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Cleaning up my attics

Hi, can you help compress User:Lenticel/Articles (compress the DYK's to simply state the date and the article name, I'll follow that format for newer DYK's), User:Lenticel/Barnstars (make them mini-barnstars) and User:Lenticel/Userboxes (make it more than one column to make it eat less space) Thanks --Lenticel (talk) 01:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing my attics!--Lenticel (talk) 22:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


good reason for deletion

the first sentence at [1]. convinced even me. DGG (talk) 19:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting

Heh, I'm using Huggle and it's really easy to use.  Sunderland06  21:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New humorous subpage

I was thinking of giving you something in return in fixing my pages so I think I'll simply give you an idea that would replace the WP:Screambox. I was thinking of Wikipick-up lines. It will be the community's help for those who gave so much of their time in Wikipedia that the chances of them getting mate is getting less than zero. Perhaps Keeper and you can formulate one on your user subpage. I'm not romantically successful so you're on your own here--Lenticel (talk) 10:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's very nice of you to want to return the favour, but actually I have never had a shortage of shit ideas in my head (the latest being a practical wake-up call to what doing harm to Wikipedia often looks like, at least in my opinion), nor do I have a shortage in girlfriends. Dorftrottel (troll) 13:20, April 9, 2008
I'm not sure how thrilled I am to be automatically associated with Dorftrottel and his shit ideas:-). And, as far as the other issue mentioned, my wife is frigging hot. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yours too? But mine also has a great sense of humor. Dorftrottel (talk) 19:03, April 10, 2008
Absolutely. My wife laughs at me all the time....wait...is that what you meant? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. What else would I mean? It's the same old LSF cycle: she laughs at me, then I smack her in the mouth, then the fucking. She never complains. Dorftrottel (warn) 23:38, April 10, 2008

On Kmweber

Dorftrottel, could you please cease on making sarcastic references and/or replies to Kurt's regular self-nom oppositioning reason at RfA? This issue has been hashed and rehashed for nearly a year now in every relevant talk page and dispute resolution forum as to his standard replies for such RfAs. Kurt will not change his mind, and the community has agreed that his decision is to be respected in good faith and let bureaucrats judge the weight and validity of the opinion in determining consensus. Such poking at his comments is a distraction from the discussion of the user at hand. A personal request to consider, happy editing to you. Keegantalk 06:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No thanks. As long as RfA is a discussion, I will continue to express my opinion on the validity of other people's reasonings. Besides, my quipping comments may be viewed as a relief by some. Therefore, screw the rest who freely choose neither to assume good faith with me and my usually short comments nor to at least ignore them. Dorftrottel (troll) 06:39, April 10, 2008
Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, I do not assume ill intentions in your posting, and I do appreciate the point (not point, but a valid point). I don't expect Kurt to stop opposing with the same reply, nor do I reasonably expect that people will not continue to question it. I just thought I'd ask if you'd reassess the opposition to the opposition, and it's fine if you don't. Happy editing to you. Keegantalk 07:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I appreciate it. Btw, I'm aware of my tendency to pass up chances not to comment. Dorftrottel (complain) 08:33, April 10, 2008

