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== June 30 ==
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==== RD: Simone Veil ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Simone Veil
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Pruneau <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Former [[President of the European Parliament]] and a major French political figure. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Pruneau|Pruneau]]<sup>[[User talk:Pruneau|talk]]</sup> 20:03, 1 July 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Strong Support''' Definitely notable for her role in legalizing abortion (no matter how one feels about it), and the article looks referenced and balanced.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 13:02, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' It would be nice to source the section "Doctorats honoris causa" before posting but I think that's far less controversial than other points. Rest looks fair. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:16, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
*There's a smattering of unreferenced statements, and many unreferenced awards. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:21, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' too much of it unreferenced. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:09, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Barry Norman ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Barry Norman
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40468411 BBC]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Thryduulf <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = British film critic and TV presenter. Article is slightly thin at the moment (but not unpostably so imo) and not completely sourced at the moment but it's being worked on. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 11:29, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
| sign          = [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 11:29, 1 July 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support'''. Very notable film critic and TV personality for many years. Sources should be very easy to find, especially given his links with ''[[The Guardian]]''. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:41, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' at the moment, content is being added faster than it can be sourced so there are at least a couple of citation needed tags and other unsourced sections. It'll might need to wait until the initial flurry has settled down before this is ready. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 12:27, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Just finished cited everything. Should be up to speed now. [[User:Miyagawa|Miyagawa]] ([[User talk:Miyagawa|talk]]) 13:02, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
::Well done, [[User:Miyagawa|Miyagawa]]. Many thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:35, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Sad news. However, good work on the article makes this an easy RD to support. Given apparent consensus, I will '''mark ready'''. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 14:43, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' good to go. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:22, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''  And why not? --[[User:Bcp67|Bcp67]] ([[User talk:Bcp67|talk]]) 20:48, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] Same-sex marriage in Germany ====
{{Archive top|Consensus will not develop for posting the Nth country to legalise same-sex marriage, regardless of the historical backdrop. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:18, 2 July 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Recognition of same-sex unions in Germany
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The [[Bundestag]] votes to '''[[Recognition of same-sex unions in Germany|legalize same-sex marriage in Germany]]'''
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = The [[Bundestag]] votes to '''[[Recognition of same-sex unions in Germany|legalize same-sex marriage in Germany]]''' and passes '''[[Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz|a law that requires Internet companies to censor "hate speech" online]]'''
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = Same-sex marriage / [[LGBT adoption]]-rights: [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/world/europe/germany-gay-marriage.html]; censorship-law: [https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/30/germany-approves-plans-to-fine-social-media-firms-up-to-50m], [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/business/germany-facebook-google-twitter.html], [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-hatecrime-idUSKBN19L0WZ]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Vanamonde93 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Jono52795
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Seems like a big deal, does it not? 
| sign          = [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 07:55, 30 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* '''Support''' Indeed it is a big deal furthermore article is well sourced and well updated reflecting the event. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 08:02, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Yes it does, particularly given how sudden it was. [[User:Jono52795|Jono52795]] ([[User talk:Jono52795|talk]]) 08:03, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Some might say this is something for de-wiki, but I believe it's important enough for en-wiki as well. Germany is the largest country in the EU (in population) and changes here oftentimes mean that other countries will follow. Same-sex marriage is legal in a couple of countries of the EU but Germany was for a long time opposed to it, so this change - which Mrs. Merkel probably did not realize would happen so quickly - is quite significant. Regards '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="color: #7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="color: #474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</span>]]''' 08:04, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' Concur with the above. Mentioned in [[Portal:Current events/2017 June 30]]. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Sandstein&nbsp;'''</span>]]</span></small> 09:05, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Same-sex marriage in Western Europe is nothing new, given that almost every country in that region already allows it to some degree. And emphasizing just one country is undue and biased, as this becomes somewhat common in some other countries. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   09:48, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' well done for catching up, but not really significant news.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:42, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''.  Not new to Western Europe or the West in general. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:43, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' As the largest country in the EU, I'm inclined to support this, but at the same time Germany is not even the 12th EU country to legalize this, and is not even in the same decade as the first instance of it. The article even makes it clear that this result was expected, and Germany is moving from a position that is "marriage" in all but name. The article has inline tags which should be sorted before posting.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.163.160|128.214.163.160]] ([[User talk:128.214.163.160|talk]]) 10:55, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This feels like one of those "hey guys! We forgot to repeal this stupid law a decade ago" sort of deals. Call me when it's the UAE.[[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 12:23, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait'''.  While everyone expects this will be approved, the legislation still has to be endorsed by the [[Bundesrat]] and signed by the President.  Even if there are no objections, that process won't be completed for at least a week.  Better to post when the legislation is actually enacted rather than when only one part of government has endorsed it.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 12:31, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*:It was a proposal from the Bundesrat, so there is no need for it to endorse it again (and thus is unlikely to happen based on Art. 77, 78 [[Grundgesetz]]). The signing is a formality, considering that the President has no real power to reject such laws (and considering he is a member of the SPD and thus presumably supports the law anyway). Regards '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="color: #7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="color: #474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</span>]]''' 12:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*::Our article says: "The bill is now pending before the Bundesrat, which is expected to vote on 7 July, after which it must be signed into law by the President."  Is that incorrect?  If they have to "vote" and "sign", then it would seem in principle they could choose not to do so, right?  I agree that acceptance in this case seems assured, but I am still skeptical of posting any legislative changes before all the i's are dotted and t's crossed.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 12:46, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' we didn't post the legalisation of same-sex marriage in 2013 in [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/April_2013#Same_sex_marriage_in_France|France]] ([[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2013#Marriage_extended_to_same-sex_couples_in_France|either nomination]]) or [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2013#.5BClosed.5D_Same-sex_marriage_.28United_Kingdom.29|in the UK]], so I'm not sure why Germany is a different category. As noted above, this is no longer a particularly big deal in Europe. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 12:45, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Bencherlite, who sums it up nicely. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:23, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -  Major international coverage [http://www.haaretz.co.il/news/world/europe/1.4214752][https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/30/germany-poised-legalise-same-sex-marriage-bill-law][http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2017/06/30/allemagne-le-parlement-autorise-le-mariage-homosexuel_5153475_3214.html][http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mundo/2017/06/1897322-parlamento-da-alemanha-legaliza-o-casamento-homoafetivo.shtml][http://www.excelsior.com.mx/global/2017/06/30/1172867] '''''[[User_talk:Rami R|<span style="color:black;">Rami</span>]] [[User:Rami R|<span style="color:red;">R</span>]]''''' 13:31, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' both on the fact it is too early (not yet official), that it was was expected to happen, and that Germany is far from the first country in this region to do so.  --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – Worth a blurb because it was sudden, having come less than a week after Merkel said, seemingly offhandedly, that it was time for a vote of conscience on the matter; politically interesting, in that she personally voted against it; and significant, as affecting the most populous country in Europe. <small>(Seems she recognized it was inevitable and did some fancy footwork to deal quickly with a potentially divisive topic.)</small> Plus, global coverage.  [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:22, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per Bencherlite mostly. [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 14:59, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Per Sca. [[User:Funcrunch|Funcrunch]] ([[User talk:Funcrunch|talk]]) 15:34, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''There's standing consensus that this sort of thing has become too common to be news, and Germany is a rather liberal Western Democracy.  Had they voted it down that would have been more notable, but still not postworthy. [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 18:57, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I think we pretty much stopped posting the endless succession of governments legalizing SSM. This particular culture-war battle is over in the West and has been for a couple of years now. If Russia or Saudi Arabia go there then I will reconsider. Otherwise this is just more of the same. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 19:04, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Weak oppose''' for the blurb as it stands: not notable global news but national news. However on that same day another law called the "[[Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz]]" ("network enforcement law") has been passed as well. That latter law is at least as important as that same-sex marriage law and got extensive press coverage as well. Furthermore that latter law also affects multinational companies and content on the global Internet. '''Weak support''' if the blurb informs about both laws. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Bencherlite and Ad Orientem. An EU country legalising same sex marriage is now firmly the category of things expected to happen at sooner or later. Very welcome news for those who want to get married in Germany, but no longer significant on a global scale. [[Same-sex marriage#Opinion polling]] has a table that includes the percentage support for same-sex marriage in the most recent poll - if it is legalised in a country with significantly less than 50% support in a recent poll or it's the first country in a geopolitical region then it's worth a nomination imo, otherwise it's not imho. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 22:13, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' for blurb, not altblurb. Big news for German residents and citizens. Also historically notable given [[Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany and the Holocaust|Germany's homophobic past]].[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 23:54, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
::[[Godwin's Law|I suppose this was inevitable]]. However, Germany has done plenty to atone for the Holocaust, and it is no longer news that the government welcomes the Roma people or the Jews. Moreover, they are far from the only nation with a dodgy record on gay rights... [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 18:50, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - brilliant news for progressives like myself, but no longer worthy of ITN. EU nations legalising gay marriage is now an inevitability, and this was a routine amendment (no referendum involved). Therefore I will oppose, and will especially oppose the alt blurb, which is long-winded and disingenuous in terms of links. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 14:33, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Lots of nations have legalized same sex marriage. [[User:A Quest For Knowledge|A Quest For Knowledge]] ([[User talk:A Quest For Knowledge|talk]]) 12:15, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
::Not all nations made gays wear pink triangles less than a century ago though. Nobody seems to be paying attention to the historical context here--sad![[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 12:46, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
:::What a ridiculous argument.  How many countries allowed gay marriage 70 years ago?  Look at what Alan Turing and Oscar Wilde were put through.  This is not the place to [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS]] in either a pro-gay or anti-German animus. [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 16:58, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Suggest close''' Clearly there is no consensus to post this and given the level of participation it would require an avalanche of support votes to change that reality. I suggest this discussion be closed accordingly. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 18:25, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
::I would second this. This dispute seems irreconcilable at this point in time, so further discussion will get us nowhere. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 18:45, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
*:What's the rush? It's not as if a newer blurb has been posted (or even suggested). '''''[[User_talk:Rami R|<span style="color:black;">Rami</span>]] [[User:Rami R|<span style="color:red;">R</span>]]''''' 18:42, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
*::The second story is really not the same as the first.  Perhaps it can be proposed on its own.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:48, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
*:::No one is rushing here. The nomination has been open for two days and has received a very good level of participation. Between that and the vote split there is no realistic possibility of gaining a consensus to post this. The real question is, why keep a discussion open where the outcome is not in doubt? -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 19:09, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::''Leider stimmt das.'' [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 21:06, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
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====[Closed] GST India Launch====
{{archive top|1=Strong consensus against posting this. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:22, 1 July 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Goods_and_Services_Tax_(India)
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[India]] launches '''[[Goods_and_Services_Tax_(India)|Goods and Services Tax]]''' 
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- A first alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.ft.com/content/a7fa24b6-570b-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f Financial Times], [https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2017/06/27/business/27reuters-india-tax-factbox.html NYTimes], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/indias-shopkeepers-scramble-before-tax-changes-take-effect/2017/06/20/f49fe28e-561f-11e7-840b-512026319da7_story.html Washington Post], [https://www.forbes.com/sites/sindhujabalaji/2017/06/28/india-gst-goods-services-tax-what-you-need-to-know/#36ca56ad4a8f Forbes]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = theTigerKing <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = The indirect tax reform will create the largest single market in the world (bigger than EU and USA combined). It has been in news for quite a long time in major publications from across the world. It will be launched formally from the Indian parliament on the midnight of 1 July 2017.
| sign          =  <span style="background:#F59801; padding:2px;"><span style="color:white;">Regards, </span></span><span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:vaibhavgupta1989|<span style="color:white;">theTigerKing</span>]]&nbsp;'''</span> 04:05, 30 June 2017 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support''' when tags are removed from article - [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 07:27, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I'm doubtful of the significance of this; but even if that were not an issue, article is a total disaster at the moment. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 07:57, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on impact. The rationale offered in the nomination ("will create the largest single market in the world") cannot be found in the article. Indeed, markets are usually measured in product, and the entire Indian market is 1/9th to 1/8th the size of either the US or EU. The article gives the impression that this is a routine restructuring of taxes and authority is highly decentralized and differential - not things I associate with a "singular market". Many countries routinely restructure their tax regimes. Something more must be provided, or the article must make the case more clearly, before readers can appreciate the impact of this.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.163.160|128.214.163.160]] ([[User talk:128.214.163.160|talk]]) 09:00, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Can someone here make the case for significance without running up against [[WP:CBALL|CBALL]]? [[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 12:26, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' So India's making a large scale change to its taxation laws to unify several existing taxes. I'm not seeing a major relevancy of this (yes, India's the second largest populous market and technically making this the largest unified tax code but it also is strictly limited to India. It would be different if it were a EU-type group for all SE Asian countries or the like adopting a common tax scheme.) --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:38, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose for now'''. Unreferenced content.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 13:12, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' - Lack of international impact, lack of international media attention and a poor article with multiple orange tags mean that this item is stifled from main page inclusion in my opinion. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 14:45, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
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== June 29 ==
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==== [Closed] UN peacekeeping cuts ====
{{archive-top|Uniform consensus against posting. Re-open if reworded to focus on troop withdrawal per discussion below. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 22:56, 3 July 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = United Nations peacekeeping#Financing
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The United States pressures the [[United Nations]] to cut $600 million in '''[[United Nations peacekeeping#Financing|funding for UN peacekeeping operations]]'''
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = The United States pressures the [[United Nations]] to '''[[United Nations peacekeeping#Financing|severe cuts of its peacekeeping operations]]'''
| altblurb2     = The [[United Nations]] cuts its '''[[United Nations peacekeeping#Financing|peacekeeping budget]]''' by $600m due to United States pressure
| altblurb3     = The [[United Nations]] cuts its '''[[United Nations peacekeeping#Financing|peacekeeping budget]]''' by $600m due to United States pressure and announces an end to [[United Nations Operation in Côte d'Ivoire|its peacekeeping operation in Ivory Coast]] and a reduction of [[United Nations–African Union Mission in Darfur|its peacekeepers in Darfur, Sudan]]
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFKBN19K0QS-OZATP], [http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/haley-on-un-cuts/index.html] / [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ivorycoast-un-peacekeepers-idUSKBN19L1VK], [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/world/africa/united-nations-security-council-sudan-darfur.html]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fixuture <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Notable, global news. It got extensive press coverage around the world, article has been updated and is in a proper state and I don't see any reason for why this shouldn't be featured ITN. It's incredibly significant as many will die or suffer due to these cuts instead of funding-increases in the short term; not even to speak of any long-term consequences.
| sign          = [[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 15:16, 1 July 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' - this is a notable global event. However, closer observation shows that all of these cuts amount to [[Nikki Haley]] simply stating the new US budget and its ramifications on the UN. We would not post cuts made by the US government to domestic or foreign policy, <small>(much less a relatively small amount)</small>, and procedurally, that is what this news item amounts to. To assume long-term consequences like deaths is [[WP:CRYSTAL]] (not to detract from the work of the peacekeepers), but the localised nature of these cuts mean that it is not suited to ITN. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 17:54, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
::{{Gt|closer observation shows that all of these cuts amount to Nikki Haley simply stating the new US budget and its ramifications on the UN}}
::I'm not entirely sure what you mean. The cuts themselves are of significance and not who stated anything about them.
::{{Gt|We would not post cuts made by the US government to domestic or foreign policy, <small>(much less a relatively small amount)</small>, and procedurally, that is what this news item amounts to.}}
::These are cuts to funding of UN peacekeeping activities and not cuts made to domestic programs. This is (part of) why they're so significant. It's not a small amount and in addition that amount has drastic consequences.
::{{Gt|To assume long-term consequences like deaths is WP:CRYSTAL}}
::WP:CRYSTAL is about contents not the process of evaluation of significance on ITN.
::{{Gt|the localised nature of these cuts mean that it is not suited to ITN}}
::They are not of "localised nature" but of global nature.
::--[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 20:29, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Fixuture}} - I think that you misinterpreted me. I mean that all of these budgets cuts are originated from the USA, and cuts in their budget, rather than a change to UN policy. This puts these cuts on a plane with alterations to US military spending (which also would be of international significance and could result in lost lives). They are localised in that it is only the United States who are implementing these cuts currently. We would not post anything about conventional budget cuts in the USA, even those which are much larger in scale that millions of dollars, so I feel that this should not be posted as, in essence, this is what it boils down to. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 12:07, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' simply because nothing has actually happened yet.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 23:27, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
::False. What happened is a deal that reduced the budget by $600m. <small>Note: I just added altblurb 3 which I'd prefer</small> --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 23:38, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
:::'''Very strong oppose to altblurb III'''. This is an ITN blurb, not a featured article. The blurb is way, ''way'' too long for inclusion on the main page. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 22:12, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' They have reduced their peacekeeping budget but they still keep the mission. Nothing has changed for the most part. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 22:16, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Budgetary action by bureaucratic organization.  I think a blurb focusing on the actual withdrawal of troops would stand a better chance.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.207|128.214.69.207]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.207|talk]]) 06:46, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' with some reluctance. If Google's EUR 2.4 billion fine is not worth posting a US$ 600 million reduction isn't worth posting either. A blurb focusing on the actual ending of the peacekeeping operation is more feasible, per IP. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 07:40, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] RD: Louis Nicollin ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Louis Nicollin
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.goal.com/en/news/1722/ligue-1/2017/06/29/36724272/montpellier-president-louis-nicollin-dies Goal]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = TDKR Chicago 101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Article has been updated and sourced
| sign          = --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 07:49, 30 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support'''. No problem here. Everything is referenced.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 13:13, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' not the best article in the world, but it's a brief coverage of this BLP and is properly sourced.  Good to go. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:24, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:37, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Cardinal Pell Charges ====
{{archive-top|Speedy-closing as nominator. Don't post charges on ITN - message received. Apologies, and thanks for rapid clarification. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 20:25, 29 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = George Pell<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = Cardinal_George_Pell.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Cardinal '''[[George Pell]]''' of the [[Catholic Church]] is charged in Australia on [[sexual assault]] charges.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40441711 BBC] [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/world/europe/cardinal-pell-charges-australia.html New York Times] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Stormy clouds <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = I would be apprehensive about this one, and would be tempted to hold until a conviction if/when that occurs. However, this is all over the global news, and such an action could take years. He is third in the Vatican hierarchy, so this has massive, long-lasting repercussions globally, and an ITN placement will facilitate readers in finding the articles they are looking for (one of our mission statements), so I would recommend a blurb at this point. If this nomination goes against procedure vis-á-vis [[WP:BLP]], speedy-close at will.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 20:08, 29 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Strong Oppose''' good faith nomination. There is a longstanding and very strong consensus that we do not post charges at ITN. Convictions of notable persons are sometimes posted, Those nominations are handled on a case by case basis. I am open to a '''speedy close'''. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 20:20, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' a significant story but let us wait until it says "is convicted of".  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

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====[Posted] 2017 Caracas helicopter incident ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Caracas helicopter incident
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = A [[2017 Caracas helicopter incident|police helicopter attacks]] the [[Supreme Tribunal of Justice (Venezuela)|Supreme Court]] and the [[Ministry of Interior, Justice and Peace|Interior Ministry]] of Venezuela.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-40426642 BBC News], [http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/27/americas/venezuela-supreme-court-helicopter-grenade-attack/index.html CNN], [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/world/americas/venezuela-supreme-court-helicopter.html New York Times]
| updated       = Yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Classicwiki <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = ZiaLater
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = A strange event in what one side is calling a coup attempt/terrorist attack and others are calling a staged operation. I thought {{ping|ZiaLater}} did a great job of cleaning up the article. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Classicwiki|Classicwiki]] ([[User talk:Classicwiki|talk]]) (ping me) 19:05, 29 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''support''' - Definitely a strange event. Article is good for ITN. [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 21:00, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait/leaning Oppose'''. Although the article on its own is passable, it and the blurb do not put this incident in perspective, hence making me doubt that this is ITN-worthy at this moment. It's certainly a rather spectacular way to stage a coup or whatever that was, but without clearer indications on where this stands in the broader situation in Venezuela, I wouldn't put it up. [[User:MikeLynch|MikeLynch]] ([[User talk:MikeLynch|talk]]) 21:09, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - This weird situation shows how the events in Venezuela are inching closer towards violence. These actions performed by the assailants (could be government or anti-government) only shows the risks that parties are willing to take in the crisis.--[[User:ZiaLater|<span style="text-shadow:#C0C0C0 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><span style="color: ForestGreen">''ZiaLater''</span></span>]] ([[User talk:ZiaLater|<span style="color: ForestGreen">talk</span></span>]]) 07:51, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article in good shape, describes a frankly bizarre incident and links into a current and very newsworthy larger subject (and what I read of the 2017 Ven. Const. Crisis article was likewise well written and sourced). Aside, it is really weird the number of Lebanese immigrants in Venezuela. I would not have expected that.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.163.160|128.214.163.160]] ([[User talk:128.214.163.160|talk]]) 09:11, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support, with alt blurb''' The word commandeered discounts the very strong likelihood of a false flag attack (speculated in the article). [[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 12:30, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
::I agree with [[User:GreatCaesarsGhost]]. Keep it short and neutral. "A [[2017 Caracas helicopter incident|police helicopter attacks]] the [[Supreme Tribunal of Justice (Venezuela)|Supreme Court]] and the [[Ministry of Interior, Justice and Peace|Interior Ministry]] of Venezuela". That way the reader can go to the article and decide for themselves what happened.--[[User:ZiaLater|<span style="text-shadow:#C0C0C0 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><span style="color: ForestGreen">''ZiaLater''</span></span>]] ([[User talk:ZiaLater|<span style="color: ForestGreen">talk</span></span>]]) 20:09, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Sounds good to me. [[User:Classicwiki|Classicwiki]] ([[User talk:Classicwiki|talk]]) (ping me) 21:27, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 02:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
* {{re|BorgQueen}} So I think this is an interesting story, and it is In The News - however this blurb sounds like it belongs in a tabloid.  Helicopters don't 'attack' anymore than other pieces of equipment do; also they didn't attack "the court" they may have attack a court house, or some people - also the article says the [[Supreme Tribunal of Justice (Venezuela)]] replaced the "supreme court" in 1999, meaning such an institution doesn't even exist.  Please revisit this blurb. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 03:14, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
*: This was adjusted by [[User:Stephen|Stephen]], thank you Stephen. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 12:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

==== RD: Dave Semenko ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Dave_Semenko
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2017/06/29/former-nhl-tough-guy-dave-semenko-dead-at-59.html Toronto Star]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Floydian <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Two time Stanley Cup winner with the Edmonton Oilers. Article needs a few refs but could be easily brought up to par.
| sign          = '''[[User:Floydian|<span style="color:#5A5AC5;">Floydian</span>]]'''&nbsp;[[User_talk:Floydian|<sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢</sub>]] 16:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose'''. Almost none of the prose (of which there needs to be more) is sourced, and of the rest only his nicknames are. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 19:08, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
**I've added refs to the prose and expanded it with sections and a lede. I'll leave the stats and trades to someone more familiar with NHL articles. - '''[[User:Floydian|<span style="color:#5A5AC5;">Floydian</span>]]'''&nbsp;[[User_talk:Floydian|<sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢</sub>]] 01:28, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
***The prose is better and sourced, but the statistics remains entirely unsourced, the transactions are unintegreated and unsourced and in the awards section only the nicknames are sourced. Still well short of the quality required for the main page. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:40, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
*The transactions should be integrated into the prose, not its own bulleted unsourced section. Then I'll support. If I have time, I'll look for the refs and migrate the info myself. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 02:53, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Michael Bond ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Michael Bond
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40432946 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Thryduulf <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Creator of [[Paddington Bear]]. Article is comprehensive and almost entirely referenced (I'm about to see if I can make that completely referenced).
| sign          = [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 12:12, 28 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''', article looks sufficient for our purposes. It would be nice to get a proper lead (of more than two sentences) and a source for the bibliography, but I don't think we need to hold it up for those. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:58, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''', the lead-in could definitely use some work, but it would be an easy fix. Much of the article is well sourced, seems okay to me. --[[User:Dellavien|Dellavien]] ([[User talk:Dellavien|talk]]) 14:09, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I've lengthened the lead a little. Can do with more about Paddington being hugely loved or something. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) <small>Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]]</small> 14:45, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*NB ITN tends to insist that lists of television/film appearances for actors (or television/film credits for directors) are properly sourced before posting. Here the entries on the lists of his books are nearly all unsourced, and ITN ought to be consistent on this sort of thing. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 17:03, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Bencherlite.  How does our reader verify all these works?  ISBNs will do the trick, should only take half an hour for someone without screaming kids.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:47, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' decent article. '''[[User:Aiken drum|Aiken D]]''' 19:01, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*{{replyto|Bencherlite|The Rambling Man}} all bibliography entries now have ISBNs at least. Formatting of the list might be improvable but I've run out of time for now. Marking ready as I can't see anything else that should get in the way. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 22:31, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' excellent work. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 22:35, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Anthony Young ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Anthony Young (baseball)
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://nypost.com/2017/06/27/beloved-ex-met-anthony-young-loses-battle-with-brain-cancer/ NY Post]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 00:45, 28 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' article is short but sufficient.--[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 05:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' article is barely start class (we used to require B-class) but what's there is alright. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:12, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
**I'm expanding it some today. Yesterday I just focused on making sure everything there was sourced. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*I'm marking it ready. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:20, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:51, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Posted] 2nd Ransomware attack / Ukraine cyber attack ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Petya (malware)
| article2      = 2017 cyberattacks on Ukraine
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = A second '''[[Petya (malware)|large scale cyber attack]]''' in as many months involving [[ransomware]] causes severe disruptions around the world.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = A large scale [[ransomware]] attack using '''[[Petya (malware)|Petya]]''' causes severe disruptions around the world.
| altblurb2     = A '''[[2017 cyberattacks on Ukraine|cyberattack on Ukraine computer systems]]''' spreads the [[ransomware]] '''[[Petya (malware)|Petya]]''' around the world and causes severe disruptions.
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cyber-attack-idUSKBN19I1TD Reuters], [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/28/world/europe/ukraine-ransomware-cyberbomb-accountants-russia.html]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Masem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = This is a different crisis compared to the Wannycry attack from May [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2017#.5BPosted.5D_Ransomware_Infection which we posted], but having similar scale and effects. (There's suggestions underlying Wannacry code may be involved but it's a different vector).
| sign          = [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 22:52, 27 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' since wide coverage and it brought down some government operations. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 02:16, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' article in good shape. [[User:Brian Everlasting|Brian Everlasting]] ([[User talk:Brian Everlasting|talk]]) 03:46, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' weak coverage in the article, we are getting to the point where we should only post these kind of attacks if they are truly significant, which this was not. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:09, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*:Among those affected was [[Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant|Chernobyl plant's]] radiation monitoring system, which was switched to manual mode: [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/chernobyl-ukraine-petya-cyber-attack-hack-nuclear-power-plant-danger-latest-a7810941.html]. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   10:00, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*::Sure it is a dangerous site, but Chernobyl has been shut down for decades.  I don't see how a temporary loss of automated monitoring is all that significant.  Interfering with operations at an active power plant would be rather more significant.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 18:18, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*:::Quite, that's a great headline grabber, but it's not suddenly going to go into (another) meltdown, we know that.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:48, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The article could use a bit more details (especially when compared to the [[WannaCry]] article). I'm willing to change my position to support if/when it's done. The attack itself does look significant to me since it has spread to multiple continents now and has hit some government facilities. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 07:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' while I agree with TRM that these events get less newsworthy over time, I think that this article is still the right side of the line for ITN and is in a sufficiently decent condition. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 09:11, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> per TRM. "the quality of the updated content" and "the significance of the developments" are both meh. [[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 12:22, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
**I agree that the article could use some expansion. But according to [http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/28/534679950/petya-ransomware-hits-at-least-65-countries-microsoft-traces-it-to-tax-software this NPR article], Petya has hit at least 65 countries by now. Among the victims well-known global companies. Isn't it significant enough? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 13:54, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
***  ''Impacts'', sure, but I don't see "severe disruptions" in RS, including the one you cite. We have to be able to differentiate the "new normal" from exceptional cases. It's a GF nom, let everyone express their opinion and we'll play it as it lies.[[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 17:48, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
**** There's a new twist developing [http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/highly-virulent-strain-ransomware-cripples-networks-48317988] in that some security experts think this was purposely done against Ukraine on the anniversary of an assassination attempt and Ukraine's independence from USSR, meant to silence and or impact the local media there. Add that it's still spreading (affecting FedEx now...), as well as the possibility that it's also meant to wipe hard drives and not just encrypt them. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:28, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now.  Comparing this to [[WannaCry]], I don't yet see Petya having a similar range or impact.  (As represented by comparing the impacts described in each article.)  I don't think it yet reaches a level suitable to ITN.  That could change if the worm continues to spread, but I don't think we are there yet.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 18:46, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - I don't think it reaches the same criteria as the WannaCry attack. If this frequency of attack continues, however, I feel like an ongoing placement for an overall ''2017 ransomware attacks'' page. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 19:25, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Notable global news. It has an extensive press coverage. Also while such events may get a bit less newsworthy they're still more significant and newsworthy than most of the other content featured in ITN. Furthermore the level of press coverage suggests quite some newsworthiness. I don't see any reason to not include it. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 00:01, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - struggling with this one. I don't question that we need to give serious consideration to the impact of these infections and to represent on the main page in an appropriate way. What makes me cautious to support a particular one is that there is quite significant potential to post a lot of these, thus for me there does to some extent need to be a bias towards not posting unless it is proven that a particular infection is very clearly above and beyond. Ongoing seems a good solution in principle, but in practise once it becomes ongoing we may as well hardcode the relevant list into the template (with a function to update the year at the appropriate time), as I struggle to envisage circumstances under which ransomware goes quiet for a significant period of time. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 06:11, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
::I wouldn't consider the "potential for posting a lot of these" as a proper rationale for not posting. There also is the potential to post a lot about sport events which as of right now is getting done and such events are far less significant than events such as this one. Just because it's new doesn't mean we should block it out. Furthermore what separates them is the amount of press coverage and their impact - this one had a relatively high impact and press coverage. <small>I support a blurb but wouldn't oppose an Ongoing item if people support that over a blurb - however ''if'' we go for Ongoing we need to be faster with posting.</small> --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 11:30, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
::: On the contrary, it is a proper rationale, as a routine event is by definition not significant. A small selection of sporting events are posted as they distinguish themselves from other events in the same sport. Take for example, the college football playoff, which gets exponentially more media coverage and is of greater concern to more people than most ITN items. The consensus has decided that it does not warrant inclusion as it is an amateur-level event for which the more noteworthy professional event is posted.[[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 12:02, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: It's not a "routine event". --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 13:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
::::: That's debatable and precisely the question on the table. But you said the "potential for posting a lot of these" is not a valid rationale. It clearly is valid as reoccurrence of similar events is not noteworthy. If you meant this is CBALL, I disagree as we can apply a common sense extrapolation that these events are more likely to continue rather than cease.  [[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 15:52, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' press is now reporting this malware was part of the [[2017 cyberattacks on Ukraine]]. --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 12:58, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
** I've updated the blurb to show that the cyberattack is likely a core article that needs to be updated, plus a new article from the NYTimes. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> From what I've seen, this doesn't seem to be on the same scale as the WannaCry attack.  According to the article, it seems to mainly be affecting Ukraine, whereas WannaCry affected everyone who hadn't updated their PCs for the last few months. <b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">—</span></b> [[User:Gestrid|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:maroon">Gestrid</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Gestrid#top|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">talk</span></b>]]) 18:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
** It hit Ukraine because one vector appeared to be through a mandatory accounting software package by Ukraine law, but anyone that has significant business offices in the Ukraine has also been affected. Last I saw, while 80% of it was Ukraine, 20% of the reports were outside of it. Plus all signs point to this as a cyberattack designed to take down a country-level government. That itself is news. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 19:08, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
** Furthermore I don't think cyberattacks need to be on the scale of WannaCry to get featured. And while it doesn't seem to have affected many private individuals it was still quite disruptive: please take a look at the list of major businesses and infrastructure affected (worldwide and in the Ukraine). Also the level of press coverage was and ''still'' is high which is more than a hint for significance and notability. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 21:05, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' While I stand by what I said above, and I don't believe we should play into the attacker's hands by helping hype this up (which [https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/06/petya-outbreak-was-a-chaos-sowing-wiper-not-profit-seeking-ransomware/ seems to be at least one of their intentions]), I do see the significance of the attack, per the comments made below my original comment above. <b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">—</span></b> [[User:Gestrid|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:maroon">Gestrid</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Gestrid#top|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">talk</span></b>]]) 23:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Now I see the article is more detailed. I think it's good to go. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 07:41, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support for Alt2''' I stand by previous, but based on new work and Alt2 reframing the issue, I'm withdrawing opposition.  [[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 12:40, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' an edited version of alt II. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 23:44, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Michael Nyqvist====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Michael Nyqvist
| recent deaths = yes 
| sources       = [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-nyqvist-dead-girl-dragon-tattoo-actor-was-56-1017014]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = BabbaQ <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = 
| ITNR          = no 
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = --[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 20:27, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose''': Plenty of unsourced sections in the article. - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 04:12, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' far too many unreferenced claims in this BLP for main page. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' First three paras of Career have no references at all, same for all of Filmography and Awards.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.166|128.214.69.166]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.166|talk]]) 09:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*ping-[[User:Vivvt]], [[User:The Rambling Man]], [[User:128.214.69.166]], I have added sources to all sections of the article about Nyqvist so take a look. [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 14:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*I have also added Updated article to this nom. [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 14:55, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' nice work, much improved. --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 18:45, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' looks good now. Marking ready. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 19:04, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. There are some roles in the lead that aren't discussed in the body. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 23:16, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
::Fixed it.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 23:31, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''.[[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 23:33, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] Farc officially ceases to be an armed group ====
{{archive-top|Strong consensus against posting - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 18:35, 1 July 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = FARC
| article2      = Colombian peace process
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[FARC]]''' rebel group completed its [[Colombian peace process|disarmament process]], putting an end to half a century of [[Colombian conflict|Colombian conflict]]. 
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-40417207 (BBC)], [http://www.euronews.com/2017/06/27/goodbye-weapons-goodbye-war-welcome-peace-colombia-celebrates (Euronews)], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/27/colombia-farc-weapons-war-government (The Guardian)], [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/colombia-farc-rebels-complete-disarmament-170626232629067.html (Al Jazeera)]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Jenda H. <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Yes we already posted something related, but this is official end to American longest war.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Jenda H.|Jenda H.]] ([[User talk:Jenda H.|talk]]) 20:13, 27 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment (leaning to Oppose)''' – I think it is a premature to claim that the disarmament brings the Colombian conflict to an end. There is also no way of confirming that the weapons the FARC turned in to the government over the past year or so are the group's complete arsenal. Let's keep in mind this group is still quite active in the coca-producing regions of South America. There are also [http://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2017/05/04/disidencia-de-las-farc-secuestra-a-funcionario-de-la-onu-en-colombia/ a lot of FARC dissidents] across Colombia and its nearby countries, which makes this agreement very difficult. I'm open to discuss this, however, since most sources are claiming that the conflict is over (which I don't necessarily agree will happen overnight in practice). [[User:MX|MX]]<small> (</small><big>[[User talk:MX|<span style="color:darkred">'''✉'''</span>]]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/MX|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''✎'''</span>]]<small>)</small> 00:59, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' mainly because we've already posted something on this multiple times and there are plenty of new blurbs on ITN right now. Willing to change my mind, but will need some reasons for why this, too, is a milestone worth posting. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:58, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Uncertain''' given that the weapons, while having been collected and are being catalogued, haven't actually been removed yet. I wonder if the bigger milestone would be when they actually enter politics(as they are working towards) [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:45, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*An important milestone for FARC, but it's premature to say that the Colombian conflict is over when the ELN is still active (and indeed the BBC story says that there's a fear that the ELN will get hold of some of the remaining FARC weapons caches that have yet to be deactivated). Also, the FARC article is a sprawling mess that needs updating and improving (e.g. the "organization and structure" section is still written in places as if the armed struggle is ongoing). [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 09:19, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*<s>'''Support'''. We posted for the ETA disarmament in April, and FARC is of a similar scale. Ergo, I'll support, article quality assumed. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 19:27, 28 June 2017 (UTC)</s>
::No longer convinced of importance following recent news coverage, and article ameliorations have not materialised. Therefore, I'll switch to '''oppose'''. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 17:57, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' the horse died several months ago. [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 20:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on a combination of article quality and notability.  This particular junction seems to be an awfully flimsy one to hang a blurb around, considering the technical aspects of "disarmament" and where this fits in the larger scheme.  Impactful parts of this story have been posted in the recent past which did not have this problem (Nobel Peace Prize last year).  I also agree that the FARC article needs a line-by-line before it can go up.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.166|128.214.69.166]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.166|talk]]) 09:34, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
{{archive-bottom}}

==== [Closed] Google record EU fine ====
{{archive top|No consensus. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:10, 2 July 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Google<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Google]] receive a record fine of 2.42bn euros from the [[European Union]] for having "abused its power".
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = [[Google]] receive a record fine of 2.42bn euros from the [[European Union]] for  "promoting its own shopping comparison service at the top of search results"
| altblurb2     = The [[European Union]] orders [[Google]] to pay €2.42 billion for abuse of power.
| altblurb3     = The [[European Union]] fines [[Google]] with €2.42 billion for illegally promoting its own price comparison service in searches.
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40406542 BBC], [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/technology/eu-google-fine.html The New York Times], [https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/27/google-braces-for-record-breaking-1bn-fine-from-eu The Guardian], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/06/27/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-google-e-u-fine/ The Washington Post]
| updated       = no <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = 109.144.219.249 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no<!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/109.144.219.249|109.144.219.249]] ([[User talk:109.144.219.249|talk]]) 18:27, 27 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' owing to size but article needs updating. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 02:08, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': The article [[Google litigation]] should mention this case and be the bold link after updating it. Currently none of the articles is updated. - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 04:10, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:*But it's not litigation, it's a fine imposed by the [[European Commission]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 07:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' place the fine into context, approximately 10% of the net income for Google's parent company this year, so yes, it's big in absolute terms, but a bit like fining a footballer a month's wages.  Plus articles not in the right state. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:08, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
** That's confusing. €2.42 billion is big in ''absolute'' terms, 10% of (global?) net income is big in ''relative'' terms. It's big either way, no? And this is the second biggest Co in the world; compares to Ronaldo getting a month's wages docked. [[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 17:54, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
***I think you missed my point.  If anyone or anything is docked 10% of its annual income, it's annoying, it's damaging perhaps, but it's nothing more than a big telling off.  Google can sustain this kind of fine easily.  It will have no lasting impact.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
****<small>It may be [[Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?|small change]] to [[Larry Page|Larry and chums]], but [[Angela Merkel - The Unexpected|Angela and Co]] have got to fill [[Brexit negotiations|the gap]] somehow? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:35, 28 June 2017 (UTC) </small>

