake on my part. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 22:26, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
• User:Snow Rise's critique was very insightful and helpful. Given that many of my edits are in contentious areas it has been difficult to avoid conflict, which is why I had recently attempted to focus more on the talk pages of these articles; ex: Louis Farrakhan and work with Admins to deal with contentious edits [3] [4] [5]. This shift to avoid conflict is why the article space - not-article space ratio optics appear off but explainable as the last thing I desired was to be the centre of conflict. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 22:26, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
• Wikipedia is not a battleground, perhaps all the problems are not entirely mine - [6][7][8][9][10]
• Editing other users' talk page, after requested to stay off. - [11] -Example of more WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior.

A final quote on blocking and banning

• "Some editors, even some administrators on Wikipedia forget why we are here and begin to adopt a punitive model for Wikipedia politics. They support blocks, bans, and enforcement of Arbitration Committee sanctions in order to exact retribution on "bad users" rather than helping to create and improve encyclopedic content. This is regrettable and problematic, not to mention contrary to the reason for blocks, bans, and enforcements as stated in the Wikipedia guidelines and policies linked in the previous sentence." - WP:PUNITIVE
• What is done is done, and so, it is time to move forward and do better tomorrow - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 08:13, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Just to be clear?

There are projects I was in the middle of doing on Meta-Wiki and it will be acceptable to continue? C. W. Gilmore (talk) 05:27, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Sure. You’re not blocked there.—CYBERPOWER (Around) 12:27, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Antisemitism in the Labour Party

Please could you have a look at this Antisemitism in the UK Labour Party. Attempts at trying to achieve the neutrality you requested are being thwarted by a number of editors. Garageland66 (talk) 07:52, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Sadly, I am unable to assist. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 19:47, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Confederate monuments

I was hoping you'd comment on a matter at the Removal of Confederate monuments and memorials talk page.--MagicatthemovieS

Sadly, I am unable to assist. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 22:26, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

July 2018

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

• Hijiri88 - deleting content from my TP: [12] After being asked to 'STAY OFF' and being warned by others not to do similar things on another editor's TP:

  "...The community is completely fed up with your disruptive behavior. Consider this a formal warning, and adjust your behavior accordingly. I will give the other editor a very similar warning. Please take my warning seriously. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:05, 4 July 2018 (UTC)"

":Endorsing this warning; there's absolutely no reason for you to edit Dream Focus's user page. Even if they have made a snide remark sometime in between, there's no need for you to re-litigate the issue persistently at ANI; there's enough admins watching this; let it go and let someone else deal with it. This is coming from someone that is usually supportive of you. Alex Shih (talk) 07:44, 4 July 2018 (UTC)" - [13]

• Again, with making Wiki into a WP:BATTLEGROUND with anyone, you think has crossed you, even their TP is your battle ground: [14]

Staying off the TP, includes deleting my edits on my TP - Thank You

• Hijiri 88 Please stay off my page unless require Thank you.C. W. Gilmore (talk) 06:49, 4 May 2018 (UTC)