kurt weber

As has been confirmed in numerous RfC's, numerous complaints on AN/I, and an arbcom appeal Kurt has the right to to oppose people for whatever reason he choses to do so. His position is well known and the 'crats will apply the appropriate weight to his !votes. The constant harassment of him and others who share his opinion however, is (IMHO) unacceptable. I have seriously considered starting an RfC against people who mock him. His !votes only become disruptive because others make it a point to attack him. Simply ignore his vote and move on.Balloonman (talk) 18:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As an FYI, I crossposted this to the RFA talk page. Because it is a concern surrounding not just you, but others.Balloonman (talk) 18:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Harassment? Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm all for using that word for as many and as trivial things as possible so as to decrease its value. But RfAs are discussions. Nobody is forced to participate in any RfA, but if and when someone chooses to do so, they will do it under the condition that others may comment on the validity of their comments and reasonings. Harassment is a far stretch. I'm not trolling his talk page or anything. So go ahead with that RfC drama, I wish you a good time, as that will be the sole potential benefit of it. Dorftrottel (complain) 19:02, April 10, 2008
Ah, cripes, dorf. Can't you just simply refrain from commenting on Kmweber's posts? Futile exertion of energy, IMO. Same as LGRdC. Not worth it. Just agree to disagree, stop posting everytime Kurt posts, and move on? I'm hopeful, but also realistic....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Eek. Point taken. Please just don't mention those two in one posting again unless unavoidable. I know that Kurt basically has a good head on his shoulders and means and does no harm. May I occasionally post a "no comment" comment or will the drama-addicts abuse that for their purposes as well? Dorftrottel (warn) 23:41, April 10, 2008
Posting a "no comment comment", besides being simply ironic, has connotations, and you know very well how some editors will respond to it because of the "history". For the love of "fucking like an animal" (call me troll, but I saw this post of yours somewhere, and laughed my ass off - my apologies to anyone else reading this that doesn't know the context, please note that it isn't meant as harmful to you, me, or Dorftrottel...), please just don't. Don't make me defend you. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(od) I guess at the time of above comment I hadn't fully appreciated the denseness surrounding this non-issue. Look, what I may do is post comments along the lines of the following: "I do fully recognise and agree with Kurt Weber's right to comment in RfAs the way he sees fit. Regardless of any of that, I also respect him as an intelligent and trustworthy editor in good standing and it is in no way my intention to harass or attack him in any way by commenting here. However, in following his decision to inform other users about his opinion in individual RfAs rather than at a central location, I feel it is both justified by the fact that RfAs are meant to be discussions, not votes, and also necessary to place a comment regarding my opinion on the validity of his reasoning in individual RfAs as well: In my humble opinion, Kurt Weber's reasoning is not logically valid." — Balloonman's actions and the aggressiveness he displayed are seriously disconcerting. If anyone, he should have some defending to do for himself, instead of continuing and escalating his senseless attacks. Not Kurt is being harassed, the candidates are, and now the people who comment partly out of empathy for the candidates. Dorftrottel (troll) 19:24, April 12, 2008

To be clear, I probably won't actually post such a comment, but I want the right to do it. Dorftrottel (bait) 23:29, April 12, 2008

Thank you

Thanks very much for joining our NotTheWikipediaWeekly chat yesterday! It was wonderful to have you with us and I really appreciate your patience with my first time hosting. Hope you'll join us again.

Und vielleicht dürfe ich deine Muttersprache ein biβchen üben. Man vergißt die Wörter so schnell in Kalifornien. Auf wiederhören. :) DurovaCharge! 17:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey wow, that was excellent! Indeed, I enjoyed it myself. Most probably going to tune in again; and your hosting was absolutely competent. Dorftrottel (warn) 19:29, April 12, 2008
Und ja, lass uns das nächste Mal auf jeden Fall ein paar Worte auf Deutsch wechseln. Dorftrottel (troll) 00:44, April 13, 2008

question

What is this--Filll (talk) 00:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean? It's my suggestion for a topic. Dorftrottel (complain) 00:33, April 13, 2008

Oh ok I get it. Wow you write well.--Filll (talk) 00:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Btw: I have your challenge pages opened and will now dive into it. Dorftrottel (talk) 00:38, April 13, 2008

Edits to my user page

Thx.Ferrylodge (talk) 20:53, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Dorftrottel (harass) 20:56, April 13, 2008

hooray!

If there were an award for titification of user pages I'd have to dig it out and hand it to you! Actually, there probably is, but I have no idea where it might be.... please dig it out and award it to yourself on my behalf! Thanks heaps for your edits to my userpage which have improved it mightily! Privatemusings (talk) 07:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, and your hooray is reward enough. Dorftrottel (vandalise) 17:38, April 14, 2008

Oh come on...

I have your page watchlisted. I have EVula's watchlisted, and I have Balloonman's watchlisted. All for different reasons. Without making any observations about any of the last few days' "activities, this is just plain pointy, Dorf. 2 pence. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of heat, need more light. (this is being crossposted) Please hash this out here. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(crossposted, again. Second offer) You both keep saying you want this to go away. Yet you both keep posting. This has degenerated into mud slinging, from both sides. "No, you're incivil." "No, you are!" Am not! Are too!. Cripes. Can you not hear yourselves? Each of you should present your case in one place, perhaps just settle it? Life's too short for this. I recommend the ring, linked above. Settle it please? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Read below and my reply at EVula's talk. Yet another location cannot help resolve this. He announces he will continue to remove each and every single RfA comment by me and others if and when it relates to Kurt Weber's position. This problem is not mine. It's a problem Wikipedia has with Balloonman. I'm just pointing it out. Dorftrottel (canvass) 19:39, April 14, 2008
I've read your replies. "Yet another location" is an unfair assessment of trying to centralize, de-dramatize, and eventually end, this dispute between two good editors. Take me up on it. Go first. Copy paste your post to SunCreator even with diffs, whatever. (But stop linking it elsewhere). I even formatted for "ease of use." Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Look, I appreciate your willingness to help us sort this out. But all I can do is post a diff to my below reply. If that makes you happy, I'll do it. Dorftrottel (troll) 19:44, April 14, 2008