*'''Wait''' Google are considering an appeal. So the fine may be reduced? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 07:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per TRM. This fine is pennies to Google. They sweat this much money in day-to-day operations.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 13:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' For Google a trivial amount and effectively a hand-slap. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' because the issue here is are they abusing  their position at the go to search engine by displaying ads based on searches. The big fine is EU saying this has to change. Real news is about change happening or not and that has not occurred. [[User:Richard-of-Earth|Richard-of-Earth]] ([[User talk:Richard-of-Earth|talk]]) 18:53, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' for a modification of the alt-blurb I but <s>'''wait'''</s> until some article (new or present) is updated with information on this. It's notable global news and has received much press coverage. It does not matter how much this hurts Google - it's a significant development in general and also the press coverage suggests it's very notable. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 00:14, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
::Support for posting it now as the article has been updated. I also added an additional altblurb. €2.42bn is much − a record actually − and it doesn't matter that much what people think about how much it'll hurt Google. For instance as it's also notable for being a precedent and a clear signal. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 21:24, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I think the "Google can shrug this off easily" argument is unfair. If they cannot shrug off the fine easily, it would not have been imposed. Like, if you sue your neighbor for some grievance, would you demand $1 billion in compensation that your neighbor has no chance of paying? This fine is EUR 2.42 billion. That's way bigger than the size of most corporations. Plus the ruling forces Google to change its search algorithms, which is clearly a lasting consequence. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:17, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
** Consider that Alphabet has some $300B in assets and cash on hand. Furthermore, it's not changing the search algorthim, just how search results for the Shopping part are prioritized. The only interesting thing of note that I saw that if Google remains in violation, they're fined 5% of their daily revenues while they are not compliant. If there's anything more world-changing, it is the other ruling that Canada's Supreme Court dropped on Google today that they must filter out certain results WORLDWIDE, which has severe free speech issues - but also not the type of story that is ITN featured. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 01:40, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
***Of course Alphabet has a market capitalization of $656+ billion so this is not going to put them out of business or anything. But it's still EUR 2.42 billion. That's larger than most companies in the world. You remember when I converted human life to monetary value (at a rate of one human life = $8 million, see [[Value of life]])? 2.42 billion is worth some 300 lives at this rate, and a disaster of this magnitude would easily be posted. I know you don't agree with this kind of comparison, but I'll still say tossing this sum aside as inconsequential is unfair. Also, of course they'll have to change their search algorithms, or how will they change their search results? [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:56, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
****It's about relative amounts, not absolute ones. We should never compare dollars to lives (much less compare lives to lives in different events), it is a matter of the context. Yes, Google's fighting this, they don't want to pay it, but they're not going to go belly up tomorrow. If it were a smaller search engine company, but otherwise the same situation, they would have likely gotten a fine relative to what they can afford. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 02:07, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*****No, it's the absolute amount that is important. That's what makes it remarkable. You seem to think the world water speed record would be unremarkable if it was set by a powerboat instead of a rowboat. [[User:Hawkeye7|Hawkeye7]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye7|talk]]) 05:20, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
******False analogy.  This fine is the equivalent of fining a professional footballer a month's wages.  Irritating but nothing more.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
******Maybe one of these days I'll oppose a nomination in which 100 people died on the grounds that it is insignificant. After all, for a country with 10 million people, having 100 people die is even less by proportion than fining a professional footballer a month's wages. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 06:26, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*******''[[Reductio ad absurdum]]''.  Paying a fine that's well within your ability to do so is not equivalent to being killed.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:33, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
********Yet if this fine comes through, the impact on the EU is likely to be greater than if 100 of its citizens die suddenly. EUR 2.4 billion is likely to be greater than the economic output of 100 individuals over their lifetimes, and the EU has ~740 million people, making 100 a "mere" blip. One could also argue that Grenfell Tower burning down is inconsequential since the economic damage is a "mere" rounding error in the face of the UK's $2.6 trillion GDP. The same economic damage is also likely less than EUR 2.4 billion, but do we care? [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 07:15, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
*********Previous answer applies. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:06, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
********** I'm not sure why your analogy is valid and his is automatically absurd. You're off your rocker if you think that Google is shrugging this off. The story here is the "do not evil" company got a huge smackdown for being evil, and the course of European commerce will be dramatically altered. HOWEVER, this is necessarily [[WP:CBALL]], and I don't think anyone ever actually ''updated the article'', so '''oppose.'''[[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 12:17, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
***********Feels like I'm "talking to myself"!! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:20, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Here ya go, a [https://www.newscientist.com/article/2139097-googles-e2-4bn-fine-is-small-change-the-eu-has-bigger-plans/ decent article] form ''New Scientist'' - {{xt|The hefty sum – the largest ever doled out by the EU’s competition regulators – will sting in the short term, but Google can handle it. Alphabet, Google’s parent company, made a profit of $2.5 billion (€2.2 billion) in the first six weeks of 2017 alone.}}  Yes, it'll change the way they have to behave, but meh, caught their pants down and got a tiny spanking.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
:Whole websites dedicated to that sort of thing (apparently). But I think ''New Scientist'' may be right there, unfortunately. It certainly seems sufficiently notable to be added to the [[Google]] article, so I have done so. Still not sure it counts as "litigation", however. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
::Ironically, there are also articles like [http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/google-stock-price-ability-to-make-search-better-choked-by-ec-fine-2017-6-1002132030 this one] with "... the fine severely limits Google's ability to refine and improve its core product, which could mean big headwinds for Google in Europe" or even [https://seekingalpha.com/article/4084596-googles-eu-fine-poses-legitimate-threat-companys-vital-revenue-streams this] whose title says everything. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 00:47, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
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== June 26 ==
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==== [Posted] 2017 America's Cup ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 America's Cup<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In sailing, the '''[[2017 America's Cup|America's Cup]]''' concludes with [[Team New Zealand]] defeating [[Oracle Team USA]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/sailing/40412255 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = The Rambling Man <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes<!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:41, 27 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*''Support'' in principle. I think the unsourced sportsblog commentary of each day should be deleted though. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) <small>Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]]</small> 09:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Everything after the "Day 1" section needs references, and like the above, I think such a thorough commentary is unnecessary.  Some sections have no references, but include content from standalone articles which is suitably referenced, and those articles are linked in said sections.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.53.104|128.214.53.104]] ([[User talk:128.214.53.104|talk]]) 09:15, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Goodness me, are we writing a [[Yachting Monthly|yachting]] magazine column now? Surprised we don't see what each crew had for breakfast each day. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:23, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now. Huge WP:V/CITE FAIL. This is going to take some work before it can be posted. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 01:30, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Post this now please''' I've removed the objectionable material. If I understand your rules it should now be posted, as it's listed in [[WP:ITNR]]. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) <small>Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]]</small> 10:10, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*Still a couple of unreferenced sections, though one of them links on to main articles that are referenced.  The section on broadcasting could use refs, though.  [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]] ([[User talk:GoldenRing|talk]]) 10:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
**{{u|GoldenRing}} I junked it. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) <small>Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]]</small> 10:52, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Thanks to [[User:Dweller|Dweller]], now looking in postable shape. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ITN/R item with the article in good shape.  [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]] ([[User talk:GoldenRing|talk]]) 13:41, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*{{ping|Dweller}} do you know of a usable image of the Team New Zealand yacht?  [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]] ([[User talk:GoldenRing|talk]]) 13:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
**Sorry no. I know nothing about sailing, other than it was in the news in the UK and I know that the Americas Cup is A Big Thing. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) <small>Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]]</small> 13:47, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
***A quick search through file space doesn't turn up anything more recent than about 2012, which seems a shame, but there it is.  [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]] ([[User talk:GoldenRing|talk]]) 14:57, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Whoa!''' There are still really serious gaps in referencing. An entire section lacks a single cite. The ref-improve tag should not have been removed and this article should not have been posted in it's current condition. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 15:15, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
**I think people were of the opinion that the relevant sections were sourced in their main articles, but I've addressed that now, anyway. Thanks. The refimprove tag was for the overall article and was clearly inappropriate. If only all of our articles were so poorly referenced. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) <small>Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]]</small> 15:32, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] RD: Desh Bandhu Gupta ====
{{archive-top|Template implementation for [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf's]] closure. '''Stale''' - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 22:57, 3 July 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Desh Bandhu Gupta
| recent deaths = yes 
| sources       = [http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/lupin-founder-chairman-dr-desh-bandhu-gupta-passes-away/article19148924.ece The Hindu]
| updated       = yes 
| nominator     = Vivvt <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Vivvt
| ITNR          = no 
| nom cmt       = Businessman founder of [[Lupin Limited]].
| sign          = - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 06:32, 27 June 2017 (UTC) 
}}
*'''Weak support''' not the greatest article in the world but what's there is referenced and appears to cover the major points. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:51, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Stale'''. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:37, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Removed] Remove Battle of Raqqa from Ongoing ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Battle of Raqqa (2017)
| ongoing       = rem
| nom cmt       = Of the last 14 days, only 8 have updates in the article, and in the last 7 days 200 words have been added in total.  Edit History suggests that work has significantly slowed.  Article Talk page has a section complaining about lack of updates.  The best route for this article on ITN is to blurb the declared result if/when that happens, but it makes no sense to keep an un-updated article on front page.
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/128.214.53.104|128.214.53.104]] ([[User talk:128.214.53.104|talk]]) 07:26, 26 June 2017 (UTC) 
}}
:'''Oppose''' - the standard is new updates on a regular basis, but there is (properly) no quantitative requirement for either. There are unquestionably new updates, so the question is whether you consider the current update frequency "regular." [[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 16:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' If it isn't being updated it should be removed. [[User:LordAtlas|LordAtlas]] ([[User talk:LordAtlas|talk]]) 06:34, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' removal, infrequent updates is indicative of this no longer being of "ongoing" interest. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:52, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per TRM. [[User:A lad insane|<span style="color:#10aeeb;">-A la</span><span style="color:#000000;">d</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/A lad insane|<span style="color:#ef0000;">insane</span>]] [[User talk:A lad insane|<span style="color:#ff00f7;"><small>(Channel 2)</small></span>]] 15:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - as the original poster, I feel like the page, while in good order, is no longer worthy of ongoing status. The conflict has dragged on, and will inevitably be on ITN when it ends. Removal now is apt in my view. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 19:21, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Removed''' [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 21:00, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 25 ==
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==== [Posted] RD: Gordon Wilson ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Gordon Wilson (Scottish politician)
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40397536 BBC News]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Drchriswilliams <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = leader of the SNP 1979–1990, represented Dundee East in the House of Commons 1974–1987
| sign          = [[User:Drchriswilliams|Drchriswilliams]] ([[User talk:Drchriswilliams|talk]]) 12:10, 25 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' A rather short article with some gaps in referencing. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 15:49, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak oppose'''</s> a few citations missing and a {{tl|dn}} on the religion. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:42, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
:* {{reply to|The Rambling Man}} I have tidied the article up, including adding further citations and removed unsourced statements. [[User:Drchriswilliams|Drchriswilliams]] ([[User talk:Drchriswilliams|talk]]) 07:40, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
::*'''Support''' good work. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:43, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
'''Posted''' [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 09:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] 2017 Bahawalpur explosion ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Bahawalpur explosion
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = An oil tanker '''[[2017 Bahawalpur explosion|explosion]]''' near [[Ahmedpur East]], [[Bahawalpur District]] in [[Pakistan]] kills at least 128 people and injuring at least 100 others.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/25/asia/deadly-oil-tank-explosion-pakistan/index.html CNN] [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-40396036 BBC] [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/123-dead-tanker-fire-bahawalpur-170625044522993.html Al Jazeera]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Andise1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Andise1
| updater2      = Mfarazbaig
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = An explosion that killed a large number of people and also injured a large number of people. The article definitely needs a lot of work (I just started it, but am headed to bed shortly) so feel free to help update it if you can.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Andise1|Andise1]] ([[User talk:Andise1|talk]]) 07:42, 25 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> stub but certainly one hell of a disaster.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:37, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' in principle, '''wait''' until the article is in shape; ai caramba, this is pretty bad. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 08:42, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - TRM consider switching your !vote to support once I'm done updating the article. - [[User:Mfarazbaig|Mfarazbaig]] ([[User talk:Mfarazbaig|talk]]) 09:36, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - once more info is available of course [[User:Spiderone|<span style="color:#996600; font-size:small;">Spiderone</span>]] 10:16, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Keep in mind that reactions from other countries that little more than condolences should not be included, or should be summed up. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:05, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ~ [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|chat]]) 13:14, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. I renamed the article '''2017 Ahmedpur East explosion''', because the incident happened there near [[Ahmedpur East]]. [[Bahawalpur District]] was named by the [[Bahawalpur]] town, and that is a confusion. Please modify the blurb.- <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">[[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:black">'''Eugεn'''</span>]][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:gold">'''S¡m¡on'''</span>]]</span> 13:24, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
**Corrected link and blurb to reflect the new title. ~ [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|chat]]) 13:35, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
***Somebody moved the article back, and that old title is incorrect. I don't want to explain again why I have that move. The previous name should be somehow protected beacuse it is the correct one. - <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">[[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:black">'''Eugεn'''</span>]][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:gold">'''S¡m¡on'''</span>]]</span> 15:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 24 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2017 June 24]]}}
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==== [Posted] RD: Maria Mutagamba ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Maria Mutagamba
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://www.newvision.co.ug/new_vision/news/1456319/tourism-minister-maria-mutagamba-dead New Vision]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Vivvt <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Fsmatovu
| updater2      = Vivvt
| nom cmt       = Ugandan politician
| sign          = - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 19:14, 25 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Weak support''' brief article but what's there seems adequate. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:46, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' as above. small article but concise. --[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 20:40, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 09:32, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Cholera outbreak in Yemen ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Cholera outbreaks and pandemics
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The [[World Health Organization]] estimates that 200,000 people in [[Yemen]] have been '''[[Cholera_outbreaks_and_pandemics#Notable_outbreaks_.282010.E2.80.93present.29|infected with cholera]]'''.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = A '''[[2017 Yemen cholera outbreak|cholera outbreak]]''' in Yemen kills at least 1,300 people infects more than 200,000 others.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40369804 BBC], [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/1310-dead-yemen-cholera-epidemic-170624141413415.html Al Jazeera], [http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/24/534236954/yemen-now-faces-the-worst-cholera-outbreak-in-the-world-u-n-says NPR]. 
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Vanamonde93 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Espresso Addict
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 05:36, 25 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Support''' as nominator: seems like a very significant epidemic. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 05:37, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' not the greatest analytical coverage I've ever seen as the target is a list of outbreaks, this one being covered in a couple of sentences.  Would also suggest just spelling out WHO in case someone gets confused with [[The Who]], bound to happen...  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:23, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*:Yeah, I'll work on expanding that a little when I've got a moment...we've also got to keep due weight in mind. I abbreviated WHO for brevity, but I've expanded it now. I can easily see somebody asking me to abbreviate again. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 08:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support''' agree with TRM that more expansion would be nice if possible. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:02, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support when article is created''' – With the WHO calling it [http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/24/534236954/yemen-now-faces-the-worst-cholera-outbreak-in-the-world-u-n-says "the worst Cholera outbreak in the world"] this should definitely have its own article. More than 200,000 people infected and 1,300 known deaths with the disease continuing to spread rapidly. Once an article is made specifically for this outbreak, I'll support on notability. I've added an alt blurb with a potential title for the article that includes the loss of life. ~ [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|chat]]) 13:17, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Definitely. [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 14:08, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. 200,000 is a lot of people. Might be good to contextualize it with the drone war.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 15:05, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' with mention of context in the [[Yemeni Civil War|ongoing civil war]]. [[Special:Contributions/140.206.88.109|140.206.88.109]] ([[User talk:140.206.88.109|talk]]) 15:54, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support''' per above. This really needs expansion. Ideally if enough material were found it could be split off into it's own article. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 15:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The problem with this is that the article on the [[Yemeni Civil War (2015–present)|Yemeni Civil War]], which would be an obvious target, is currently locked down for editing and has an orange tag stating it's outdated. (I got a wrist slap for using my admin privileges to edit it to add this information.) I contemplated starting an article but couldn't find enough reliable material yesterday to do. The medical project object to writing medical-related articles based heavily on news items. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 00:05, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*:While it's not ideal, the original blurb's target is [[Cholera outbreaks and pandemics#Notable_outbreaks_(2010–present) ]] which is satisfactory, so as this has sufficient consensus, I'd post that one, post-haste. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 04:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*::You prefer the list to [[2017 Yemen cholera outbreak]]? I've put a little additional info in the article, but the WHO server went down as I was editing so I can't get more. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 05:11, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*:::When I commented above, that (on my browser) was still a red link.  It's decent.  Either way we can post this ASAP. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 05:59, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*::::I'd post it myself, but I'd probably get a(nother) slap on the wrist. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 06:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Major disease outbreak with major media coverage. [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 05:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 06:09, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] 2017 Sichuan landslide ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Sichuan landslide<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = At least 15 people are killed and around 100 are missing following '''[[2017 Sichuan landslide|a landslide]]''' in [[Sichuan]], China.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-40390642 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Balurbala<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Article a stub, still in the process of getting updated<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 05:24, 24 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose'''. I would probably have supported if article were in a reasonable state at time of nomination. It's not, so I'm not. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 06:23, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose'''. The article has zero substance.</s> '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color:#000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color:#FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 06:44, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Changing my vote to '''support'''; article is now in an acceptable shape, and the number of lives potentially lost makes it an internationally relevant event. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color:#000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color:#FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 19:37, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on article quality (stub, citations needed) and lack of proposed blurb. With a better article and suitable blurb I'd probably support. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 21:51, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' blurb added, article appears to have been substantially worked over since {{U|StillWaitingForConnection}}, {{U|Schwede66}} and {{U|Thryduulf}} opined.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:25, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - the blurb and the article are both sufficient now [[User:Spiderone|<span style="color:#996600; font-size:small;">Spiderone</span>]] 10:17, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Given the remoteness of the area, news is not going to be coming fast, but the core details are in place to emphasize the size of this disaster. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:05, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Article has been expanded and updated, and I have updated the blurb to reflect more recent estimates of number of missing, which has fallen below 100. Members of 62 families were at one point feared buried. [[Special:Contributions/140.206.88.109|140.206.88.109]] ([[User talk:140.206.88.109|talk]]) 15:49, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Weak support''' – Still rather brief, but acceptable for breaking news, which in a way this still is. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 20:54, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 00:18, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 23 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2017 June 23]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2017 June 23}}
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==== [Posted] June 2017 Pakistan bombings ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = June 2017 Pakistan bombings
| article2      = 
| image         = 
| blurb         = At least 80 people are killed and more than 200 others injured in '''[[June 2017 Pakistan bombings|multiple bombings]]''' in Pakistani cities of [[Quetta]] and [[Parachinar]].    
| recent deaths = no 
| ongoing       = no 
| altblurb      = In Pakistan, at least 80 people are killed and more than 200 others injured in '''[[June 2017 Pakistan bombings|multiple bombings]]''' in [[Quetta]] and [[Parachinar]].
| sources       = [http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/23/asia/pakistan-quetta-attack/index.html CNN] [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/world/asia/bombings-pakistan-parachinar.html NYT] [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40385007 BBC] [http://time.com/4829835/pakistan-bomb-attacks/ TIME] 
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/23/dozens-killed-in-two-separate-attacks-in-pakistan-on-eve-of-eid Guardian]
[http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/twin-blasts-kill-dozens-parachinar-market-170623141126819.html Al Jazeera] [http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-peshawar-pakistan-bomb-20170623-story.html LA Times]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = 
| nominator     = Mfarazbaig <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Mfarazbaig
| updater2      = Mar4d
| updater3      = 
| ITNR          = no
| nom cmt       = A significant no. of fatalities with wide spread international coverage.
| sign          = [[User:Mfarazbaig|Mfarazbaig]] ([[User talk:Mfarazbaig|talk]]) 14:39, 24 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Support''' as article content is decent, and it's been a while since the last major attack with similar casualties. '''[[User:Mar4d|<span style="color:green;">Mar4d</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|<span style="color:green;">talk</span>]]) 14:44, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The death toll is now up to 63, or 67 if including the Karachi shootings. What's not clear is that the three attacks were coordinated; they took place in three separate cities, hundreds of miles apart, and were likely carried out by three different (and opposing) terrorist groups. The only thing in common between them is that they all chose [[Eid ul-Fitr]] as the target date of their attacks. The single deadliest incident is the coordinated twin bombings in Parachinar, which have killed 50 with the death toll expected to rise further. News on Karachi is still unfolding, but unless the death toll increases significantly that incident might not be notable in itself. [[Special:Contributions/140.206.254.141|140.206.254.141]] ([[User talk:140.206.254.141|talk]]) 15:49, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' article is a little scattered, but acceptable, given the circumstances; a death toll of 60 is tragically high, and certainly enough to meet the threshold. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 18:15, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' decent enough, notable enough.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:19, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Updated blurb and marked ready. - [[User:Mfarazbaig|Mfarazbaig]] ([[User talk:Mfarazbaig|talk]]) 09:19, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 01:04, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

==== Ongoing: 2017 Qatar diplomatic crisis ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Qatar diplomatic crisis<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40387894 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Legacypac<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = Dthomsen8<!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = Rupert loup<!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Has been in the news for more than 24 hours. Would love to see a blurb but satisfied with Ongoing.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 00:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' unless there's new evidence to consider. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&oldid=786448382#.5BOngoing.5D_Qatar_diplomatic_crisis ] [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 06:21, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' this is seeing plenty of continued coverage and it's not like the article isn't being updated either. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 02:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' a look at the changes being made to the article in the last few days shows nothing of real substance being added. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 10:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Gabe Pressman ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Gabe Pressman
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| sources       = <ref>{{cite news|title=Longtime NYC Newsman and Bronx Native Gabe Pressman Dead at 93|url=http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2017/06/23/wnbc-veteran-and-bronx-native-gabe-pressman-dies.html|accessdate=June 23, 2017|publisher=[[NY1]]|date=June 23, 2017}}</ref>
| nominator     = Brianga
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Brianga|Brianga]] ([[User talk:Brianga|talk]]) 14:48, 23 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' just one citation missing.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:28, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''<s>Weak</s> support''' until the four cn-tags in the "Career" section are fixed, after which I'll give it my full support. There shouldn't be any problem finding reputable sourcing for those four cn-tagged items. Otherwise, this is a pretty good article. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 02:34, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
**'''Update''' - Referencing is now updated. Marking as '''Ready'''. I am changing my vote from "weak support" to "support." (And on a side note, as things turned out, it was not easy finding ''reliable'' sources for the 5 tagged items. It took me a few hours to find some, then I had to  delete items, and revise some sentences).[[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 07:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Could do with some references for the awards; the eleven Emmys checks out in an obit I could access but the others are more elusive (in particular the Peabody isn't in our list of 1984 awards); also ref 5 is a dead link. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 23:36, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
:*yeah, you're right about ref 5 ([https://www.41nbc.com/2017/06/23/gabe-pressman-legendary-nbc-new-york-reporter-dead-at-93/ here]) already being a dead link. And you know, that's ''precisely'' the source that lists all those awards, including the ''year'' of the award. And the crazy thing is, there's no archive page at the 41nbc.com site. And the Wayback machine (web archive) seems down temporarily. So I'll have to get back to you on this. Changed status from "Ready" to "Needs Attention" until this is fixed. Thanks for the status update. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 00:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
::*I've found the Peabody ref (the year was wrong); even with the NBC obit functional it would be good to have confirmation, as obits often seem to get these details wrong. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 00:22, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
:::*ok, I hear you. I'll track some of this other stuff down, hopefully within the next 24 hours. And not rely on the obit so much. Thanks. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 00:35, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
::::*I'm probably over-picky; if more than one obit states the same details for an award then it's probably fine. You can always hide the less-prestigious ones until refs can be found. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 00:39, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Status update''' - followed the advice of the administrator Espresso Addict, and replaced the dead URL with link to the exact same obituary available at "NBC 4 New York," (meanwhile, this link has been saved via the Wayback Machine, in case we need it as a back-up source down the line). This is obviously a pre-written obituary already on file that was circulated through NBC wire services, since Gabe Pressman spent much of his career at WNBC.. Anyhow, this article lists all these awards, and the years each was awarded.. I was able to find a few other citations for the major awards, and I also linked to a ''New York Daily News'' obit written by their staff for some of the citations. IOW, the latter obit doesn't seem to be just copying from the NBC obit. And I will tag this as '''Needs Attention: Ready?''' In the section header to alert an administrator that a final assessment is near at hand. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 15:37, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 23:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 22 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2017 June 22]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2017 June 22}}
{{cob}}
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==== [Closed] RD: Des Hanafin ====
{{archive top|Stale [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 22:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Des Hanafin
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/former-fianna-f%C3%A1il-senator-des-hanafin-has-died-aged-86-1.3129495 Irish Times]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = MBlaze Lightning <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 05:26, 23 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' The references about his reelection in 1960 and his 1961 vote against the Fianna Fáil nominee for Chair of the County Council are marked as permanent dead links. His children's political positions are not referenced in this article, but they are on their own articles. Those are the only issues I can see. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
:*I've fixed those issues. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 15:16, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' poor lead but main body is okay and sourced. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:32, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*MBlaze, it is rather poor form to mark your own nominations "ready". That is an assessment that should be performed by somebody else. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 04:49, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until close paraphrasing issues are addressed; they aren't huge, but enough to be a problem. There's also one instance of content not being supported by a source (or simply missing a source); and a good bit of redundancy between the political career and politics sections. We could just dump the latter, and merge any unique content into the section above it. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 05:03, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
:*All done! &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 07:27, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
::*FWIW, <span class="plainlinks">[https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Des+Hanafin&oldid=787731339&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0 those websites]</span> actually plagiarized content from Wikipedia, not the other way around. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 07:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
:::*That was true for the Tipperary Star, but not for Independent.ie, as far as I can tell: [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Des+Hanafin&oldid=787724438&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0] In any case, article looks a lot better now; though I'd still merge the politics with the political career (into the last paragraph), that's not something to hold the nomination up over any longer. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 07:46, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
::::*Done. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 10:35, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] RD: Quett Masire ====
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{{ITN candidate
| article       = Quett Masire
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
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| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.independent.co.ug/former-botswana-president-sir-ketumile-masire-dies-aged-91/ The Independent]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = MBlaze Lightning <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
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| sign          = &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 05:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''': Tonnes of unsourced content. - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 06:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''': Article needs way more sources to meet the criteria. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 06:54, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] Ireland and Afghanistan Test Cricket ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ireland cricket team<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = Afghanistan national cricket team<!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The cricket teams of [[Ireland cricket team|Ireland]] and [[Afghanistan national cricket team|Afghanistan]] are awarded [[Test cricket#Test status|Test status]]  by the [[International Cricket Council|ICC]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
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| sources       = [https://www.rte.ie/sport/cricket/2017/0622/884643-irelands-await-test-status-verdict-after-10-year-quest/ RTÉ]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes>!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = yes<!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Stormy clouds <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
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| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Major development in cricket (the world's second most-followed sport) as two new nations are given test status. Target articles will only need updates to reflect this, rather than a major overhaul.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 15:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*This is definitely notable. International Test cricket is a very exclusive club, this means a lot for the sport. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 15:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*Support on notability. The Ireland article looks like it's decent quality. I noticed some possible copy/paste issues at the end of this section of the Afghan article: [[Afghanistan_national_cricket_team#2015_Cricket_World_Cup]] --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) <small>Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]]</small> 15:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::Issues addressed with referencing and a broad rewrite to ensure no copy-pasting. It appears that the info was copied from another Wikipedia article though, so not a copyright concern. Just bad editing by someone who does not know how links work. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:20, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support''' This is, of course, massively important news for the 2nd most popular spectator sport in the world, but I'm a little unsure how important it is in the worldwide scheme of things.  I'm trying to think of an equivalent for other sports, without a huge amount of success. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:* - the addition of two new NFL teams, but on a larger scale? - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:* Looking at the [[Two-tier Test cricket]] article, it appears to be a step towards establishing a baseball-style conference system, with the now 12 Test nations split into two groups of six teams who then have a playoff for the championship. Quite a radical departure from the current system where teams arrange Test matches by themselves, but arguably necessary to reverse the long-term decline in Test audiences compared to ODIs and Twenty20.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 17:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:: - So is test still the premier level of the sport? ITN tends to be stingy with anything outside of the top tier. If this a cynical move of a fading form, maybe it doesn't pass muster. [[Special:Contributions/159.53.78.143|159.53.78.143]] ([[User talk:159.53.78.143|talk]]) 17:55, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Traditionalists would say yes :) But viewing figures suggest otherwise. However,the idea of a "Division 1" and "Division 2" seems to have been abandoned, so at least Afganistan and Ireland would get to play the top teams straightaway and not be put into a group of minnows from which they would need to be promoted.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 18:03, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''': Major news for the sport. Articles look good enough. [[User:PratyushSinha101|Pratyush]] ([[User talk:PratyushSinha101|talk]]) 17:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': why is one article titled "national cricket team" and the other not? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:11, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Cricket is organised on an [[all-Ireland]] basis. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 18:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::*Thanks. I guess some readers may be enticed to read the articles if they spot that difference. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It's 17 years since the last country, [[Bangladesh national cricket team|Bangladesh]], were granted Test status. Articles look in good shape. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:11, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' since well over a billion English speakers watch and enjoy cricket so this is part of the broad interest that ITN should be piquing.  Prepared, right now, to lay my entire mortgage, savings, house, cats, wendy house, that this won't be posted because of systemic bias.  Or worse, it'll be posted, then pulled because of the same.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:20, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::I'll take that bet. 5 Supporting and none opposed. And your pet project was both posted and not pulled, so maybe the system works![[Special:Contributions/159.53.78.142|159.53.78.142]] ([[User talk:159.53.78.142|talk]]) 19:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:::My pet project is on ITNR so it's bound to be posted.  What are you talking about? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::::"well over a billion English speakers watch and enjoy cricket"? Sounds like Fake News to me. [[English language]] says there are 400 million native speakers of English and 1.1 billion who have it as a second language. The 400 million presumably includes about 300 million Americans, and the 1.1 billion appear to be spread all over the world including those vast swathes of the world that have no interest in cricket. Cricket-loving India has 1.3 billion people, but [[Languages of India]] says India has an estimated 125 million English speakers (and presumably quite a lot of them hate sport in general and/or cricket in particular). So I can't see how one gets up to 'well over a billion English speakers ...'. (However, I still support the posting of this item - as far as I know, nothing in our rules says that an item must interest over a billion English speakers before it can be posted at ITN). [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 03:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' New Test teams don't come along every day. I'm seeing quite a lot of coverage of this. The story of the rise of the Afghanistan cricket team in particular is [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/world/asia/afghanistan-cricket-fans-leagues-pakistan.html truly remarkabale].--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 19:34, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*Okay then, six hours in, even with US commentators awake, this has unanimous support, so marking as [ready].  Preparing my financial downfall... [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:01, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:*<small>If you lose [[List of cricketers banned for corruption|this one]], you may need a new [[Crickets as pets|pet project]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC) </small>
::*I trust you are well versed in the numerous requested moves for [[Cricket]]?  That alone means this may post but will never remain.  This is, after all, American Wikipedia, lest you forget. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:::*<small>"Why are ye fearful? Oh ye of [[Cricket in the United States|little faith]]." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC) </small>
*'''Posted'''. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 21:26, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Need to bold the teams in the blurb. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 22:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::*Agreed. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 22:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:::* Done. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 23:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
: - Dang, Thryduulf, you couldn't let him twist in the wind a bit longer? You spoilt our fun, ya did. [[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 00:28, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support'''. I woke up this morning and saw the headline news and my jaw dropped (in a good way). This is the biggest news in cricket, one of the world's major sports, for years. Will have major impacts for many years to come. --[[User:Dmmaus|dmmaus]] ([[User talk:Dmmaus|talk]]) 22:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:*<small>Yes, but we're all now hoping it will be pulled, so that TRM has to sell his [[Under-occupancy penalty|wendy house]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
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::*Really, Martin? My reading of the above bet is that if it's pulled, TRM gets to keep his wendy house :) [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 03:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
:::*D'oh! I think you're right. As you know I am [[Wendy Weir (cricketer)|easily confused]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 08:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC) 
::::*Thanks, Martin. I think I'll have to propose posting this as a new ITN item, just as soon as I've created one of our shortest ever articles, [[User:Martinevans123|List of Wikipedians who have admitted they might be wrong]], and wikilinked it to relevant articles such as [[Papal infallibility]] :) [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 13:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC) 
:::::*Fortunately I have found your first [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Does%20the%20Pope%20shit%20in%20the%20woods%3F reliable source]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:45, 23 June 2017 (UTC) 
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*'''Post-post support''', good call and fast response.  Earth-shattering news in the world of cricket.  [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] <sup>([[User talk:Lankiveil|speak to me]])</sup> 00:20, 23 June 2017 (UTC).
*'''Post-posting support''' due notability + rarity.[[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 03:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

*'''Question'''. Should ICC be spelled out? I could see someone thinking it referred to the [[International Criminal Court]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 23:40, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*:<small>What?? You mean it has nothing to do with [[Imperial Camel Corps|camels]]?! Should have gone for a [[Inuit Circumpolar Council|snow close]] here. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:45, 24 June 2017 (UTC) </small>

*'''Comment''' I have eaten my hat, Wendy house and other accoutrements.  Perhaps I should make such threats more often. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:11, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' Can the blurb be clarified to explain what is meant by "test"? Sounds like they are taking an exam in school. Appears to be something more significant than that they're in demonstration mode but I can't tell.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.90.206.164|75.90.206.164]] ([[User talk:75.90.206.164#top|talk]]) 22:34, 29 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

====[Closed] Federal Judge Temporarily Blocks Deporation of Iraqi Christians ====
{{archive top|Consensus against, at least at this stage of the story. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 21:01, 27 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Persecution_of_Christians#Iraq
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = A Federal judge has temporarily blocked the deportation of 114 Iraqi Christians after the ACLU filed a class action lawsuit arguing that the Iraqis would face persecution in their home country. 
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
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| sources       = {{Cite news| issn = 0261-3077| last = Holpuch| first = Amanda| title = US judge halts deportation of more than 100 Iraqi Christians| work = The Guardian| accessdate = 2017-06-23| date = 2017-06-22| url = https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/22/iraq-deportation-us-judge-halts-detroit-ice-raid}}
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Seraphim System <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Seraphim System
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| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Significant and current news story about Christians who have been in the United States for many years and now face deportation under the current administration's immigration policy. The judge has issued a temporary order blocking the deportation for two weeks when he will issue a new order. As a class action lawsuit the decision protects "all Iraqi nationals within the jurisdiction of the Detroit Ice field office" 
| sign          = [[User:Seraphim System|<span style="font-family:Candara; color:#cc00cc; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''Seraphim System'''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Seraphim System|<span style="color:#009900">talk</span>]])</sup> 23:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' posting a temporary order; too local a domestic policy issue. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 23:09, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
::I think U.S. Domestic policy is entirely appropriate for English Wikipedia, especially when it is something of national (even international) interest like the current immigration policy. It's not a "local story" - it's a federal court, only the jurisdiction is limited. These two things really shouldn't be confused. It is being covered by the international press, the citation I added it for ''The Guardian'' - but if consensus is against it because it is a the temporary order then I will re-nominate when the final decision is made. [[User:Seraphim System|<span style="font-family:Candara; color:#cc00cc; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''Seraphim System'''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Seraphim System|<span style="color:#009900">talk</span>]])</sup> 23:16, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' A temporary blocking order while a case is in progress is not news. This case does have potential to set case law which would be the time to post, but definitely not now. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:20, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:45, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] RD: Steffi Martin ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Steffi Martin
| recent deaths = yes 
| sources       = [http://www.sz-online.de/nachrichten/trauer-um-olympiasiegerin-3710029.html Sächsische Zeitung (German)]
| updated       = yes 
| nominator     = Vivvt <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Vivvt
| updater2      = Miebner 
| nom cmt       = Olympic gold winner twice
| sign          = - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 06:09, 23 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support'''. Only a basic article, but what's there is referenced and there is nothing obvious missing. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:25, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weakest support''' for a "greatest Olympian" the article is borderline stub.  But what's there is fair enough, albeit far too brief.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:23, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' per TRM and Thryduulf. Nothing more added to the article since the two comments above mine. So the article is still ok. Just basic information that is adequately sourced. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 03:11, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 08:51, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] RD: Kelechi Emeteole ====
{{archive top|Stale [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 22:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Kelechi Emeteole
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/christian-chukwu-describes-late-emeteole-image-everything-football/ Vanguard (Nigeria)]
| nominator     = Vivvt 
| updater       = Vivvt
| ITNR          = no 
| nom cmt       = Nigerian football player and coach
| sign          = - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 04:32, 23 June 2017 (UTC) 
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*'''weak oppose'''. What's there is referenced, but I'd like to see some mention of his playing career other than as an international. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|Thryduulf}} Yes! I have been skeptical about this nomination myself. I am not getting anything at all about his playing career, but many references concentrate on his coaching career only. He seems more a coach than a player. - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 10:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't know that much about football, but I know that any old player does not get to play for a large national team like Nigeria, so he must have been noteworthy to some extent. There is currently not even a list of clubs he played for or a mention of what position he played. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:57, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: {{Ping|Thryduulf}} I understand your points and hence have dropped a note at [[WT:FOOTBALL]] to seek help from regulars. Hope they can find sources to improve the article. - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 18:00, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] Destruction of the Great Mosque of al-Nuri ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Great Mosque of al-Nuri (Mosul)
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In the [[Battle of Mosul (2016–present)|Battle of Mosul]], [[Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant|Islamic State]] forces destroy the '''[[Great Mosque of al-Nuri (Mosul)|Great Mosque of al-Nuri]]'''.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = In the [[Battle of Mosul (2016–present)|Battle of Mosul]], the '''[[Great Mosque of al-Nuri (Mosul)|Great Mosque of al-Nuri]]''' is destroyed.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40361857 BBC] [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/iconic-grand-al-nuri-mosque-iraq-mosul-blown-170621193402284.html Al Jazeera]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = LukeSurl <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
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| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Destruction of a significant 12th-century landmark which was also a sort of [[Leaning Tower of Pisa]]-like architectural oddity. The place where ISIS declared their caliphate. Posting this would be a way of mentioning the ongoing Battle of Mosul without having to bold that very lengthy article. Article has been updated tense-wise, but currently only a sentence on the actual destruction.
| sign          = [[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 20:22, 21 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Weak oppose''' support the principle, the story is fascinating and the destruction is unfathomably sad, but the article is too weak.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:23, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*This incident was reported less than an hour ago, and the article contains all the pertinent information on the destruction (i.e. the claim and counterclaim of responsibility) that [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/iconic-grand-al-nuri-mosque-iraq-mosul-blown-170621193402284.html Al Jazeera] (who I would trust to be the best reporters on this) have. I assume some reactions will be reported within the next few hours. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 20:42, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*ISIS news sources counter-claim that it was a US airstrike that destoyed the site. I'm not sure they're really a reliable source, but I've added an alt-blurb in the passive voice if want to avoid attributing this. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 20:51, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::I think it needs to be mentioned in the article, but not the blurb given that IS is the only source for the claim. And bluntly IS is not a reliable source for the time of day. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 22:16, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Weak oppose''' – 'IS' destroying architectural monuments is nothing new. (Destruction is central to their ethos.) [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 21:12, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – It is not new with IS destruction but this is a very significant destructed building. [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 22:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is a very significant architectural monument whose deliberate destruction is an ITN worthy event. Article quality, while not great, appears to be minimally adequate. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 22:14, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40361857 BBC] have some reactions in their story now. May be worth inclusion in article? (too late for me right now) --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 23:15, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Ad Orientem. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 05:36, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''', but I'd like the discussion to continue here, because there are some unresolved issues. Ideally, this should have a picture; and there isn't clarity over the passive blurb (which I have now used, as being safer). The article may also easily develop issues, given the nature of the subject. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 06:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*:Is there any reason why the Saudi story, which has been ready for 12 hours or so, wasn't posted yet? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*::Not particularly: I came to this discussion from seeing a post elsewhere, and so dealt with it first. If that story is still unposted when I come back online in half an hour, I will deal with it. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]])
*'''Comment''' Somewhat conflicted on this, though for clarity I'm neither opposing nor requesting a pull. Not in doubt that it's a significant building. But [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&oldid=619182203#.5BClosed.5D_ISIS_blows_up_Jonah.27s_tomb_in_Iraq this] was one of a [[Mosul#Persecution of religious and ethnic minorities and destruction of cultural sites|series of destructions in a very short space of time 2014]], and as can be seen from the wikilink there were also other highly significant buildings and structures destroyed thereafter, which to my knowledge were not posted. Aside from true but unrevealing answers such as [[WP:CCC]] and the question of which ones were nominated (after the response to the one in the diff it's hardly surprising that others weren't nominated), I'm basically curious as to what people feel makes this one stand out? I feel this is a better place to ask than the talk page as I'm basically trying to understand the merits of this particular successful nomination. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 08:02, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::I'm with you 100%. All three supports call this particular mosque "significant" but I can find no documentation/indication of that elsewhere. I have no idea if it is or not. I do find the site significant in re it's role in the bookends of IS history; the caliphate was declared here and it was the last major stronghold of IS in Iraq. [[Special:Contributions/159.53.174.140|159.53.174.140]] ([[User talk:159.53.174.140|talk]]) 14:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*SS on notability. Go with the alternate blurb, as the origins of the destruction are disputed. NB I've not yet checked the quality of the article --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) <small>Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]]</small> 15:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose/Pull''', not a big deal considering what ISIS has done before. And this is no UNESCO WHS. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 01:01, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''' article is of sufficient quality and properly updated.--[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 01:48, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Posted] International Dublin Literary Award ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = International Dublin Literary Award
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = JE Agualusa.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[José Eduardo Agualusa]]''' wins the [[International Dublin Literary Award]] for his novel ''[[A General Theory of Oblivion]]''.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = [[José Eduardo Agualusa]] wins the [[International Dublin Literary Award]] for his novel '''[[A General Theory of Oblivion]]'''.<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/jos%C3%A9-eduardo-agualusa-wins-100-000-international-dublin-literary-award-1.3127773 Irish Times]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = LukeSurl <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Stormy clouds <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = As with ''[[A Horse Walks Into a Bar]]'' last week, the award-winning book is currently a red-link. There are three candidates for what the bold link could be, [[International Dublin Literary Award]], [[José Eduardo Agualusa]] or [[A General Theory of Oblivion]].
| sign          = [[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 15:24, 21 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*Per ITNR, "Unless otherwise noted, the winner of the prize is normally the target article." so we unbold the book, and bold the author.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:32, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' the bio is in a very poor state, the book article needs to exist too.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - stub article for book created. I will work on expansion. Bio is still a mess though. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 17:31, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' ''[[A General Theory of Oblivion]]'' looks reasonably ok now, so I'd like to bold it instead and post the entry. Any objections? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 09:10, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:*I'd be okay with posting it if the background section were sourced. We can rely on the book itself for in-universe things like the plot, but I'm not happy doing that for anything that relates it to the real world. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 09:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{done}} to the best of my ability at least. The novel is heavily based on historical events and a true story per all RS's, so that section just gave a historical background to Angola c. 1970's, which has now been sourced. Additional links added also. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 12:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 12:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Suggest''' the image is now changed to the author, and ITNR instructions are updated to say we can change the target if no-one can be bothered to fix the real target. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:Added image to the Nom. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 12:59, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::As [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&diff=prev&oldid=786948149 I've said at WP:ERRORS], I'm not sure about the licensing of this image, and would welcome further thoughts from image experts. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 14:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The article about the author is a horror show when it comes to references...[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 20:58, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Con Sciacca ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Con Sciacca
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/alp-honours-former-minister-con-sciacca-20170621-gwvt42.html Brisbane Times]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Vivvt <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Canley 
| updater2      = Vivvt
| nom cmt       = Australian politician, Order of Australia 
| sign          = - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 12:18, 21 June 2017 (UTC) 
}}
*'''Support''' brief article but well sourced. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:35, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 13:21, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 16:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] Sorin Grindeanu removed as PM of Romania ====
{{archive-top|No consensus to post formed and outdated. '''Wait''' until the successor is appointed. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 19:24, 27 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sorin Grindeanu
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = Sorin Grindeanu, interview Feb 2015.jpg
| blurb         = A vote of no confidence in the [[Parliament of Romania]] removes [[Prime Minister of Romania|Prime Minister]] '''[[Sorin Grindeanu]]''' (pictured) from office. 
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40355210?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = LukeSurl <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Ousting of a sitting Prime Minister.
| sign          = [[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 11:05, 21 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*As far as I can tell, there is no immediate succession and the office is vacant until filled. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 11:14, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now, include in the inevitable blurb about the new Prime Minister of Romania. i.e. ''Following the ousting of [[Sorin Grindeanu]] in a no confidence vote, '''X''' becomes [[Prime Minister of Romania]'']. I feel this would be more apt. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 13:21, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Question''' &ndash; is he a time-limited lame duck waiting to be replaced (or to somehow consolidate his position?), or has he actually gone and the post vacant or being performed by someone else on a caretaker basis? And (appreciating this is asking a lot but making the point that consensus will be formed more quickly once this is clear) can sources be provided for the answer? In one case I would oppose as premature, in the other I would support. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 13:30, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:*{{ping|StillWaitingForConnection}} It's (as far as I can tell from English-language sources) the latter, the office is immediately vacant. None of the news reports I've seen mention a caretaker. Poltico report "[http://www.politico.eu/article/romania-sorin-grindeanu-pm-voted-out-of-office-by-own-party/ President Klaus Iohannis said he will begin talks with political groups on Monday to form another government.]" --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 13:56, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Someone has edited [[Prime Minister of Romania]] to say "Grindeanu will continue as ''acting'' Prime Minister" though they included no source and this isn't stated in anything I've read. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 13:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::*Appreciate the help. It certainly is confusing. Though I consider it unlikely that a system or constitution would specifically leave open the possibility that the country is without government of any kind, and therefore I presume that there is an objective answer. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 14:08, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:::*{{ping|StillWaitingForConnection}} I've been watching a fair bit of ''[[Yes Minister]]'' recently, and I'm reminded of the senior civil servant's line "A Minister's absence is a godsend! You can do the job properly for once." :) --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 14:25, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:::*I've asked the user who made these changes to provide a source. Nothing in any English-language news I can see mentions an acting Prime Ministerial role held by Grindeanu or anyone else in the interim, though I imagine Romanian press is covering this with more accuracy and detail. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 19:44, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::::*Obviously this issue needs to be cleared up before any ITN posting. ''Acting PM'' is a thing in Romania (last happened in 2015), so I expect this editor is correct, they have just not cited the (likely Romanian language) source for this information.  --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 19:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::::*My discussion with the editor is [[User_talk:SirHyde#Sorin_Grindeanu|here]]. I think they speak Romanian, but aren't familiar with en wiki's referencing policy. I've got to be busy today, so if someone else wants to pick up that thread that'd be great. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 10:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - This is not a normal transition of power, but the result of an ongoing struggle that included large protests that made ITN back in February. It's an interesting turn of events that I was completely unaware of until seeing this nom. And we could use some non-US/UK news on ITN.[[Special:Contributions/159.53.174.141|159.53.174.141]] ([[User talk:159.53.174.141|talk]]) 19:23, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*:Note: only 2 out of 5 blurbs relate to US/UK.  Cheers!  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' article needs work, referencing, updating, story is borderline in any case, but a super quality article might just swing it. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:46, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' this totally dominates Romanian news and is the climax of a week of crisis. I'd even argue this kind of event should be ITNR. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 05:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above. The article is good. - <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">[[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:black">'''Eugεn'''</span>]][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:gold">'''S¡m¡on'''</span>]]</span> 07:03, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose for now''' as despite efforts above, the current situation is as clear as mud to such an extent that the blurb's accuracy might be in question. Am not questioning importance. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 08:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose for now''' per Stormy. I too am not doubting the importance of this, but I recommend waiting until a new Prime Minister is put in and then making it one blurb for both the removal and the new PM. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 18:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] Prince Mohammed bin Salman ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Mohammad bin Salman<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Saudi Arabia's king deposes crown prince, promotes his son [[Mohammad bin Salman]] as successor<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = In Saudi Arabia, '''[[Mohammad bin Salman]]''' is appointed [[Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia|Crown Prince]] following the [[Salman of Saudi Arabia|king's]] deposition of [[Muhammad bin Nayef]].<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40351578 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Classicwiki<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Sign that things are changing since mostly men in 70s and 80s rule the country<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 07:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
<s>*'''Weak Oppose''' for now. Interesting development, and one which will have global ramifications given the country's diplomatic ties ad geopolitical position of importance. However, it is not a change in the head of state, and the article needs work to get up to snuff, so I'll oppose for now. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 08:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC)</s>
:Issues fixed, queries addressed, I will change to '''support''' - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 17:29, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' By convention, we only post changes in the head of state or government (whichever applies given the type of government), and not subordinate positions. I see no reason to make an exception in this case. Subordinate positions are routinely shuffled, and sometimes with much controversy, in governments across the world.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.53.104|128.214.53.104]] ([[User talk:128.214.53.104|talk]]) 10:50, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
**But this is a monarchy [[heir apparent]], not a normal democratic [[heir presumptive]]. I feel that that makes it different. [[User:Thue|Thue]] ([[User talk:Thue|talk]]) 13:04, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This being a monarchy, a person becoming [[heir apparent]] is the same as a person becoming [[President-elect of the United States]] of the united states. And we do post becoming a President-elect when it happens. [[User:Thue|Thue]] ([[User talk:Thue|talk]]) 13:04, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::True. However, this being a monarchy, the interim period is indefinite. The president-elect lies in wait in limbo for two months. Mohammad could be there for two decades. So, while the parallel is apt, I don't feel that we should equate them here. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 13:21, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Stormy clouds}} I understand the logic but believe posting a named successor is an appropriate way of bridging the difference between absolute monarchy and presidential or parliamentary democracies. In an absolute monarchy, the head of state will always die, abdicate or be overthrown, any of which would be an ITN story and therefore it's simply a moment of convenience to also mention the successor in that same blurb. Plus, as you point out, this could be years away, and therefore the risk of undue emphasis within a short space of time is relatively low. In democracies it is relatively rare for the leader to die in office, however more frequent that the leader of the country will change. Therefore I think the convention of naming a successor when selected, and including a mention of them during the death blurb of their predecessor, is an equitable way of handling these two extremely different forms of rule. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 13:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' this is a significant shift plus the article is in very good condition. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 13:15, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. By definition, in an absolute monarchy we would post a blurb for the death of a sitting head of state, and where the successor is pre-determined we would in the same blurb name the successor. Thus, to post this would not be inconsistent with how we handle democracies - post when the successor is known, and include information in other appropriate blurbs when there is an opportunity to do so. Combined with the fact that for him to be deposed or die would most likely in and of itself be ITN-worthy, there is logic to posting in this instance.<p>Whilst a bit cute about the language, we posted the point at which Kim Jong-un became heir apparant of North Korea (29 September 2010). If anything this is more significant to the wider world, given North Korea's isolationist and consistently provocative stance and Kim Jong-un seeming at the time to be very much in the mould of his father. I'd also note that accusations of Western bias have grown particularly acute over recent months, and while I don't condone the way in which these accusations have been made, they are not without merit. There have also been a disproportionate number of blurbs in recent months related to destruction and death, with ITN/Rs being the only real respite. Finally, the article is decent. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 13:25, 21 June 2017 (UTC)</p>
*'''Support''' - as regards notability the [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40351578 BBC's analysis] convinces me this is a fairly big deal in the power games of the country - and Saudi Arabia is a big and important country. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 15:36, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*Noting that I've added an image of Mohammad bin Salman to the protected main page images list, in case it is desired to post this with a picture. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 16:54, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''- Even at a simple level, this means bin Salman is now Saudi PM , effectively a change in leadership if we're trying to justify posting compared to other political changes. But I would think its clear that any change like this in the Saudi royal family has significant sway on the regions politics, much less the world. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 17:04, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - I don't agree with the rationale being posted here. a) He is not PM; the king is. He is deputy first PM. b) it is not similar to [[President-elect of the United States]], as that person has always (and absent extraordinary circumstances, will always) become President at a scheduled date. This is the third Crown Prince of Salman's two-year regency. It is far from given that he will be king. c) we very consciously ''do not'' post the designation AND inauguration of democratic leaders. The ITN/R rules should not come into play here, as they absolutely would be invoked if and when he becomes king. However, I would support posting if the change itself was of encyclopedic significance. I don't see it.[[Special:Contributions/159.53.78.140|159.53.78.140]] ([[User talk:159.53.78.140|talk]]) 17:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - "crown prince" / "heir apparent" is a notable position in a monarchy of this type, and a change in this is newsworthy.  It's not directly tied to the [[2017 Qatar diplomatic crisis]] or the [[2017 Riyadh Summit]], but as a news editor I see smoke. [[User:Power~enwiki|Power~enwiki]] ([[User talk:Power~enwiki|talk]]) 19:38, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Strongest possible support''' - very important development in the [[Islamic eschatology]]. This video explains it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUwCmGST5IQ [[Special:Contributions/65.95.136.96|65.95.136.96]] ([[User talk:65.95.136.96|talk]]) 20:04, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per LukeSurl. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 05:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. I have tweaked the blurb, to make the language more straightforward; comments are welcome. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 07:00, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Closed] Planet Nine ====
{{archive top|no consensus, and stale, as older than the oldest story now posted [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 01:02, 27 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Planet Nine
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = New analysis discovers a [[Bias (statistics)|bias]] in the evidence behind the '''[[Planet Nine]]''' hypothesis, disfavouring its existence
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.nature.com/news/solar-system-survey-casts-doubt-on-mysterious-planet-nine-1.22177] [https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/06/21/goodbye-planet-nine-new-and-better-data-strongly-disfavors-a-giant-world-beyond-neptune/#6fea1c8e60a3] [http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/new-haul-distant-worlds-casts-doubt-planet-nine] [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4626416/New-study-suggests-mysterious-Planet-9-DOESN-T-exist.html]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Banedon <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Tomruen
| updater2      = Agmartin
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Since we were brave / crazy enough to feature this in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2016#.5BPosted.5D_Planet_Nine January 2016] ...
| sign          = [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 05:57, 23 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Reluctant support'''. It's a disgrace that we posted it, and therefore we should follow through with the retraction. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 06:03, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
** This is confusing. What's a disgrace, and what needs retracting? This is science, not football instant replays. [[User:Tomruen|Tom Ruen]] ([[User talk:Tomruen|talk]]) 10:14, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
**From the [https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.05348 Shankman paper] mentioned in the news articles - "We conclude that the orbital distribution of the OSSOS sample is consistent with being detected from a uniform underlying angular distribution." Their conclusion reflects only their survey. They identified the biases in their survey and assume the other surveys are also biased, but those biases are unidentified and may or may not match those of their survey. This is brought up in the articles in Nature and Science. If this is mentioned In_the_news the article should reflect that. [[User:Agmartin|Agmartin]] ([[User talk:Agmartin|talk]]) 15:43, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
***Forgot this, a week ago this paper that attempted to identify biases and their effect also showed up on arxiv [https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.04175 Observational bias and the clustering of distant eccentric Kuiper belt objects] [[User:Agmartin|Agmartin]] ([[User talk:Agmartin|talk]]) 15:49, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
***@{{u|Tomruen}} I think SWFC means that it was a disgrace that we posted this in January 2016. Seems likely that this won't be featured in any case, given the glut of new blurbs. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 00:54, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
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== June 20 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2017 June 20]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2017 June 20}}
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==== [Closed] 2017 Brussels attack ====
{{archive top|Clear consensus against. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 07:05, 21 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Brussels attack
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = File:IMG 6013 Brussel-Centraal.JPG
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Rævhuld <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Rævhuld|Rævhuld]] ([[User talk:Rævhuld|talk]]) 22:58, 20 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''', not many details are known at this point, and it's just the new everyday occurrence in Europe anyway. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 23:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' No serious injuries to bystanders, and the culprit was immediately dealt with. Very much a non-starter of a story, shouldn't even have an article on it, much less ITN. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:16, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as per Masem. Pretty much just a [[suicide by cop]]. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 23:25, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Yet Another Terrorist Attack in Europe. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">[[User:The Wordsmith|'''The Wordsmith''']]</span><sup>[[User talk:The Wordsmith|Talk to me]]</sup> 23:51, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Belgium. Europe is far too broad for your pointiness. [[User:LordAtlas|LordAtlas]] ([[User talk:LordAtlas|talk]]) 00:04, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - It should not even have a standalone article, let alone be included at ITN, but of course enough editors will vote keep at an AfD anyways.[[User:TheGracefulSlick|TheGracefulSlick]] ([[User talk:TheGracefulSlick|talk]]) 00:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - This should go to AfD not here, does anyone want to nominate? - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 02:08, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*I oppose, but this "just another day in" stuff is offensive and thoughtless. [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 02:51, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:*[[List of terrorist incidents in June 2017|23 people died]] in terrorist attacks today. What's offensive is the [[2017 Finsbury Park attack|continued treatment]] of any European event as more noteworthy. When they were rare, this notion was disturbing. Now that they are not, it's indefensible.[[Special:Contributions/2602:306:8046:7B0:DC4:89CE:96BC:4160|2602:306:8046:7B0:DC4:89CE:96BC:4160]] ([[User talk:2602:306:8046:7B0:DC4:89CE:96BC:4160|talk]]) 03:22, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - No fatalities, no lasting impact or consequences. The [[Darwin Award]] contest is really heating up though... -[[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 06:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] RD: Prodigy ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Prodigy (rapper)
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/arts/music/prodigy-mobb-deep-dead.html NYT]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Thechased <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = MBlaze Lightning <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Thechased|Thechased]] ([[User talk:Thechased|talk]]) 20:41, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
}}
*<small>'''Comment''' As much as I like hip-hop, I thought [[The Prodigy|the band]] has dissolved. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>  20:58, 20 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' Large sections, including the whole of "Musical career", unsourced. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 21:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak oppose''' although now it's better sourced since it was nominated. Only two cn-tags there. The discography section needs some sources, and although the separate "Prodigy discography" page is well-sourced, it's only well-sourced in a few of its sections.</s> [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 02:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*<s>'''Comment''' - thought better of my vote, and changed to "weak oppose," instead of "weak support." Just a little under the quality threshold. I'll tag this "Attention Needed" in case an administrator comes along and the 2 cn-tags are fixed, and the discography section gets some citations. And maybe we can get it posted before it's stale.</s> [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 02:43, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Article is now well referenced, and ready to go.&mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 05:07, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' now that the most glaring problems seem to have been fixed. Nice work MBlaze Lightning. Will mark "Ready". [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 06:46, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - We need a status update or a decision on this from an Administrator: post it or explain why it's not ready, or close it out if it is "stale". And by-the-way, let me give a brief rant, and correct me if I'm wrong: this RD nomination is newer than both [[Brian Cant]] and  [[Otto Warmbier]], so this Prodigy nomination could have been switched out with one of those, couldn't it? As things now stand, that may not happen. Alas... [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 07:39, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*:Yes, it can, and it should be, so you might need to ping three or four admins to get some attention.  I'd try {{U|Vanamonde93}} as they're pretty helpful and around quite a bit. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:57, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
**thanks TRM, I'll do that. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 08:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
**If you have a moment, please resolve the status of this RD nomination. Any takers? ; ) {{ping|Bencherlite|Black Kite|Vanamonde93|Thryduulf|Cyclonebiskit|BorgQueen}}. Thank you. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 08:17, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' FWIW, this death was actually in my regular news, unlike pretty much anyone else that comes across RD, and the article has improved massively since nomination (thanks MBL!).[[Special:Contributions/128.214.53.104|128.214.53.104]] ([[User talk:128.214.53.104|talk]]) 08:13, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Hang on a moment''' sorry, {{U|Christian Roess}} and other folks. Saw the pings and came by to post, and went so far as to open the template in the edit window; but while glancing over the article, I found a large number of prose errors, which made me take a closer look; and I find some content without a source, and more worryingly, content not supported by a recently added source; which makes a lot of the rest of it also suspect. This needs more work; or perhaps an admin bolder than I. We still have a little time to post it; at the time of writing, there's two RDs that are older than this. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 09:43, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
**No need to apologize {{U|Vanamonde93}}. I saw your edits, and those are legitimate concerns you expressed. You are only doing what an administrator is ''supposed'' to do. And we certainly needed some other eyes on this ASAP, before the nomination went stale. So I say good job here. Thanks. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 11:23, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*The citation needed tags have been dealt with, can the article be posted now? &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 12:20, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*:MBlaze, with all due respect, you said once above that the issues had been dealt with; and I came to the article, and found several issues in a very short span of time. These issues included content not supported by the sources. So, I think it is reasonable for me to ask that somebody else checks over the article, particularly with respect to verifiability, before I post it. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 12:27, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*::I've only looked at the "Early life" section and I found at least one instance of failed verification (now tagged). I've run out of time to check the rest of the article, but given that finding and Vanamonde93's comments, the whole article does need to be checked before posting. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 14:04, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Ok, we now have a status update from reliable administrators. This article still '''Needs Attention.''' As I go through the sourcing, some of the url's are already decomposing (link rot). They're not pointing to the original source, as Thryduulf has noted. Meanwhile, I notice that MBlaze Lightning is still working on fixing those, even as I'm writing this comment. Also, as Vanamonde points out, there are grammatical and prose inconsistencies that are showing up. Of course, the article is still in a "fluid" editing situation, maybe because Prodigy continues to be a controversial and "galvanizing" figure even in death (hundreds of edits by dozens of different editors in the last 4 days,). And so that can account for some of the editing & sourcing inconsistencies that plague the article. Of course, my apologies for some of the things I surely missed or overlooked. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 15:31, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
:*MBlaze Lightning and I have made some good progress on the article, addressing the latest problems that were brought to our attention. Anyhow, looks to be close to a "Ready" status. Although they're corrected, it's always good to have someone to double-check that the sources are cited accurately. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 18:35, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' I think this is good enough now, and although I commented above, I opposed, so I think I'm OK to post it.  Any other admin may revert this without discussing it with me - it's midnight here. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:55, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Removed] Grenfell Tower - remove from ongoing?====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Grenfell Tower fire<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = rem<!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Stormy clouds <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Nomination submitted by [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]], template filled by [[User:Stormy clouds]].<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:56, 20 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
Before I'm shot down here, I want to make the point that I was the ''very'' first person to weigh in on the initial nomination and make the point that it was out of the ordinary, and therefore should not be opposed despite the nomination being premature. I'm not in any doubt as to how huge the incident was, the unexpected nature of the event, or the ongoing struggles that the survivors are facing. 

That said, Bencherlite suggested below the original nomination that this be nominated for removal if there were disagreement in its being moved from ITN to ongoing. I can certainly see why the move to ongoing was made &ndash; the story is very high profile, there is still discontent among those in the immediate area about the support being received from the government and council, and the incident is still making news headlines albeit to a far lesser extent. I also have no objection to the boldness of the action.

However, despite my personal support for the victims &ndash; including those victims who are still alive and their families &ndash; I don't see on what grounds the incident itself can be considered ongoing, save for the fact that the police have stated it could take weeks to go through the building thoroughly. I would contrast this to for instance a set of deadly wildfires lasting several weeks, where the actual incident itself - the fires - are still ongoing after the story is bumped by four to six newer events. My concern is that we risk setting a precident whereby the ongoing section is seen as a test of super-importance (a test that Grenfell Tower would undoubtedly pass I should note). [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 16:18, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Remove''' - This is not an ongoing story. Period. The fire is out.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 16:20, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - the right time for this to possibly return to ITN would be when the conclusions of the inquiry are published (that is a very long way off). That is the point at which there might be major news headlines again (though it will stay in the headlines in the UK for the next few weeks). The Finsbury Park incident is not in the news any more and was never likely to stay in the news for long (am still puzzled why that went up in the first place). Slightly related question: if the blurb entry on Helmut Kohl drops off before the usual 7 days for an RD item, would that be moved to RD? And does the same sort of criterion apply to ongoing? (i.e. is ongoing for items that drop off too quickly while they are still in the news, or is ongoing for stuff that goes on for weeks and months?) [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 16:47, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Remove''' - the fire is out, so it is no longer an ongoing development. The only major ITN-worthy story to come from the fire will be the death toll, which may rise as the ruins are searched, or the demolition of the tower. Neither will happen soon, with both taking many weeks if not months, so an ongoing placement is not warranted. I did support for blurb, but ongoing is not being correctly applied here in my view. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:56, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Remove''' I made this point below, after seeing it had been  moved, but was unable to follow up. The fire is out. The political fallout continues, but that is not (yet) ITN worthy. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 17:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Remove'''. Following on from [[user:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]]'s point, I'd say Ongoing is for (a) stories that have incremental updates over a period of time, none of which are necessarily ITN-worthy on their own but together clearly are (the Olympics, major battles of attrition, extensive forest fires, etc), and (b) items that are still major news ''and'' are still getting updates about developments after the blurb has aged off the main section. If it is not clear whether a story is over when the blurb gets bumped off then adding it to ongoing pending discussion is the right thing to do. In this case, the main news has happened and there is nothing now but ongoing investigations, political fallout and simmering discontent that does not (yet) rise to the level of ITN, but if (when?) it blows up (hopefully figuratively) ongoing would hamper that event getting a blurb. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 17:20, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
:*I would say that I agree with this point. It's unquestionably within an admin's discretion to assume that something of this nature is ongoing provided that there's a credible argument, given the existing consensus that it's Main Page worthy. Here, consensus subsequently turned out against, but there was definitely a credible argument to the contrary and was no need to bureaucratically ask, the onus was on providing a consensus to remove. I also sadly agree that at some point in the future Grenfell Tower is likely to return to ITN.<p>All that being true, this was handled in a textbook way by everyone. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 13:46, 21 June 2017 (UTC)</p>
*Removed. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 18:19, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 19 ==
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====RD: Zoltan Sarosy ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Zoltan Sarosy
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://en.chessbase.com/post/zoltan-sarosy-chess-master-passes-away-at-110]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Sagittarian Milky Way<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = 
| updater2      =
| nom cmt       = He was a 110 year old chess master (the world's oldest)
| sign          = [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 02:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
}}
*'''Weak oppose''' Some sections are in need of sources. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 04:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' barely above stub.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:25, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

==== RD: Mustafa Tlass ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Mustafa Tlass
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://www.islahhaber.net/onbinlerce-muslumanin-katili-oldu-150890.html Islah Haber]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = TDKR Chicago 101<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = 
| updater2      =
| nom cmt       = Well-Known Syrian politician who served as its defense minister for nearly three decades. Article well sourced.
| sign          = --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 04:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' in principle, but there are some rather exceptional statements that still do not have sources. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 08:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' seems ok now.  G2G. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:17, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I've just tagged some a good half dozen places where a citation is missing or where it is unclear whether it is covered by a citation or not. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 18:35, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Posted] RD: Otto Warmbier ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Otto Warmbier
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = {{cite news|title=Otto Warmbier, US student sent home from N Korea, dies|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40335169|accessdate=19 June 2017|work=BBC|date=19 June 2017}}
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Zigzig20s <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 20:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose''' we don't need the whole memorial thing, his death can be covered in one sentence, not paragraphs of quotes.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:02, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' There's cleanup to do , like the lengthy blockquote, but aside from one "who?", it's fairly complete for posting. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 21:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:*I have removed the lengthy blockquote, replacing it with a one-sentence summary. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 21:16, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:*I should note I '''support RD only''' Unless this cases an international incident, there's nothing much special about it. (Arguably, this is a case of [[WP:BLP1E]] - he was not notable before, and it is the imprisonment and his coma/death that made him newsworthy, but that's neither here or there right now). --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 22:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*I believe the article is adequate for a RD item in its current state. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 21:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Any undue emphasis on reactions looks to have been removed and the article appears to meet our standards for posting. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:40, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*Should this be considered for a blurb? I'm not claiming Mandela-level importance or anything, but the story here isn't just his death, but his death after being held captive by North Korea (and presumably mistreated, although I don't think anyone has confirmed this yet). An RD listing is underselling it a bit, in my opinion. I understand that RDs are automatic and blurbs are precious, but I think similar allowances have been made in the past when the actual death of the person in question is more of a story than their life or career was. Do what you will, it's just something I thought may be worth considering. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 21:46, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support RD only''' - this is a tricky situation, in that this story is in the news because of his captivity in North Korea (which he derived his notability from). He has died shortly after returning to the US under ''suspicious'' circumstances. As far as I can see, the only blurb pertinent to this person would be a blurb directly implicating North Korea in his death (something with large, long-lasting international consequence). However, while one would tend to suspect it given North Korea's history, it is unproven so violates [[WP:CRYSTAL]] - if North Korea can be implicated for his death with encyclopedic information, then blurb. Otherwise, RD only. Article looks fine. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 22:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:*It is the '''assumed''' abuse at the hand's of his captors that makes this man's death noteworthy. Every headline reporting his death makes the NK connection without directly implicating them; so too could our blurb.[[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 22:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::*We are an encyclopedia, so we have inherently less space for assumptions, ''especially'' against soviergn states and '' '''especially''' '' on the main page. -[[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 22:52, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:::*My point was not that we should assume facts, but that the assumption of facts by certain parties is a story. John McCain has called it murder; if Trump follows suit, or there is any substantive official reaction, I would support a blurb. - [[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 02:20, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
::::*In this day and age, words of condemnation ring hollow and do not have the weight of "official action" that they used to.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 12:23, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support RD only''', looks good enough, but I don't think it merits a blurb. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 02:40, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 05:50, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Brian Cant ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Brian  Cant<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Mjroots <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = MBlaze Lightning<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Notable British Children's TV presenter. Some minor referencing work needed.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 18:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Strong oppose''' awful article, no sorrow here. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:14, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now. Needs work including significant gaps in referencing. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:29, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' lacking references and very bitty in places. '''[[User:Aiken drum|Aiken D]]''' 22:07, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is now well referenced, and ready to go. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 06:45, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article well sourced. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 06:55, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 18:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Closed] 2017 Champs-Élysées car ramming attack====
{{archive-top|Clear consensus against posting. Possible headway on this year's [[Darwin Award]] winner, though, so take the positives. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 21:34, 19 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Champs-Élysées car ramming attack
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = 
| recent deaths =  <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       =  <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = 
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     =  <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          =  <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">[[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:black">'''Eugεn'''</span>]][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:gold">'''S¡m¡on'''</span>]]</span> 18:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' It should be included.
*'''Conditional support'''. This needs to be expanded first. Also, this is another failed attack--maybe we shouldn't post those?[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 19:00, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on expansion. Yawn, another vehicular attack in Europe, when are they going to pass meaningful vehicle control laws?? --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 19:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::: Do you really have to "prove a point" every time something like this comes up? To even compare gun control and vehicle related things... just cut it out. It only makes you look bad and does not help your point one bit. The contrary more like. [[Special:Contributions/91.49.68.181|91.49.68.181]] ([[User talk:91.49.68.181|talk]]) 19:39, 19 June 2017 (UTC)  
::::And actually there is a massive difference between a country being targeted by terrorists and one who actively enables its population to arm itself to the teeth and rampage, daily.  For context, in the last week, 14 people have been killed and 41 injured in mass shootings in the US. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:49, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' On any other day, I would agree this is ITN. However, unlike more recent incidents in the UK, here we have what seems to be an rather ineffective result - the attempted attacker was killed quickly and no injuries or damage to civilians. That makes it a non-story in light of what else is going on. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 19:07, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': Very short article, only casualty is the perpetrator. In France especially, there seem to have been relatively a lot of these type of attacks which cause no fatalities except sometimes the perpetrator: [[2017 Notre Dame attack]], [[Notre Dame Cathedral bombing attempt]], [[Louvre machete attack]], [[March 2017 Île-de-France attacks]]...  [[User:Anarcho-authoritarian|Anarcho-authoritarian]] ([[User talk:Anarcho-authoritarian|talk]]) 19:13, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' idiot made idiotic attempt and failed, epically.  Perhaps a [[Darwin Award]]?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' due to article quality (still a stub) and the fact that he caused no injuries.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 19:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' – Passing incident of meager import. Suggest close. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 20:44, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' TRM beat me to it. This should be a nomination for a Darwin Award, not ITN. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:24, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

* '''Oppose''' - No fatalities, no political motivations, no religious targeting, no lasting consequences, no ITN listing. I would also advocte closure, though I am not averse to the idea of a [[Darwin Award]]. Can we make a barnstar for it? <small>''Pleeeeeeease?''</small> - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 21:28, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

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====[Closed] [Posted] Finsbury Park incident ====
{{archive top|Posted and will remain so.  The arguments against posting are/were (1) an IP saying that the article was not sufficiently developed (not now relevant); (2) a comment that this was not a terrorist attack (well, it's being treated as one by police since it strongly appears to be a targeted attack on Muslims); (3) an argument that it was routine for London (not an argument that commanded support); (4) - and this was the main argument - that the same incident elsewhere in the world would not be posted and so it is trivial / lacking appropriate newsworthiness.  The stronger arguments are the counter-arguments, namely that (a) newsworthiness will inevitably include a degree of location specificity i.e. what is newsworthy in London may not be so in a capital city elsewhere in the world and vice versa, and (b) ITN has traditionally be able to tell the difference between the trivial e.g. the Kardashian family's exploits and the appropriate e.g. a UK terrorist attack specifically targeting Muslims when the UK does not have a history of such attacks. Comparisons between events that were or were not posted is not always terribly helpful, since ITN can only work on the consensus of those who participate in any particular discussion, ITN does not run on a formal system of precedent (outside ITNR), and a failure to post can in some circumstances be explained by the absence of a nomination or a decent article.  Overall, my view is that sufficient time has elapsed for discussion and that the consensus here, involving number and quality of arguments, is in favour of keeping this posted.  Participants are welcome to discuss the general question of ITN's approach to stories in different countries but not under this heading, thank you. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 18:17, 21 June 2017 (UTC)}}

{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Finsbury Park attack
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Multiple persons are injured when a vehicle '''[[2017 Finsbury Park attack|runs down]]''' pedestrians outside a London mosque.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Ad Orientem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Obviously this is a developing story/incident but if it turns out to be terrorism and especially if there are fatalities, I would expect this will end up being posted. For now I suggest waiting until we know a bit more before posting. 
| sign          = [[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 03:55, 19 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*<s>'''Wait''' I think we should wait until more information on the incident has been confirmed or updated such as if this was actually and incident or attack. Must await for more information to come in. Afterwards</s> '''Support''' from me. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 04:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Now clear this is a significant incident attracting international attention and different reactions from government and society. [[User:AusLondonder|AusLondonder]] ([[User talk:AusLondonder|talk]]) 05:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*<s>'''Wait'''. The impression I am getting from early reports is that this was a potential lone wolf terrorist attack ''targetting'' Muslims. If this is the case then clearly this is huge news worthy of posting, given the rarity of us posting stories where Muslims were not only victims within an indiscriminately targetted group, but specifically the targets, of terrorism. If this is not the case then it's just a man driving into a group of people with a tragic outcome. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 05:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)</s> Switched to support [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 15:01, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - A part of me wonders whether we'll eventually have a "yet ''another'' terrorist attack in the UK?" kind of reaction similar to what happens with US shootings. Leaning towards support regardless, given the wide coverage. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 05:53, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
**{{replyto|Banendon}} I really hope it does not get to that stage, not least as a resident of London, but we are not there yet. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 07:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until more details emerge, and the article has more content. Right now the article is quite short, only start class IMO. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk)]] 06:33, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*Also, the page has moved to [[2017 Finsbury Park attack]] now, so links should be changed. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk)]] 06:34, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' there's nothing much to wait for.  One dead, nearly a dozen injured, a man shouting "kill all Muslims" arrested, no-one else suspected, no other crimes to report, article is more than adequate. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:06, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. A racially (or religiously)-motivated terrorist in London by a white man against Muslims - there will be a massive amount of attention on how the government and others deal with this compared to how they've have dealt with previous attacks. This is absolutely significant, and the reports are stable enough now to post imo. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 07:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. I really wish we had decent enough coverage of similar incidents outside Europe to be able to post those and avoid continuing the Europe/US ITN monopoly; the protests in East India, and the bomb in Colombia, come to mind. But that is no reason to ignore this incident. Decent article. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 07:21, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The article is not great, and contains little more information than what can be gleaned from headlines.  A full third of the wordcount is used in the "Reactions" section, even more than is dedicated to describing the event itself.  There really needs to be more to this article before it goes up.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.166|128.214.69.166]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.166|talk]]) 08:48, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' sadly this sort of thing will continue until Europe implements some meaningful vehicle control laws. --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 09:59, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{reply|CosmicAdventure}} If you could base your !vote on policies please, it would be appreciated going into the future.  &mdash; [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''O Fortuna'''</span>]][[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:navy"><sup>''''' semper crescis, aut decrescis'''''</sup></span>]] 10:44, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Might CosmicAdventure have been parodying gun control advocates? [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 19:33, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: He has been "parodying" that on three of four different nominations now to prove a point of european bias or something. It is rather ridiculous and distasteful in my oppinon, almost blatant trolling even, but if that is how he wants to act then that is up to him. [[Special:Contributions/91.49.68.181|91.49.68.181]] ([[User talk:91.49.68.181|talk]]) 23:33, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I know that the news media likes to hype terrorist/hate crimes, but with only one dead, I don't see this attack as particularly important. [[User:AQFK|AQFK]] ([[User talk:AQFK|talk]]) 12:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Although it's crass irony, I can see what CosmicAdventure is driving at (no pun intended). This is becoming a frequently common occurrence in Western Europe; almost approaching the level of mass shootings in the USA. We're going to have to start applying more discretion to posting these stories.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 12:21, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:*I completely agree, but the motive behind this one in my opinion makes it too difficult to do it this time. That this was a terrorist attack specifically targetting non-Muslims overrides what I would otherwise agree is a justifiable reason to oppose, on the basis that while we're posting too many UK terror attacks. But I can't recall us ever posting a terrorist attack specifically targetting Muslims, anywhere, relative to the frequency with which it might happen. Certainly if I'm mistaken it's extremely rare that we do. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 15:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. What is important is not the number of dead (it's reported that the person who died at the scene was already receiving first aid before the attack so it may be unrelated) but the apparently deliberate targeting of Muslims, which is a new development. The article is adequate. (And can I say it's a sad state of affairs when we need a disambiguation page for "June 2017 London attack.")--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 12:24, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I appreciate the various arguments that have been put forward but we have posted quite a few UK-based stories on ITN lately. A disproportionately high number, it seems. At the same time, I don't necessarily think that this is a major incident (only one fatality, for instance) and must ask, had this event happened in another, perhaps developing country, would we be reporting on it here? I also disagree with the statement that the deliberate attacking of Muslims is a new development in Britain; it isn't, there have been a wide range of attacks on mosques, Muslims, and those (mistakenly) believed to be Muslims in the UK during this century. [[User:Midnightblueowl|Midnightblueowl]] ([[User talk:Midnightblueowl|talk]]) 13:08, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' A racially motivated attack as this appears to be is likely going to be ITN regardless of whether it happened, UK, US, or wherenot, and as it seems this appears connected as a reaction to the previous 3 terrorist events in UK, highlights it more. Article is fine (in a previous version, I think it had unnecessarily language about the questionable past of the mosque but that's been removed save for a specific reaction comment). --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:14, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose'''. -  Not a terrorist attack. This is part of London violence almost daily routine. [[2017 Bogota bombing]] - no article (3 deaths). Just saying. <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">[[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:black">'''Eugεn'''</span>]][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:gold">'''S¡m¡on'''</span>]]</span> 13:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:*The suggestion that this is not a terrorist attack is factually incorrect. I fail to see your point as far as the redlink is concerned. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 15:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' Not a major incident. It happened in London and apparently we're considering posting it here. If it happened in Mogadishu, would we be having the same conversation? We might not even have heard about it. Only one person died; not significant.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 13:23, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
**{{reply|User:Zigzig20s}} If this happened in Mogadishu and received worldwide attention then yes I would consider it as it is in the news globally. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 13:48, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:::But it wouldn't. My point is that we should be careful and not become a parody of the globalized elite that some of us are. This is not a major incident.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::::If this had only made a side column on a few major news websites then yes I would agree with you. This story though has made it to the front on multiple sources. I don't think I am going to change your mind but as I said in the news means in the news and this is defiantly front and center. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 14:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC) 
::::::Kim Kardashian gets many headlines too. That's not an argument, I'm sorry. No one, or potentially only one person, died. Not a major incident.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 18:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose/wait''' According to the BBC [http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40323769], it isn't yet even established that the sole casualty died from the attack as he was already being given first aid on the ground before being run over. The police will now establish a causality link between it. Frankly, one possible casualty is not notable enough for the mainpage, but I could see it becoming more important if the attacker for example is a part of some far-right group for example. But that depends on when the police is releasing information on the attacker. --[[User:Pudeo|Pudeo]] ([[User talk:Pudeo|talk]]) 13:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::We're an encyclopedia. Not an identity politics sensationalistic blog. I still don't think it would make it significant.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 13:38, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Your comments immediately above are in and of themselves identity politics. Now, I have no problem with that, except that opposition to the idea is fundamental to your opposition of opposing this story. It completely undermines the basis of your argument. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 15:00, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I cant believe there are editors here saying that this isn't a terrorist attack, this runs against everything that has been in the reliable sources. As far as a death count goes again what is the threshold for the number of people dead? Some of you cite this as a reason to oppose but this treads into a gray area... is a story approved for ITN with 5 deaths?.... 10?.... 15? ... 20+? It isn't a good idea/factor in my opinion. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 13:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::It's a terrorist attack and a major incident in the eyes of the authorities, who I would argue are in a better place to make such judgments than the armchair pundits around here.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 13:49, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': if this had happened in Africa, Asia or South America, there wouldn't even be an article - let alone a debate about whether or not to feature it on the main page. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 14:48, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::Fact is, it did not happen in Africa, Asia, or South America. This occurred in Europe, which is generally thought of as having more capable security forces and where these incidents used to be rare. European incidents also have a higher quality and quantity of news coverage that allows for creating better articles. I don't really see how your oppose is relevant. [[User:Mamyles|Mamyles]] ([[User talk:Mamyles|talk]]) 14:56, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:::My oppose is very relevant because far worse things that are more notable than this happen every day. We're already far too centred on Europe and North America. News coverage doesn't make it important. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 20:05, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::::"News coverage doesn't make it important." not true, news coverage absolutely does make it important and underpins the very reason for the existence of ITN.  Don't confuse your interpretation of systemic bias with items that are globally notable (as evidenced by worldwide media coverage).  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:13, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Many trivial things receive a huge amount of media coverage. If news coverage were what determined ITN, we'd have featured many stories about the Kardashian family. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 21:50, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support'''. I'm conscious of the fact that that there have been four terror attacks in England in 3 months and we have posted the other three, and I'm quite confident that I supported all three. It's a rate at which I do not think we would consider for any country other than the US, noting that the US has roughly 6 times the population. I have the integrity to point out that I'm conscious of the risk of inherent bias on my own part. I'm also conscious of the fact that the three terrorist attacks we posted all featured a significantly higher number of fatalities. I can therefore completely see how some might come to the conclusion that this incident does not cut the mustard.<p>However, the fact that this was a terrorist attack specifically targetted at Muslims to my knowledge sets it aside from any incident that we've actually posted. Some of the opponents make the point that attacks on Muslims are not as rare as is being portrayed. When was the last one we posted? Are we systemically under-representing the issue? Has there been a higher profile one than this of late? [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 14:59, 19 June 2017 (UTC)</p>
*'''Support''' You do not get these kinds of incidents in London every other day, plus now clear the attack was politically motivated as "a response" to the London attack, and is being investigated by the  [[Counter Terrorism Command]]. Taken in its context, this event is of major political significance, just as the [[Quebec City mosque shooting]], which was also posted. [[User:Tachfin|Tachfin]] ([[User talk:Tachfin|talk]]) 15:41, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*<s>'''Another attack?''' There are breaking news reports of an attack at a London underground station with multiple stab victims... WTH is going on over there? London is starting to sound like a downright dangerous place.</s> -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:28, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::Disregard. This appears to have been either a false alarm or a hoax (thank God). -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 17:14, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - I distinctly remember a story with no fatalities getting posted due to political motivations. This is no different in my eyes. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:34, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
**Wait, this attack targeted conservative MPs? Please let me know the [[WP:MINIUMUMDEATHS]] to make a story "ITN worthy" for you. --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 17:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::: It is the political motivations rather than the death toll which make this notable. That was my point - if a politically/religiously motivated attack with no fatalities gets posted on notability, this item is equally valid for inclusion (article quality assuming - and the article's fine). An attack in a major city is news all by itself - an attack targeting a specific religion is ''big'' news, and is suitable for ITN (see the aforementioned [[Quebec City mosque shooting]]). Also, please [[WP:AGF|AGF]], as I am not the only proponent of the [[WP:MINIMUMDEATHS]] rationale here. Besides, I am advocating actively against it here - ''I am in '''support'''.'' - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 17:34, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', Terrorism in London? Nowadays it's as surprising as explosions in Aleppo. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 16:41, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:*The problem with that is this is how you feel, it cant explain the widespread worldwide coverage. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 17:43, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::* Actually, not at all, it's just that violence in London is now commonplace. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 23:14, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. This was a terrorist, politically-motivated attack. Having one or zero deaths hasn't stopped other attacks from being posted, like [[2017 Congressional baseball shooting]] where the only death (to date) was the perpetrator. [[User:Funcrunch|Funcrunch]] ([[User talk:Funcrunch|talk]]) 18:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose''', the rationale "but this time it happened in X!!!" is exactly the kind of bias we usually rail against here. We need to be more conscious of proximity bias; if you live in the UK, sure it's going to seem like a huge story. But the actual facts are not spectacular. [[User:GreatCaesarsGhost|GreatCaesarsGhost]] ([[User talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|talk]]) 19:00, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - I'm going to say my piece, and won't be drawn into any arguments about my oppose. Arguing on this page with those who don't share your view is borderline childish and petty, as seen above. The event is notable enough to warrant an article, but it is well below the threshold of notability to deserve posting on the Main Page. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 19:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Strongest support''' per above. [[Special:Contributions/65.95.136.96|65.95.136.96]] ([[User talk:65.95.136.96|talk]]) 20:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - The [[2016 Ansbach bombing]] in Germany injured 15 people and was [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/July 2016#.5BClosed.5D 2016 Ansbach bombing|not posted]]. The [[2016 Würzburg train attack]], also in Germany, in which 5 people were injured, doesn't even [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&oldid=730688838 seem to have been nominated]. Both are labelled terrorist attacks. --[[User:Njardarlogar|Njardarlogar]] ([[User talk:Njardarlogar|talk]]) 20:34, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' 170 people and counting have been killed by Mussie terrorism in the past week.  Have we posted 170 blurbs for those victims?  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/208.54.86.233|208.54.86.233]] ([[User talk:208.54.86.233#top|talk]]) 20:37, 19 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*:If by "Mussie" you mean "Muslim", then no, we haven't seen 170 people noted here in the past week "killed by Mussie terrorism".  The worst event this last week was the fire in the London building, and that has not been attributed to any terrorist activity.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''', unusual incident, in that the targets were Muslim. Also, there is canvassing in racist boards elsewhere on the internet to oppose this nomination. <span style="font-family:Cambria;">[[User:Abductive|<span style="color:teal;">'''Abductive'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]])</span> 00:27, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
::There have been many anti-Muslim attacks. It's not unusual - and even if it were, that wouldn't justify its inclusion. Many crimes are unusual in some way. There's nothing that makes this an important crime - it's publicised much more than it needs to be because it's the sort of event that the media love to report in depth. There is usually less real news in summer, so that's increased the coverage even more. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 01:08, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Exactly.  Most victims of terrorist attacks are Muslim.  Posting this just shows our cultural bias.  [[User:A Quest For Knowledge|A Quest For Knowledge]] ([[User talk:A Quest For Knowledge|talk]]) 17:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: Not really, because this is an unusual attack - non-Muslim on Muslims in a Western country - indeed, it might be unique.  Also, as posted above, there is persistent canvassing on racist noticeboard to ''not'' post this (per a couple of comments above, at least), so I think it's a good thing that we have. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:26, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::'''Pull'''. Being unusual doesn't make it ITN-worthy. Attacks by non-Muslims against Muslims aren't rare - it's just unusual for them to be in the form of a vehicle-ramming attack. We don't decide what to post based on what people on forums (supposedly) want. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 12:37, 21 June 2017 (UTC) 
*'''Posted'''--[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 03:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' So, are we going to post a blurb for every murder? [[User:A Quest For Knowledge|A Quest For Knowledge]] ([[User talk:A Quest For Knowledge|talk]]) 17:13, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
**No. Almost no murders have encyclopaedia articles which is an absolute pre-requisite for appearing on ITN. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 17:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' and pull. While tragic, doesn't have the high level impact (death toll, impact on policy, etc.) to merit a blurb on ITN. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 18:41, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