I'm absolutely gleeful. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted my stab at dispute resolution subpage. This seems to have gone away on its own, for which I'm glad. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It has not gone away. That depends entirely on Balloonman's further behaviour and comments. Dorftrottel (criticise) 20:14, April 16, 2008
Ok, I'll clarify. Gone quiet. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

huh

"Balloonman does not allow me to freely participate Rfa's". Uhh, why not? SunCreator (talk) 18:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why. The interesting part is the how. He has used several very laden words against me, drawing from his phantasy and capability and willingess to assume equally good faith on all sides, alleging on my part nice things like
I haven't counted how often he has used words like "attack", "harassment", "disruption" and expressed his deep-seated assumption of bad faith with me, but it was enough times for me to get mildly pissed.
Very nice and coherent of him was also this strawman attempt:
In fact, none of his assumptions and allegations are even remotely true (not to mention ABF). As I have repeatedly told him, I do respect both Kurt Weber and his right to comment in RfAs the way he himself sees fit. The ridiculous joke is that Balloonman (and others) demand that Kurt's comments be accepted/tolerated but at the same time they're unwilling to so much as ignore my comments which are, even if at times quipping, always and only expressions of my judgement on the logical validity of Kurt Weber's oppose rationale. Since RfA is, ostensibly but not any longer, a discussion, I was caught under the wrong assumption that I may comment on other's comments. Obviously, that is not true. Balloonman has decided that I cannot freely put good-faith comments in RfAs. Dorftrottel (talk) 19:20, April 14, 2008

Smile

— E talk aussie has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

-) Mediawiki doesn't like smiley face's eyes at the start of a line... : Dorftrottel (complain) 05:58, April 16, 2008

'bout freaking time...

Normally, I wouldn't bother telling someone I've replied to their thread on my talk page.

But normally, that person doesn't have to wait for half a week, either. ;)

User talk:EVula#Finally responding. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You certainly took your sweet time! :-P Dorftrottel (complain) 05:58, April 16, 2008
My replies are like fine wine, they get better the longer they sit around doing absolutely nothing...
Okay, I swear I'm not going to post here every time I respond to the thread, but I'm responding to a bunch of different threads on my talk page (not to mention finally archiving the blasted thing), and wanted to make sure that my reply to you didn't get lost in the mix. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Didn't you used to be someone?"

-is likely one of the worst things you can say to someone who has seen any measure of fame. Am I correct in noting that you used to go by the name AldeBaer? I was updating the page for those Wikipedians I Respect, and the link for the other name brought me here. If so, howdy. If not, pardon my intrusion. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 05:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
you respect me? I'll have to double-check that, but my editorial self-esteem is currently so low that I may actually lose respect for someone who respects me... but yes, I'm that guy. Dorftrottel (complain) 05:58, April 16, 2008
Like I said where I noted you, if you can go from being an anon troll to a useful member of the community, there's hope for just about anyone. Chin up, li'; buckaroo. :) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 07:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just read that. Thanks for the nice words! Dorftrottel (canvass) 07:29, April 16, 2008

"possessed of often flawless logic"—:O dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 11:01, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HAHA! Wow, that's really spot-on, I'm afraid. Dorftrottel (ask) 17:21, April 16, 2008

And a sublime sense of modesty, as well, as evidenced from above. ;) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 18:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's my classical strength. Dorftrottel (canvass) 18:51, April 16, 2008
Clearly. :D - Arcayne (cast a spell) 22:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Project guidelines

Hello, Dorftrottel. You have new messages at SandyGeorgia's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

No idea what you did, looks the same to me, certain I don't want to know (ignorance is bliss) ... but, thanks ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm giving you my last cookie as a trade for your userpage coding. Enjoy! Its chocolate! ← κεηηε∂γ (talk) (secret)

Whoops! i broke your page! ← κεηηε∂γ (talk) (secret) 09:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the cookie. And don't worry, it's just that the image allows the text to float around it, and the light-colour foreground box extends only to where there is text. <div style="clear:both;"></div> or {{clear}} right below the text fixes that. Dorftrottel (talk) 13:23, April 17, 2008

Chickenpox (disambiguation)