*'''Pull''' Convention is to explain the decision to post when consensus is not clear. [[User:Pudeo|Pudeo]] explicitly asked Jayron32 [[User_talk:Jayron32#2017_Finsbury_Park_attack|to elaborate on this, but was rebuffed.]]  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2602:306:8046:7B0:60AE:F26A:C9F6:4AC2|2602:306:8046:7B0:60AE:F26A:C9F6:4AC2]] ([[User talk:2602:306:8046:7B0:60AE:F26A:C9F6:4AC2#top|talk]]) 03:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*'''Pull''' As I said, the news media likes to over-hype terrorist/hate crimes, but doesn't mean that we have to over-hype it, too.  With not single confirmed fatality, this attack isn't of any particularly significance.  And no, this attack is not unique.  There are lots of hate crimes against Muslims in Western countries.  
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:Posting this just demonstrates our cultural bias.  Because it happened in a Western country predominately populated by white people, it gets put on the front page of Wikipedia.  If this had happened in a non-Western country predominately populated with brown people, there probably wouldn't even be an article about such a non-event, let alone front page coverage.  Posting this is just another sad example of [[Wikipedia:Systemic bias]].  [[User:A Quest For Knowledge|A Quest For Knowledge]] ([[User talk:A Quest For Knowledge|talk]]) 10:45, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Pull''' It had / has had no immediate broader impact.  &mdash; [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''O Fortuna'''</span>]][[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:navy"><sup>''''' semper crescis, aut decrescis'''''</sup></span>]] 11:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Pull''' There is only one death, no consensus here anyway, and I can't see a reason for posting this when we didn't post the US congressmen shooting or the Brussels attack. [[Special:Contributions/2.102.184.54|2.102.184.54]] ([[User talk:2.102.184.54|talk]]) 11:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:*The [[2017 Congressional baseball shooting]] was posted. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 11:19, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Ah alright, I was also wrong about the death from this story too, apparently the person had already collapsed and was receiving first aid. An attack that causes a few injuries shouldn't be on the front page, unless something makes it very notable like an attack on congressmen. [[Special:Contributions/2.102.184.54|2.102.184.54]] ([[User talk:2.102.184.54|talk]]) 11:32, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Don't pull''' try defeating this kind of perceived bias by '''nominating more stories which can push this one off'''.  Right now if we remove this story ITN looks dismal on the main page.  Just removing this kind of thing is '''not''' the way to restore parity to under-represented areas of the news.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:18, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::I don't think we need to pretend something is notable because ITN isn't looking juicy, fewer stories are better than stories than aren't notable and are out of place. [[Special:Contributions/2.102.184.54|2.102.184.54]] ([[User talk:2.102.184.54|talk]]) 11:32, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:::We're not pretending it's notable.  It ''is'' notable, or did you nominate the article for deletion?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:34, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Notable enough for ITN anyway. If we posted every terror attack we'd be updating ITN every day. We're more discerning and only choose the most notable. A few injuries on the general public doesn't cut the mustard. [[Special:Contributions/2.102.184.54|2.102.184.54]] ([[User talk:2.102.184.54|talk]]) 11:42, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::Well wouldn't it be great if we had so many quality articles that we could update ITN every day!  That would be brilliant.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:00, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Pull''' Still not a sufficiently major incident for the main page. No consensus to post this.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 11:35, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' where were all these "pull" voters when we had the [[2017 Congressional baseball shooting]] posted?  Only the perp died there, and only six injured.  Funny how we have our own bias here, anti-UK story, pro-US story.  And we all know which one will have longer lasting impact... [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:02, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::That shouldn't have been posted either. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 12:37, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:::The point is that once the admin had made the bold decision to post it, not one single editor made any fuss at all.  Curious, eh?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:44, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::::The notability on the Congressional shooting was that a senior Congressional leader was shot. The supposed notability here is that this substantially rises above the scores of hate crimes against Muslims that occur in the UK every week. Without a single fatality attributed to the attack, how can you make that case? It is clearly bias for you, as a Brit, to criticize a US story by omitting the very factor that made that story notable (and you do so to support a UK article with no such notability). Every single opposition to posting that story made the same mistake, which the admin(s) rightfully choose to disregard. [[Special:Contributions/159.53.174.141|159.53.174.141]] ([[User talk:159.53.174.141|talk]]) 14:10, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Seriously, do you need me to link the number of mass shootings that take place in the US with fatalities most of the time?  That this was a '''failed''' attempt to actually kill someone reduces its notability to practically zero.  And no, people don't drive vehicles into Muslims in the UK.  Ever.  That has ''never'' happened.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 14:21, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::So your case is that what makes this notable is that a car was used? Fine, argue THAT on the merits. And what made the other case notable is the highest ranked American politician getting shot since Reagan in '81. [[Special:Contributions/159.53.46.143|159.53.46.143]] ([[User talk:159.53.46.143|talk]]) 16:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I'm afraid a lot of people are shot every single day in the US.  It's not common to be ploughed down by a vehicle because you're a Muslim ''anywhere''.  17:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' It is not in my opinion appropriate to call for an article to be pulled when you have already expressed opposition to posting. The at-a-glance post-posting reaction above is misleading at best. In the spirit of AGF I will not describe what it is at worst, on this particular occasion. To pull in such circumstances would be to actively encourage such behavior. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 14:18, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*:Yes, it most cases it's simply sour grapes. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 14:21, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*:I disagree on your main point, but comments should be limited to the posting objection (no consensus) and not the merits of notability. [[Special:Contributions/159.53.46.143|159.53.46.143]] ([[User talk:159.53.46.143|talk]]) 16:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*::Then you should be petitioning the posting admin who ''assessed'' consensus and arrived at a conclusion ''in disagreement'' with your own personal view of consensus.  Perhaps the admin didn't simply count votes, or perhaps he used the principles of ITN to assist him (e.g. news people would be looking for, decent article quality etc).  Who knows?  Did you ask him?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 17:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

*'''Pull''' There was '''no''' consensus to post this at the time it was posted. [[User:TL565|TL565]] ([[User talk:TL565|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*:There ''was'' a consensus, per the posting admin's assessment.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 17:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' for those claiming "no consensus to post", what about the "no consensus to post" at [[2017 Congressional Baseball shooting]]?  And what about the distinct lack of "pull" complaints thereafter?  Perhaps some of us just accept that some stories are posted despite us not personally liking it and move on.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 17:30, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::You realize you are [[WP:BLUDGEON|bludgeoning]] right? [[User:TL565|TL565]] ([[User talk:TL565|talk]]) 17:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
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*At [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#ITN.2C_inappropriate_admin_actions_and_shutdown_of_any_discussion. AN] now. [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 18:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] US Supreme Court hands victory to Chevron in Lago Agrio case ====
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| article2      = Chevron Corporation
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| blurb         = In the Lago Agrio case, the United States Supreme Court upholds lower court decision blocking enforcement of $8.646 billion judgment against Chevron Corporation
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*'''Oppose''' This does not set any precedence in US case law since the Court summarily rejected to hear the case, and since this means that there's no penalty, the status quo remains. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 21:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::If you mean precendent, that is not the issue. This case is complex litigation that was filed in '''1993''' — the United States Supreme Court decision effectively marks the last stage of that litigation. This is the last stage of a major case that has received significant media attention (of course the Supreme Court decides many cases every day that do not receive media attention.) [[User:Seraphim System|<span style="font-family:Candara; color:#cc00cc; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''Seraphim System'''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Seraphim System|<span style="color:#009900">talk</span>]])</sup> 21:11, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Actually, from the article, it looks like Chevron is going to counter-sue Donziger for RICO charges, as well as the fact that Ecuador looks to be taking action against Chevron in Canada. This case has many more years based on that. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 05:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - this story is older than all those which are currently posted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that not render this entire discussion moot, as the nom came too late? - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 13:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Rather a sordid saga, but not quite enough for the main page, in my opinion; also rather old. Furthermore, the case isn't quite complete, as Masem says, '''and''' we don't really have an article on the case; that title is a redirect. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 05:19, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] 2017 U.S. Open ====
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| article       = 2017 U.S. Open (golf)<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In golf, [[Brooks Koepka]] wins the '''[[2017 U.S. Open (golf)|U.S. Open]]''' with a tournament record equalling score of 16 under par.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = In golf, [[Brooks Koepka]] claims his first [[Men's major golf championships|major]] title, winning the '''[[2017 U.S. Open (golf)|U.S. Open]]'''.<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://m.bbc.com/sport/golf/40322068 BBC] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| nominator     = Stormy clouds <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = I will be the first to acknowledge that the article needs work. I'll do my best, but may require assistance in getting this up to snuff.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 17:21, 19 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*Not strictly accurate to describe this as "men's golf" as qualification for the U.S. Open is technically open to all golfers. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 17:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{replyto|LukeSurl}} - good catch. It has been amended. I had forgotten that rules <small>though in my defence it does not normally get put into effect.</small> - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 17:39, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' article is borderline lame with regard to any kind of critical analysis of the final round, but there's at least ''some'' prose there.  I would post a merger of the two proposed blurbs, i.e. we don't link "golf" but we don't need to mention it being his "first" major.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' &ndash; ITNR, and prose has progressed to an acceptable point.<p>I note that this would have gained consensus far faster had the article been ready when nominated. A lot of people don't like opposing ITNRs because on the one hand they want it posted, but on the other hand if they oppose then they're going to have to review the article a second time, having already wasted time on an article which should have been ready for review. On the other hand, those who are uneasy about the ITN/R criteria on notability can justifiably point to a lack of prose as a legitimate reason to oppose. If you nominate before it's ready, there's a good chance the story won't get posted at all. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 06:19, 20 June 2017 (UTC)</p>
::While in general I would agree with that sentiment, in this case the article was not ready but the event it sescribed had occurred a full day ago. If I had waited any longer, the nom would be stale, and very few people would even interact with it, as happened with some RD's below. Marked ready -[[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 07:48, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Question''' is "-16" or "16 under par" going to be better understood by those without good knowledge of golf? My knowledge is basic and had to think -16 was 16 under par (which is what I understand golf scores to be). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 17:27, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
::I would go with "16 under par" - seems much clearer to me.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 18:50, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
:::{{done}} - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 20:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The wording towards the end of the blurb is awkward: "tournament record equalling" should theoretically be "tournament-record-equaling", but I think it would be better to say "equaling the tournament record score of 16 under par". Also if we use "equaling", it should be one "l", as is normal in the U.S.; an alternative might be to say "tying". [[User:Phinumu|<span style="color:blue">pʰeːnuːmuː</span>]] →‎ [[User_talk:Phinumu|<span style="color:fuchsia">pʰiːnyːmyː</span>]] → ‎[[Special:Contributions/Phinumu|<span style="color:red">ɸinimi</span>]] → ‎[[Help:IPA for Greek|<span style="color:orange">fiɲimi</span>]] 01:55, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
**Actually, ITN rarely posts details of the scores or results. The last three times that the US Open has been posted, the blurb has simply been "In golf, X wins the US Open." Same for the PGA, the Open and the Masters (although occasionally the blurb has mentioned the venue, or a nationality, and in one instance that X beat Y in a playoff). So I have '''posted''' with a plain blurb as per default settings. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 07:16, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Tim Hague ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tim Hague
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
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| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/18/tim-hague-death-boxing-fight-ufc-mma-knock-out The Guardian]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = MBlaze Lightning <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
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| sign          = &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 06:43, 19 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> seriously under-referenced prose, and where is all the data in the MMA record table referenced? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:07, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:*'''Support''' good to go now, well done MBlaze.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Too much unreferenced content.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 13:26, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:*The article is well-referenced now.&mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 17:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Article is now referenced.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 19:19, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 23:08, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] French legislative election ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = French legislative election, 2017<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = Emmanuel Macron during his meeting with Vladimir Putin, June 2017.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[En Marche!|La République En Marche!]], led by [[Emmanuel Macron]] ''(pictured)'', '''[[French legislative election, 2017|gains the most seats]]''' in the [[National Assembly (France)|French National Assembly]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = [[Emmanuel Macron]]'s ''(pictured)'' [[En Marche!|En Marche]] wins a majority of seats in the '''[[French legislative election, 2017|French legislative election]]'''
| altblurb2     = [[La République En Marche!]] secures an absolute majority of seats in the [[National Assembly (France)|National Assembly]] following the '''[[French legislative election, 2017|French legislative election]]'''.
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40322140 BBC News], [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/18/world/europe/france-parliament-elections-emmanuel-macron.html NYT], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/french-parliamentary-elections-give-big-boost-to-macron/2017/06/18/1a28c952-51fd-11e7-b74e-0d2785d3083d_story.html?utm_term=.90cdbc21e385 Washington Post]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 01:27, 19 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Comment''' No comment on the article yet, but this is an oddly worded blurb; we should just say "wins the most seats", "wins a majority", "is projected to win a majority" or something like that. "Gains the most seats" can be understood in many ways. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 04:59, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' with a better wording for the hook, as suggested by {{U|Vanamonde93}}. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk)]] 06:37, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' complete and thorough article on ITNR subject.  Added an altblurb.  In English media the party is shortly referred to as ''En Marche'', I removed the link to the Natl Assy as it's not needed for the blurb, and clarified that the election resulted in a simple majority.  I don't think Macron's picture should be used, as it was just up on ITN and this particular election concerns his party and not directly himself, but I'll leave that decision to someone else.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.166|128.214.69.166]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.166|talk]]) 09:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*I think we should use the word "majority" in the blurb, as "gains the most seats" only implies a plurality (En Marche has 308/577 or 350/577 if you include their coalition partners). A paragraph or two of reaction/analysis would be welcome. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 10:30, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' for blurb.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 13:25, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Marking ready''' for altblurb. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:19, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*I'm not sure this is ready. Much of [[French_legislative_election,_2017#Campaign]] is still written in the future tense, there's no prose analysis of the 2nd round results, and no summary of the results in the lead. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 16:10, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' while I empathise with Luke's concern, this is still one of the better election ITNRs.  Having said that, the fact that '''the lead fails to mention the result''' must have passed all our supporters by.  Please, read the '''whole article''' before casting a vote.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Take another look, perhaps? I've thrown something into the lede. I don't like either of the current blurbs as they associate the party with Macron; he's not the story here. [[User:Mélencron|<span style="color:#5F468F">'''Mélen'''</span>]][[User talk:Mélencron#top|<span style="color:#0066CC">'''cron'''</span>]] 03:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 07:08, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] 24 Hour of Le Mans ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 24 Hours of Le Mans<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In [[motorsport]], [[Porsche]] win their third successive '''[[2017 24 Hours of Le Mans|24 Hours of Le Mans]]'''.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = In [[motorsport]], [[Porsche]], driven by [[Timo Bernhard]], [[Brendon Hartley]] and [[Earl Bamber]], win the '''[[2017 24 Hours of Le Mans|24 Hours of Le Mans]]'''.<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.espn.com/racing/story/_/id/19669556/porsche-no-2-car-wins-24-hours-le-mans-late-comeback ESPN], [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-motor-lemans-idUSKBN19906Y Reuters], [http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/15749/10919422/porsche-victorious-at-2017-le-mans-24-hours-as-unreliability-rocks-lmp1 Sky Sports]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = The359<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = Skybluecm<!-- if more than one updater -->
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| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 00:53, 19 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' as ITNR. Although I'd like to see the race section expanded some more. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk)]] 06:38, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''', [[2017_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans#Race_summary]] is sufficient prose to post. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 10:34, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Marking ready''' ITNR and the article is appropriately sourced, summarized, and ready to go. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' using the 2015 blurb formula (the 2016 race wasn't posted). [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 08:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
**Well done! I wanted to post it but wasn't quite sure about the wording. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 08:15, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Posted] 2017 Portugal wildfires ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Portugal wildfires
| article2      =
| blurb         = '''[[2017 Portugal wildfires|Wildfires]]''' ''(satellite image pictured)'' in Portugal kill at least 62 people.
| image        = File:18 June 2017 Portugal Wildfires.png
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| sources       = [http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/portuguese-radio-25-people-killed-forest-fires-48111891 ABC News], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/18/portugal-more-than-20-people-killed-in-forest-fires ''The Guardian''], [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40316934 BBC], [https://apnews.com/24ed9af2c6574cb1aba9025796cdc4f1/62-dead-in-central-Portugal-wildfires;-many-killed-in-cars AP].
| nominator     = Cyclonebiskit <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Exceptionally deadly wildfires for the region, at least 47 died on a single road when a fire overtook the area.
| sign          = ~ [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|chat]]) 13:11, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
}}

*'''Support''' on significance, apparently the deadliest in Portugal since 1966. What is there is well referenced, but the article should really be expanded a bit before posting. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 13:42, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Haven't looked into what has been updated between your comment and mine, but in my opinion there's just about enough to post. Quality itself is good. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 14:21, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – Major story of global significance given the rising incidence of wildfires worldwide. High death toll may rise further. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:59, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' &ndash; have looked at all pages in categories for 2015, 2016 and 2017, nothing appears to have come close to this in terms of death toll so I'm satisfied that this isn't the start of a slippery slope. Some of the articles I looked at did involve considerable damage to property, such as [[2016 Fort McMurray Wildfire|Fort McMurray]] and the [[2015 Russian wildfires]] which also resulted in 33 fatalities &ndash; both were posted. No information yet on damage to buildings in this case, though one would assume given the death toll that it will be comparable. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 14:19, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
*{{accepted}} It should be included. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rævhuld|Rævhuld]] ([[User talk:Rævhuld#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rævhuld|contribs]]) </small>
*'''Posted'''. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 16:50, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] 2017 ICC Champions Trophy ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 ICC Champions Trophy Final
| article2      =2017 ICC Champions Trophy
| blurb         = In cricket, [[Pakistan national cricket team|Pakistan]] defeat [[India national cricket team|India]] by 180 runs in '''[[2017 ICC Champions Trophy Final|the final]]''' to win the [[2017 ICC Champions Trophy|ICC Champions Trophy]].
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| sources       = [https://www.dawn.com/news/1340320/champions Dawn], [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2017/jun/18/pakistan-v-india-icc-champions-trophy-2017-final-live Guardian], [http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/cricket/38832866 BBC]
| nominator     = Saqib <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = cricket match finals between India and Pakistan are one of the most watched games in cricket history, viewed by billions of people worldwide. I guess This final is being live telecast in over 200 countries as per ICC.
| sign          = [[User:Saqib|Saqib]] ([[User talk:Saqib|talk]]) 11:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' &ndash; would be nice to have something involving a team from outside EU or US/Canada featured on the page, and indeed something pleasant for a change. However as this is not ITNR I could not support this unless the prose update were significantly above average. I won't be on-wiki at the appropriate time, but for the benefit of the reviewing admin if the update is high-quality I would lend my support. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 14:27, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
*For those who don't watch cricket, there are three major variants - Test, One Day Internationals and Twenty20. This particular competition is the one-day and comes behind the (ITNR) one-day World Cup in prominence. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 18:30, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' given that it's a major cricket tournament, and an international one. Additionally, an India vs Pakistan final is estimated to have 1.5 billion viewers which makes it larger in that respect than several football rivalries [https://tribune.com.pk/story/1438050/pakistan-india-worlds-biggest-sporting-rivalry/]. '''[[User:Mar4d|<span style="color:green;">Mar4d</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|<span style="color:green;">talk</span>]]) 19:30, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' the victory margin was the largest by any team in the final of an ICC ODI tournament.<ref name="highest">{{cite news|title=Openers' dominance, and a new high for Pakistan |url=http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-champions-trophy-2017/content/story/1104544.html |accessdate=18 June 2017|work=ESPN Cricinfo |date=18 June 2017}}</ref> [[User:Nauriya|Nauriya]] ([[User talk:Nauriya|Rendezvous]]) 2:59, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support on significance''' but the prose summary extensive enough yet - the India innings is only just acceptable quality for me, the Pakistan innings section is good prose but there needs to be more of it. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 22:49, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until the innings sections are better. They're currently far too short. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk)]] 06:40, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*I think this article meets minimum standards now. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 10:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' good to go. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:34, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''.  [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 17:33, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] Iranian missile strike ====
{{archive top|No consensus, and no point in further discussion as it is older than the oldest story on ITN at present. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 19:26, 20 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Deir ez-Zor missile strike
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Iran launches a '''[[2017 Deir ez-Zor missile strike|missile strike]]''' against [[ISIL]] facilities in the [[Deir ez-Zor]] region, Syria.
| altblurb      = Iran launches a '''[[2017 Deir ez-Zor missile strike|missile strike]]''' against [[ISIL]] facilities in Syria in retaliation for the [[2017 Tehran attacks|terror attacks in Tehran]].<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/18/middleeast/iran-launches-missiles-into-syria/index.html CNN], [https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2017/06/19/1440226/iran-hits-terrorist-sites-in-syria-s-deir-ez-zor-with-missiles Tasnim]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Brandmeister <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support''' I'd have said merge if the Tehran attacks blurb was still on ITN, but since it isn't, this is a natural update. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 03:22, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Half decent article in a generally neglected area. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 05:29, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' there is no analysis of the "effect" of this missile launch.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:07, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
**As of now, it's there, under the strike section, the article has been expanded by someone else. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   12:22, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
***Yes, that's very biased, very propaganda-based, not at all what we'd expect from an encyclopedic neutrally worded article on Wikipedia.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
****I was one of the users expanding the article. I've basically added Iranian official statements to the page with attribution. Whether their statements are propagandistic or simple expression of their sentiment remains a personal judgement. I would say it's a mix of both. But at any rate, Iran remains the primary source of original coverage of the event for obvious reasons. What is interesting is that so far there seems to be a curious silence by rival governments about the event. They probably find it difficult to either condemn or approve a show of iron fist by Iran against ISIS which adds to the significance of the event in my eyes. [[User:Expectant of Light|Expectant of Light]] ([[User talk:Expectant of Light|talk]]) 23:55, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' purely on notability.  The war on ISIS is well represented on ITN, as is Iranian foreign policy.  This event is not categorically different than what happens over there on a daily basis.  While this is (apparently) the first time that Iran has used ballistic missiles in this particular conflict, I don't think that's enough to clear the notability bar.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.166|128.214.69.166]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.166|talk]]) 08:36, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''* I think it is quite a remarkable development. First time Iran uses its ballistic precision missiles to target ISIS which has significant strategic military and political implications beyond revenging the victims of Tehran attacks, as in the message it sends to rivals in the region. And the comments by world leaders and analysts seem to be just coming up. I just added an "Analysis" section to the page to host these emerging reactions. [[User:Expectant of Light|Expectant of Light]] ([[User talk:Expectant of Light|talk]]) 15:54, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Iran had already intervened significantly in the conflict and had come into direct warfare with ISIL. No doubt an interesting development, but not ITN worthy in my eyes. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 17:44, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - definitely an escalation. The article already uses [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/irans-revolutionary-guard-strikes-syria-for-tehran-attacks/2017/06/18/0c764970-549f-11e7-840b-512026319da7_story.html?utm_term=.655410b5e70c this article] from ''The Washington Post''. Strangely, I can't find coverage by the BBC of this anywhere. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 13:37, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] RD: John G. Avildsen ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = John G. Avildsen<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40311303 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = CAWylie<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = ApprenticeFan<!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = Stormy clouds<!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Oscar-winning director of Rocky<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 07:36, 17 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Weak Support''' - referencing is needed, but this is shaping up well. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 14:41, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' once article is brought up to snuff. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 23:42, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now. Extremely poor referencing. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 19:26, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Too much unreferenced content.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 00:55, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Stale''', since all current RD entries are folks who died after this person. Marked as closed. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 05:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Baldwin Lonsdale ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Baldwin Lonsdale<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Baldwin Lonsdale]], the [[President of Vanuatu]], dies in [[Port Vila]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/333232/baldwin-lonsdale-president-of-vanuatu-dies Radio NZ]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = EternalNomad <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Death of an incumbent head of state.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:EternalNomad|EternalNomad]] ([[User talk:EternalNomad|talk]]) 01:39, 17 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

* '''RD support, weak oppose on a blurb''' - Given the size and relatively tiny importance of Vanuatu in the world political picture, and that under Vanuatu's law that the MPs will elect a new president in the next few weeks and ''that'' will be a ITNR blurb (which we can then mention to replace Lonsdale), a blurb isn't really needed right now. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 03:51, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''RD only''' per Masem and I suggest that the blurb about his successor being chosen mention his death("After the death of President Lonsdale, the Parliament of Vanuatu elects......). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:31, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''RD only''' per above comments. Include his death in the upcoming ITNR blurb. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 11:07, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support blurb''', Presidential death in office is important and rare. Sad news however. - <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">[[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:black">'''Eugεn'''</span>]][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:gold">'''S¡m¡on'''</span>]]</span> 16:36, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose blurb - support RD''' Granted it's a small country but we are still talking about the death of an incumbent head of state which should merit a blurb. Unfortunately while the article quality is adequate, if barely, for RD; it does not rise to the quality expected for a blurb. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 17:41, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support RD''' per above. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 09:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 14:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 16 ==
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==== [Posted] RD: Stephen Furst ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Stephen Furst
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jun/18/stephen-furst-actor-who-shone-in-animal-house-dies-aged-63 The Guardian]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = MBlaze Lightning <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 17:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' for now. Serious gaps in referencing. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 19:24, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Referencing issues have now been adequately addressed. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 08:14, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Good job on fixing the referencing. [[User:Miyagawa|Miyagawa]] ([[User talk:Miyagawa|talk]]) 10:56, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Referencing all good now. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' definitely good to go.  What's delaying this?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:22, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. There are some conflicts between the section I've just retitled 'Obesity, diabetes and activism' & 'Personal life and death'; the two need amalgamating and the story ironing out. Some of the references do not seem to me adequate (including a private blog and www.dermasciences.com). [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 23:02, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Espresso Addict}} {{Done}} &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 04:48, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 07:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Closed] Amazon/Whole Foods ====
{{archive top|result=No consensus to post. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 18:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Amazon.com
| article2      = Whole Foods Market<!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[Amazon.com]]''' agrees to purchase '''[[Whole Foods Market]]''' for $13.4 billion.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = '''[[Amazon.com|Amazon]]''' expands its physical retail holdings by agreeing to acquire '''[[Whole Foods Market]]''' for $13.4 billion.
| altblurb2     = In American [[retail]], '''[[Amazon.com]]''' and '''[[Walmart]]''' agree acquisitions of '''[[Whole Foods Market]]''' and '''[[Bonobos (apparel)|Bonobos]]''' respectively.
| altblurb3     = '''[[Amazon.com]]''' offers to purchase '''[[Whole Foods Market]]''' for $13.4 billion.
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/business/dealbook/amazon-whole-foods.html NYT]
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      =yes <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Thechased <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Stormy clouds<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
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| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = 
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*'''Support'''. Major news about two companies whose products are purchased by millions of consumers around the world every day.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 20:18, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Whole Foods is known to have been struggling of late, this is not a surprising nor large buyout for the business realm. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:22, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' – Another acqui$ition. Yawn. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 20:23, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' not due to the actual deal, but due to the fact that this could dramatically affect the retail industry. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|331dot}} - [[WP:CRYSTAL]]?  [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 20:42, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I'm not suggesting that the article speculate on its effects, but stating that those effects are the reason this merits posting.  It's not speculation to see that Amazon's aggressive business practices and efforts as an heretofore online business to move into physical retail will have effects on retail as whole. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:47, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Headlines like "The Amazon-Walmart Showdown That Explains the Modern Economy" and "Amazon-Whole Foods deal roils Wall St" tells me this story is a big deal (and it is). I let the business press and markets weigh in, rather than my narrow view of whats interesting or important to me. --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 21:00, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' On the one hand there is an interesting backstory regarding the evolution of the retail industry. But in the grand scheme of things this is small potatoes and the money involved is chump change compared to what we usually look for in [[Mergers and acquisitions|these kinds of stories/nominations]]. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:22, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - very notable acquisition. An ITN placement will allow users to easily navigate to the relevant articles (one of the aims of the project). I feel it is elevated above normal acquisitions due to the notability of its participants. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 22:52, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
::Whole Foods is a relatively small niche player, and a faltering one – due in part to its narrow selection and upscale pricing structure. We aren't here to 'allow' readers to read more about commercial enterprises. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 00:26, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Translation: [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]]. <span style="font-family:Cambria;">[[User:Abductive|<span style="color:teal;">'''Abductive'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]])</span> 03:38, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

::::{{U|Abductive}}: Nothing to do with not liking it. Whole Foods' annual sales ($744 million) equate to 0.65 percent of U.S. leader [[Kroger]]'s sales ($115 billion) and 1.2 percent of second-place [[Albertsons]]' sales ($58 billion). Translation: Whole Foods is a relatively small niche player. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:57, 17 June 2017 (UTC) 

::My phrasing was incorrect - I meant to say that ItN facilitates users in finding articles that they will be looking for ''anyway'' due to their presence in the news. Both articles are updated, so we are ready to run on this issue. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 11:04, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Secondary sources say that this deal is unusual and marks a profound change to Amazon's business model and to the future of US retail generally. US retail is, with 42 million workers and $4 trillion of economic activity, important. <span style="font-family:Cambria;">[[User:Abductive|<span style="color:teal;">'''Abductive'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]])</span> 03:37, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I'm not well placed to judge how big a deal this for shoppers. The numbers seem sufficient to give it serious consideration and therefore it really falls down to how noticeable this would be on the high street. What I will say is that if Alt 2 were to be used then the current bolding seems wrong. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 09:34, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{replyto|StillWaitingForConnection}} - Alt 2 has [[Amazon.com|Amazon]] and [[Whole Foods Market]] (the featured articles) emboldened. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 11:04, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Let me phrase it another way. If Walmart and Bonobos are not bolded, then alt2 should not be under consideration. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 11:22, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
::::{{replyto|StillWaitingForConnection}} - {{done}}. Bonobos requires work however. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 14:44, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - for now, and I will ''not'' support until this deal actually happens. Also, please take note that reputable media sources are reporting that [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-whole-foods-m-a-amazon-idUSKBN1971QJ investors believe a rival bid is likely] and that Whole Foods share prices rose above the Amazon.com offer price. So let's '''wait''' until the acquisition actually happens, which won't happen until the latter half of 2017 (according to today's Reuter's article that I just linked to in my comment here).. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 16:13, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{replyto|Christian Roess}}  With this sort of event it is the announcement that usually gets more attention than the close of the transaction itself.(In this case, the markets have been affected by the announcement[http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/16/investing/walmart-target-stocks-plunge-whole-foods-amazon/index.html]) If we do nothing until the deal closes it will then be opposed on the grounds that it isn't in the news- but opposing now because it hasn't happened yet means there is a defacto prohibition against business related stories on ITN. We've tried to open up more to business stories recently due to this.  A rival bid(likely resulting in a battle for who buys Whole Foods) would likely also merit posting as it too would affect the markets. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Based on what we tend to do with politics I would assume that the consensus would be to post when it's signed, sealed and delivered &ndash; as we did with the Taoiseach despite the announcement being the higher profile moment than the actual handover. That said, I think a discussion at [[WT:ITN]] would be appropriate, because the situation is a bit more murky with huge acquisitions.<p>In practise what I think we need to do is have the discussion at announcement time to judge the consensus on whether a deal cuts the mustard, but then only post when it's a done deal. This would mark a significant change from current practise. My suggestion to achieve this would be that when consensus is reached on an acquisition, it be added to WP:ITNR with a diff of that consensus being evaluated, so that we then don't fall into the trap of "'''oppose''' &ndash; stale" that has in the past frozen out acquisitions from being posted. When the deal is done, someone can nominate it as an ITNR and thus we're only judging quality rather than repeating the significance argument again? [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 14:43, 18 June 2017 (UTC)</p>
::::I see now my vote generated some comments. I'm away from my computer still, but I'll comment now on my hand-held. The thing is that after reading through [[WP:NOT]], my take-away is that, based on those guidelines, it is inappropriate to post this now, before the deal goes through. But this is certainly an item for [[Wikinews]], and indeed it ''was'' posted there on June 17. So my "oppose vote" is based on my reading of those guidelines. My personal opinion is similar: I don't believe that ITN is a weather- vane as such, moving this way and that, and is not answerable to the wild fluctuations of business and market news. Because if we try and figure out which way the wind is blowing there, we are on a slippery slope: speculating, crystal-balling,etc.. and it turns into conjecture on our part. Again, sorry for the slow response. Sometimes I am out of the loop. I will comment further below when I get the chance, because   StillWaitingforConnection, Banedon, and 331dot make some Interesting points. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 21:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support but with amended blurb''' - this is a huge deal ($13.4 billion) and is making waves throughout the market. WFM surged by 29.10% for example, while TGT went down by 5.14%. It's true however that this deal is less likely to go through than other such offers (per Christian Roess; in particular WFM is currently worth more than Amazon's offer price which is a red flag), hence I suggest posting but with alt blurb 3. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 03:13, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 07:51, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' You're telling me that I might be able to buy groceries on the internet? - me, 1999.  The business angle on this is equally weak, and I wouldn't support this even ''if'' the deal is struck as it is proposed.  There were 4 M&A deals that were larger than this one just in one quarter last year, for example.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.166|128.214.69.166]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.166|talk]]) 09:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::It's actually the reverse- Amazon selling groceries in a physical store.  The markets quaked as a result of this deal. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:25, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:::<small>Amazon already sells a huge variety of products. A couple years ago I got a radiator for my car there. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 20:50, 19 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' already out of the news, not likely to happen, pure crystal balling to post this now.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:29, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::Just Googled for "amazon whole foods" and found [http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/19/investing/whole-foods-amazon-bidding-war/index.html] [https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/19/is-whole-foods-a-healthy-option-for-amazon/?ncid=mobilenavtrend] [http://www.thedailybeast.com/amazon-eats-up-whole-foods-as-the-new-masters-of-the-universe-plunder-america] [http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-wholefoods-stock-bidding-20170619-story.html], clearly still in the news. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 00:54, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Posted as blurb] Death of Helmut Kohl ====
{{archive-top|Pointless bickering on a item that clearly had support. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 21:54, 16 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Helmut Kohl
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = Helmut Kohl 1989.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Former [[Chancellor of Germany|German Chancellor]] '''[[Helmut Kohl]]''' (''pictured'') dies at the age of 87.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40307918 BBC], [https://apnews.com/fa165e8f876b4c31a440a033eb529e7f/Helmut-Kohl,-chancellor-who-reunited-Germany,-dies-at-87 AP]. [http://www.dpa-international.com/topic/former-german-chancellor-kohl-architect-reunification-dies-170616-99-879018 DPA], [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-kohl-obituary-idUSKBN19729K Reuters], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/16/helmut-kohl-ex-chancellor-and-architect-of-german-reunification-dies-aged-87 Guardian].
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Carcharoth <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Long-serving German Chancellor spanning the period before and after re-unification. Updating in progress and article is seeing increased editing activity. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 15:38, 16 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*This should be a blurb. Kohl was the architect of the reunification of Germany. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 15:45, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''', subject to article quality. Highly notable West German politician. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 15:45, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Blurb''', if not for him, who else? Referencing etc seems to be in order as well. [[Special:Contributions/131.251.254.154|131.251.254.154]] ([[User talk:131.251.254.154|talk]]) 15:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb'''. Goes without saying, one of Europe's most significant statesmen in the past 50 years, one of the preeminent world leaders from the Cold War era and practically the father of modern Germany (and the euro and the EU as we know it today, with Mitterrand). --[[User:Tataral|Tataral]] ([[User talk:Tataral|talk]]) 15:55, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' One of the most influential European leaders of the 20th century. I see no issues with article quality.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 16:04, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*I also support a blurb, not just because of his position but because of what he did during that time. However I cannot support the nomination yet as the Chancellorship section (ultimately the reason we're supporting a blurb) is not sufficiently sourced. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 16:07, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
**'''Full support for blurb''' - referencing gaps plugged. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 17:02, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Major figure towards the end of the Cold War; on par with [[Helmut Schmidt]]. [[User:EternalNomad|EternalNomad]] ([[User talk:EternalNomad|talk]]) 16:09, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' subject to quite a bit of sourcing improvement per StillWaitingForConnection. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:10, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
**Bit surprised to check back and find unanimous support for a blurb. Could someone convert the nomination, or write a blurb? I was thinking the article needs more updating and referencing, so it might be a while before it is ready. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 16:13, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
:::{{done}} - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 17:11, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''' for now. Significant gaps in referencing. We need to remember to actually look at the article before rushing to support a nomination, even a significant one like this. It's more important that we get it right than we get it up.</s> -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:15, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
::There's references for every section already. EDIT:Well there were, but they have now been changed to CN tags for some reason. [[Special:Contributions/131.251.254.154|131.251.254.154]] ([[User talk:131.251.254.154|talk]]) 16:17, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
:::There are multiple CN tags. Many paragraphs lack any citations at all. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:18, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
::::All these have been remedied now. It would be more helpful if people helped adding citations instead of peppering the article with CN tags (and thus leaving all the actual work to others) for uncontroversial and well-known material for which it would be easy to find references (eg. Kohl forming a new government after German reunification). --[[User:Tataral|Tataral]] ([[User talk:Tataral|talk]]) 16:37, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Any claim of fact that is not [[WP:BLUE]] should have a citation and articles must be adequately referenced before being posted at ITN. This nomination was being rushed through w/o adequate referencing. Further I am not an expert on modern German political history. Nor do I have immediate access to references that would likely have helped. That said, I commend those who so swiftly fixed the referencing issues. Best regards... -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:43, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::I did not nominate the article. I have spent the last hour improving the references of the article. The article didn't include any CN tags at one point, but then more were added.--[[User:Tataral|Tataral]] ([[User talk:Tataral|talk]]) 16:47, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

*'''Moving to Support blurb''' Article now appears well referenced. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:40, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' if article quality up to snuff. Towering figure of international politics in the second half of the 20th century. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]]<sup>[[User talk:Neutrality|talk]]</sup> 16:50, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' - Article has been updated to address concerns. Marked ready. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:52, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Picture''' - do we have a suitable picture to use? [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 16:56, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{done}} - not sure if allowed for use however. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:59, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
:::No problems with licencing. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 17:16, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
[[File:KAS-Kohl, Helmut-Bild-14701-1.jpg|75px|right]][[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 17:10, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

* '''Support''' – Major figure in late 20th C. European politics <small>(to state the obvious)</small>. 
:Here's another photo option. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 17:18, 16 June 2017 (UTC) ⇒
* '''Support blurb''' He was definitively a major figure in modern history, whose death certainly merits a blurb. The news also receives wide media coverage as one would expect.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:18, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted as blurb'''. ---- [[User:Patar knight|Patar knight]] - <sup>[[User talk:Patar knight|chat]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Patar knight|contributions]]</sub> 19:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose'''. Recent death would have been amply sufficient.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 19:56, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
**Well, we'll remember that next time a former US President dies. How about that? --[[User:Tataral|Tataral]] ([[User talk:Tataral|talk]]) 20:30, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
***Boiler-plate America bashing is exceptionally lame, you can stop any time. --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 20:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose Blurb''' RD would have been fine, this story is not making top headlines anywhere, it's not going be to a week long extravaganza like it was for Michael Jackson. Same would be true for [[Jimmy Carter]] or [[Jacques Chirac]] or [[Tony Blair]]. Too late now I suppose, no sense in pulling it, best to leave the European bias on display for all to see. --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 20:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Did Carter or Chirac or Blair reunify a divided country and help create the EU? Bias is not addressed by excluding content. "Top headlines" while helpful is not a requirement, I'd be willing to bet this is headlines in Germany. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:00, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
::::My bar for death blubs in news coverage, not the individuals accomplishments in life. The de wiki hasn't even featured it on their main page, interestingly. --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 21:06, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::You are of course free to judge nominations as you see fit, even if your opinion don't jibe with past practice.  Most look at the whole situation; blurbs and ITN in general has never been solely about news coverage. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:12, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Untrue. He is featured on their main page. They don't seem to post deaths in the news section of the main page, ever, because they have a separate section for all deaths. --[[User:Tataral|Tataral]] ([[User talk:Tataral|talk]]) 21:09, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
:::"this story is not making top headlines anywhere" is a laughable and blatantly wrong claim, as everyone who have read any serious newspapers/other sources (maybe not the ones read by Trump) are aware of (it was the main story on BBC's website last time I checked, and FAZ has devoted the entire front page of their website to his death). I've never ever seen any European bias on ITN, rather the opposite; European topics are systematically held to ten times higher standards than American topics here. --[[User:Tataral|Tataral]] ([[User talk:Tataral|talk]]) 21:07, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Hi, thanks for your [[WP:NPA|personal attack]] calling my position "laughable" and associating me with the repugnant Trump. 4 of the 5 stories in the box right now are euro-centric, so.... --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 21:09, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::You made a verifiably inaccurate claim, and there is no personal attack. --[[User:Tataral|Tataral]] ([[User talk:Tataral|talk]]) 21:11, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::Two of the stories on the page right now are ITN/R, one was a death blurb of one of the people at the heart of the fall of the iron curtain, one is Grenfell Tower which is undeniably the biggest story going right now... and the fifth is the non-fatal shooting of a senator. I agree with CosmicAdventure on which one looks out of place, albeit for the exact opposite reason... [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 21:23, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*We should close this. There is nothing more that needs to be discussed about this actual ITN item. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 21:48, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
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== June 15 ==
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==== [Closed] Xuzhou kindergarten explosion ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Xuzhou kindergarten bombing
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = 
| blurb         = A suicide bomber '''[[2017 Xuzhou kindergarten bombing|kills]]''' eight people at a kindergarten in [[Xuzhou]], China.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = A suicide bomber '''[[2017 Xuzhou kindergarten bombing|kills]]''' eight people and injures more than 60 at a kindergarten in [[Xuzhou]], China.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/china/kindergarten-explosion-china/index.html CNN] [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-40300059 BBC] 
| updated       =
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Andise1
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Major attack in China.
| sign          = [[User:Andise1|Andise1]] ([[User talk:Andise1|talk]]) 21:24, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
}}
*'''Comment''' Article is currently a stub. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 21:35, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

* '''Support''' but would like to see expansion of the article if possible. May not have info coming relatively fast due to area, so current writeup seems good for now. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 21:34, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' in principle, but like Masem would like to see some expansion. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 14:49, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' hard to see the significance of this in the larger picture. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 03:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' this is a tragic event, the article is weak but is probably all we have based on current information.  Not sure what the "larger picture" really means, it's not 9/11, but it's not Britney kissing Madonna either.  About time we started addressing the systemic bias here and this wouldn't be the worst place to start.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:24, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Stale'''. This is now older than the oldest current blurb. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 17:35, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] EU mobile roaming charges scrapped ====
{{archive top|Consensus against. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 07:47, 20 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = European Union roaming regulations<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40281013 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Megyeye<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Noted as one of the greatest successes of EU<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 18:00, 15 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose'''—quite aside from the fact that you haven't actually given a blurb, "phone calls will now be cheaper from some providers in some circumstances" is really not much of a story. (It not only doesn't make the front page of BBC News—the primary news source for the English-language market most affected by this change—but is [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/europe buried below the fold even on their "European news" page].) Although {{tq|Noted as one of the greatest successes of EU}} ought to win some kind of prize for most overblown hyperbole in an ITN/C nom, even by the standards of European Commission press releases (who [http://europa.eu/rapid/search-result.htm?quickSearch=1&text=historic+landmark routinely describe everything they ever do as "a historic landmark"]).&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 18:08, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
:*(Adding) As a note to readers who aren't familiar with this, this <em>isn't</em> the abolition of international charges or anything like that, which might potentially be significant. It's a change to the default behavior of phones, such that within the EEA (not the EU) all phones registered in an EEA country will behave as if they're in that country. (Thus, if Amelie in Strasbourg happens to stray across the river, her phone will treat her as still being in France, and consequently if she phones Bertrand in France she'll be billed at local and not long-distance rates; however, if she phones Carl who's also on the German side of the border she'll be billed at international rates as her phone will treat her as still being in France, even if she's standing right next to him.) The change will be an obvious benefit for people who go on holiday and want to phone their friends at home, and for people who live near borders and constantly have to check they're on their home network before allowing their phone to do anything that uses data, but this really isn't the start of some kind of communications revolution.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 19:54, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' Not significant, long-term news. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:47, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' Good news for travellers, but not notable for ITN. [[User:This is Paul|This is Paul]] ([[User talk:This is Paul|talk]]) 23:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I think above commentators are too harsh. "One of the greatest successes" is used in both the given source and the EC press release. Obviously this will have long-term consequences, presumably for as long as the EU exists. This kind of arrangement requires the agreement of all participating countries, which is obviously not easy, and it's of interest to the entire EU population of 500 million people. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:04, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', ITN is not for wronging great wrights. <span style="font-family:Cambria;">[[User:Abductive|<span style="color:teal;">'''Abductive'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]])</span> 05:32, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*Why are people against this? The Amazon story affects less people and probably affects them way less than this. [[Special:Contributions/79.116.199.219|79.116.199.219]] ([[User talk:79.116.199.219|talk]]) 00:48, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article is well written, and will affect many people's behaviour. [[User:Narayanese|Narayanese]] ([[User talk:Narayanese|talk]]) 09:21, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Bills go down in relatively wealthy part of world is not front page material. The only noteworthy aspect of this is the political side, which is not sufficient to override the unconvincing nature of the story. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 11:27, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' "Supranational Organisation forces phone companies to cut fees" isn't exactly that major. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E  </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the Queen!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 15:21, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I was ''very pleased'' to use my cell phone in Norway last week free of charge, but I also remarked to my hosts that "this should have happened 20 years ago".  This is great DYK material, but it's utterly trivial per ITN norms. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:25, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] RD: P. N. Bhagwati ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = P. N. Bhagwati<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.news18.com/news/india/pioneer-of-pil-and-former-cji-justice-pn-bhagwati-passes-away-1434129.html News18]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Vivvt
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Pioneer of Public Interest Litigation and Former Chief Justice of India<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 17:57, 15 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' - referencing seems fine. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 17:05, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' and marked as ready. All seems OK to me. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 07:22, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' there were tense issues and some grammar problems, now fixed, but the article itself is adequate.  Good to go.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:27, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*Posted. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 19:55, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] UN negotiations on a Nuclear-Weapon-Ban treaty ====
{{archive top|Good faith nomination, but no chance that the start of discussions will be posted. If anything significant is agreed in the discussions then that is the time to nominate. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 07:27, 15 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Nuclear-Weapon-Ban treaty <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The second, decisive round of [[UN]] negotiations on a [[Nuclear-Weapon-Ban treaty]] starts at New York.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| sources       = [https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20170614/p2a/00m/0na/009000c Mainichi Japan], [http://thebulletin.org/what-participants-nuclear-weapons-ban-treaty-do-not-want10829 Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists], [http://www.fr.de/politik/vereinte-nationen-deutschland-meidet-atomwaffen-konferenz-a-1295988 Frankfurter Rundschau], [http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iran-nuclear-disarmament-global-peace-usa-weapons-of-mass-destruction-a7789201.html Independent]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Jwollbold <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Jwollbold <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Unlike [[Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention|biological]] or [[Chemical Weapons Convention|chemical weapons]], nuclear weapons are not yet legally banned. To close this gap in international law and to set a strong impulse towards disarmament and de-escalation of international conflicts, 132 out of 193 UN states came together in march 2017. They negotiated a draft for a ban treaty and will discuss it again at New York from 15 June to 7 July. There are good chances that a text will be adopted, which will be submitted to the UN General Assembly in autumn 2017. This question has world-wide, existential impact. It is discussed controversially, mainly between states possessing or not nuclear weapons. The negotiations are intensely observed by governments, organisations of civil society and the media.
| sign          = [[User:Jwollbold|Jwollbold]] ([[User talk:Jwollbold|talk]]) 04:57, 15 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Wait''' until something happens, as is conventional for ITN. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 06:10, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Close''' without prejudice to renomination after 7th July if anything ITN-worthy emerges. "Discussions start" isn't the sort of thing that gets posted at ITN. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 06:48, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] 2017 Man Booker International Prize ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Man Booker International Prize#2017
| article2      = A Horse Walks Into a Bar
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[David Grossman]] wins the '''[[Man Booker International Prize]]''' for ''[[A Horse Walks Into a Bar]]''.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = [[David Grossman]] wins the '''[[Man Booker International Prize]]''' for his novel '''[[A Horse Walks Into a Bar]]''' (translated by Jessica Cohen)
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40286540 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = LukeSurl <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = ITNR item. Not sure how much prose we need on this and where it should be located. On the one hand, [[Man Booker International Prize#2017]] may be just about adequate in its current state. On the other, ''[[A Horse Walks Into a Bar]]'' is a redlink at the current time. (For what its worth, I'm perfectly happy to post a redlink to the main page if the main update is elsewhere - personally I think that readers see far too few redlinks and get the impression the encylopedia is basically complete.)
| sign          = [[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 12:42, 16 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support'''. If I have time later I'll create a stub about the novel. I'm sorry I'm working all day.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 12:54, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. The prize article is fine and ready to go. Not necessary for posting but I would recommend that if someone source the awards on Grossman's page, that would help (and potentially make it a second link). A quick check shows at least a few RS reviews for the book itself so the stub would also help, but neither of these are necessary for posting now. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:10, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
** For the book: [http://www.npr.org/2017/02/23/515434141/a-horse-walks-into-a-bar-and-a-bad-comedy-set-proves-revelatory], [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/dec/09/a-horse-walks-into-a-bar-by-david-grossman-review], [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/books/review/horse-walks-into-a-bar-david-grossman-.html?_r=0], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/david-grossmans-new-novel-is-about-stand-up-comic-in-crisis/2017/02/21/4fc202e4-f86c-11e6-9845-576c69081518_story.html?utm_term=.72747e425f18], [http://www.sfgate.com/books/article/A-Horse-Walks-Into-a-Bar-by-David-Grossman-11053319.php]. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:12, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*If I remember correctly, the format of the Man Booker International prize changed recently from a writer's body of work to one piece crediting the author and the translator. Leaving half the prize off the front page looks bad. While redlinks (like citation issues/NPOV/unecyclopedic language/etc) are prevalent in articles, I doubt, given the current climate, that this will fly on the main page. Writing a one line stub ('''''A Horse Walks Into a Bar''''' is a 2017 novel by [[David Grossman]]. An English translation of the work by [[Jessica Cohen]] won the 2017 [[Man Booker International Prize]].) with a reference is better than nothing in this case. Plus it shouldn't be too difficult to source a short paragraph plot summary from those book reviews. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 13:35, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' as it is ITNR. Stub article for the novel has been [[A Horse Walks Into a Bar|created here]]. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 15:12, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
:*As I write now it is no longer a stub but a very healthy start article (that could be a bold article). Kudos for creating and expanding this so quickly. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 15:19, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Marking ready''' given apparent consenss and as this is ITNR. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:54, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 18:47, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] RD: Don Matthews ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Don Matthews
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| sources       = [http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/cfl/legendary-cfl-coach-don-matthews-dead-age-77-1.4160687 CBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = PFHLai <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Hall-of-Fame Football coach.
| sign          = [[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 11:50, 15 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose'''. Coaching records section is unreferenced and there are some unreferenced claims in the career section (although they should be easy to cite) - all now tagged. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 17:14, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
** @[[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]]: I just threw in a few refs. Hopefully OK now. Thanks. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 22:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
*** The coaching records section is still tagged as unreferenced. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 22:43, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' per above it appears that a tag is still there, yet a brief inspection would conclude that most of that material is now cited by the reference given.  Anyone with expert understanding prepared to salvage this?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Stale''' and will not be posted (the four people currently listed as Recent Deaths died more recently than this). [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 07:45, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Closed] RD: Countess Mountbatten of Burma ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Patricia Knatchbull, 2nd Countess Mountbatten of Burma
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-40279925 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = The C of E <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Member of the British Royal Family and Godmother to [[Prince Charles]]. Former member of the House of Lords 
| sign          = <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E  </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the Queen!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 21:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' She was a rather notable figure and significant within the world of the British aristocracy (a not insignificant world). --[[User:Varavour|Varavour]] ([[User talk:Varavour|talk]]) 03:18, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. The "Activities" section has an orange banner, and the sentence "Later they became one of the few married couples each of whom held a peerage in their own right, and whose descendants are slated to inherit titles through both." needs updating and citing. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 07:30, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as nominator. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E  </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the Queen!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 15:20, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
**{{replyto|Varaour|The C of E}} All that matters for recent deaths is the article quality, and it still has the orange banner so it will not be posted until that and any other issues are resolved. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 22:40, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' in addition, none of her grandchildren are sourced in the article or are her honours. Neither is the fact that she was in the boat during the bombing. Or that she has in fact died. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 05:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' please re-read the rules governing the posting of RDs.  This article lacks the required quality, by quite some margin, and the need to score WikiCup points does not mean we prematurely post items because the nominator then unnecessarily supports his own nomination.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:29, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Stale''' and will not be posted (the four people currently listed as Recent Deaths died more recently than this). [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 07:45, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] RD: Ernestina Herrera de Noble ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ernestina Herrera de Noble
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| sources       = [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-herreradenoble-idUSKBN1952CQ Reuters]
| updated       = Yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Cambalachero <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Director of the highest sold newspaper in Argentina. First woman to become director of a mainstream newspaper in South America.
| sign          = [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 18:51, 14 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Oppose''' This article's layout is not up to standard and it only covers two controversial topics in depth, which raises BLP issues. So first off, the article needs an overhaul or a makeover. The entire page has one section only, called "Life and times."  The other problem is the article covers only two topics in depth: (1) that Herrera de Noble had a controlling stake in ''Clarín,'' Argentina's most widely circulated newspaper; and (2) legal disputes with various family members that were made public. The first topic should be discussed in another Wikipedia article (i.e., that Clarín became a media conglomerate under her watch). The second topic involves potential BLP issues, ie., legal disputes with family members, discussions that her adopted children were orphans whose real parents were abducted and killed by a previous political regime. I understand that these issues are cited and sourced, but they seem cherry-picked, because media moguls are often subject to wild speculations, conjectures, and controversial accusations. -  [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 20:40, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Stale''' and will not be posted (the four people currently listed as Recent Deaths died more recently than this). [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 07:45, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] 2017 Congressional Baseball shooting ====
{{ITN candidate|article=2017 Congressional Baseball shooting|nominator=Rævhuld | nom cmt = A US American Congressman was shot. It is breaking news in every international and most of the national newspaper.
| blurb   =In Virginia five people are injured and one killed '''[[2017 Congressional Baseball shooting|in a shooting]]''' targeting [[GOP|Republican]] members of Congress and staff. 
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| altblurb = Five are injured following an '''[[2017 Congressional Baseball shooting|attempted assassination]]''' of [[Republican Party|GOP]] Congressmen in [[Alexandria, Virginia]].
| sources = [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/jun/14/virginia-shooting-house-majority-whip-congressional-baseball-practice-live The Guardian] | sign = (Incomplete nomination by [[User:Rævhuld]], completed by [[User:OZOO|OZ]][[User_talk:OZOO|OO]] 16:04, 14 June 2017 (UTC))}}
*'''Support''' on the merits as there seems to have been a political motivation. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' -article needs updates, and story needs to develop. Will support if these criteria are satisfied, as it is notable. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:15, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. No deaths (except the attacker), and mass shootings are (unfortunately) an almost daily occurrence in the US. Why would this attack have more long-term consequences than any of hundreds in recent years? This wouldn't even be in the media if it didn't happen to be a group of politicians, and the motive seems to be entirely speculative at this point. Lack of encyclopaedic value IMO. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' - Please note, this is an assault against high-ranking U.S. officials, rather than a random shooting -- including the Majority Whip. That doesn't happen very often.
::*Is there any evidence that this was a targeted attack or assassination attempt? Let's not get caught up in media speculation on the motives. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:04, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::*I'm not going to step into the assassination charge just yet.  Too little is known.  Absolutely it was an assault with a deadly weapon, however.  The odds of the shooter not knowing who he was shooting at, given the notoriety of the event, are impossibly slim. 
*'''Oppose''', per Modest Genius. Yes, it is dominating news coverage both nationally and internationally at the moment, but I don't think it rises to the level of ITN, especially with the Grenfell Park fire (which actually did kill people) leading the section at the moment.{{pb}}Now if it had taken place at the actual ''game'', that might have been different, but this was just a practice session. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 16:37, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''.  This was no ordinary mass shooting, but an assassination attempt against several Republican congresspeople who were apparently targeted because they were Republicans.(which is in the current reporting)[http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rep-desantis-shooting-suspect-asked-if-republicans-or-democrats-field-n772351]  Oppose if you wish but this isn't normal for American politics. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::I would say regarding the blurb that only the shooter has died; I think we typically don't include that information in a way that suggests the perpetrator was a victim. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:43, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' This looks like a near miss from being a political assassination/massacre. Thank God for the police. But at the moment the only death is the gunman and the other injuries don't appear life threatening. If we were in one of ITNs periodic long dry spells I'd probably support this, but we are not. Right now I don't think it's enough for ITN, especially given the level of violent crime that routinely occurs in the United States and the fact that we generally ignore mass shooting that don't involve a very high death toll. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:44, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' this is big, an attempted assassination doesn't happen too often, and this can be tied to the Kathy Griffin and the Shakespeare play incidents. Regardless, someone targeting members of a specific party to kill, is notable. [[User:Sir Joseph|Sir Joseph]] [[User_talk:Sir Joseph|<sup style="color:green;">(talk)</sup>]] 16:57, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The shooting is "in the news", so it should be "In the News". If you really care about the greater significance beyond the news of the day, it's an assassination attempt on members of the U.S. Congress. This is not a "run of the mill" shooting. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:00, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:*ITN is not a news ticker. We're supposed to highlight articles which have been updated to reflect important current events which will have long-term encyclopaedic value. Not everything that appears in the newspapers is suitable for ITN. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''', attempted assassination on US Congressmen doesn't happen every day. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 17:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Ad Orientem and per Modest Genius. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 17:07, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – Not the typical type of shooting in the US. Politically motivated assassination attempt(s) that thankfully failed. Ample coverage of this story as well. ~ [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|chat]]) 17:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - ASITUSA. The only death was the shooter. We have to set the bar really high on attempted assassinations, and a Congressman isn't going to cut it for ITN.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 17:21, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
**"ASITUSA"? Only 435 of them (plus 100 Senators) out of over 324 million isn't a high enough bar? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:48, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
***{{replyto|WaltCip}}  It isn't even just Congressmen, but a member of Congressional leadership that was injured(the majority whip) and clearly targeted for political reasons(the shooter asked which party was on the field before he started) . [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' Sounds rather macabre, but I would have supported if there were high-profile deaths.  As it is, it's just a standard USA mass shooting that happened to include a few people of notability. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:10, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support'''. This is a tough one. Yes, mass shootings happen regularly in the US and the perpetrator was the only death, but an assassination attempt of a member of Congress is very rare and this came very close to succeeding - it was only because a member with a leadership position was there that there was security at all, according to [[Rand Paul]] [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/14/house-majority-whip-steve-scalise-shot-congressional-baseball-practice].--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 18:21, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - While I'm not sure whether this should be posted at ITN, I want to say that I strongly disagree with the argument made by Modest Genius and others that this is a common event in the United States.  The attempted assassination of a congressman is not at all common, and very different in terms of the attention it receives than things like inner-city violence or some disgruntled worker shooting their coworkers.  I believe this is only the second time a member of congress has been injured in an assassination attempt during my lifetime (I'm almost 36). For comparison, I believe 4 British Members of Parliament have been assassinated during my lifetime, and at least a couple others have been significantly injured in attacks.  Saying this sort of thing happens a lot in the US or that the event isn't even notable is just nonsense. That being said, given the lack of fatalities other than the perpetrator, I'm not sure if this rises to the level of posting at ITN. [[User:Calathan|Calathan]] ([[User talk:Calathan|talk]]) 18:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Unless it would have any influence on gun legislation and that is just crystal balling. Not notable enough in itself for me with the incredibly deep partisan divide in the US and despite being an "assassination attempt". Politically motivated crimes from the left and right surely are not uncommon nowadays (the Portland mess for example) as are mass shootings in general. Only thing that sets this apart is that people who could actually bring about change got targeted. But in general i wouldnt say that an injured public office holder is more notable than a couple of dead in the many shootings that take place in the US regularly. And as for being in the news everywhere, well news is a business and the 24/7 news cycle needs to get filled so... yea, that isnt a very high bar anymore either in my oppinion. [[Special:Contributions/91.49.74.201|91.49.74.201]] ([[User talk:91.49.74.201|talk]]) 18:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' While it is Yet Another Shooting in the US, it was at a gathering of several Congressmen. An assassination attempt at federal gov't officials is not thing that happens even close to routinely as other gun crimes in the US. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:56, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Another day, another shooting. In fact, that was the second shooting today: [http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-francisco-shooting-downtown-20170614-story.html four killed in San Francisco]. There is nothing notable nor interesting about either of them. [[User:Isanae|Isa]] ([[User_talk:Isanae|talk]]) 19:15, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{replyto|Isanae}}  Was the San Francisco shooting against several Congresspeople, including a member of leadership, targeted for political reasons? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:18, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::: ''There is nothing notable nor interesting about either of them.'' Do what? Please tell me your joking. If your not that might cause me to question your judgement to the degree that I wonder if you should even be commenting here. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 19:23, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: Welp, that escalated to ''ad hominem'' quickly. [[User:Isanae|Isa]] ([[User_talk:Isanae|talk]]) 19:29, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Comments that are inane at best, and callous at worst are not exempt from being called out. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 19:34, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::I understand your viewpoint, but (correct me if I am invoking incorrectly) what about [[WP:AGF]]? - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 20:17, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. An assassination attempt against such a high-ranking politician with blatant political motivation is a very rare event. I'm baffled at people who say there's nothing "interesting" about it. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">[[User:The Wordsmith|'''The Wordsmith''']]</span><sup>[[User talk:The Wordsmith|Talk to me]]</sup> 19:25, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - attacks against politicians are rare the US, so it's big news.--[[User:FutureTrillionaire|FutureTrillionaire]] ([[User talk:FutureTrillionaire|talk]]) 19:24, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' A shooting of a congress member (let alone a Majority Whip) is very unusual; the last one before this was Giffords in 2011.  This is a very sad situation illustrating how divided our nation has become... [[User:EternalNomad|EternalNomad]] ([[User talk:EternalNomad|talk]]) 19:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability, third ranking member of congress in critical condition, many wounded, would-be assassin with political motives and high-powered weapon shot dead, worldwide coverage. [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 19:39, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article is in great shape, especially considering it was just created hours ago. Marking as ready. [[User:Mamyles|Mamyles]] ([[User talk:Mamyles|talk]]) 19:44, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
'''Oppose''' - Article is great. however, US mass shootings are not rare, and this was a failed assassination with no fatalities. On a slow news day, fine, but on a day with  ''another'' mass shooting (not politically motivated, but still), no. Four are dead in San Francisco, and it has (justifiably) not been nominated. No fatalities whatsoever means this gets an oppose, unfortunately, no matter how morbidly interesting. [[WP:UNDUE]] in my view, especially if no long term change occurs as a result (And we can't say that it will - [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. Oppose - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 20:13, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
**{{replyto|Stormy clouds}} The perpetrator is dead. Oh, and the targets were members of Congress, not UPS workers. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 20:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Muboshgu}} - We don't count perpetrator among fatalities on ITN (see talk). Oh, and unlike the UPS workers, none of the Congressmen are dead. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 20:39, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
***{{replyto|Stormy clouds}}When was the last politically motivated shooting in the US? [[User:Sir Joseph|Sir Joseph]] [[User_talk:Sir Joseph|<sup style="color:green;">(talk)</sup>]] 20:32, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Sir Joseph}} - [[Gabrielle Giffords|2011]], if I am not mistaken. And the congress person did not die then either, so I would have opposed it too. Especially if there were more severe shootings the same day. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 20:39, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{replyto|Stormy clouds}} So someone has to die in order to be mentioned? Is that a new policy you just made up? That a Congressman was shot in an attempted assassination is extremely notable and it reflects poorly on Wikipedia that it's not mentioned. I am trying to AGF but it's hard to not think that there is a bias among people who are opposing the mention on the front page. [[User:Sir Joseph|Sir Joseph]] [[User_talk:Sir Joseph|<sup style="color:green;">(talk)</sup>]] 20:43, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::{{replyto|Sir Joseph}} - I did not make up that rule, but it is a pretty good metric to adopt, or else the main page would be like an RNS news feed. I am frankly rather offended that you would assume bias (an unfounded claim, as far as I can see) simply because, due to [[WP:UNDUE]] and the lack of lasting consequences (again, no one is dead), that I oppose. Slamming bias on those who disagree with you in debate and discourse discourages further discussion, and violates much of the good natured grounding of Wikipedia. While we are at it though, claiming this has links to Kathy Griffin is unencyclopedic and rather tabloid-esque, and exposes a clear, non-centred perspective - she is far from the first to fictionally refer to the murder of politicians. Or was the Hollywood elite also at fault here? I assure you that I am not biased against the US or the GOP. Moreover, I'll lend those in support the same courtesy. I just don't think this is ITN material - it is a viewpoint (supported by the aforementioned Wikipedia rules), not a liberal cuck conspiracy. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 20:56, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Agree with reasoning of [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]].  <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 20:18, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:'''NOTE''': The name of the article has been changed to [[2017 Congressional baseball shooting]] (without the capital letter on baseball).
*'''Unmarking as ready''' - there is too much dissent and disagreement here to call this one as consensus yet. (if I am incorrect or biased in this assertion reverse it). [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 20:25, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::Um you are involved here though, shouldn't a neutral party unmark this? - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 20:48, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::It's fine, any user can (un)mark. [Ready] is just encouraging a neutral administrator to judge consensus, and is added if a user believes consensus may be reached. [[User:Mamyles|Mamyles]] ([[User talk:Mamyles|talk]]) 20:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Now that I think about it, if we want to get picky, SC should not be allowed to mark or even post here, since the topic is either US Politics or Gun Control and that requires someone to be EC which he isn't, being under 500 posts. [[User:Sir Joseph|Sir Joseph]] [[User_talk:Sir Joseph|<sup style="color:green;">(talk)</sup>]] 20:55, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Sir Joseph}} - Justifiable, but harsh. I have adhered to the rules here as far as I can see, but if you want me to go away, I will with haste. Your wish is my command, those I hope you allow me remain in the interests of impartiality. If I have crossed a line, please tell me so - as you correctly pointed out, I am a novice here, trying to learn. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 21:00, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::I won't lie however - this sort of rhetoric is dissapointing and disheartening to me. - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 21:04, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::: And yet absolutely the norm. To say that it disheartening is one thing, but to me it also appears as a chilling effect. You, me, and perhaps others that commented here should all be disregarded then. That it even was checked if you do have 500 edits is quite worrying to be honest, even if technically perhaps correct (the best way of being correct after all lol)[[Special:Contributions/91.49.70.200|91.49.70.200]] ([[User talk:91.49.70.200|talk]]) 21:18, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Obviously not just another mass shooting. Big news also in Italy. --[[User:Jaqen|Jaqen]] ([[User talk:Jaqen|talk]]) 20:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' The oppose opinions are not convincing, this was a high profile attack. I agree with others here questioning why a death must almost always be involved. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 21:08, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' - as it stands from a quick head count, there are 14 in support, and 9 in opposition. While this clearly indicates a majority, where lies the threshold for consensus? I for one do not know in this case where it is. Can a more experienced editor please tell me if we are at consensus or no consensus? - [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 21:24, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:: Consensus is [[WP:NOTVOTE|not a vote count]], it's the weighted merit of arguments. Essentially this boils down to which argument is better: that having high profile targets and a large amount of global coverage means this should be posted, or that there were few casualties for this to be significant/notable. [[User:Mamyles|Mamyles]] ([[User talk:Mamyles|talk]]) 21:37, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Mamyles}} - thanks for the clarification. I was unsure on the procedure here. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 21:43, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' not a "mass shooting" this was a targeted assassination attempt. Getting awfully tired of "yawn another mass shooting in America" since vehicular murder seems to be totally out of control in Europe and yet we melt the WP servers heaping on support every single time it happens. --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 21:35, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:: Being a citizen of the US and a european country i do have to agree with you there, nutjobs killing people for various reasons in europe is almost as common as it is in the US. Means are different but that is about it. But anyway, exactly that "yawn effect" for me is a very sad side effect of things like this, a non polilically motivated shooting or what have you. People get numb to it quite fast. It is a shocking crime, just like any other shooting in the US or any vehicular murder in europe. And both are sadly way too common. But getting all defensive about something like that and basically "lashing out" at another too common tragedy is not the best aproach, dont you think? [[Special:Contributions/91.49.70.200|91.49.70.200]] ([[User talk:91.49.70.200|talk]]) 21:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:: {{replyto|CosmicAdventure}} - I understand your viewpoint, and as a European can also agree that the epidemic of vehicular assaults is draining. However, there are clear differences between this incident and the ones to which you are referring. '''A)''' People die in those attacks, and the fatalities make it noteworthy and of lasting impact. Terror attacks which result in no fatalities, or only see the perpetrator die, are often not even nominated. (See [[2017 Louvre machete attack]], as well as another Parisien incident in January), and this incident is one such case. '''B)''' Those are terror attacks - the incidents to which you refer are orchestrated by an organised terror group - Daesh/ISIL, which makes them more globally notable and of lasting impact, as they could strike again, ''killing'' more people. When such attacks occur in the US, irresepective of method, they are posted (Pulse, San Bernadinho). This incident appears to be a one-off, and to assume it is part of a concerted effort is [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. '''C)''' Even despite their recent regularity, these attacks are far less frequent than mass shootings in the US, so featuring them is fine. To address this shooting would be [[WP:UNDUE]], especially if more severe shootings with fatalities are neglected. '''D)''' No lasting consequence - those attacks have long lasting consequences on a global stage. Barring legislation change in the Capitol, this one will not (to assume this will happen is crystal balling), so it is frankly of less consequence to ITN. Apologies for the convoluted and long answer. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 22:10, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' - I'm not buying this argument put forth by most of the "support" voters that this was a "targeted assassinations attempt" of a high-ranking political official. And therefore this is not just another mass shooting, just because one of America's "power elite" was almost killed. The problem with this argument is that the shooter (the perpetrator) is dead, and so we are just speculating about the shooter's real motives. Yeah, I know the argument here is to "connect the dots" and it seems an obvious political assassination attempt. But it's not our job here at Wikipedia to "connect the dots," or engage in this kind of speculation. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 22:21, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::It's not speculation; witnesses have reported that the shooter asked if it was Republicans or Democrats on the field and started shooting after he got the answer.  He was there to harm Republican members of Congress.(I link to the source above). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:24, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Look, if we want to post this as an ITN item because it was a mass shooting involving Democrats and Republicans in the U.S. Congress, that's fine. All I said was that I didn't buy into the "support"-voters who are calling this a targeted assassination. Witnesses report that the shooter asked if Republicans or Democrats were around and ''ipso facto'' it's now quite clearly a case of a targeted assassination attempt (?), no ifs-ands-or-buts? Speculation. Or at best, pure conjecture. Furthermore, the perpetrator is ''dead,'' so he isn't able to give first-hand testimony. - [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 22:38, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''', without the assumption that the attacker was targeting Republicans, which is likely but unproven, and not really an essential detail. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 23:12, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Leo Varadkar becomes Taoiseach ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Leo Varadkar 
| article2      = Fine Gael leadership election, 2017
| image         = HANDSHAKE 2016-07-14 (28303482095) (cropped).jpg
| blurb         = '''[[Leo Varadkar]]''' becomes [[Taoiseach]] of [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = Following his '''[[Fine Gael leadership election, 2017|election]]''' as leader of [[Fine Gael]] on 2 June, '''[[Leo Varadkar]]''' becomes [[Taoiseach]] of [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]].
| altblurb2     = The [[Dáil Éireann|Dáil]] ([[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]]'s House of Commons) elects '''[[Leo Varadkar]]''' (pictured) as [[Taoiseach]] (Prime Minister). <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = The [[Dáil Éireann|Dáil]] ([[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]]'s House of Commons) elects '''[[Fine Gael leadership election, 2017|the Fine Gael Party's new leader]]''', '''[[Leo Varadkar]]''' (pictured) as [[Taoiseach]] (Prime Minister).<!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40266513 BBC],  [https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0614/882589-new_taoiseach/ RTÉ]
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = yes<!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = LukeSurl <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = In the discussion at the time of the [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/June_2017#.5BClosed.5D_Fine_Gael_leadership_election.2C_2017|party leadership election]] the was a split between posting at the time and waiting for Varadkar to become Taoiseach (prime minister). It wasn't posted at the time. ''[[Leo Varadkar]]'' is the bold article if we go with the simple "there's a new Taoiseach" line. Alternatively we lead with the detailed ''[[Fine Gael leadership election, 2017]]'' article which goes into more depth of how he came to be the successor, although this event actually occurred a few weeks ago. Both articles are in an OK state.
| sign          = [[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 13:55, 14 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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'''Support''': As one of those who favoured waiting until he was actually elected by the Dail, I now support posting (subject to the usual quality checks, which I leave to others better qualified to assess such things), as he has now been elected. I will probably shortly add an altblurb that mentions the Dail vote, since that's what made him Taoiseach, but I'm happy to go along with the existing blurb if that's preferred. (I'm now off to bed, so I'll leave the updates to others, and I'll also let others worry about whether the blurb should mention that he's gay and half-Indian, which is arguably what makes his elevation more notable than usual). [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 14:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak Oppose''' until the article is properly updated. As of right now this development is not reflected in the lead and there is scant information on his election as Taoiseach in the body of the article. Fix this and we should be good to go.</s> -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 14:24, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::'''Support''' primary blurb. Article has been adequately updated and looks good enough for posting. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' altblurb 1. Not the most influential post in the world, and wasn't through a general election, but nonetheless an interesting appointment of a head of government. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:33, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support Alt 2''' per previous discussions – assuming the article is adequately updated. ''Fine Gael'' isn't needed in the blurb. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*The [[Leo Varadkar]] article contains the basic information now. If editors consider there to be deficiencies in this, please add them or outline what needs to be done. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 15:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - proposed this when he won the leadership election in Fine Gael. Certainly notable and the articles are ready to go as far as I see. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 15:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' - strongly oppose alt blurbs 2 and 3 however. The links exist to inform curious readers what the Dáil and Taoiseach are. One would not describe the US Senate as (America's House of Lords) in an ITN blurb, and the same principle stands here. <s>Original</s> or Alt 1 are far better. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::::<small> '''Alt2''' was suggested to make the blurb readily intelligible to the largest proportion of readers.  The roughly 300 million native speakers of U.S. English comprise about two-thirds of all native speakers of English worldwide. ''Taoiseach'' is a non-English word unknown to most English speakers, and I see nothing wrong – or offensive to Hibernophiles such as [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy]] – with putting ''prime minister'' (lower case) in parentheses after it as an explanation. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:01, 14 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
:::::<small> {{ping|Sca}} - I understand that, but then referring to the Dáil as Ireland's House of Commons is not going to help the Americans out too much in my opinion, being a uniquely Anglophilic of concepts. Besides, will the standard Wikipedian not be willing to click the link and find out. I get the aim, but the blurb is sloppy, overly long, and leaves out a well-sourced companion article that explains a weird (by foreign standards) succession. Tuigim nach bhfuil muid ar fad in ann an teanga dhúchais a tuiscint go soileir, but I trust users (may be misguided in this though). [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 22:23, 14 June 2017 (UTC) </small>
::::::<small>Transparency. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 00:29, 15 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
::*On reflection, I much prefer '''Alt 1''', so would go with it. I would also adopt the image which has been added. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 20:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Agreed. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:20, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - as per previous nomination, additional notability is derived from his status as Ireland's first homosexual Taoiseach, as well as being the first Irish leader of Indian descent. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*Now has universal support and issues with the article seem to have been addressed. Marking ready. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Why the delay in posting?''': It was marked Ready 2 hours ago, and nobody has objected, so what's stopping it being posted? [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 21:39, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 23:20, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, [[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]]. [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 02:01, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
*{{replyto|Tlhslobus}} The delay will have been waiting for an uninvolved (or not significantly involved) admin who had the time to (a) assess the consensus and (b) check the state of the article. Exactly the same as with everything that gets posted. Sometimes a nomination is marked ready just as a suitable admin is checking their watchlist, other times it will be a few hours before someone is available - it's entirely luck of the draw. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 00:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]]. For future reference, how long do you recommend waiting before asking 'Why the delay?'? (Or alternatively is it genuinely never necessary to ask?)  [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 02:01, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
::And would it be useful to add your reply to the 'Please do not' list near the top of this page (e.g. Please do not ask 'why the delay in posting?', unless there have been no objections to posting since it was marked 'Ready', and at least X hours have elapsed.)? (Note: I'm expecting that this conversation will be very short, as otherwise it should presumably be moved to [[Wikipedia talk:In the news]]). [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 02:12, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
:::If it's been more than 5-6 hours then you can ask an admin to take a look. This is best done by placing a message on the talk page of an admin who is a regular at ITN, who is active currently or has recently been active, and who has not participated in the discussion. They are not obliged to do anything of course. Posting on the nomination thread is unlikely to achieve anything in most cases. This isn't on the "please don't" list as this is not something that comes up very often and the list is not exhaustive (to keep it manageable and avoid tldr). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 07:23, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] RD: Hein Verbruggen ====
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| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/40273553 BBC][https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/hein-verbruggen-former-cycling-head-dies-at-75/2017/06/14/51ec55a2-50e5-11e7-b74e-0d2785d3083d_story.html Washington Post]
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*'''Support''': Article is quite good in quality. - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 04:56, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. The "Controversy" section needs significantly more citations - I've tagged. Some of these points may be covered by existing refs but it isn't clear. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 07:37, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' too [[WP:NPOV|lopsided]] for my liking. I get that cycling went through a rough patch during his tenure (think [[Sepp Blatter]]) but when a controversy section outweighs the rest of the biography at the rate of 2+:1 it's about time to considered trimming it and/or writing more about what he achieved as president. The biography section, in comparison, is fairly weak. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 04:59, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Stale''' and will not be posted (the four people currently listed as Recent Deaths died more recently than this). [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 07:45, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Posted - moved to ongoing] Grenfell Tower fire ====
{{archive top|Posted, and will remain so.  [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:07, 16 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Grenfell Tower fire<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = Grenfell Tower, London in 2009.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The 24-storey Grenfell Tower in London (''pictured'') is '''[[Grenfell Tower fire|gutted by fire]]'''.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = The 24-storey Grenfell Tower in London (''pictured'') is '''[[Grenfell Tower fire|destroyed by fire]]''' with a number of fatalities reported.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40269625 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Mjroots <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = No Swan So Fine<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = Wikimandia<!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = AusLondonder<!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Major fire destroys a residential tower block.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 05:11, 14 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*<s>'''Wait''' for sufficient details to emerge, though I find it difficult to envisage circumstances in which I wouldn't support. Would invite people who are minded to oppose until significance is demonstrated (I'm often one of them) to take a look at the pictures of the incident to understand why this is not a premature nomination. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 05:16, 14 June 2017 (UTC)</s> Switched to support. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 07:20, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:As an aside, I don't think the originally nominated image would be particularly helpful. Undoubtedly free images of the incident itself will be uploaded in the very near future. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 05:18, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::Agree that a picture of the burning/burnt out building would be better, but we don't have one yet. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 05:21, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::We now have an image of the smoking building. Swapped into nom. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 06:08, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I would support this - I'm watching Sky News and people are talking about the historic nature of the fire, and there could be hundreds of people killed - "unprecedented" is what they are saying. Of course we'll know more later today but there should be considerable interest in the article. [[User:Wikimandia|<span style="color:#0066cc;">—'''''Мандичка'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Wikimandia|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''YO'''''</span>]]</sup> 😜 05:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*:Unprecendented is one of those words that is used far too often nowadays. It was used on Sky's coverage of election night more than once. That said, my eyes and memory tell me that it's likely to be accurate in this instance. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 05:32, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*::{{reply to|StillWaitingForConnection]}} Already been posted, but I want to clarify that it wasn't the journalists' opinion, but they were quoting an expert who called it unprecedented (I think someone with city of London or fire expert). Sky started repeating its live feed and I saw this bit twice, so I remember that. I know how TV hypes things up. [[User:Wikimandia|<span style="color:#0066cc;">—'''''Мандичка'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Wikimandia|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''YO'''''</span>]]</sup> 😜 04:08, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' A building with no real previous notability, and with no deaths that I see reported.  Such fires happen all the time, this doesn't seem unusual.  (Contrast that to the fire in a Baghdad building fire we posted about 6 monhts or so ago, that was notable before it was destroyed by fire, and which killed numerous people. This is an example of bad article that fails [[WP:NOT#NEWS]] and [[WP:NEVENT]]. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 05:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*:The suggestion that entire 24 storey buildings are ''completely'' gutted by fire all the time is a complete nonsense, invalidating the rest of your argument about the article itself. That is of course separate from the question of whether we should post, where you're right to point out (by inference) that there is not yet sufficient evidence to suggest that this is exceptional enough. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 05:57, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*:: A key point is what importance this building had before the fire. A 24-story building is extremely commonplace in the world (and [[List of tallest buildings and structures in London|certainly in London]]), and as it appears to be just an apartment building, that makes the importance even less important. If it was, say, [[The Shard]] or [[Canary Wharf Tower]] , which have a notable history due their importance/architecture, that might be something. But this is very much similar equivalent to BLP1E , for buildings. Without any significant casualities nor something appearing to have been set maliciously, it is something that happens, and not a news story. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 06:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*:::The Shaanxi Y-8 ''8520'' of the Myanmar Air Force had no notability before it crashed, much the same as Grenfell Tower before it was gutted by fire. So that's  the end of the  BLP1E-like argument. It is the biggest fire in London for decades, leaving 120 families (300+ people?) homeless. I don't  know how you can say it is not news,  when it is being reported in [http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/28384995/__Grote_brand_in_flatgebouw__.html the Netherlands], [http://www.smh.com.au/world/massive-fire-engulfs-london-tower-block-20170614-gwqrqw.html Australia], [http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/huge-fire-breaks-out-at-london-apartment-block-fears-people-trapped-in-blaze-reports Singapore] and no doubt many other countries. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 06:16, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*:::: Accidents that cause significant causalities are different types of events, where it doesn't happen what happened ''before'' but the aftereffects. (and with any type of aviation event, there is usually an extensive detailed investigation to make sure it does not happen again, whereas building fires do not get close to the same detailed review). Also, to argue about the 300+ people temporarily displaced compared to deaths from other significant world tragedies going on (but which don't get significant coverage due to the long tail of events such as the Syrian civil war), this is arguably trying to push a first-world problem. Mind you, I suspect that there was initial concern due to the heightened terror situation that "a fire in a London skyscraper" could be a possible terrorist attack, but it's clearly been proven as a simple accident. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 06:32, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*:::::No such thing has been proven in respect of the cause of the fire. Kindly refrain from making such assertions. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 06:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*::You say it fails  [[WP:NEVENT]], but is lead article on all UK news sites, television and radio. Wait before posting, but clearly a notable event. [[User:Yorkshiresky|yorkshiresky]] ([[User talk:Yorkshiresky|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*::: We do not look at a spat of news to determine notability but the enduring coverage of a topic. There is no indication that in a week (for example) this will still be news. If it turns out there were significant casualities or damage in the surrounding buildings, maybe that's something, but this is a routine fire. This is what should be coverage at Wikinews, not an encyclopedia looking for long-term topics of importance. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 06:32, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*:We won't know the death toll until firefighters are able to go through the building, but it has been suggested the ultimate death toll could be as high as 100.  The fire department has confirmed fatalities, but has refrained from giving a number so far.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 06:48, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*::Death toll aside, [[Ronan Point]] (half a century ago) is a good example of why the thrust of Masem's argument is garbage. Firefighters have confirmed "a number of fatalities", so clearly in that regard this at a minimum matches Ronan Point. Clearly it is not common for fires to spread so rapidly through buildings of this size - they're normally specifically designed to withstand and contain fire for a considerbale time (indeed it's being reported that the fire safety advice within this very building in the event of a fire below was to close the doors, block the cracks in the doors and call the emergency services). And if, as seems highly likely, there is a non-malicious root cause behind this fire, it's likely that the pressure to legislate and make changes will be on a par with Ronan Point.{{pb}}All of this is of course separate from the question of posting, but for as long as an ITN regular is making the assertion that the article shouldn't exist stands (that assertion, if supported, would automatically prevent posting), it's appropriate to continue the conversation here. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 07:04, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*::: Please keep in mind, at the time of my comments, there were no reports of fatalities; injured yet, but no deaths. A lot does change now that there are fatalities. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Clearly a very significant news event. Spurious arguments above suggesting this is a common occurrence should be discounted. Also important to note that some of the "refurbishment" regarding the addition of plastic cladding, concerns regarding health and safety and some of the advice issued by the authorities about staying inside in the event of an fire could have made this incident more newsworthy than usual. Also being live broadcast in several countries. [[User:AusLondonder|AusLondonder]] ([[User talk:AusLondonder|talk]]) 06:23, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Now confirmed that there are fatalities, number not reported. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 06:57, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait'''.  The speculation is that there is likely to have been a large number of fatalities.  Assuming that is correct, I support posting once a preliminary death toll has been reported.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 07:00, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' sensational, for sure. But fires do happen, everday, around the world. That media coverage is skewed towards global cities such as London should not dictate what we post here and what not. [[Special:Contributions/81.204.120.137|81.204.120.137]] ([[User talk:81.204.120.137|talk]]) 07:01, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per AusLondonder. Fortunately fires like this are not everyday occurences, despite some comments above. [[User:Optimist on the run|Optimist on the run]] ([[User talk:Optimist on the run|talk]]) 07:16, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' due to it being confirmed that there are a number of fatalities, and due to the spread of a fire over such a large building ''in such a short space of time'' being unusual. Building regulations specifically require high rise buildings to be able to withstand the spread of fire for a certain period of time, and therefore either the nature of the fire was exceptional, or the shortcomings of the building have had exceptional consequences. In this regard this seems comparable to the [[Ronan Point]] explosion, with what appears to be a significantly greater casualty count.{{pb}}My previous stance of wait and see seems untenable, because the nature of the opposition convinces me that the discussion will be stalled out indefinitely if I don't nail my colours to the mast. That is not a criticism of the people in question's stances, but of my lack of confidence in the functioning ITNC. I have no confidence that this process is anything other than a vote count nowadays. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 07:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*Marked as ready. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 07:37, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
** Have removed the [Ready] - we don't have a suitable blurb yet ("gutted by fire" is simultaneously sensationalist, and yet downplays the fact that many people have lost their lives) and several people above have commented '''Wait'''. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 08:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
***Well, suggestions for alternative blurbs are welcome. Blurb can always be updated once posted (I can do this myself). I could have posted this myself, but I didn't because I nominated it. Admin tools are not to be used for an admin to gain an advantage over a non-admin. Marking as ready merely flags the situation up for an uninvoled admin to make a final decision on. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 08:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - the [[:commons:file:Glenfell Tower fire.jpg|image used above]] is currently tagged as lacking permission on Commons. [[User:Optimist on the run|Optimist on the run]] ([[User talk:Optimist on the run|talk]]) 08:12, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
**[[:File:Grenfell Tower, London in 2009.jpg|Original image]] returned to the nom. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 08:35, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
***FWIW I see little point in using the original image. I would actually rather people complained about us running the story with an unrelated image, as that tends to speed up the process of a free one being uploaded. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 08:39, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as there were "several hundred people in the building" when the fire started, so it's clearly a rather notable event. Sentence needs a hyphen, though: "The 24-storey Grenfell Tower..."
**{{done}} [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 08:36, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' added altblurb, a number of sources are reporting saying the building is destroyed. [[User:Yorkshiresky|yorkshiresky]] ([[User talk:Yorkshiresky|talk]]) 08:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It's in the news and the article title isn't obvious so ITN will help editors and readers in navigating to the topic.  Such major fires are notable because they are not so frequent in London – see [[:Category:Fires in London|Fires in London]]. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 08:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. The most recent similar fire in the UK I can find was the [[2009 Lakanal House tower block fire]] which was half the height of this tower, and it's almost certainly the most significant fire in London since the 2011 riots. [[:File:Grenfell Tower fire morning.jpg]] is a better picture though. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 08:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''.  This is getting a great deal of news coverage and this sort of event is rare(large towers catching fire). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Major news event, article in good shape, etc. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 09:37, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' with Alt, and original image pending permission on the one of the building on fire. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 09:42, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' When the death toll is reported, please don't write "(including X children)" that always feels really tacky to me. Every death is a tragedy, and the # each of dead and injured will suffice. --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 10:04, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' and '''please change the picture''' to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Grenfell_Tower_fire_morning.jpg this].[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 13:46, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
** The free-nature of that image is under debate, so we can't use it until it is cleared up. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:50, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::What about [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glenfell_Tower_fire.jpg this one], but clipped?[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 13:51, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: No permission confirmed for that one yet, either (see the OTRS notice). [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 13:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::We seem to be OK on [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grenfell_Tower_fire.jpg this one] now. [[User:Thincat|Thincat]] ([[User talk:Thincat|talk]]) 16:34, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:... and [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grenfell_Tower_fire_morning.jpg this one] too. I think the first one is more illustrative. The photographer has put a CC licence on Twitter as noted in the file descriptions. [[User:Thincat|Thincat]] ([[User talk:Thincat|talk]]) 16:42, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:: OK, I'm using the first one, anyone feel clear to change it if necessary. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:20, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting oppose''' per Masen & IP. The importance of this event is overblown. Hard to imagine any kind of lasting impact from this kind of disaster. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 05:38, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
**"Hard to imagine any kind of lasting impact"!? You mean other than the safety of every tower block in the country being called into question, examinations being carried out urgently into all buildings with similar cladding and all tower blocks that have recently been refurbished? Other than the government's inaction following the report into the lesser 2009 fire being called into question? Other than the safety of the government's cuts to the fire service being called into question? Other than the whole ecosystem of private management of council housing, and cuts to council housing budgets being seriously examined at a national level? As for "overblown" the fire is still not extinguished over 30 hours after it began, and the most senior officer of the largest fire brigade in the country calling it the most significant fire of <s>his</s>''her'' <s>35</s>''29''-year career. I'm finding it extremely hard to believe that you've actually read anything about this incident at all. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 07:49, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
***<small>''minor corrections''. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 17:05, 15 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
***Thryduulf, you are illustrating why I think it's hard to imagine this has any kind of lasting impact. This is a story in which reading the headline tells one everything that's worth knowing. All these reactions - from "the safety of every tower block in the country being called into question" to "cuts to council housing budgets being seriously examined" - are to be expected. There is nothing surprising about this, and nothing to see. Even if policy changes to the tune of "UK government approves large increase to council housing budgets" happen, that is still something not appropriate to ITN, since it's completely internal to the UK. Besides, as per longstanding ITN convention, we post these when they actually happen, not when they start being considered. If this actually leads to some kind of ''worldwide'' change in building policy, then that might be something, but I don't see it happening. As for the most senior officer of the largest fire brigade in the country calling it the most significant fire of her career, that simply means she wasn't around during other, more significant fires, e.g. the World Trade Center burning down in the 9/11 attacks. This kind of statement sounds impressive, but once you compare things on a global scale, where there are thousands of firemen with decade-long careers, it really isn't. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:15, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
**I really think any judgement like that is a little premature when very many are still unaccounted for and the final death toll totally unknown. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 07:52, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
***Given the numbers being reported missing and statements that no further survivors are likely, the final death toll could exceed 50. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 13:22, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
****And it's worth noting, [[User:Masem|Masem]]'s oppose vote was early, before any fatalities had been reported, so voting now "per Masem" is misleading.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 13:34, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
****The prime minister has also announced a public enquiry into the fire and its circumstances, and ''[[The Sun]]'' has devoted about half today's paper to the story (not a publication I regard as a reliable source, or endorse, but I happened to spot it in the supermarket rack) - neither things associated with a run-of-the-mill event. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 17:05, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
*****I'd be careful about things like that. The media regularly inflates events, e.g. Kim Kardashian was robbed in Paris in October 2016, and this article by ''The Sun'' still showed up in June 2017: [https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1900790/kim-kardashian-paris-robbery-apartment-arrests-jewellery/ What happened during Kim Kardashian’s Paris robbery, who was arrested and what jewellery was stolen?]. Would you say we should have posted the robbery back in October 2016, or was it a run-of-the-mill event? [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:19, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
******Comparing this to the Kim Kardashian robbery speaks far more about the nature of your perception of the world than to anything else. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 01:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
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*For the record, I have moved this to ongoing. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 07:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
:*{{U|Bencherlite}} I can see why you did this, but it's a bit odd, surely. The fire has been put out; what continues is the political upheaval, and I'm not sure that makes it ITN worthy. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 07:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
::*Then nominate it for removal if you want and see what people think. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 07:38, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 13 ==
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==== [Posted] RD: Anita Pallenberg ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Anita Pallenberg
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/jun/14/anita-pallenberg-dies-aged-73-rolling-stones-performance-keith-richards The Guardian]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = MBlaze Lightning <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| sign          = &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 09:33, 14 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support''' Generally referencing is good. There are a couple of "page needed" tags for book references which ideally should be cleared up.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 17:48, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:*{{Done}} &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 07:48, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 18:02, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Bangladesh landslides ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Bangladesh landslides<!-- Do not wikilink -->
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| blurb         = More than 150 people are killed in [[2017 Bangladesh landslides|Bangladesh’s worst-ever monsoon-related landslides]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
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| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40257913 BBC][https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bangladesh-landslides-idUSKBN1950AI Reuters] [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/bangladesh-rescuers-race-reach-landslides-victims-170614073037161.html Al Jazeera]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| nominator     = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = More than 100 died. Article still stub, waiting for updates.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 08:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