Maybe just being silly but, does this page need to exist? If there are only two articles wouldn't a note at the top of the more notable subject be more appropriate? Jasynnash2 (talk) 13:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note with respect to Bedeutung. When I deleted this page, it had no content other than a note that it was a "placeholder"; I note that content has been created under that title and, although I haven't examined it in detail, it certainly doesn't qualify for speedy deletion due to lack of content. I hope you will agree that we can't leave "placeholder" pages lying around on the off chance that someone might add useful content to them. If you have any further questions or problems, I'm at your service. Accounting4Taste:talk 14:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Look again, the page has been recreated. G11/G12 rolled into one. Dorftrottel (warn) 14:10, April 18, 2008
Thanks for your further note. I have to admit, it might be seen as "bite"-y to delete it so quickly -- I don't usually take much note of how long the page has been in existence before deleting it if it clearly fits a speedy category. This is something I'll pay more attention to in the future, and thanks for bringing it to my attention. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're very welcome. Dorftrottel (ask) 16:13, April 18, 2008

RfA (hopefully not spam!)

I'm not sure if you are watching my user page or not, so i'm replying here, sorry if this does constitute spam. I think it's a shame to find some users are against self-nominations, considering it shows confidence and determination. In future, I probably will try and get a nomination from someone else (most likely whomever admin coaches me) and possibly try to get a co-nomination ;) I'll also remember not to reply to every comment added, but I'll make it my business to answer all questions. Thanks again for your moral support, if you were watching my user talk page, feel free to reply on there stating so in order avoid this confusion again ;) Kind regards, CycloneNimrodtalk? 15:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First off: Personal messages like yours are never spam. "RfA spam" means generic mass messages, often not even including the proper addressee username but instead the {{BASEPAGENAME}} magic word. It was a custom for successful RfA candidates for a while and became annoying imho. As far as self-noms go: Echo that. In fact, if I were hell-bent on making a point, I'd could go right ahead and oppose all peer-noms as demonstrating a lack of confidence and determination, both of which are among the most direly needed qualities in new admins. Wrt answering all the questions: Definitely. I believe there is some notion finally going around that making the candidates answer 20+ "optional" questions (they are de facto mandatory, as not answering them will always draw some opposes) is not useful. At any rate, I trust you're aware that editing, not becoming an admin should be your primary concern, paradoxically (or not; depends on how you look at it) precisely if you're interested in helping Wikipedia out with the admin tools at some point. Best, Dorftrottel (ask) 15:24, April 18, 2008
Well I'm glad we have the same opinions on all of this, makes it far easier to get along. I'll use you're advice in my next RfA, undoubtedly, since you've seen a lot more than I have. RE: the editing, not admin tools, i'd agree. That's why I stated on my RfA that my main concern even after obtaining such tools, would be to continue editing in my usual areas. The tools simply serve as an extra to make things easier and to help things go smoother both for me and for the rest of the community. Regards, CycloneNimrodtalk? 15:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

Sorry bout that, I will stop --Sean (talk) 13:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Am I allowed to welcome new users? --SeAnDuDeYaYdUdEsEaN (talk) 15:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why yes, of course. Dorftrottel (warn) 15:31, April 20, 2008

Thanks for the help on my Secret Page!

Yo, $.R.$. here!

Thanks for getting that nonsense thing off of my secret page! But, I think I'll be taking off all links to it. But I'll have a link to the challenge on my new signature. Hopefully iMatthew can make it or at least tell me how to make it!

Peace Out! :-)

The $R$ (as seen in SuperCheats.com) (talk) 19:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

great layout tweaks

over at WP:NTWW! - love it.... The top text could well be re-written pretty soon, because the whole thing is chugging along very happily now - so I might take a look at that... otherwise, the one small question I've got is in the list of all episodes - whether or not there's a way to persuade no.10 to appear after no.9 and not no.1? I figure you might know?! - cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 02:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not the wikipedia weekly pages

Why did you tag them for deletion? I'm assuming it's because of the title change, but there are still incoming links to at least the latest one (per what links here, although it could be lagging), so those should be cleaned before deletion. - Bobet 02:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I assumed that was some sort of lag in the system. At any rate, I've updated all the links, including the one in {{NTWW-subscription}}, so everything should be fine. Dorftrottel (ask) 03:00, April 22, 2008
All gone now, I looked at the pages from whatlinkshere and all of them were pointing to the template, so it should be ok. - Bobet 03:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why are these pages being deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.88.85.121 (talk) 16:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fiction & Notability

Please have a look at Wikipedia talk:Notability (fiction)/RFC1 as your input would be most welcome and would encourage other editors to contribute to the debate, which will remain open until the end of the month.--Gavin Collins (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Email

Dear Dorftrottel, I am sending you an email message. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 22:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Message sent. :) Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 22:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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