:* Don't bother, a fire in London is more important to the Wikipedia crowds.
::If you don't like what the "crowd" chooses, feel free to join the crowd and/or contribute to the article to bring it up to an appropriate posting standard. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:18, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::Yesterday, the readership for these two topics was [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2017-05-25&end=2017-06-14&pages=2017_Bangladesh_landslides%7CGrenfell_Tower_fire Fire=347,223 vs Landslide=322].  That's three orders of magnitude.  I don't mind if the landslide gets posted too but it's still not going to get so much traffic. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 07:53, 15 June 2017 (UTC) 
*It's hard to judge this article because it is a stub, but to quote the BBC article: "Landslides caused by monsoons often occur in the southern hills in Bangladesh."  So this isn't all that unusual there.  Coverage of this, while it exists, seems limited.  That said, if the article was significantly improved I could support it. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:18, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*Not enough of an article to judge at this stage, though the death toll suggests that if the article were there then there's a case. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 10:42, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on principle of notability. The last one with a similar death toll that we have an article for was [[2007 Chittagong mudslides|ten years ago]]. [[Special:Contributions/171.116.122.242|171.116.122.242]] ([[User talk:171.116.122.242|talk]]) 14:08, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability. <s>However, reluctant but strong oppose given the current state of the article. It is currently not in condition to be an article here at all, let alone on the main page. </s>As it is fixed, post. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:24, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
**Article should be redirected to 2017 North Indian Ocean cyclone season, since it was Deep Depression BOB 03 that caused the landslides.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 16:30, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Update''':  Five more sources have been added, as well as more details on the extent of the disaster and the response. Death toll figures are now 156 dead and more missing and injured. Al Jazeera quoted the head of Bangladesh's Disaster Management Department as saying that these landslides were the worst in the country's history. [[Special:Contributions/70.67.222.124|70.67.222.124]] ([[User talk:70.67.222.124|talk]]) 18:23, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*Marking "ready" for someone else to have a look at; article is on the short side, but is well referenced and appears to cover the basics, and no longer a stub. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 23:38, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' notable disaster and article in in a state adequate for posting. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 10:32, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Comment''': The article has been further updated with many more sources. Official death toll is now at 152, still more than than 2007 mudslides mentioned by {{u|171.116.122.242}}. {{re|331dot}}, {{re|StillWaitingForConnection}}, {{re|Stormy_clouds}} would you consider re-reviewing? And can anyone help with an image? Thank you, [[Special:Contributions/70.67.222.124|70.67.222.124]] ([[User talk:70.67.222.124|talk]]) 16:39, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{replyto|70.67.222.124}} - {{done}}. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 22:34, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Ongoing] Qatar diplomatic crisis ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Qatar diplomatic crisis<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
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| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
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| sources       = [http://www.khaleejtimes.com/region/qatar-crisis/qatari-citizens-are-forced-to-buy-unfamiliar-food-items Khaleej Times]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| nominator     = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Still going strong with frequent updates<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 04:12, 13 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* '''Oppose''' Things are happening but its nearly all diplomatic actions and nothing like wars or other crisis. Barring major changes I don't think this is good ongoing. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 04:34, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''', albeit reluctantly as this is entirely sensible nomination and worthy of serious consideration. My view however, is that we posted the break-off of relations as a blurb, and what has happened since is not uncommon when countries in close proximity to one another have recently broken-off relations. There's the justification, there's the blame game, there's the hardening of stances, there's the linking of the other countries to crime and/or of a threat to peace.{{pb}}For me, the justification for an ongoing would be the reasonable suggestion that the break-off of relations (and those things which were obviously going to be a direct consequence) are not as far as this situation goes. "Reasonable suggestion" is not a phrase we use often on Wikipedia, but seems an appropriate one here. No-one is going to scream at us from the rooftops condemning us for linking to this article on the main page if conflict does not follow. On the other hand, there will be people screaming at us from the rooftops if we do not treat future diplomatic disputes with the ongoing treatment, unless we have some form of reason to point to as to why this one was singled out.{{pb}}I'll conclude on two points, with the caveat that if made in isolation the former would seem sarcastic and the latter trying to put off the posting of a story I'm opposing, but both are meant in good faith as entirely straight and respectful comments. Firstly, if irregular and less than friendly interactions between neighbouring nations were in and of themselves sufficient for ongoing posts, we would have Israel and North Korea hard-coded into the template. The fact is that we do post those nations in blurbs from time-to-time, as and when specific actions which really do go above and beyond the "norm" of their relations come to light. Secondly, and assuming the argument is that those situations are decades old and therefore not comparable to this one, I would say that now is too soon to really judge whether this should be an ongoing. The immediate practical aftermath of the diplomatic severance is still emerging, and while that process is taking place it's hard to make a fair assessment of whether things are still getting notably worse, or whether we're seeing a lagging effect of news that has already been reported. In another couple of weeks it would be easier to make this assessment. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 04:48, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 12 ==
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==== [Posted] RD: Masahide Ōta ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Masahide Ōta
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-okinawa-ota-idUSKBN1930VX Reuters]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Vivvt 
| updater       = Vivvt
| ITNR          = no 
| nom cmt       = Japanese politician
| sign          = - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 09:21, 14 June 2017 (UTC) 
}}
*'''Support''': Article looks adequate to post. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 15:07, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{small| Appended "Support" in above comment in good faith. {{ping|LukeSurl}} feel free to revert if you don't like it. }} - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 10:39, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
*I gave it a copyedit and marked. Probably have to rethink RDs if a decently expanded nomination sits for five days with just one comment. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 04:40, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. This wasn't nominated until the section was two-days old which is probably why it has sat for so long. If you want to discus how to avoid this then [[WT:ITN]] is the place. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 07:28, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

==== NBA Finals ====
{{archive-top|Closing as stale at this point (older than oldest current blurb) --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:23, 19 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 NBA Finals
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = Kevin Durant gold medal 2010.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In basketball, the [[Golden State Warriors]] ([[Bill Russell NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award|Finals MVP]] Durant pictured) defeat the [[Cleveland Cavaliers]] to win the '''[[2017 NBA Finals]]'''.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
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| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/12/sports/nba-finals-game-5-warriors-cavs.html?_r=0 NYTimes]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Masem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
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| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Game 5 needs a recap<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 04:33, 13 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

* MVP is [[Kevin Durant]], but I don't immediately see a good shot of him in the GS uniform that is free. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 04:33, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
** Why can't we use an OKC photo? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 04:35, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
*** Only because we don't have room to explain "Hey this was him only a few years ago" with the jersey change.  But if that's not seen as a problem, then we do have images. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 04:45, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
*I added some {{tl|citation needed}} tags. Once they're good and Game 5 is recapped, we can post. Adding some images would be nice (see [[2016 World Series]]). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 04:39, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' in principle. I've also added picture of Kevin Durant who was named MVP of the Finals.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 08:16, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Could we link MVP please?  Not an acronym that's universally used. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 08:20, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
:*{{done}}.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 09:30, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] RD: C. Narayana Reddy ====
{{archive-top|Nomination stale, article degraded by edit war and possible malicious editing. -- [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 22:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = C. Narayana Reddy
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://sahitya-akademi.gov.in/sahitya-akademi/pdf/tribute_c-narayana-reddy_12-06-17.pdf Sahitya Akademi] [http://indianexpress.com/article/india/c-narayana-reddy-dead-passes-away-a-look-at-his-life-4699713/ Indian Express]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Vivvt <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Vivvt
| ITNR          = no
| nom cmt       = Prolific Indian poet
| sign          = - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 09:24, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
}}
:*I suspect a sockpuppet vandalism by Reddyvi. I have requested {{ping|Cyphoidbomb}} to help me out on this. - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 12:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't see any obvious connection to [[WP:PADMASOCK]] (as Vivvt suspected), or any glaring indication of sockpuppetry, but I do get the sense that Reddyvi is pushing [[WP:OWN|ownership]]. Interested editors should keep an eye open for that. It's a brand new user making a lot of bold changes and strong assertions. Most of their edits are erroneously marked as minor, so they should probably be informed of the appropriate use of [[WP:MINOR]]. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 15:29, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

::::Thanks {{ping|Cyphoidbomb}} for your comments. If not sock we might simply have to deal with him. But I doubt a new user would know how to revert an edit and also address an editor in almost all their edit summaries. <br>I personally have no energy to sit and teach such people. I might let the article get hampered than let that happen to my brain. - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 03:40, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. The article appears reasonably comprehensive and is in good enough shape. No major gaps in sourcing. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:37, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - As per above. [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 05:07, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'<s>'''Wait''' </s> - the edit history as well as above comments indicate an edit war. Our hands are tied until this is resolved. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> - definite edit war. Messages left on talk pages. Cannot be posted mid-dispute, irrespective of all other factors. Neither parties, including the nominator, appear innocent, and the dispute must be resolved ASAP. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 17:14, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Yes {{ping|Stormy clouds}}, I am off the article now and given the rants the other part throws at the [[Talk:C. Narayana Reddy|article's talk page]] while conversing with {{ping|There'sNoTime}} I think this might just go stale with the poor quality of article and unsourced stuff stuffed in it now. For the record, the article's version which {{ping|Thryduulf|Sherenk1}} supported [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C._Narayana_Reddy&type=revision&diff=785591116&oldid=785590789 is here]. - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 03:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Vivvt}} - Very well. Then I am happy to '''support''' on notability. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 07:39, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Stormy clouds}} Notability is never a question for RD. Quality is. And thanks to another IP it has degraded more. - [[User:Vivvt|<span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt</span>]] ([[User talk:Vivvt|<span style="color:#000;font-size:10px;font-weight: bold;">Talk</span>]]) 08:22, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

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== June 11 ==
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==== [Closed] Puerto Rican referendum ====
{{archive top|1=Strong consensus against posting this. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:21, 12 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Puerto Rican status referendum, 2017
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Puerto Rico]] votes in a '''[[Puerto Rican status referendum, 2017|referendum]]''' to become a [[U.S. state]].
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/11/us/puerto-ricans-vote-on-the-question-of-statehood.html NY Times], [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/puerto-rico-referendum-51st-us-state-become-island-non-binding-mainland-ricardo-rossello-a7785126.html Independent]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Brandmeister <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   07:11, 12 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' does this actually mean they will be accepted into the US or is there another round of decision-making for Trump and his cronies? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
::There are many more rounds, and US PR is pretty profligate with referendums.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.163.160|128.214.163.160]] ([[User talk:128.214.163.160|talk]]) 07:24, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
:::*Ok, '''oppose''' as it seems this has happened before and still no actual "becoming a State" actually happened. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:33, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

* {{ec}} '''Oppose''' Per [http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/amid-historically-low-turnout-puerto-ricans-vote-statehood-n770801 NBC], this was because of a result of low turnout because party leaders who opposed statehood asked their followers to boycott the referendum, and they did.  Also, per the same source, the result of the vote was non-binding.  If this had happened without the boycott, then I might consider supporting.  {{u|The Rambling Man}}, to answer your question, according to NBC, the next step is for the Puerto Rican governor to take the vote to Congress as proof the PR wants to become a state.  (That was my understanding, anyway.) <b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">—</span></b> [[User:Gestrid|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:maroon">Gestrid</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Gestrid#top|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">talk</span></b>]]) 07:23, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. This was pretty much a nonbinding poll of the populace where most of them didn't show up.  Congress doesn't have to (and probably won't given everything else going on in DC now) listen to them.  These votes have occurred every so often before without effect. Probably the President signing a statehood bill would be the only postable milestone in PR becoming a state. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:39, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' While we did post [[Puerto Rican status referendum, 2012]], it's unclear what impact this referendum will have, if any. Would potentially consider if/when US Congress approves statehood. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 10:33, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose for now'''. If this leads to any actual legislative movement (by the US Congress) towards making Puerto Rico a state, then we can consider it. A non-binding plebiscite which purely confirms the result of five years ago (which had no real result) doesn't change anything on its own. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 10:51, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' No lasting impact.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 12:19, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
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====[Posted] RD: Errol Christie ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Errol Christie<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/boxings-christie-dies-at-53-xxq8glcvz The Times]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = EternalNomad <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = English boxer.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:EternalNomad|EternalNomad]] ([[User talk:EternalNomad|talk]]) 01:53, 12 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' article is sufficiently updated and referenced, no major problems here. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:09, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article well sourced indeed. Post ASAP.--[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 02:33, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' Looks good to go. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 02:37, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Ongoing] Marawi crisis ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Marawi crisis<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/10/u-s-special-forces-helping-philippines-troops-in-battle-against-militants-allied-to-islamic-state.html CNBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Nominate for ongoing<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 09:29, 11 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support'''. Significant developments in a short amount of time. [[Special:Contributions/221.205.107.138|221.205.107.138]] ([[User talk:221.205.107.138|talk]]) 18:54, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' According to the article, the most recent notable events happened on June 4, 6, 9 and 11, or just less than 1 update every two days.  All of these, except the June 4 update were crime-blotter or body-count updates.  Event has picked up in the news, but I am still unconvinced that the article is suitable for Ongoing.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.163.160|128.214.163.160]] ([[User talk:128.214.163.160|talk]]) 07:02, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

*'''Technical question'''.  Shouldn't this nomination be showing up in purple?  The Ongoing line in the template is marked yes. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:41, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
:* {{ping|331dot}} I just previewed it with the parameter set to "add", and it showed up in purple then.  It seems the parameter doesn't recognize "yes" as a valid answer, so it defaults to "no".  I've gone ahead and fixed it. <b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">—</span></b> [[User:Gestrid|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:maroon">Gestrid</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Gestrid#top|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">talk</span></b>]]) 07:52, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' While stuff has been happening in the past week, updates from that point ([[Marawi crisis#June 6]] and on) have been underwhelming. This had been bumped to Ongoing before, but lack of consistent updates at that point led to removal. I'm not convinced it will stay at a reasonable enough update quality and quantity to be suitable for Ongoing. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 10:31, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

==== 2017 Stanley Cup Finals ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Stanley Cup Finals
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The [[Pittsburgh Penguins]] defeat the [[Nashville Predators]] in Game 6 of the [[2017 Stanley Cup Finals]] winning their second consecutive Stanley Cup.
| altblurb      = In ice hockey, the [[Pittsburgh Penguins]] defeat the [[Nashville Predators]] to win the '''[[2017 Stanley Cup Finals|Stanley Cup]]'''.<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/19609379/2017-stanley-cup-finals-pittsburgh-penguins-win-title-spectacle-pure-survival ESPN]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = StrikeDog <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| ITNR          = yes
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:StrikeDog|StrikeDog]] ([[User talk:StrikeDog|talk]]) 10:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' and note that this nom is ITNR.  Decent amount of prose and game summaries. [[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.204|128.214.69.204]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.204|talk]]) 10:55, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
**But not enough references. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 04:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
*{{ec}} This is on ITNR, adding the template parameter. Mostly looks good - there are referenced prose summaries of each game and a decent amount of content. However, the 'Teams' section is currently unreferenced. Fix that and I'll support the alt blurb. Note ITNR indicates we should also mention the Conn Smythe winner. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 10:58, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
* Per Modest Genius; sort the "Teams" section out and it's an easy support. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 11:20, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
::The details in the Teams sections are lifted from the teams' respective 2016-2017 season pages, which are in turn sourced to the NHL.  There's a convention that actors' and musicians' film/discography does not need to be sourced, so long as those items have a Wikipedia page and it is in turn acceptably referenced.  Should there not be a similar allowance here?[[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.204|128.214.69.204]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.204|talk]]) 11:43, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
:::That "allowance" is lazy and should be discouraged.  Relying on Wikipedia articles which change regularly to verifiably source information is inadequate. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:48, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
:::No opinion on whether [[WP:ICEHOCKEY]] should have such a rule, but bold links from the Main Page are held to higher standards than other articles. Consensus at ITN has been that every section needs references. It shouldn't be hard to find sources to cite for those statements. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:51, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now. Unsourced sections. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 04:54, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': no progress has been made on the unreferenced sections. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 10:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 10 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2017 June 10]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2017 June 10}}
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==== Saif al-Islam Gaddafi freed under an amnesty====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Saif al-Islam Gaddafi <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = Aftermath of the 2011 Libyan Civil War <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Saif al-Islam Gaddafi]] released under an amnesty by the Zintan militia group Abu Bakr al-Siddiq Battalion<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-40236808 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = no <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Count Iblis <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 22:51, 10 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' - Not notable enough to put on ITN. [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 04:15, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

====French Open====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 French Open – Women's Singles<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| blurb         = In tennis, [[Jeļena Ostapenko]] defeats [[Simona Halep]] at the [[2017 French Open – Women's Singles|2017 French Open]]
|altblurb = <s>(if Halep will win)  In tennis, [[Simona Halep]] defeats [[Jeļena Ostapenko]] at the [[2017 French Open – Women's Singles|French Open]] and becomes first Romanian [[List of WTA number 1 ranked tennis players|WTA number 1]].</s>
|altblurb2 = [[Rafael Nadal]] defeats [[Stan Wawrinka]] and [[Jeļena Ostapenko]] defeats [[Simona Halep]] at the [[2017 French Open – Women's Singles|2017 French Open]].
| sources       = 
| ITNR          = yes
| sign          = <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">[[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:black">'''Eugεn'''</span>]][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:gold">'''S¡m¡on'''</span>]]</span> 08:32, 10 June 2017 (UTC)(UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Wait''' <s>Till both mens' singles and womens' singles winners have been announced, and we can include them in a single, grammatical blurb. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 08:44, 10 June 2017 (UTC)</s> till we have at least one winner, per below. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 09:33, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*Previously for tennis majors when the women's article was ready we've posted that and updated the blurb with the men's when that comes in. I prefer that approach. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 08:58, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, you're right. We doesn't have to wait for both winners, because could be complicated to include Halep's World No.1 if she will win. <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">[[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:black">'''Eugεn'''</span>]][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:gold">'''S¡m¡on'''</span>]]</span> 09:06, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Lacks a match summary. When I click on an article I'd like to read what the French Open was about. What I got from the article is a bunch of stats (why don't I just visit the official website?) and trivia (why should I care that Ostapenko was the first Latvian?). What I don't get is a description of how she won the title. Did you know she lost the first set? How? Oh, I just read the score and clicked on a reference. That defeats the purpose of highlighting the article.
:I would also wait for the men's singles to conclude before posting since ITNSPORTS explicitly states both male and female events. Posting one and forgoing consensus to post the other, to me at least, looks like an excuse to use ITN primarily as a news ticker. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 16:44, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Men's singles have concluded. [[User:A lad insane|<span style="color:#10aeeb;">-A la</span><span style="color:#000000;">d</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/A lad insane|<span style="color:#ef0000;">insane</span>]] [[User talk:A lad insane|<span style="color:#ff00f7;"><small>(Channel 2)</small></span>]] 00:53, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' both men's and women's articles are lacking prose summaries. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:42, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Added''' a more appropriate (approximate) alt blurb 2. [[Special:Contributions/24.17.193.221|24.17.193.221]] ([[User talk:24.17.193.221|talk]]) 15:39, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 9 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2017 June 9]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2017 June 9}}
{{cob}}
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==== [Posted] [[United Nations Ocean Conference]] ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = United Nations Ocean Conference
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = On June 9 the '''[[United Nations Ocean Conference]]''' concludes with a Call for Action for the [[marine conservation|conservation]] and [[Sustainability#Freshwater_and_oceans|sustainable]] use of the [[ocean]]s, seas and marine resources.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = On 9 June the '''[[United Nations Ocean Conference]]''' ends at the [[United Nations]] Headquarters in New York City.
| altblurb2     = On 9 June the '''[[United Nations Ocean Conference]]''' concludes with a Call for Action for the [[marine conservation|conservation]] and [[Sustainability#Freshwater_and_oceans|sustainable]] use of the [[ocean]]s, seas and marine resources signed by representatives of the 193 UN member states.
| altblurb3     = On 9 June the '''[[United Nations Ocean Conference]]''' concludes with a Call for Action for the [[marine conservation|conservation]] and [[Sustainability#Freshwater_and_oceans|sustainable]] use of the [[ocean]]s, seas and marine resources signed by representatives of the 193 UN member states, over 1,300 [[voluntary commitment]]s and financial pledges.
| altblurb4     = The inaugural '''[[United Nations Ocean Conference]]''' concludes with over 1,300 voluntary commitments by UN member states on [[marine protected area]]s, [[marine debris]] reduction and other strategic measures to promote [[marine conservation]] and [[sustainability#freshwater and oceans|sustainable use]] of marine resources.
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fixuture <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = ''Global, highly notable news which got extensive news coverage around the world and is more than appropriate here.''
:What follows is a list of arguments that speak for an inclusion of the item in the ''In the news''-section. Further down you will find a '''tl;dr'''. {{Collapse|1=It is a bit lengthy as I intended to properly include all major arguments for inclusion and as I consider this a discussion of high global importance (due to which I dedicated my time and effort to it). I also ask for a proper discussion which requires some time to unfold and opposers to address the specific points made if they choose to oppose the inclusion:
:* It gained major news coverage around the world, among those covering it are:
::* US- and UK-based press: [http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40195664 BBC], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/un-chief-warns-oceans-are-under-threat-as-never-before/2017/06/05/7c849742-4a15-11e7-987c-42ab5745db2e_story.html Washington Post], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/zimbabwes-leader-angers-some-with-latest-overseas-trip/2017/06/07/946958a0-4b7f-11e7-987c-42ab5745db2e_story.html "2], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/monacos-ruler-trump-should-listen-to-scientists-on-climate/2017/06/07/3eeca946-4bce-11e7-987c-42ab5745db2e_story.html "3], [http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/07/world/small-island-nations-un-ocean-conference/index.html CNN], [http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/07/opinions/decline-of-the-oceans-opinion-lind-tanzer/index.html "2], [http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/un-secretary-general-guterres-says-worlds-oceans-are-facing-unprecedented-threat.html CNBC], [http://news.sky.com/story/environment-experts-tell-donald-trump-dont-forget-the-oceans-10907932 SkyNews], [https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/19/more-plastic-than-fish-in-the-sea-by-2050-warns-ellen-macarthur The Guardian], [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/09/nine-of-worlds-biggest-fishing-firms-sign-up-to-protect-oceans "2], [http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-08/pacific-leaders-set-the-agenda-for-world-oceans-day/8597994 ABC News], [https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/campaigns/elephant-campaign/gabon-to-create-one-of-africa-s-largest-marine-protected-areas-a7774271.html The Independent], [http://time.com/4808959/climate-change-sylvia-earle-oceans-week/ TIME], [http://www.ibtimes.com/un-ocean-conference-2017-seeks-avoid-climate-change-catastrophe-2548332 International Business Times] and [http://uk.reuters.com/article/world-oceans-fish-idUKL8N1J23IZ Reuters], [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-oceans-idUSKBN18Q1T5 "2]
::* Some other major press: [https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/un-konferenz-ozeane-101.html Tagesschau], [http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2097397/chinese-club-unveils-open-ocean-yacht-race-plan-un-conference South China Morning Post], [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-06/10/c_136355019.htm Xinhua], [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/chief-warns-oceans-threat-170605205005263.html Al Jazeera], [http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-kerala/city-based-ngo-to-attend-ocean-meet/article18717019.ece The Hindu]
:* A conference
::* by the United Nations
::* unique in kind and a premier
::* With extensive press coverage around the world
::* on a highly signficiant subject that affects billions worldwide
::* where important and grand decisions that affect billions worldwide have been made
::is very notable imo.
:* Some important decisions were made as outcome of the conference. Note that in the 1st discussion Sca stated "''Wake me up when it's over.''" and 331dot stated "''That would change if something of note occurs there, such as a notable agreement or other change in policy.''". The conference has ended now.
::<u>'''The outcomes include:'''</u><br/>
::* <u>Over 1300 voluntary commitments for action</u> − such as on [[marine protected area]]s − have been made
::* Indonesia published its Vessel Monitoring System platform for fishing transparency and management
::* Delegates from China, Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines made a promise to work to keep plastic out of the oceans([http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40195664]) among other things
::* <u>China plans to establish 10 to 20 "demonstration zones" by 2020, introduced a regulation which requires that 35 percent of the country's total shoreline should be natural by 2020 and started an international sailing competition among other things and promises</u>
::* Gabon announced that it will create one of <u>Africa’s largest marine protected areas with around 53,000 square kilometres</u> of ocean when combined with its existing zones.
::* The Maldives announced a phase out of its non-biodegradable plastic, Austria pledged to reduce the number of plastic bags used per person to 25 a year by 2019 and Pakistan announced its first marine protected area.
::* A $1 million grant was added to the US-based international wildlife organisation Wildlife Conservation Society's $15 million MPA Fund created in 2016
::* Germany pledged to allocate <u>€670 million</u> for marine conservation projects and made 11 voluntary commitments
::* <u>Nine of the world’s biggest fishing companies</u> from Asia, Europe and the US have signed up for The Seafood Business for Ocean Stewardship (SeaBOS) initiative, supported by the Stockholm Resilience Centre, aiming to end unsustainable practices.
::* Outcomes also include various statements of high-level national officials such as by Bolivia's President Evo Morales, Albert II, Prince of Monaco, India's Minister of State for External Affairs M. J. Akbar and many others
::* A "Call for Action" declaration signed by the 193 UN member states has been made unitedly; by consensus it adoption a 14-point Call for Action where participating Heads of State and Government and senior representatives "affirm our strong commitment to conserve and sustainably use our oceans, seas and marine resources tor sustainable development."
::It has been called a success. (e.g. see  [https://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=56947], [https://fijisun.com.fj/2017/06/10/editorial-ocean-conference-a-success-but-what-happens-after-is-equally-important/], [http://sdg.iisd.org/news/un-ocean-conference-opens-in-new-york-providing-last-opportunity-to-reverse-ocean-decline/])
:* Other conferences of similar kind have been featured earlier. They include:
::* [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/November_2011#.5BPosted.5D_First_gas_summit_of_the_Gas_Exporting_Countries_Forum|The First gas summit of the Gas Exporting Countries Forum]] (note that a point for inclusions there was that it was the "first summit of the organization which members have 2/3 of world natural gas reserves"; similar to that this is the first UN Ocean Conference and members are responsible for the health of around 3/3 of the natural water reserves)
::* [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/April_2009#UN conference on racism in Geneva|UN conference on racism in Geneva]]
::* [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/December_2009#United_Nations_Climate_Change_Conference_2009|United Nations Climate Change Conference 2009]] (note: while some leaned towards waiting until they "come up with something significant" it was added before anything of that sort occured due to consensus)
::* [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/December_2011#.5BPosted.5D_2011_United_Nations_Climate_Change_Conference|The 2011 United Nations Climate Change Conference]] (note: it was featured before it ended with a major point being it being a "major international event, though outcomes are currently unclear and articles will continue to be updated")
::* [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/December_2009#United_Nations_Climate_Change_Conference_2009|The 2012 United Nations Climate Change Conference]] (note: highly related to this nomination; there an "extension of the Kyoto Protocol until 2020" was agreed upon)
::* [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2005#July_9|The 31st G8 summit]] where "Scotland pledged US$50 billion in aid to fight poverty in Africa"
::* [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/June_2010#36th G8 summit and 2010 G-20 Toronto summit in Canada|The 36th G8 summit and 2010 G-20 Toronto summit in Canada]] (note that the size of the participating members' economies as well as their share in the world's population were points for the inclusion there; similarly the participating members' economies of this conference is huge as well and it affects all of the world's population)
::* [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2011#.5BPosted.5D_G8_summit_pledges_support_for_Arab_Spring|The 37th G8 summit]] (note that it was featured while it took place after a decision of "financial support for the Arab Spring" has been made there)
::* [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2012#.5BPosted.5D_G8_Summit|The 38th G8 summit]] (note that it was featured while it took place and not afterwards)
::* [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/June_2013#.5BPosted.5D_G8_summit|The 39th G8 summit]] (note that this one was featured after it took place and with its conclusion of "nations signing a seven-point declaration on the Syrian civil war")
:::[[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/June_2012#United_Nations_Conference_on_Sustainable_Development|The 2012 United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development]] was not featured due to the opposition of 3 users of which 1 has been banned now and with another user stating: {{tq|This is what those "people" get paid for. What editor here gets on ITN for showing up to work?}} [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/November_2013#2013_United_Nations_Climate_Change_Conference|The 2013 United Nations Climate Change Conference]] was also not featured due to 1 user opposing and a "walkout by ministers and NGOs" at / perceived failure of the conference.
: 
:* The [[Wikipedia:In_the_news#Purpose|purpose of ITN is described as]]:
::* To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.
::* To showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events.
::* To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.
::* To emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource.
::I think this nomination perfectly fits this as a) it was extensively covered by the news and is of high interest to the public b) the article in question is quality content on a current event c) is about a subject many readers are likely to be interested in (as it affects all of them and as this subject is of high importance) d) it emphasizes Wikipedia as a dynamic resource of the world

:If you don't like the blurb and altblurbs suggest more alternative ones. Please note that [[WP:DEM|Wikipedia is not a democracy]]; its "means of decision making and conflict resolution is editing and discussion leading to consensus—not voting" and that such should be based upon the merit of arguments made.  Especially due to this I ask opposers to make very clear ''why'' they oppose the inclusion of this despite the points I made here.
|2=Nominator's reasoning for inclusion}}
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'''TL;DR''':

:* It gained major news coverage around the world such as: [http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40195664 BBC], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/un-chief-warns-oceans-are-under-threat-as-never-before/2017/06/05/7c849742-4a15-11e7-987c-42ab5745db2e_story.html Washington Post], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/zimbabwes-leader-angers-some-with-latest-overseas-trip/2017/06/07/946958a0-4b7f-11e7-987c-42ab5745db2e_story.html "2], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/monacos-ruler-trump-should-listen-to-scientists-on-climate/2017/06/07/3eeca946-4bce-11e7-987c-42ab5745db2e_story.html "3], [http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/07/world/small-island-nations-un-ocean-conference/index.html CNN], [http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/07/opinions/decline-of-the-oceans-opinion-lind-tanzer/index.html "2], [http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/un-secretary-general-guterres-says-worlds-oceans-are-facing-unprecedented-threat.html CNBC], [http://news.sky.com/story/environment-experts-tell-donald-trump-dont-forget-the-oceans-10907932 SkyNews], [https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/19/more-plastic-than-fish-in-the-sea-by-2050-warns-ellen-macarthur The Guardian], [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/09/nine-of-worlds-biggest-fishing-firms-sign-up-to-protect-oceans "2], [http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-08/pacific-leaders-set-the-agenda-for-world-oceans-day/8597994 ABC News], [https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/campaigns/elephant-campaign/gabon-to-create-one-of-africa-s-largest-marine-protected-areas-a7774271.html The Independent], [http://time.com/4808959/climate-change-sylvia-earle-oceans-week/ TIME], [http://www.ibtimes.com/un-ocean-conference-2017-seeks-avoid-climate-change-catastrophe-2548332 International Business Times] and [http://uk.reuters.com/article/world-oceans-fish-idUKL8N1J23IZ Reuters], [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-oceans-idUSKBN18Q1T5 "2], (non US/UK:) [https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/un-konferenz-ozeane-101.html Tagesschau], [http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2097397/chinese-club-unveils-open-ocean-yacht-race-plan-un-conference South China Morning Post], [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-06/10/c_136355019.htm Xinhua], [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/chief-warns-oceans-threat-170605205005263.html Al Jazeera], [http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-kerala/city-based-ngo-to-attend-ocean-meet/article18717019.ece The Hindu]
:* It perfectly fits [[Wikipedia:In_the_news#Purpose|the purpose of ITN]]
:* A conference a) by the United Nations b) on a highly signficiant subject that affects billions worldwide c) that is unique in kind and a premier and d) has gotten extensive press coverage around the world is very notable
:* Other conferences of similar kind have been featured earlier
:* The conference has been called a success and resulted in many significant outcomes
:* I'm asking those opposing inclusion to please address my points<br/>
| sign          = [[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 17:00, 10 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*Can you please condense the above wall of text (preferably collapsed and then summarised in 1-2 short paragraphs or 6-8 sentences) so that those who may be interested in the nomination can assess it without being put off by the length. I personally do not enjoy having to scroll several times to get to the bottom of a nom <small>(especially those 'heading towards a no-consensus' extended discussions). [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 17:27, 10 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
**Alright. Added a short summary of the points below it. The sentence on top was intended to be the short version. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 17:42, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
***<small>As a sidenote I'd like to clarify that no individual, organization, company or nation has asked me to create that article or any ITN nomination or has otherwise directed any of my contributions to Wikipedia. I did this entirely on my own, in my spare time, as citizen of Earth and out of interest in the preservation and well-being of my [[Homo sapiens|species]], Earth and Wikipedia. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 17:56, 10 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose'''. Not notable. End of story. [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:9:5:0:0:0:B5|2600:387:9:5:0:0:0:B5]] ([[User talk:2600:387:9:5:0:0:0:B5|talk]]) 17:45, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
** {{ping|2600:387:9:5:0:0:0:B5}} I'd like to note that this does not address #2 of my arguments for inclusion where I described how it's notable (i.e. why would you find it not notable?). --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 18:10, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. 9 June or 9 July? I've added '''altblurb4''' to reflect this being the first conference. The article IMO requires some cleanup and more focus on the history of efforts and condensing the agreements into a more uniform section rather than a disparate list. If an online summary of the Call to Action is available, this should be cited and made easy to find in the article. [[Special:Contributions/171.116.245.211|171.116.245.211]] ([[User talk:171.116.245.211|talk]]) 17:49, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
**{{ping|171.116.245.211}} Oops 9 June of course: fixed it. Thank you for adding an altblurb. The article might not be perfect but it's definitely of sufficient quality for ITN. But please go ahead and improve it. Furthermore it would be nice if you could specify what needs cleanup so that it could be carried out. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 18:02, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' but principally due to the state of the article. There should be a clear section about the outcomes and summarizing the wall of text above, along with any pending things that are being taking back to national governments. It also needs to avoid a lot of prose line.  I otherwise don't find any issue with posting the closing of the conference. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:13, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

::{{ping|Masem}} Alright. I just added an "Outcomes" section to the article which should make that clearer. Which "pending things" are you referring to? What prose lines do you mean and why should respective be avoided? --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 18:24, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
:::See the comments from Spencer and 331dot below. The importance is there, and sourcing might be, but we're still looking at a poorly written article which can't go on the front page yet. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 19:22, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Alright I just improved it. I'll keep working on it by some additional minor changes. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 20:17, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' Leaning toward supporting, but the article seems to be sections filled with 1- or 2-sentence paragraphs/quotes, without good organization or flow, making it a little hard to follow. Were there any significant multi-national agreements? [[United_Nations_Ocean_Conference#Outcomes]] seems to be "Nation X did this, Nation Y announces this, Nation Z pledged money", but it's not grouped in an organized manner. First short paragraph is about plastics, second paragraph is about (actually I'm not 100% sure since the quote from China is a little bit vague)...fishing?, the third is about a marine protected area, the fourth has some information about plastics and then a marine protected area, etc. I don't know if a chronological ordering is better, or something based on themes (there are private sector and research projects section, but additional sections as well).  '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 18:59, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|Spencer}} Alright, I will try to improve it.
::{{Gt|but the article seems to be sections filled with 1- or 2-sentence paragraphs/quotes, without good organization or flow}}
::Could you please help me correct these then? I don't see how they're badly organized or how the flow would be bad. However, English is not my native language so that might impair me a bit in improving its flow. I do think that the article's quality can be improved but that it's sufficient for ITN inclusion − especially when considering that the article hasn't existed since long ago and that articles are typically improved over time.
::{{Gt|Were there any significant multi-national agreements?}}
::Yes. See the outcomes section: mainly it's the Call for Action. But the outcomes aren't constrained to multi-national agreements. There have also been voluntary national commitments for instance.
::{{Gt|"Nation X did this, Nation Y announces this, Nation Z pledged money", but it's not grouped in an organized manner. First short paragraph is about plastics, second paragraph is about (actually I'm not 100% sure since the quote from China is a little bit vague)...fishing?, the third is about a marine protected area, the fourth has some information about plastics and then a marine protected area, etc. I don't know if a chronological ordering is better, or something based on themes (there are private sector and research projects section, but additional sections as well)}}
::Good point. I will try to improve the ordering. I think they should be ordered by ''theme and actor'' (e.g. private sector). However I invite you to help improve it according to what you think would be more appropriate.
::--[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 19:47, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Spencer}} I just improved it. I also added comments in the page's source that explain the content & ordering (note that subsections for each of them wouldn't make sense imo). --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 20:17, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Unfortunately, I'm quite busy at work this week and don't have the time to work on correcting this on my own. I did a quick search for UN conferences that have been posted on ITN before, but none are similar enough to see if they're a good guide (I found [[2011 United Nations Climate Change Conference]] and [[Durban Review Conference]], but ITN standards may have changed slightly since those were posted). The organization is still confusing. I see in paragraph 2 that "China, Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines" made plastics-related pledges, and then 6 paragraphs later, The "Maldives announced a phase out of its non-biodegradable plastic, Austria pledged to reduce the number of plastic bags used per person to 25 a year by 2019". Again, grouping these ideas thematically would make a little more sense in my mind (putting all plastics-related things together in a paragraph, putting all protected areas together in a paragraph, etc.). A summary of the Call to Action would likely be helpful as well. Thank you for your work on the article! Best, '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 17:55, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Spencer}} I'm not sure if collapsing my reasoning was a good idea - there I listed all the many similar conferences that have been featured (including notes). Please take a look.
:::::{{Gt|I see in paragraph 2 that "China, Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines" made plastics-related pledges, and then 6 paragraphs later, The "Maldives announced a phase out of its non-biodegradable plastic, Austria pledged to reduce the number of plastic bags used per person to 25 a year by 2019".}}
:::::Okay, that's a good point. I wasn't sure if it should be kept like this. I will fix it. Note that those other countries don't work as directly to keep plastics out of the oceans as they're not bordering them.
:::::{{Gt|Again, grouping these ideas thematically would make a little more sense in my mind (putting all plastics-related things together in a paragraph, putting all protected areas together in a paragraph, etc.). A summary of the Call to Action would likely be helpful as well.}}
:::::That's a good point too and I will try to improve it further accordingly. It could mean that some country-paragraphs need to be split though. And I will also see if I can get together a proper summary of the Call to Action.
:::::Thank you for your constructive input!
:::::--[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 18:08, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::: I made a number of improvements now. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 19:52, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::::'''Support'''. Concerns have largely been addressed and I made a few tweaks. Would also like to see a summary of the call to action, but I think it's in a minimum state of readiness at this point. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 10:29, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*Very '''Weak support''' of altblurb 1 pending article improvement as noted above.  Given the TLDR wall of text(now condensed) above and other explanations by the nominator I'm concerned that this would be seen as [[WP:SOAPBOX|promoting a cause]] which is why I strongly oppose the longer explanatory blurbs.  I am also concerned because "calls to action" and "voluntary commitments" are largely toothless platitudes and talk(and likely these 'voluntary commitments' were things that were going to happen anyway) No binding treaty came out of this conference.  Also, while this is mentioned in many news outlets it isn't top headline news. Other conferences (G7, for one) get far more attention.  All that said, there probably is enough coverage on this, and there was enough participation(most countries, it seems) that it merits posting. This being the first such conference is notable as well. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:01, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
:I would also encourage the nominator to not try as hard next time.  If a nomination merits inclusion it will stand on its own without long explanations and professions of posting this without prompting by anyone else.  I (and others) assume nothing about the motivations of the nominator without evidence; repeated claims of a lack of association or prompting might lead some to think the opposite. Just a thought. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:03, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|331dot}}
::{{Gt|I am also concerned because "calls to action" and "voluntary commitments" are largely toothless platitudes and talk(and likely these 'voluntary commitments' were things that were going to happen anyway) No binding treaty came out of this conference.}}
::You do have a point there. However the outcomes are not constrained to just "calls to action" and "voluntary commitments". Furthermore those are signficant enough already. Saying they are "largely toothless platitudes" would mean that the organizations and nations which made them have no credibility. I don't think that this is the case. And in addition to that they are ''also'' significant as they are the plans our species has come up for the management of a range of global problems.
::{{Gt|Also, while this is mentioned in many news outlets it isn't top headline news.}}
::True, but that's not a criteria for ITN inclusion. (Also it has been somewhat headliny in some countries and some press organizations, albeit definitely not "top headline news".)
::Thank you for your input.
::--[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 19:47, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' it ended with a "call for action"?  Well that's bound to save the oceans then.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:33, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|The Rambling Man}} I'd like to note that the call for action is not the only outcome of this event. Please do see #3 of my arguments for inclusion above. Furthermore it's significant as that's basically the plans our species has come up for the management of a range of global problems. Furthermore it's not just some call for action but a call for action signed by all delegates of all UN member states. Its sufficiency for solving this problem is not a criteria for inclusion. It seems more like you'd oppose specific blurbs which may make it appear as if the call for action was the only outcome of the conference. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 19:53, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but people make pledges and promises and sign up to treaties all the time and fail to meet the or remove themselves.  This will be nothing different.  I'm not changing my position on this, thanks. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:25, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Thank you for your elaboration. You don't need to of course.  However I'd just like to note that the subject/cause of pledges, promises and treaties as well as the level they're made on / the participating parties can make them signficant despite of that. Furthermore I think that "this will be nothing different" and that basically "they're meaningless as they're not met all the time" is a subjective judgement which may or may not be a POV or accurate. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 20:32, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' so far participation in this discussion is rather low. I hope it's okay if I invite more participants by creating requests for comments on relevant WikiProjects or should I rather wait with that? Note that RfCs come with info here on which audience was invited to the discussion and that others can create RfCs too. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 22:05, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
::I think that if you feel it necessary you are safe in notifying relevant WikiProjects as long as you do so neutrally(i.e. not encouraging only potential supporters to come here); any more and you might be considered to be [[WP:CANVASS|canvassing]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:15, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ping|331dot}} It's sad to see only so few participating. I will notify 3 of the 7 WikiProjects set on the article, namely [[WP:WikiProject Oceans|WikiProject Oceans]], [[WP:WikiProject International relations|WikiProject International relations]] and [[WP:WikiProject Environment|WikiProject Environment]]. I will do so in around 30 minutes and with a neutral message that only notifies them about this discussion. I have made the experience that only very few WikiProject members do check for new entries on the relevant talk pages so it probably won't help. However, ''if'' some actually come here due to these notifications and ''if'' other participants in here think there was bias in the selection of WikiProjects which were invited I suggest them to invite members of other WikiProjects via the same way. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 17:31, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  Comments have been requested on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Oceans]]. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 18:34, 11 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  Comments have been requested on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject International relations]]. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 18:34, 11 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  Comments have been requested on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Environment]]. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 18:34, 11 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
*'''Support''' - Article looks good [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 03:55, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' - this sounds like one of those things where steady progress will be made, but there are no flashy headlines. If we look at the UN story on this [http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=56947#.WT8-4GiGOUk] then there's quite a lot of reasons in favour of posting. It's the first conference of its kind, 6000 people participated (big by all standards for conferences), and there were 1300 voluntary commitments. Since there are fewer than 300 countries in this world, this is an average of some 5 commitments per country, which is certainly substantial. Add that to the fact that there clearly is space on ITN right now and I think it's sufficient to support this. Weak support because of the dearth of mainstream coverage - but as mentioned, it's something that doesn't have flashy headlines. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:28, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - a short summary of the debate thus far: '''5''' supports; '''3''' oppose. The '''supports''' include 2 "weak" ones and the nominator. The '''oppose''' include 1 IP editor of 5 edits noncomprehensively objecting due to unnotability, 1 objecting due to the state of the article which has been improved therafter and 1 objecting due to notability concerns which are addressed in my collapsed reasoning, Banedon's rationale and my comment on it. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 22:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:28, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Adam West ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Adam West
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40235142 BBC], [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/adam-west-dead-batman-star-832264 ''Hollywood Reporter''], [http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/adam-west-dead-dies-batman-1202461532/ ''Variety''], [https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/jun/10/adam-west-batman-actor-dies-leukaemia ''The Guardian''], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/adam-west-the-actor-forever-known-as-tvs-batman-dies-at-88/2017/06/10/76ecc752-4df1-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html ''Washington Post'']
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Aiken drum <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = MBlaze Lightning <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Actor most famous for playing Batman. Article is lengthy enough but not everything is cited.
| sign          = '''[[User:Aiken drum|Aiken D]]''' 15:41, 10 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Unfortunately, the article is in really bad shape. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:28, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Are most of the sources about his ancestry reliable? From [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adam_West&oldid=784906020 this] diff I mean sources 6, 7, 8 and 9. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 16:36, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now. This one is going to take a lot of work to get it up to scratch. Huge gaps in referencing to the point where putting up CN tags would be a waste of time. I just tagged the whole article for ref improve. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:49, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article seems adequate and, in any case, our readers will be reading it in large numbers regardless.  The subject is a major pop culture figure and it looks insensitive and clueless if we don't update the main page in a timely way. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 21:17, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' far too inadequately sourced for main page inclusion.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' good enough. '''''[[User_talk:Rami R|<span style="color:black;">Rami</span>]] [[User:Rami R|<span style="color:red;">R</span>]]''''' 14:21, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
::No, it's not. We don't post poor quality articles to the main page. And there are orange tags on the article which are a showstopper at ITN. Referencing remains unacceptably low. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 14:28, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I know, and yet I have no idea why. It's in the news now, and should be posted now. The free encyclopedia that anyone can edit shouldn't worry about giving its readers reasons to edit. '''''[[User_talk:Rami R|<span style="color:black;">Rami</span>]] [[User:Rami R|<span style="color:red;">R</span>]]''''' 17:13, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Would something like ''[http://www.cengage.com/search/productOverview.do;jsessionid=CE23C2D61B1CA72065B97A9A43440D48?N=197+4294893162&Ntk=P_EPI&Ntt=5424780491081646780402018626382457079&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchallpartial Contemporary Theatre, Film & Television]'' from Gale be an acceptable source for film credits? [[User: Zagalejo|Zagal<span style="color:green;">e</span>jo]]'''[[User talk:Zagalejo|^^^]]''' 18:12, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
::::I would tend to think that passes WP:RS. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 18:37, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Per Andrew D. [[User:A Quest For Knowledge|A Quest For Knowledge]] ([[User talk:A Quest For Knowledge|talk]]) 18:15, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Too much unreferenced content.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 18:25, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' for those who wish to post poorly sourced BLPs, both the German and the French Wikipedias promote that kind of approach, in fact it seems that a single admin gets to add these things to their main page.  Here, on en.wiki, we have a threshold below which we don't publish articles onto the main page.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:27, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - no way we're lowering our standards to get this up on the Main page: this RD-nomination ''still'' needs a lot more sourcing. But it has improved some in the last 2 days, I'll say that. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 00:32, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Everything under Career, except "Batman" and "2010s", needs more references.  An edit for style wouldn't hurt, either.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.163.160|128.214.163.160]] ([[User talk:128.214.163.160|talk]]) 07:10, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' until it's brought up to code. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 15:19, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - a big thank you to [[User: MBlaze Lightning]] who has added an "under construction" template and has radically improved the references. Can't be far off the required quality now. Films and TV seem to be fully sourced. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:33, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' 19 [citation needed] indicates we're not that close to the quality required at this time. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:32, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
:*17 of those are for TV shows which have their own wiki articles and where West is already sourced? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:48, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
::*You mean "where West is already ''mentioned''".  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:50, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
::* {{ec}} {{u|Martinevans123}} The same issue came up at [[#2017 Stanley Cup Finals]].  One editor's answer was: {{tq|[B]old links from the Main Page are held to higher standards than other articles. Consensus at ITN has been that every section needs references.}}  In other words, this article probably (I'm new to ITNC.) won't be accepted unless those refs are carried over to the [[Adam West]] page. <b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">—</span></b> [[User:Gestrid|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:maroon">Gestrid</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Gestrid#top|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">talk</span></b>]]) 18:55, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
:::*Yes, I think you're right there. I'm sure if everyone who's commented added just a couple of sources, the article would be ready in just a few minutes. Is IMDb acceptable as a source? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:01, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
::::* I would say probably not.  Even though every edit to IMDb pages is apparently reviewed, we have no idea how much effort they actually put forward in verifying the edits, and all those edits come from its users ([[WP:USERG]]).  An essay (''not'' policy) on citing IMDb can be found at [[Wikipedia:Citing IMDb]]. <b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">—</span></b> [[User:Gestrid|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:maroon">Gestrid</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Gestrid#top|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">talk</span></b>]]) 19:11, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::* <small>Ah, right. I may need to reconsider my two edits. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:15, 12 June 2017 (UTC) </small>
*'''Moot''' Despite ITN's snub and the nay-sayers' tag-bombing, the article has had well over a million readers – [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2017-05-24&end=2017-06-13&pages=Trento_Longaretti%7CErrol_Christie|Glenne_Headly|Ed_Victor|Adam_West more than all current RD entries combined]. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 08:40, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - the article now has only one remaining "citation needed" tag. If that really is a show-stopper, the claim could easily be deleted or commented out. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:14, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is well-referenced now. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 11:59, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Now sufficiently referenced.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 12:21, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - I think the article is ready now.[[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:31, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Marking as ready''' - There has been a noticeable shift to support in terms of consensus in latest votes following the significant updates. I'm marking as ready, though per [[User:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]], we may have missed the boat on this one unfortunately. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 16:36, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
*:Yes, now five days ago. Hardly "in the news" any more? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:16, 14 June 2017 (UTC) <small>But great to see the ''[[Daily Mail]]'' breaking the [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4594692/Batman-icon-Adam-West-led-secret-life-sex-booze.html real story]... </small>
*'''Posted''' --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 23:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] Shanghai Cooperation Organisation ====
{{archive top|No consensus. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:30, 16 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Shanghai Cooperation Organisation<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| blurb         = India and Pakistan join the [[Shanghai Cooperation Organisation]].
| sources       = [http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-pak-enter-shanghai-group-pm-modi-message-to-xi-jinping-and-nawaz-sharif-4696899/ ''The Indian Express''], [https://www.rferl.org/a/shanghai-cooperation-organization-meeting-astana/28537493.html Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty], [https://www.rt.com/news/391666-sco-expands-eight-countries/ RT]
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/61.245.25.4|61.245.25.4]] ([[User talk:61.245.25.4|talk]]) 06:25, 10 June 2017 (UTC) ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 12:14, 8 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' two reasons: (a) so what? (b) target is woefully referenced and nowhere near the quality needed for main page inclusion. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:46, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose'''.  Not clear on the significance of this.  Many of these sorts of groupings are largely toothless and/or have little influence on policies.  I would need some sort of explanation about why this is important. Article quality is also a concern as TRM states. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:36, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' While it isn't an issue in this instance as the fact can easily be sourced elsewhere, the day Wikipedia accepts either RFE/RL or Russia Today as reliable sources is the day we may as well give up and go home.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 15:21, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This seems to be a minor regional grouping, and even having read the article I don't get any sense of its actual purpose or that it undertakes really significant activities. This doesn't seem to be hitting the news anywhere outside the countries involved; whilst one might suspect that's a reflection of our bias, it may also suggest that the organisation just isn't that relevant in international terms. There's an absence of any compelling reasons to post - the nomination didn't even attempt to convince us. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:03, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
::I think this is a reflection of bias. This organization covers most of Asia in area, and includes the two most populous countries in the world as well as two of the five permanent members of the UN security council. Saying it lacks international relevance is clearly incorrect too since there are so many countries in the organization (by definition making it international). If this is not posted it should only be because of article quality. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:33, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
{{archive bottom}}
== June 8 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2017 June 8]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2017 June 8}}
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==== [Posted] RD: Glenne Headly ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Glenne Headly
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/glenne-headly-dies-age-63-1202459901/ Variety] 
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = MBlaze Lightning <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = MBlaze Lightning <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 16:55, 9 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Too much unreferenced content.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 22:46, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per above. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:45, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Article is now well-referenced. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 16:27, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now, because of close paraphrasing issues: [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Glenne+Headly&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0]. I'm assuming the first, flagrant violation is youtube lifting from Wikipedia, but the second hit is also a problem. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 16:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
:*The close paraphrasing issues have been addressed so it should be good to go now. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 08:21, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
*{{ping|Ad Orientem}} Please post it before it becomes stale. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 05:14, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:48, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

==== RD: James Hardy ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = James Hardy (American football)
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-james-hardy-body-found-20170608-story.html LA Times]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Thechased <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Thechased|Thechased]] ([[User talk:Thechased|talk]]) 20:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' short and weak in references. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:52, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Too much unreferenced content.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 22:48, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] United Kingdom general election, 2017 ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = United Kingdom general election, 2017<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In the '''[[United Kingdom general election, 2017|UK general election]]''', the ruling [[Conservative Party (UK)|Conservative Party]] led by [[Theresa May]] (''pictured'') lose their [[parliamentary majority|majority]] but remain the largest party.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = (withdrawn) <!-- In the '''[[United Kingdom general election, 2017|UK general election]]''', the ruling [[Conservative Party (UK)|Conservative Party]] led by [[Theresa May]] (''pictured'') narrowly retain their [[parliamentary majority|majority]]. -->
| altblurb2     = In the '''[[United Kingdom general election, 2017|UK general election]]''', the ruling [[Conservative Party (UK)|Conservative Party]] led by [[Theresa May]] (''pictured'') lose their [[parliamentary majority|majority]] and enter a [[coalition government|coalition]] with the [[Democratic Unionist Party]].
| altblurb3     = In the '''[[United Kingdom general election, 2017|UK general election]]''', the ruling [[Conservative Party (UK)|Conservative Party]] led by [[Theresa May]] (''pictured'') lose their [[parliamentary majority|majority]] but are expected to remain in office with [[Democratic Unionist Party]] support.
| altblurb4     = In the '''[[United Kingdom general election, 2017|UK general election]]''', the ruling [[Conservative Party (UK)|Conservative Party]] (''leader [[Theresa May]] pictured'') lose their [[parliamentary majority|majority]] but remain the largest party
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Should have the results in 12 hours.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 12:14, 8 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Question''' - {{ping|Sherenk1}}: how will this play out as a news item on ITN? If Theresa May and the Tories simply maintain a majority of similar size to their current one (a likely outcome, given polls), the status quo will only slightly be changed, as the only major difference will be the length of time the Conservatives have in power. There will be no new PM or governing party in this scenario. If this transpires, will we post? [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 13:35, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
** A valid scenario but with a country as big/important in world politics as the UK, we would still post (presuming article quality), since the election results will be all over the news. The only time this may be a consideration is if we're talking a tiny nation where there's barely any coverage of an election that clearly was going to fall one way and did fall that way to no one's surprise; if we don't see major reporting about that, we'd possibly consider not posting due to lack of anything "newsworthy". --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:43, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
::::It's my understanding that ITNR covers even that scenario, so the only possibility that general elections are NOT posted is because they are not updated, article is otherwise in poor condition, or they are not nominated.  Even the "election" of President of Somalia got posted.  In any case, none of this applies to today's UK election.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.207|128.214.69.207]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.207|talk]]) 13:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::ITNR says we shouldn't question whether the election results from country X should be posted as to avoid that discussion at ITNC; but they do allow flexibility that exceptions can be made in the case of a tiny election that occurs as everyone in the world had expected, to the point where the "in the news" aspect might actually fail and there's minimal coverage of it. UK's election is not going to have minimal coverage particularly in light of the events there in the last few weeks. This one will be posted. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:58, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::There may not be a new governing party, but technically there will be a new government. Parliament has been dissolved so a new government must be formed at the invitation of the Queen.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 15:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::::National elections get posted even if there is no change in the status quo. Article looks great, looking forward to featuring once results are announced. --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 16:21, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the clarification. Answer understood. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 19:45, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' despite what Sherenk1 claims, I doubt we'll see a result until early morning tomorrow, possibly even 10 to 12 hours from now.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:47, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:*<big>'''↑'''</big> What he said. The unusual circumstances of this election, in which the North is expected to swing towards the Conservatives and the South East towards Labour, mean that even if the usual early-declaring northern seats like Sunderland show a huge Tory swing it can't be presumed that that swing will be replicated nationwide and that there will be a Tory landslide. Anyone who cares about the result of this election isn't going to be getting their updates from Wikipedia; this is a case where there really is no rush and it's better to be right than to be quick.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 19:51, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' This is looking like it could be a nail biter (huge upset for the Tories) and will probably take all night before we know for sure what the new Parliament will look like. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 23:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Close''' &ndash; it's going to be several hours before it's appropriate to consider posting, and the only measure on which this should be judged is the accuracy/neutrality of the blurb and the quality of the update, neither of which any reasonable person can assess yet. Can be presumed notable per ITNR. There's no argument of this somehow slipping by unnoticed, which is the usual argument given when an election in a non-English-speaking country is prematurely nominated. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 02:30, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
** It makes no sense to close given that we do anticipate some type of result in 24 hr. The date (for tracking purposes) won't change, so it would be renominated on this same day. Unless we hear that a full by-hand recount is in store, this will still be posted once a result is obtained. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 02:45, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
* For some actual constructive feedback, I've put up two blurbs, based on the two feasible outcomes at this point (Tories scrape a majority, or lose their majority but remain the largest party.) - based on the [[Wikipedia:Main Page history/2016 March 5|Irish election post]] from last year. Commented out is a blurb to be used if May resigns/is rolled. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 03:23, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Given that my suggestion of closure is not going to be implemented, I'd say that using the word "narrowly" in the event of a Tory majority would be inappropriate given that there was never a "large" majority post-2015. It would be narrow in the context of what was expected, anticipated, speculated upon, polling evidence and so on. But in the context of what Wikipedia would look back to &ndash; the 2015 result &ndash; it would not be that narrow. The primary blurb does seem the more likely to be needed at this stage, though we're firmly into tight marginal territory and therefore still too early to say.{{pb}}But my whole point about the absurdity of this nomination remains true. And I challenge anyone. Anyone. To explain to me the sense of nominating an ITNR of this high a profile before the outcome is known. It's just ludicrous.{{pb}}My reason for raising this question here, rather than take it to the talk page, is that the premature nature of this nomination will either slow down the posting of the article (as no-one has a clue when to look at the article to judge the update), or result in the article being posted before an update is here, as people vote based on the event's importance (which never was and never will be in doubt), and someone posts based on the votes. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 04:14, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
::* It gives time for interested parties to review the ''rest'' of the article for completeness and the like, so that once the event happens, and the article is update, the blurb can be posted in a timely manner. This is commonly done when the event is known to going to happen like elections or sporting events and where news coverage is 100% assured due to the magnitude of the event. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 04:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:::*I disagree with the argument, but appreciate the logical and succinct answer. Will drop for now as this is a done deal, and raise at a more appropriate time on talk. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 04:46, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' blurb 1. Barring the sky falling in in Fife North East and Brighton Pavillion, the Tories cannot mathematically reach 326. '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' ([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]]) 04:43, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*:Edit: Labour hold Ashfield. Tory would need to win '''every single seat''' to reach 326. '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' ([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]]) 04:46, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''', result officially confirmed by BBC after [[Southampton Test (UK Parliament constituency)]]. -- [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|<span style="color:red;">&hearts;</span>]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|<span style="color:red;">&diams;</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<span style="color:black;">&clubs;</span>]] &spades; 04:54, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now purely on article quality. There are some significant gaps in referencing near the top of the parties and candidates section and the results section needs significant expansion and better referencing. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 04:57, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:*I would refer my honourable friend to the answer I gave some moments ago. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 05:11, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - FWIW, the result is definitely a hung parliament. There is one seat left to declare, but the count there has been suspended to allow counters time to recuperate - see [http://www.independent.co.uk/News/uk/politics/kensington-election-results-suspend-vote-too-close-call-labour-conservative-recount-seat-tories-a7780956.html here]. The current blurb is fine. No comment on the state of the article - difficult to assess at the moment. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 09:14, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose for now''' as it needs improvement in current state - one sentence in the body of the article about the result, plus some extra details in the lead, is not enough.  No doubt it will improve later. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 09:42, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - Quality looks good, everything well cited. Added an alt-blurb about forming of coalition. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 09:48, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Quality looks good? The entirety of the text update is 21 words. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 09:58, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' with blurb 1. Factual and readers can click the article to find details on this complex situation. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 09:57, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:*I can only find 21 words of non-statistical analysis of this complex situation. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 09:58, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': I've added altblurb3 as altblurb2 seems factually wrong, but I've temporarily left altblurb2 in case somebody wants to correct it.[[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 10:05, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' any mention of coalition or agreements with the DUP - it is too early to say this for sure. It would be better to link [[hung parliament]] and/or [[minority government]]. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 10:15, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Along these lines, some possible alternate blurbs:<br>"In the '''[[United Kingdom general election, 2017|UK general election]]''', the ruling [[Conservative Party (UK)|Conservative Party]] led by [[Theresa May]] (''pictured'') forms a [[minority government]] with the [[Democratic Unionist Party]]." or<br>"The United Kingdom '''[[United Kingdom general election, 2017|elects]]''' a [[hung parliament]], as the ruling [[Conservative Party (UK)|Conservative Party]] led by [[Theresa May]] (''pictured'') lose their [[parliamentary majority|majority]] but remain the largest party."? [[User:Neegzistuoja|Neegzistuoja]] ([[User talk:Neegzistuoja|talk]]) 12:56, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' original blurb. Posting coalition details is CRYSTAL, and blurb can be changed through ERRORS should it be desirable to include later details.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.163.159|128.214.163.159]] ([[User talk:128.214.163.159|talk]]) 10:38, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb 4'''. The DUP issue is still unresolved and seems likely to be an informal understanding rather than a formal coalition. I therefore tweaked the blurb slightly to avoid mentioning them. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 10:43, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' original blurb, per 128... above. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 10:47, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' alternative blurb 3 - Not yet a formal coalition with the DUP, but it's clear they'll be working together [[User:LoudLizard|''LoudLizard'']] ([[User talk:LoudLizard#top|📞]] |[[Special:Contributions/LoudLizard| contribs]]  | [[Special:EmailUser/LoudLizard|✉]]) 12:12, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' alt blurb 3 as it is not yet clear whether it will be a formal coalition with the DUP.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 12:16, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I'm not sure what we're waiting for here - marking ready. It's on ITNR, the article is fine, and the posting admin can judge which blurb to use. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:09, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
** I don't see a clear consensus for which blurb to use, since there are subtle details about the election result that do seem to be needed to be communicated in this. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:30, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' For the blurb, consider precedent of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=361591168 the ITN post for the 2010 hung parliament]. Something similar might be:<br>"After the '''[[United Kingdom general election, 2017|general election]]''', [[Theresa May]] (pictured) of the [[Conservative Party (UK)|Conservative Party]] remains [[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom|Prime Minister]] of the [[United Kingdom]], heading a [[minority government]] with the [[Democratic Unionist Party]]." [[User:Neegzistuoja|Neegzistuoja]] ([[User talk:Neegzistuoja|talk]]) 13:21, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
**Technically, she has been to see the Queen and says she intends to form a government. It can't be emphasised enough that there is no formal agreement yet with the DUP. Breaking news is that they are "entering discussions" with the Conservatives. It is not until those discussions have taken place that we can be sure that this will happen. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 13:50, 9 June 2017 (UTC) <small>For anyone needing a refresher or intro to this, see [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40209087 here]. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 14:01, 9 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
*'''Posting''' (avoiding mention of the DUP) since article is in better updated shape than when I looked earlier.  If there are any suggestions for a better blurb, please go to [[WP:ERRORS]]. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 14:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Post-support for alternative blurb II''' Not the full story. Not sure how WP:ERRORS works so posting my comments here. [[Special:Contributions/65.95.136.96|65.95.136.96]] ([[User talk:65.95.136.96|talk]]) 23:08, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
**Best discussed at [[Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors]]. Just post your comments there. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 05:05, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Posted] Jebel Irhoud fossils of Homo sapiens====
{{ITN candidate
|article=Jebel Irhoud
|image=Homo sapiens from Jebel Irhoud.jpg
|blurb=[[Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology|Max Planck Institute]] analyses of fossils from '''[[Jebel Irhoud]]''', Morocco may indicate that ''[[Homo sapiens]]'' evolved at least 100,000 years earlier than previously thought.
|altblurb=Scientists of the [[Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology|Max Planck Institute]] analysed fossils found in '''[[Jebel Irhoud]]''', Morocco which suggest that [[Homo sapiens]] [[Human evolution|evolved]] over 300,000 years ago − 100,000 years earlier than previously thought.
|sources=[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/07/science/human-fossils-morocco.html],[http://www.nature.com/news/oldest-homo-sapiens-fossil-claim-rewrites-our-species-history-1.22114],[https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/07/oldest-homo-sapiens-bones-ever-found-shake-foundations-of-the-human-story],[http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/world-s-oldest-homo-sapiens-fossils-found-morocco]
|nominator=Prioryman
|sign=[[User:Prioryman|Prioryman]] ([[User talk:Prioryman|talk]]) 12:00, 8 June 2017 (UTC) 
|updated=yes
|updater=Prioryman
|updater2=Ipigott
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*'''Support''' major find in paleo-archaeology, increases the age of ''Homo sapiens'' by 50% and gives a broad continental domain for early humans.  While there have been lots of paleo-biological discoveries in the past few years, this single one convincingly challenges established theories of genesis and migration of humans on nearly all points.  Article is fine.  News was frontpaged on the BBC and LA Times early today, and also on ''Nature''s feed.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.207|128.214.69.207]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.207|talk]]) 13:36, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It's a published study in Nature, and the article seems fairly updated (only nit being that the dates that the modern excavation/aging have been done aren't clear). --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:19, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It's just a single study but it seems to be quite a significant challenge to the previous consensus about the date and location of the origin of our species. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 15:01, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:* Just to clarify, it's actually two separate but complementary studies published simultaneously in Nature. So it's stronger than a single study. [[User:Prioryman|Prioryman]] ([[User talk:Prioryman|talk]]) 15:14, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This was "breaking news" on the ''Guardian'' website yesterday :) Significant find, article updated.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 15:42, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Major news in all large networks, milestone in anthrop. science. -- [[User:Horst-schlaemma|Horst-schlaemma]] ([[User talk:Horst-schlaemma|talk]]) 18:17, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' is ready to go.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:20, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' a major finding. Very notable global news and signficant coverage. However I think that the blurb could be improved a bit. Added an altblurb (which could also be improved) as a suggestion. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 19:53, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' with original blurb, though I agree it's not optimal. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 00:30, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting comment''' This story shows just how tenuous science's grasp is on the homonid family tree. It is fortunate that the ''[[Graecopithecus]]'' story from May was not posted, but that finding is consistent with this one. <span style="font-family:Cambria;">[[User:Abductive|<span style="color:teal;">'''Abductive'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]])</span> 04:08, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' {{ping|Espresso Addict|Prioryman}} I do not believe we need to mention the Max Planck institute in this blurb. It seems to distract from the real story, which is the fossils. We could just begin "Analyses of fossils..." Would either of you object if I took it out? [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 10:45, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
::[[WP:ERRORS]] is where you want to go.  FWIW, I also think the blurb is too long and couched.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.163.159|128.214.163.159]] ([[User talk:128.214.163.159|talk]]) 12:08, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I agree that it's too long. I didn't add the first eight words of the blurb and I wouldn't mind if they were taken out. [[User:Prioryman|Prioryman]] ([[User talk:Prioryman|talk]]) 16:17, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Sure! It looks like it's been edited to lengthen since I put it up. If you are editing ITN, you could consider swapping this item up one; I put it in the second slot because of the image, which has now been swapped for Theresa May. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 20:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Trimmed and bumped up. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 01:25, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 7 ==
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==== [Posted] RD: Ed Victor ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ed Victor
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/jun/08/ed-victor-agent-to-the-stars-dies The Guardian], [http://www.nydailynews.com/newswires/entertainment/ed-victor-literary-agent-clapton-richards-dead-77-article-1.3230987 New York Daily News]
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| nominator     = MBlaze Lightning <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
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*'''Posted''' This one seems to have slipped through the cracks but it looks good to me. I am boldly posting it. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:10, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Trento Longaretti ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Trento Longaretti
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.ilgiorno.it/bergamo/cronaca/trento-longaretti-morto-1.3180338 Il Giorno], [http://www.corriere.it/cultura/17_giugno_07/trento-longaretti-pittore-morto-bergamo-92857cf4-4b6a-11e7-bcad-6e8de384d9e7.shtml Corriere]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = TDKR Chicago 101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
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| sign          = --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 01:23, 8 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' decent article, well referenced.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 05:34, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Comprehensive and well-written article with no referencing issues. Good to go. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:21, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 11:28, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*''Post-posted''-'''support''' – yes agree, this article is comprehensive and the sourcing is very good. Maybe it should be up for GA consideration (?). I randomly checked various Italian-language sources via Google Translate, and it seems that this article has been carefully attended to, by various editors, for awhile now. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 11:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] [Ongoing] The United Nations Ocean Conference ====
{{archive top | Closing good faith nom. Event not an ongoing ITN item. Consensus against posting was established when this was suggested as a blurb. Circumstances have not been altered since, and the nom features personal attacks on other editors. This won't be posted. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 00:29, 8 June 2017 (UTC)}}
 
{{ITN candidate
| article       = The United Nations Ocean Conference
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!--'''[[The United Nations Ocean Conference]]''' is an ongoing [[United Nations]] conference taking place on 5-9 June 2017 that seeks to mobilize global action for the [[Marine conservation|conservation]], [[Marine pollution|cleanliness]] and [[sustainability#Freshwater and oceans|sustainable]] use of the [[ocean]]s, seas and marine resources-->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
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| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| sources       = [http://www.ibtimes.com/un-ocean-conference-2017-seeks-avoid-climate-change-catastrophe-2548332], [http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/un-secretary-general-guterres-says-worlds-oceans-are-facing-unprecedented-threat.html], [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-06/06/c_136342371.htm], [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/chief-warns-oceans-threat-170605205005263.html], [https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/un-konferenz-ozeane-101.html], [http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/conservation/united-nations-secretary-general-implores-countries-to-prevent-global-catastrophe-through-ocean-conservation/news-story/67aa0b2e7705d2bacbb9c281ffb9151e], [http://news.trust.org/item/20170530150853-6bg97], [http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-kerala/city-based-ngo-to-attend-ocean-meet/article18717019.ece]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| nominator     = Fixuture <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = ''Global, highly notable news which got sufficient news coverage around the world and is more than appropriate here.''<br/>I suggested a blurb, instead of an Ongoing-entry, earlier which was opposed.<br/>
A conference
* By the United Nations
* Unique in kind and a premier
* With sufficient press coverage around the world
* On a highly signficiant subject that affects billions worldwide
is ''very'' notable imo. We are allowed to and very much ''should'' make such decisions. Let's fairly decide on this together.<br/>____________________________________<br/>
* For those who say that there's many other conferences we well and that we haven't posted many so far or that it doesn't meet some current / alleged / personal requirements: why would a high number of conferences prevent conferences being posted to the ''In the news''-section? Also I don't think that it's that many conferences. Especially when we only post the ones on highly notable, global subjects.<br/>
* For those who say that the conference is "just talk", "means nothing" or would "only be relevant if there are some concrete outcomes or treaty of it" etc: <u>the conferences ''themselves'' as well as potential non-agreements or inaction are of high interest to the public and notable.</u> Furthermore there are already some concrete results such as over 800 voluntary committments on things like managing protected areas and a platform for fishing-transparency. As a sidenote events such as this one are uncomparably more significant than sports events which keep getting posted.
* For those who say that the article is not in an appropriate state I ask them to elaborate what exactly they mean and that (at best) they themselves [[WP:SOFIXIT|improve it]]. I don't think it's in an inappropriate state.
* Furthermore while I do try to and still do maintain good faith it increasingly seems considerable that (<small>mainly?</small> US-based) users ''The Rambling Man, Masem, Iridescent, 331dot, WaltCip'' and ''Sca'' aim to hold monopoly on decisions being made here with a particular intend that might cause the ''In the news''-items to be rather biased in a particular way. I say this because I've been a bit estranged by some of their participations here for quite some time and as the last discussion was closed with basically only their vote-comments rather quickly before others participated as well. That might very well be simply because they as interested citizens like to take part in the ''In the news''-section discussions - but if that's indeed the case I still would like to include the possibility of bias. Furthermore I'd like to thank {{ping|EMsmile}} for working some relevant info into [[Sustainable Development Goals]]. I hope that this time, today on the [[World Oceans Day]], more people will participate in this discussion and ask it not to be closed too early and before quite a number of other people participated as well.

This is very important − imo everything is pointing towards inclusion in the ''In the news''-section and I can't see any good reason ''not'' to. What do you say?
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:::[[File:Macaca fuscata juvenile yawning.jpg|100px]] — [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 00:28, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Strongest Oppose''' This was closed once. You don't get to abuse the system and open a second nomination of the same thing. [[User:LordAtlas|LordAtlas]] ([[User talk:LordAtlas|talk]]) 00:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:The discussion which was closed was on the nomination of a blurb, not an Ongoing-item. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 00:07, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
::You had your chance then. You are now just trying to waste other people's time by gaming the system. [[User:LordAtlas|LordAtlas]] ([[User talk:LordAtlas|talk]]) 00:12, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I disagree. Please assume good faith too: I'm not "trying to waste people's time" - that makes no sense at all - and I am not trying to "game the system". --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 00:18, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
::::We are not here to right great wrongs. You are in the wrong place. [[User:LordAtlas|LordAtlas]] ([[User talk:LordAtlas|talk]]) 00:28, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
'''Vehemently Oppose''' - As above. This is not ab ongoing news item, and was already shot down. You need consensus here - this page cannot be used as a battering ram. The story is important, but stop trying to force the issue. Moreover, don't levy baseless accusations against other editors. They are sinply following consensus opinion and procedure. This should not be posted, and you should reconsider rationally the way in which you approach this community and its project, as your current strategy will not suffice any further. To quote Leslie Odom Jr, "careful how you proceed good man, intenperate indeed good man" etc. We all have to adhere to the rules, even when we don't like the outcome. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 00:12, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:The thing that was shut down was a blurb. This discussion is about an Ongoing item. The conference is ongoing. Yes and I hope to build consensus in this discussion. I'm not trying to force the issue but am taking up the ''responsibility'' for us, the Wikipedia community, to feature important stories / information ''when we can and when it's appropriate''. These were not accusations but a note about a concern about bias that I have. I adhere to the rules.
:Why should it not be posted?
:--[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 00:18, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as misunderstanding or misapplication of the system. Ongoing is for events which are long-term and persistently in the news, which have either had a blurb posted which cannot remain indefinitely despite the persistence of coverage, or are considered important enough but difficult to produce an appropriate blurb for. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 00:25, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:This event is long-term in its effects and outcomes and is persistently in the news for the few days that it takes place. It would only be displayed under Ongoing for these few days. And it is certainly important enough. Please take a step back and reassess - we should not become a static bureaucracy but open-mindedly, progressively and lively assess each nomination and rationale even if they, potentially, might imply changes. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 00:34, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|Fixuture}} - discussion is closed. I am issuing this comment to tell you to refrain from any further argument, a the discussion has been explicitly closed, and I have now brought that to your attention. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 00:38, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

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====[Posted] [Ongoing] Battle of Raqqa ====
{{ITN candidate
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| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40171406 BBC]
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| nominator     = Stormy clouds <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = I fleshed out the article to a significant degree and added multiple reputable references before suggesting it here. This story is certainly of international importance and is attracting worldwide attention, so merits addition to ongoing. The recent page activity backs this up in my opinion.
| sign          = [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 23:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Comment''' - [[Raqqa]] has been repeatedly described as the de facto capital of the Islamic State, so this battle exceeds any regular conflicts in the region in terms of importance and scale. It means that the coalition forces have the opportunity to strike a serious blow to Daesh, and is being reported thusly globally. Therefore, it should be placed in ongoing. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 23:41, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. I would have liked to see a bit more coverage (for some reason it's not very widespread, although it's there if I look for it), but there's sufficient coverage regardless. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 02:34, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I'm not seeing this on frontpages.  It's overshadowed by things like yet another NK missile test, new ''Homo sapiens'' find (which would make a great blurb actually), and UK elections.  Additionally, this is not the first time that we've been told Raqqa is on the verge of falling.  If this gets frontpaged by RSes then I would support this, but it could very likely turn into another abortive attempt that goes nowhere and has no definitive end.  By the sources in the article, the battle started on the 6th and the first neighborhoods were captured on the 8th.  Give it a day or two to see how this shakes out.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.166|128.214.69.166]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.166|talk]]) 07:20, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''', though I'm a little concerned that the YPGs are not mentioned in the lead; they are the major constituent of the SDF, after all. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 11:32, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' definitely in the news, article sufficient, looks likely to be ongoing, but we'll need to test it in a week's time, will it be updated?  For now, it's good to go.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted to ongoing''' [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 19:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Posted] 2017 Myanmar Air Force Shaanxi Y-8 crash ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Myanmar Air Force Shaanxi Y-8 crash<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = File:Myanmar Air Force Shaanxi Y-8 MRD.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = A [[Shaanxi Y-8]] of the [[Myanmar Air Force]] (''example pictured'') with 122 people on board '''[[2017 Myanmar Air Force Shaanxi Y-8 crash|crashes]]''' into the [[Andaman Sea]] off [[Dawei]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/burma-military-plane-missing-live-latest-passengers-soldiers-army-chief-myanmar-a7776876.html The Independent],[http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/myanmar-military-plane-carrying-more-than-100-people-missing-8925848 Channel News Asia]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Mjroots <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Large military transport, potential high death toll.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*An aviation disaster of this magnitude is notable. Article looks in decent state considering how recently this was reported. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 13:47, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Most of the causalities were family of military members, so this would not qualify as "losses in line of duty" that other military aviation disasters are typically treated as, so agree this likely is ITN. Article is sufficiently detailed for now knowing there's a long tail of news around the investigation and like. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Note''' Blurb says 106 people on board, article says 104. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 14:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
**Now updated to 120. Figures often inaccurate in breaking news stories, but that isn't a big deal. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 14:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
***Inaccuracy is no big deal, but the article and blurb being consistent is. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 20:08, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability. A beefier article would be nice but not essential at this stage. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 14:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' while it may be inevitable, isn't this a little premature?  The source in the nomination says the aircraft has been declared missing, not that it has crashed.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 14:14, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
**Other sources now confirm it has crashed, additional source added to nom. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 14:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*Marked as ready, it's now night in Myanmar and little likelihood of major developments until tomorrow morning (about midnight UTC). [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 16:38, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' as notability is undoubtedly there. Article a bit short for my tastes, but given that we don't deal in speculation I suppose there isn't too much more that can be said. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 00:41, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' this looks pretty much good to go, but still there's a conflict between the proposed blurb and the article.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 05:37, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
**Blurb updated, although I would expect the posting admin to make a final check and make any small adjustments necessary. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 06:32, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 19:31, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Tehran attacks ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Tehran attacks
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = At least twelve people are killed and 42 others injured in '''[[2017 Tehran attacks|simultaneous terrorist attacks]]''' at the [[Islamic Consultative Assembly|Iranian parliament]] and the [[Mausoleum of Ruhollah Khomeini]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-s-parliament-reportedly-attacked-gunmen-lawmakers-lockdown-n769086 NBC News] [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/07/shootings-iranian-parliament-khomeini-shrine Guardian] [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/tehran-attacks-isis-suicide-bomb-iran-first-ever-terrorism-claim-responsibility-parliament-shrine-a7776631.html Independent] [http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient/article/2017/06/07/iran-coups-de-feu-a-teheran-au-sein-du-parlement-et-au-mausolee-de-khomeyni_5139817_3218.html Le Monde] [http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13960317001333 Fars News Agency]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = 331dot <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Mhhossein
| updater2      = Vanamonde93
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Attacks of this sort are rare in Iran.  Still developing; ISIS seems to be responsible. Also may be a hostage situation.  Will be a bit before this is ready but I wanted to bring it up.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:04, 7 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Comment''' Support in principle, been seeing a lot about this, but the situation is too fuzzy to post at the moment. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 10:10, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

* '''Comment''' This number of killed people, i.e. 8, contains the attackers, according to the Iranian official figures. We'd better report only the number of dead victims. [[User:Mhhossein|<span style="font-family:Aharoni"><span style="color:#002E63">M</span><span style="color:#2E5894">h</span><span style="color:#318CE7">hossein</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Mhhossein|<span style="color:#056608">'''talk'''</span>]]</sup> 10:48, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' not rare in Iran, just in Tehran. A big attack was in Balochistan a few weeks ago and Zarif travelled to Islamabad after tat too.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 11:00, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*:[[Balochistan, Pakistan|Balochistan]] and [[Islamabad]] are in [[Pakistan]].  [[Tehran]] is in [[Iran]].  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*:: No clue about geography and politics, but a big mouth: [[Sistan and Baluchestan Province]] & [[Mohammad Javad Zarif]]. [[Special:Contributions/81.204.120.137|81.204.120.137]] ([[User talk:81.204.120.137|talk]]) 11:31, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*:::Unless, you know something I don't, the attack Lihaas appears to be referencing [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/blast-kills-pakistan-balochistan-170512095736342.html] is still in Pakistan's Balochistan province and not in Iran's Baluchestan.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 11:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*:::: Nice try, but Lihaas clearly refered to the attack in Iran. But good to know that you have at least some basic search engine compentencies. [[Special:Contributions/81.204.120.137|81.204.120.137]] ([[User talk:81.204.120.137|talk]]) 12:51, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*::::: Agreed... the ignorance of Wikipedia editors is not totally hopeless... just somewhat hopeless. [[Special:Contributions/128.227.136.203|128.227.136.203]] ([[User talk:128.227.136.203|talk]]) 15:27, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support:''' significant attack in a prominent regional power. Eminently In the News worthy. [[User:Midnightblueowl|Midnightblueowl]] ([[User talk:Midnightblueowl|talk]]) 12:39, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support:''' Very important incident! On the top of headlines--[[User:Sahehco|Sahehco]] ([[User talk:Sahehco|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

*'''Support:''' perhaps [[Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant|the group's]] most significant act of terrorism to date.<small style="border:0px solid #444;background:white"> [[user:nightdevil|<strong style="background:gray;color:black"><b>NIGHT</b></strong><i>devil</i>]] </small> 13:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support but wait''' Wait for the situation to resolve, it seems there's still a hostage crisis going on. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:21, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' still a stub. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 13:27, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support in principle''' as unusual for Tehran, but <s>yes, it's still sketchy, and I expect</s> it may take a while for details to emerge. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' per TRM. Article needs development. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 14:04, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Article is in my opinion long enough &ndash; though I'd never discourage more. However the unsourced statements tagged as citation needed are ''directly'' relevant to the argument that this is far enough out of the norm be posted (which I believe it is). Would be inclined to support when these are resolved. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 16:42, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support:''' [[User:Mardetanha|Mardetanha]] ([[User talk:Mardetanha|talk]]) 17:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support:''' historic incident as it is Iran.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 18:09, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Significant terror incident. [[Special:Contributions/221.205.236.199|221.205.236.199]] ([[User talk:221.205.236.199|talk]]) 18:52, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' but the blurb should be updated - the article's infobox list 19 dead (13 victims, 6 attackers).--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 19:02, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
::The attackers are not contained as the victims of a terrorist incident. [[User:GTVM92|GTVM92]] ([[User talk:GTVM92|talk]]) 20:17, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
:::See Mhhossein's comment above. We've had this confusing problem on a number of similar news items - sometimes attackers are included, sometimes they're not.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 20:21, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' with an image of the attacks at the main news. There are good images of the attacks in the commons. [[User:GTVM92|GTVM92]] ([[User talk:GTVM92|talk]]) 20:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' Definitely meets standards in terms of notability, and the article is fine.-[[User:LtNOWIS|LtNOWIS]] ([[User talk:LtNOWIS|talk]]) 20:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC).
*'''Support'''. It's getting major news coverage in the United States. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>)  20:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 00:06, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 6 ==
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==== [Posted] RD: Adnan Khashoggi ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Adnan Khashoggi
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/06/world/middleeast/adnan-khashoggi-dead-saudi-arms-trader.html?_r=0 The New York Times], [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40180931 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = MBlaze Lightning <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 05:34, 7 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> too much of it is unreferenced. But [[Queen (band)|Queen]]'s song "Khashoggi's Ship" is now rotating round my noggin.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:21, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Everything is referenced now, should be good to go. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 07:55, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
::*Good work, so I now '''support''' this. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - article up to the required standard. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 17:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 20:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] The United Nations Ocean Conference ====
{{archive top|No consensus will develop to post that a conference simply occurs, despite the protestations of the nominator. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:10, 7 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = The United Nations Ocean Conference
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[The United Nations Ocean Conference]]''' is an ongoing [[United Nations]] conference taking place on 5-9 June 2017 that seeks to mobilize global action for the [[Marine conservation|conservation]], [[Marine pollution|cleanliness]] and [[sustainability#Freshwater and oceans|sustainable]] use of the [[ocean]]s, seas and marine resources
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.ibtimes.com/un-ocean-conference-2017-seeks-avoid-climate-change-catastrophe-2548332], [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-06/06/c_136342371.htm], [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/chief-warns-oceans-threat-170605205005263.html], [https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/un-konferenz-ozeane-101.html], [http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/conservation/united-nations-secretary-general-implores-countries-to-prevent-global-catastrophe-through-ocean-conservation/news-story/67aa0b2e7705d2bacbb9c281ffb9151e]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fixuture <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Global, highly notable news which got sufficient news coverage around the world and is more than appropriate here.<br/>Alternatively it could be added to [Ongoing] but I very much support a blurb. If you don't like my suggested blurb add additional ones / edit.<br/>
| sign          = [[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 22:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' posting the mere occurrence of a conference(either as a blurb or ongoing).  Many conferences, seminars, and meetings occur on many subjects even under UN auspices.  If a notable agreement comes out of the conference, that may merit posting. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:40, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|331dot}} Well I don't see a point here or at least don't agree: why would a high number of conferences prevent conferences being posted to the ''In the news''-section? Also I don't think that it's that many conferences. Especially when we only post the ones on highly notable, global subjects. <u>The conferences themselves as well as potential non-agreements are of high interest to the public and notable.</u> As a sidenote events such as this one are uncomparably more significant than sports events which keep getting posted. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 22:50, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
:::You misunderstand me, I apologize for being unclear.  My point is only that the mere occurrence of a conference is not necessarily notable.  Anyone can hold a conference on any subject, but its occurrence isn't necessarily notable. (I'm holding a conference in my living room about Wikipedia editing, want to come?)  That would change if something of note occurs there, such as a notable agreement or other change in policy.  Otherwise the conference is just talk. Sports and conferences are different animals and hard to compare(some die hard fans would likely disagree with your significance statement, different things are important to different people). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 23:04, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
::::{{Gt|My point is only that the mere occurrence of a conference is not necessarily notable.  Anyone can hold a conference on any subject, but its occurrence isn't necessarily notable.}}
::::Alright, I agree with that.
::::{{Gt|That would change if something of note occurs there, such as a notable agreement or other change in policy.  Otherwise the conference is just talk.}}
::::I do not agree that this only changes at that point and that it's "just talk". (As a sidenote over 800 voluntary commitments have already come out of the conference.)
::::{{Gt|Sports and conferences are different animals and hard to compare}}
::::I do not find them hard to compare but even if others find that hard to do that wouldn't be a reason not to.
::::_______________________________________________________
::::We are here to find consensus on which conferences are notable / ITN-worthy and which aren't.
::::A conference
::::* By the United Nations
::::* Unique in kind and a premier
::::* With sufficient press coverage
::::* On a highly signficiant subject that affects billions worldwide
::::is ''very'' notable imo. We are allowed to and very much ''should'' make such decisions. Let's fairly decide on this together.
::::--[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 23:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::I appreciate your passion but we will have to agree to disagree.  [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 23:45, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per 331dot - this is not comparable to the G8 or G20 conferences which we generally do post due to their occurrences due to direct influence on world politics. Should there be some proposed treaty/etc., that would be a ITN element to post. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 22:42, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|Masem}} Why? I do not agree. See my comment above. --[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 22:50, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. If this produces some kind of significant treaty (which seems somewhat unlikely given that as far as I can tell neither the US, Russia or India have even bothered to attend), that will be potentially newsworthy, but to judge by both the Wikipedia article and [https://oceanconference.un.org/ their own website] this looks like an absolutely bog-standard UN junket (do you realize [http://www.un.org/en/events/archives/2008.shtml just how many of these things there are]?) which is getting zero significant coverage and will be forgotten even by the participants within a week. This discussion is moot in any case, since [[The United Nations Ocean Conference|the article]] is absolutely atrocious and packed with outright bullshit like {{tq|The conference is the first-ever UN conference on oceans}} (what were UNCLOS I? and UNCLOS II? and UNCLOS III?) and couldn't be featured on the main page even if we wanted to.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 23:18, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|Iridescent}} Fixed that error. It seems to also be an error of the source. 
::I do not think that it's a standard conference with a significance comparable to most of the other ones. But even if there's a non-low number of such conferences that's imo no reason for why this should be insignificant / not ITN-worthy.
::It ''did'' get signficiant coverage (maybe not in your country; note we don't intend to be US-biased).
::I don't think it will be forgotten by participants within a week - that's just an unfounded claim of yours. And even if they do that would be notable as well and no reason for why the conference would be not notable or ITN-worthy.
::I don't think the article is "absolutely atrocious" and invite you to correct any "outright bullshit".
::<small>(And now I wait for The Rambling Man to join the usual US/UK-based first responders that keep on opposing such ITN items, in the hope that others will participate as well.)</small>
::--[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 23:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
[[File:Macaca fuscata juvenile yawning.jpg|100px]] '''<big>{{bullet}}</big> Oppose''' – Wake me up when it's over. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 00:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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== June 5 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2017 June 5]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2017 June 5}}
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==== RD: Andy Cunningham (actor) ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Andy Cunningham (actor)
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-40188353 BBC] 
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Vanamonde93
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| nom cmt     = Not sure if this is too short, but it's in the news, so posting here for scrutiny. 
| sign          = [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 07:01, 8 June 2017 (UTC) 
}}
*'''Oppose''' it's a stub, <s>and this ought to be listed under 5 June</s>.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:16, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Still a stub several days later. What's more, it was a redirect until after he died. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:08, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Posted] RD: Peter Sallis ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Peter Sallis
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40165443l BBC News]
| updated       = yes
| updater       = MBlaze Lightning
| nominator     = Rcsprinter123 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sign          = '''[[User:Rcsprinter123|<span style="font-family:verdana; font-size:10pt; color:#DC143C">Rcsprinter<sub>123</sub></span>]]  ''' [[User talk:Rcsprinter123|<span style="font-family:century gothic; font-size:9.5pt; color:#488AC7">(rhapsodise)</span>]] 16:25, 5 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Needs a ton of work. For example, his career section only has two sources and two sections have no sources. And IMDB is being used as a ref too. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 17:53, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per Lugnuts.  Usually this is the sort of article I'd have a go at rescuing, but I don't have time tonight; hopefully someone will have a go at it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:54, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Last of the classic trio.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.40.119.234|69.40.119.234]] ([[User talk:69.40.119.234#top|talk]]) 04:11, 6 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*'''Oppose''' lacking in references. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:20, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I thought of nominating this myself yesterday, saw the total lack of sources, and decided not to bother. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 07:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is now well sourced after the work of a few very diligent editors. [[User:93|9]]<sup>[[User talk:93|3]]</sup> 11:40, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Referencing issues have been addressed. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 11:49, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' FYI, this death was on 2 June, not 5 June. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 12:34, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. The ton of work has been done. Now referenced and good to go.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 13:28, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*Marked as ready, good work on the referencing. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 15:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 15:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Posted] RD: Cheick Tiote ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Cheick Tioté
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/cheick-tiote-dead-dies-died-newcastle-united-beijing-enterprises-heart-attack-cause-of-death-a7773986.html Independent]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = DatGuy <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sign          = [[User:DatGuy|Dat Guy]]<sup>[[User talk:DatGuy|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/DatGuy|Contribs]]</sub> 15:45, 5 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' I always feel a sense of dread going to look at an RD candidate in the pop culture or sports areas, but was pleasantly surprised to see the article is not only thorough, but excellently sourced as well. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 15:48, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Looks ready to go. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 17:21, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Thorough and referenced, marking "ready". '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 17:37, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 17:41, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Qatari foreign relations ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Qatar diplomatic crisis
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Bahrain]], [[Saudi Arabia]], [[Egypt]], and [[United Arab Emirates]] announce that they intend to '''[[2017 Qatar diplomatic crisis|cut relations]]''' with [[Qatar]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201706051054309544-egyptcuts-qatar-relations/ Sputnik News] [http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2017/06/05/Saudi-Arabia-severs-all-ties-with-Qatar-closes-off-borders.html Al Arabiya] [http://news.forexlive.com/!/saudi-arabia-cuts-ties-with-qatar-says-for-protection-of-national-security-20170605 Forex Live] [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40155829 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = EternalNomad <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Breaking News, will add more appropriate sources when they come.  Significant developments in foreign relations among Gulf States; more countries may follow.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:EternalNomad|EternalNomad]] ([[User talk:EternalNomad|talk]]) 02:54, 5 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

* '''Wait, but likely support''' This seems to be based on accusations that Qatar has been funding terrorism, but it's not 100% clear from the breaking stories. Regardless, with all three states severing ties and telling Qatar citizens they have a few weeks to get back, this is a major diplomatic issue in the region. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 03:02, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
** '''Comment''' I did a bit of editing on this earlier today, and others have taken a lead to explain the BG of the situation much better and events of the last few weeks that are likely reasons for it (per sources), so this now seems ready to go. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 17:45, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per Masem, however article not updated. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 03:16, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Huge implications for GCC relations. [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 03:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' article not adequately updated; some of the countries mentioned in blurb are NOT mentioned in article as having cut ties, and most importantly, ''the Wikipedia article provides zero context for the event''.  Readers learn nothing about the event by reading the Wikipedia article.  That's not good for posting.  Article will need a LOT of work before it is ready for the main page.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 04:01, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I am not going to oppose for now as this is breaking news. However the article does need some updating and there are a handful of CN tags that need to be addressed. Once these issues have been addressed I will take another look. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 04:04, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Updated the article. [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 05:14, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
** I think there needs to be more an update.  Events over the last week or two have led to this and that needs to be explained.  (eg [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/01/whats-going-on-with-qatar/ this was from Thursday] for example - also please note I'm not questioning this being the right day to post, I'm just saying there was backhistory to consider). This didn't come out of left field. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 05:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - seems to be a major unexpected diplomatic development. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 08:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Looks like an article has been created: [[2017 Qatar Diplomatic Crisis]] but it is a stub right now [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 08:37, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I would support a well-written standalone article which details this carefully and covers the consequences. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:48, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on the merits but I agree that more of an update is needed.  It's unusual for a single country to break diplomatic relations with another country, let alone several in what seems to be a coordinated move. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:09, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' major diplomatic development concerning multiple countries. [[User:Feminist|<span style="color:DarkMagenta">f</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Feminist|<span style="color:DarkMagenta">e</span>]][[User talk:Feminist|<span style="color:DarkMagenta">minist</span>]] 11:11, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': Are there better RS please? I cringe a bit at Sputnik because President Macron said they were no better than RT at spreading fake news...[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 11:25, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
:*I've added the BBC above. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 11:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I've just seen it in the Council on Foreign Relations e-mail newsletter, so it's definitely a thing.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 13:09, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*I've switched the article in the above template to [[2017 Qatar diplomatic crisis]] which is the dedicated article for this. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 11:48, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - a major diplomatic crises in the region. --[[User:Saqib|Saqib]] ([[User talk:Saqib|talk]]) 11:53, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as this is a major diplomatic event. Meanwhile, the number of countries that cut their relations with Qatar has grown to six.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 11:57, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
::7 actually. --[[User:Saqib|Saqib]] ([[User talk:Saqib|talk]]) 12:21, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*This is sufficiently notable, but the article is not yet ready. For a story like this, we need the article to have a fair bit of depth what this event actually ''means'' (both practically and politically) for the posting to be useful to readers. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 12:06, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''<s>Oppose</s>''' for now per [[User:Jayron32|Jayron]], [[User:331dot|331dot]], [[User:The Rambling Man|RM]]. Thin. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:54, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' without prejudice.  The article is frankly unsuitable for the frontpage.  But, I want to stress that this is no fault of the nominator or editors.  This was a very weird, bizarre and completely unforseen turn of events and I don't think even the most becoffeed analyst can make heads or tails of this.  This absolutely deserves to get to the frontpage, but the article must be more than a dry reading of Foreign Office releases.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.185.142|128.214.185.142]] ([[User talk:128.214.185.142|talk]]) 13:59, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support with improved article'''. With the closing of the airspace to Qatari aircraft by the involved countries, the dispute has escalated a lot. Qatar depends a lot on imports for its food and a lot of this has now been blocked, so Qatar will have to find other sources on the very short term, only Saudi Arabia's arch enemy Iran is able to fulfill that role. [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 21:17, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – for expanded article. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 01:35, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 4 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2017 June 4]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2017 June 4}}
{{cob}}
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==== [Closed] One Love Manchester ====
{{archive top|No consensus will develop to post. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:11, 7 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = One Love Manchester
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = A [[benefit concert]] '''[[One Love Manchester|raises]]''' over $13 million (£10 million) for the victims of a [[2017 Manchester Arena bombing|deadly bombing]] at the [[Manchester Arena]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = A [[benefit concert]] '''[[One Love Manchester|raises]]''' over £10 million for the victims of a [[2017 Manchester Arena bombing|deadly bombing]] at the [[Manchester Arena]].
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.abcactionnews.com/entertainment/ariana-grande-returns-to-honor-terrorist-bombing-victims-with-one-love-manchester-benefit-concert] [http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/one-love-manchester-watched-up-10566841]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Gestrid <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Fort esc
| updater2      = Wikimandia
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Apologies for the somewhat late nom.  I was waiting for a more concrete ticket sales numbers, as opposed to the unsourced estimated number that was in the article on Sunday.  The source I've included is the source used for the amount raised so far.  There has been no announcement about how much was raised through any official fundraising method method other than the British Red Cross, but I wanted to get this into at least ITNC while it's still in the news.  Note that, while the concert itself was a good idea, it's how much was raised that is really important and why I think it should be included in ITN.
| sign          = <b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">—</span></b> [[User:Gestrid|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:maroon">Gestrid</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Gestrid#top|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">talk</span></b>]]) 06:49, 6 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Weak oppose''' - The natural place to put it is to merge with the original Manchester attack blurb, but that's rolled off the box; further, with the London attack, this has been rather overshadowed. $13 million is also really not that much (we rejected a lot of blurbs for business deals much bigger than this size). Having said that, I did see quite a lot of coverage on this, hence I only weakly oppose this. Maybe it would have been better to nominate this as ongoing when the Manchester attack blurb rolled off the box. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 06:57, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
:* To be fair, business deals are generally made by people or businesses with a lot more money than most of us with the expectation of getting something in return.  That people (mostly those in the UK, most likely, for a variety of reasons) gave that much money is pretty notable in my opinion.  The numbers from the portions of the charity specifically setup for those outside the UK, including at least one US-based 501(c)(3) organization that partnered with the BRC, have not come out yet, but, as I said, I wanted to get this into ITNC before it no longer qualified as an ITN. <b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">—</span></b> [[User:Gestrid|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:maroon">Gestrid</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Gestrid#top|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">talk</span></b>]]) 07:07, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not important in the long run and if anything would be part of the bombing. [[User:LordAtlas|LordAtlas]] ([[User talk:LordAtlas|talk]]) 06:59, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' it's a good news story and it's a shame it's quite inconsequential I'm afraid.  Things like Comic Relief and Children in Need routinely raise in excess of £50m in a night, so the magnitude of the fund-raising isn't particuarly notable either. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:07, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
:* See my reply to Banedon.  The numbers for the international portion of the charity haven't come in yet. <b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">—</span></b> [[User:Gestrid|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:maroon">Gestrid</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Gestrid#top|<b><span style="font-family:Oswald;color:black">talk</span></b>]]) 07:11, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
::*Yes, but this has no long-lasting impact at all. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article is in good shape. The concert apparently attracted several performers, not just Grande. It raised a lot of money. It was definitely in the news, although I didn't watch it. ITN could do with more philanthropy, so I support this nomination.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 07:08, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' good faith nomination, but it's not surprising a lot of money would be raised after a tragic incident. If more developments come out about the attack in the next few days, it might merit Ongoing(of which this fundraiser would be an incremental update) but it isn't significant enough on its own to post. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:14, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I added a blurb that removes the reference to the computed US Dollar amount raised. The [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style|manual of style]] states that it in "country-specific articles, use the currency of the country."  Also in "articles that are not specific to a country, express amounts of money in United States dollars, euros, or pounds sterling." I don't see the need to convert a GBP amount into US Dollars - this is not USA-pedia. [[User:Gfcvoice|Gfcvoice]] ([[User talk:Gfcvoice|talk]]) 15:08, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Reluctant oppose'''. I wish there were a way of incorporating this into the blurb about London Bridge &ndash; much of the media coverage focussed on the fact that while that happened this still went ahead and was all the more poignant and defiant of terrorism as a consequence. Nonetheless I don't see how we can do it succinctly. If someone were to convince me otherwise I'd be delighted to support, but regrettably I can't justify supporting this as a stand-alone. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - I really didn't work that much of the article, just a few updates, put section with online streaming etc. This was a pretty amazing way to respond to a terror attack with an all-star A-list lineup organized in just a week, raised a huge amount of money.  I agree with above that ITN needs more philanthropy. [[User:Wikimandia|<span style="color:#0066cc;">—'''''Мандичка'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Wikimandia|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''YO'''''</span>]]</sup> 😜 16:01, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' If it was something on the scope of Je Suis Charlie, a memorialized event across multiple continents, that would be something. A relatively local event from one that got worldwide attention is really not ITN-appropriate. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:12, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' good faith nom. Not sufficiently significant for ITN and we already posted the Manchester attack. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not important enough. [[User:A Quest For Knowledge|A Quest For Knowledge]] ([[User talk:A Quest For Knowledge|talk]]) 16:42, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
{{archive bottom}}

==== [Closed] Ötzi murder case reopened ====
{{atop|result=Closing w/o prejudice to reopening if/when the article is updated. For now there is nothing to discuss. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 17:12, 5 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ötzi <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Ötzi]] murder case reopened<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40104139 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Count Iblis <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 22:51, 4 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Oppose''' Not the type of story that makes for ITN, better as a DYK, if it could be fashioned for that. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:08, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' good faith nom. I can't find anything in the article that seems to relate to the blurb. What is this supposed to be about? -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 23:14, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
::I just read the linked news source and I don't think any of that is in the article, or I missed it somewhere. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 23:17, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose with extreme prejudice''' because the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C3%96tzi&action=history article has never been updated].  No way to assess quality of an update that doesn't exist.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 03:29, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' might make a decent DYK if an update and GAN could be provided. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 04:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
{{ab}}

==== [Posted] Maltese general election, 2017 ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Maltese general election, 2017
| blurb         = The [[Labour Party (Malta)|Labour Party]] led by [[Joseph Muscat]] is '''[[Maltese general election, 2017|re-elected]]''' and wins a renewed majority in the [[Parliament of Malta]].
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = no
| altblurb      = 
| altblurb2     = 
| sources       = {{cite news|title=Labour cruises to 55.2% majority; Muscat says people have chosen to stay the course|url=https://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20170604/local/labour-expected-to-win-the-general-election-indications.649961|work=[[Times of Malta]]|date=4 June 2017}}<br>{{cite news|title=Malta election: PM Joseph Muscat wins snap poll|url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40150728|work=[[BBC News]]|date=4 June 2017}}<br>{{cite news|title=Prime Minister Joseph Muscat wins Malta election|url=http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/outgoing-pm-joseph-muscat-wins-malta-election-170604103519578.html|work=[[Al Jazeera]]|date=4 June 2017}}
| updated       = 
| nominator     = Xwejnusgozo
| updater       = 
| updater2      = 
| updater3      = 
| ITNR          = yes
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Xwejnusgozo|Xwejnusgozo]] ([[User talk:Xwejnusgozo|talk]]) 21:36, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose''' for now. The results table near the bottom is still blank and there is an orange tag challenging the neutrality of the article at the top. Both of these issues need to be resolved before we can post this. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 01:02, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' No prose about the election itself, the results, or the impact thereof.  In addition to the table; which is a necessary (but not sufficient) update as well.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 03:31, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' tagged for neutrality issues and no results. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:23, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*The neutrality tag has been removed. There are now % results for the first-preference votes. Because of the complex electoral system it seems that the seats have not yet been fully assigned. The candidates section needs the main parties added in districts 9-13. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 12:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Will the article be OK for ITN once the candidates section is completed? It will take some more time until the seats are fully assigned (the counting process used in Maltese elections has been described as "painfully slow" by the Times of Malta [https://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20170605/local/live-check-which-mps-are-elected.649741 here]), but the victory for Labour is clear. --[[User:Xwejnusgozo|Xwejnusgozo]] ([[User talk:Xwejnusgozo|talk]]) 00:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Xwejnusgozo}}, this would cuurently be posted as the second item, so it will be OK for ITN posting for a while yet. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:14, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*The candidates list is a data entry slog but it's almost there. A paragraph or two on "reactions" would be desirable as well. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 10:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*Candidates list is done.--[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 12:03, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*Reaction section done as well. Article is ready. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 13:19, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*Bumping this in the hope that an admin notices. This has been ready for almost 12 hours now.--[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup>
:*{{ping|Jayron32}} Can this be posted? It's been ready for nearly a day. --[[User:Xwejnusgozo|Xwejnusgozo]] ([[User talk:Xwejnusgozo|talk]]) 10:29, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Stephen}} This article has been ready for 24 hours how. Can we please post before it becomes stale? --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 12:22, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 14:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
== June 3 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2017 June 3]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2017 June 3}}
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==== [Posted] June 2017 London attacks ====
{{ITN candidate
|article=June 2017 London attacks
|blurb=At least 9 people are killed and 30 injured in an '''[[June 2017 London attacks|attack in London]]''' through a hit-and-run vehicle on [[London Bridge]] followed by knife attacks at [[Borough Market]].
|nominator=86.20.193.222
|source=[http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40146916 BBC], [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/world/europe/london-attacks-what-we-know.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur nytimes]
|}}
*'''Wait''' till we actually know the nature of this incident. It needs a blurb as well, but a blurb can't be added without more information. [[User:This is Paul|This is Paul]] ([[User talk:This is Paul|talk]]) 00:00, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

{{ping|This is Paul}}

Hi Paul, I'm sorry I do not have time to post in the correct format/procedure right now, as I'm personally trying to work out what the hell is happening in London.

I truly hope you'll be able to get this on the main page as quickly as possible, as I know there are many thousands of people, right now, desperately trying to get further information. And lots of us are looking at Wikipedia for it.

Regards, <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:86.20.193.222|86.20.193.222]] ([[User talk:86.20.193.222#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/86.20.193.222|contribs]]) </small>
*'''Wait''' until details are clear of the attack. We still know little about what happened, and WP is not meant to be a source of breaking news. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 00:06, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' Too many questions, and given the terror level is currently high in the UK from the Manchester attack, they are being extra cautious by treating these as connected incidents. In comment to the IP's statement above, [[WP:NOT#NEWS|we are not a newspaper]] and have no deadline, and people that come here to learn about breaking news are coming to the wrong place. BBC is a ''much'' better source than we are. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 00:09, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Yes indeed, [[WP:NOTNEWS|Wikipedia is not the news]]. And in a further response to the ip, we're all trying to work out what's going on. [[User:This is Paul|This is Paul]] ([[User talk:This is Paul|talk]]) 00:14, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' - and IP 86.20.193.222, I'd look at a reliable news source for information, because Wikipedia is certainly not one of those. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 00:16, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' Something appears to have happened in London. That's about all we know right now. Frankly this nomination is probably premature since we don't even have a blurb. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 00:23, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
:::It certainly is. I was contemplating nominating it (even came to ITNC a few time to check if someone else had done o). As of right now its not as notable as say Manchester (and well also be putting UK up on Friday before this would drop off). So '''oppose for now''' unless something biggerin reaction or casualties happens.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 00:53, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait''', unfortunately too early for this, article is also unstable with a couple of quite disruptive editors at the moment going at it. [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 00:58, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' as per others due to evolving story and lack of blurb. Though it should be noted that this has been declared terrorism. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 01:01, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''support''', the text from [http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40147164 this bbc] report: A van has struck pedestrians on London Bridge in central London leaving a number of casualties, including fatalities. Police have declared a "terrorist incident" there and at nearby Borough Market - it seems unlikely that this portion of the information will change and further information will be built upon these declarations. Leave off the information on the stabbings as the news sources seem to be in a state of confusion about these attacks. [[User:Edaham|Edaham]] ([[User talk:Edaham|talk]]) 01:16, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
** The police are assuming it is a terrorist incident given the recentness of Manchester, they have in no way verified the intent (even if it was an accident or intentional). It might be a terrorist event, but that's not based on the approach the police are taking in the immediate hours following it. And if this was just an accident or domestic crime, then its not appropriate for ITN. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 01:43, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*Wow, the whitewashing here is ridiculous. You guys would just like to pretend these sort of things never happened. Keep the <s>white</s>[insert_accurate_PC_color]washing going. [[Special:Contributions/79.116.236.27|79.116.236.27]] ([[User talk:79.116.236.27|talk]]) 05:35, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

* '''Reopened''' I have reopened as I think the details have sufficiently settled down, enough to write a blurb. The hit-and-run on London Bridge and the stabbings at Borough Market were done by the same three perps (who are now dead), for a total of 9 deaths (including those 3) and 30 injured. Every other vent that has been noted the police have determined are unrelated events (the explosions at the Market were confirmed as controlled explosions). To that end, I also support posting this now. 6 innocent deaths + 30 more injured so shortly after the concert attack is notable. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 05:50, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''', no question. It's probably ready to post now, consensus allowing. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 06:09, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article on the attacks is of high enough quality to allow for a blurb to be posted. [[User:StrikeDog|StrikeDog]] ([[User talk:StrikeDog|talk]]) 06:13, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
* Come on admins!  Post this, please.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.205.251.196|213.205.251.196]] ([[User talk:213.205.251.196#top|talk]]) 07:43, 4 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
**<small>They are fast asleep. [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 07:58, 4 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
*'''Comment''' this is good to go.  Another serious terrorist attack at the heart of a European capital city with a half-decent article?  Please get on with it.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:01, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*What happened to [[WP:NOTNEWS]]? [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 08:06, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*:Nothing, but this is another serious terrorist attack at the heart of a European capital city with a half-decent article, the kind of thing we post at ITN.  The story has very much stabilised so all the "wait" votes are effectively now covered.  Cheers, God bless London.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:13, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*So we ''are'' a news channel, then? [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 08:18, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*:I don't follow, are you complaining about all of ITN or just this specific story?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:29, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
* Posting. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 08:23, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*Look at the number of people urging speed in the postings above and tell me that some of them haven't been sucked into thinking that this is a news channel. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 08:40, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*:You saw the Champion's League nom was posted in three hours, right?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:41, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*:You saw the Manila attack nom was posted in six hours, right?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:42, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*:And Trump's latest disaster posted in four hours?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:42, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*:::{{replyto|Britmax}} Are you arguing that the article was not ready for posting?  If it was ready for posting, there is no need for an artificial and arbitrary hold on it. (such things have been considered and rejected in the past as well) [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:06, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*No, the article was ready for posting. I am considering arguing, in a more suitable place, that Wikipedia has become a news channel by stealth. I have already pointed out that ITN is part of this process. Within this process the article is fine but my argument is that this process should not be hosted here at all. This is not the place for that argument, though. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 09:15, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
::One little panel on one page of an encyclopedia does not make it a news channel. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 09:17, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
::::But it's not just "one page", is it, it's our [[Hold Ye Front Page|little shop window]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:04, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::It's our Front Page, and ITN is a ''fixture'' there – something most readers expect to find and always look at. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:59, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
:::No does arguing against this specific nom which clearly has more consideration applied than those I noted above. But as 331dot says below, you are free to open some discussion about ticker by stealth or whatever.  After all, we could just rename the section, What ''was'' In The News. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:37, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*:::{{replyto|Britmax}} You are certainly free to attempt to make that argument, though for various reasons I won't repeat now it has been tried and failed many times. I don't think you will ever get consensus to remove this. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:20, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
** There are certain stories that are going to have clear enduring notability (meeting NEVENT) in the first few hours, and this is effectively one of those (more than a few injured in the heart of a major metro center and shortly after an earlier attack a week+ prior? It's going to remain notable). Myself and others that initially !voted wait recognized that details were sparse and it was more a matter of making sure what we posted wasn't vague or based on guesses of the media. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 10:51, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
'''Post-posting Oppose''' - This is neither the first terror attack in the UK (or London), not close to being the most serious. If we are going to be posting every terror attack that happens, ITN will shortly become a news ticker of the mundane and depressing. If people want news, there are plenty of news websites for that. [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 09:13, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
:Ok, so should a terror attack take place in Washington or New York or San Francisco, we can discount it because it's not the first in the United States and unless it has a death toll of more than 2,996 we can discount it because it's not the most serious? I think you're missing the primary purpose of ITN, {{xt|To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.}}  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:16, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
:Incidentally, this story is still in the top news on BBC News, ''The New York Times'', ''Sydney Morning Herald'', ''Le Monde'', ''El Pais'', ''Pravda'', ''Times of India'' etc etc, this is newsworthy around the globe nearly 36 hours later.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:20, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
::Frankly yes. Its a minor terror attack with a low loss of life and little significant lasting impact (apart from possibly causing pedestrian barriers on bridges to be jumped to the top of the council works queue). You seem to think people are coming to ITN "To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news" which is not the case. They are coming here because articles like this are presented *as* news. The majority of breaking news articles are based almost entirely on primary news sources and are written like news articles. The only real difference between this and an article in an actual newspaper is the number of sources drawn upon. If the genuine purpose of ITN was to lead to encyclopedic content relevant to the breaking news, the title should just redirect to 'UK foreign policy in the Middle-east' or something similar. It would be vastly more educational. [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 09:33, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Well that's directly against the purpose of the project.  And how you claim " little significant lasting impact" without a crystal ball is beyond me.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
::::We have a page for that [[WP:CRYSTALBALL]]. If you mean against the purpose of ITN - currently ITN is demonstratably not in line (for many articles) with its own stated purpose, being a sub-standard news ticker rather than providing encyclopedic content related to things that are in the news. This nomination is at best, a nicely written summary of primary news stories. Which is pointless to someone looking for information related to the news item. Just go to the BBC and find a better written summary, with the benefit its not being updated by 100 people with agendas. [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 09:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Well if you think the purpose of ITN needs re-defining, feel free to start the discussion, as this item clearly meets the requirements of the project. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:16, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::What I said, unambiguously, was that this article does not meet ITN's current stated purpose. It currently being a current news article based on current news articles. If you want re-define the project so that ITN allows basic news reports on current events. Feel free to start *that* discussion. [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 11:03, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Then improve the article.  The primary purpose of ITN is {{xt|To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.}}  As demonstrated, this is likely to be something the readers are searching for.  I'm not the one making assertions otherwise so I have no need to start any discussion, it's down to you. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:10, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Champions League ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 UEFA Champions League Final
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In association football, [[Real Madrid]] win the [[2016–17 UEFA Champions League|UEFA Champions League]], defeating [[Juventus]] in the '''[[2017 UEFA Champions League Final|final]]'''
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40123279 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = LukeSurl <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Background info is good. Article currently has statistical summary but not prose summary (update: looks like someone's working on it right now).
| sign          = [[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 20:50, 3 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*<s>'''Wait''' until I finish writing the summary and have others pick it apart.</s> '''Support''' now that the prose summary is done. Probably could add a post-match section too, given that Madrid set a few records in the final. '''[[User:SounderBruce|<span style="background:#5d9731; color:white; padding:2px;">Sounder</span>]][[User talk:SounderBruce|<span style="background:#1047AB; color:white; padding:2px;">Bruce</span>]]''' 21:12, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
*Good work. Looks ready to post now. [[Cristiano Ronaldo]] was man-of-the-match, so one of the [[commons:Category:Cristiano_Ronaldo|many free images of him]] could be used for the ITN photo. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 22:10, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Looks good to go. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 22:36, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
*Real Madrid ''wins''. But not in British English. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 22:42, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - match summary good &ndash; hats off to SounderBruce for getting it done so quickly. Ronaldo being pictured is something I also support if desired, as the current Main Page image just doesn't work at the necessary size. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 23:07, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
* Posting. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 23:12, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
* Might be more informative to say something like: "In association football, [[Real Madrid]] becomes the first team to defend the  [[2016–17 UEFA Champions League|UEFA Champions League]], defeating [[Juventus]] in the '''[[2017 UEFA Champions League Final|final]]'''"  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.205.251.196|213.205.251.196]] ([[User talk:213.205.251.196#top|talk]]) 07:46, 4 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== June 2 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2017 June 2]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2017 June 2}}
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==== [Posted] RD: Jeffrey Tate ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jeffrey Tate
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40140053 BBC], [http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/musik/sir-jeffrey-tate-chefdirigent-der-hamburger-symphoniker-ist-tot-a-1150579.html Der Spiegel] (German)<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| nom cmt       = British conductor, worked with various international orchestras. Article is in reasonably good shape thanks to others - I've only just spotted something about his death and thought a late nomination here might be worthwhile. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
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*'''Support'''- Article has been sufficiently sourced. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 21:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' very good nick, good to go.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:35, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 23:55, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

====[Closed] Stratolaunch begins ground testing====
{{archive top|No consensus. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:19, 7 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Scaled Composites Stratolaunch
| article2      = Paul Allen
| article3      = Stratolaunch Systems
| image         = Paul G. Allen.jpg
| blurb         = [[Microsoft]] co-founder [[Paul Allen]] launches the '''[[Scaled Composites Stratolaunch|Stratolaunch]]''', the world's largest aeroplane.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = The '''[[Scaled Composites Stratolaunch|Stratolaunch]]''', with a wingspan of 117m, becomes the largest plane ever following its unveiling.
| altblurb2     = [[Stratolaunch Systems]] launch the '''[[Scaled Composites Stratolaunch|Stratolaunch]]''', the world's largest aeroplane.
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/01/microsoft-co-founder-launches-worlds-biggest-plane The Guardian]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| nom cmt       = A technological development this significant is worthy of ITN, and the target articles are well-sourced. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 12:07, 2 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Comment''' - this may not be strictly encyclopedic as an argument, but getting some positive news on the main page would be pleasant among terror attacks and climate change issues. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 12:11, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Notable on a few levels, as the largest aircraft and for its purpose(to launch rockets).[[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:17, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose'''. According to the article this is not a test flight, but merely the start of ground testing. I would support the first flight and first service flight of this, because it is a significant development, but we shouldn't post every step of the process, and I'm not convinced (so far) that this is a sufficiently notable step. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 12:21, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
**'''Note''' I've renamed this nomination section from "Stratolaunch test flight" to "Stratolaunch begins ground testing" to avoid misunderstandings. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 12:30, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as encyclopedic and on article quality.  Largest of the type, relatively novel use of a aircraft make it notable.  A single clarification needed tag seems unnecessary to me; I didn't have trouble understanding the sentence.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.163.199|128.214.163.199]] ([[User talk:128.214.163.199|talk]]) 12:23, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' per [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]]. Interesting, but still experimental and unproven. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Weak oppose''' as per Thryduulf. I think this design is notable, but the critical thing for a new aircraft is when (if?) it actually ''flies''. I can see myself supporting when that happens. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 13:37, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Comment in Support''' - for all the people querying about the actual flight of the plane, it is scheduled to first launch a test flight in 2019. I feel that this represents a significant enough period in time that we can just report on it twice, given that it is both a record-setting aeroplane (of high interest to Wikipedians) and as it has applications in space travel, meaning it is a truly ground-breaking development. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 14:09, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
**At the moment it is an interesting and ''potentially'' ground-breaking aircraft, but it wont actually ''be'' ground-breaking until it leaves theg ground imo. If something notable happens during ground testing then feel free to nominate that, but this feels just like a routine step. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 14:21, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
***<small>Surely it's ground-breaking when it ''returns'' to the ground. Unless it's successful, of course... [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]] ([[User talk:GoldenRing|talk]]) 15:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
****<small> Pretty sure you meant ground-braking. [[User:Tazerdadog|Tazerdadog]] ([[User talk:Tazerdadog|talk]]) 16:30, 4 June 2017 (UTC) </small>
*'''Oppose''' easy to roll out something, much more difficult to make it fly. Maiden flight will get my vote. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:34, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Airplane or aeroplane? [[Special:Contributions/183.184.219.162|183.184.219.162]] ([[User talk:183.184.219.162|talk]]) 18:38, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
**I think ITN usually goes with "aircraft" to avoid complaints at WP:ERRORS from people who use whichever variety of English the blurb doesn't. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:21, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
***The Hindenburg was 245 meters. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 16:32, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
**It should reflect the nationality that the article has used. Since this is an American effort, I would expect "airplane" to be used. If it was a British company, "aeroplane". --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:49, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:::{{bullet}}<small>'''Just wondering''' – I thought perhaps ''aeroplane'' was becoming somewhat archaic, even in British English. No? [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 20:48, 3 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
::::No; where did you get that idea? "Airplane" in the US and Canada, "Aeroplane" everywhere else.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 20:54, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::<small>I guess I got the idea from the fact that, even in the UK, one does not go out for a "breath of fresh ''aer''." But whatever. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 00:12, 4 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' Operating on the ground is SOP for testing. Given this is meant to a potential air-borne rocket launching platform there are 2, perhaps three more points we'd definitely put to ITN: when it completes its air-worthiness tests and deemed ready to go, when a rocket is successfully launched from it in the air, and possibly if they plan a similar test while it is on the ground. The ground-testing is not really a key point even though news sources have picked up on that. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:43, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' per Thryduulf, TRM and others. Maiden flight should in my opinion be a no-brainer of a post. Should add that I do have sympathy with Stormy clouds' reasoning - the Main Page has been pretty grim of late. . [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 23:20, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
::ITN can only reflect the world as it is. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:12, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Question''' does wingspan actually matter? That is, is there any kind of technological barrier against having a plane with wingspan of e.g. 1 km? My understanding of skyscrapers is that we can already build much-higher skyscrapers than the world's tallest buildings, it's just a matter of desire, money, and practicality. If that's the same with planes as well then I don't see how this is worth posting. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:08, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

::Um, I don't know if a 1 km [[flying wing]] is ''impossible'' with current technology but we don't live in Star Wars so no benefit could possibly be gained from making a wing that long just to pulverize a world record to dust. Believe it or not but the skyscraper world record is limited by nausea. It is very possible to make a skyscraper taller with the same cost by following the bend so you don't break philosophy but it would sway alarmingly in high wind and that would make people seasick and freak them out. Alternatively, it could have a lower percentage of air but there'd be less floor to offset the increased amount of steel. Or the windows and exterior walls could be replaced by a thicker wall with no windows but people want to not work in a kilometer-tall vertical bunker. Or there could be columns everywhere but floors that are column-less from core to windows rent for more money. Or the core could have less elevators and more column but the elevators would become a transportation bottleneck. Or there could be more elevators per shaft but you'd have to change elevators too many times just to get near the top. Or elevators could be many floors tall but people can only tolerate [[double deck elevators]]. Or elevators could be made faster but the world elevator speed record is already 47 miles per hour and air resistance in the shaft is becoming a problem. Or the elevators could accelerate and decelerate faster but that would make people uncomfortable (or float in the air, which means you are falling). Or buildings could be wider and more pyramidal but this would cause an exponential increase in materials. Maximum distance from a window is also a limiting factor (people rich enough to live or work in the world's tallest building are ''picky''). As for airplanes, it is very hard to get a very large airplane off the ground. The Airbus A380 needs to go like 175 miles per hour just to take off while small planes can take off at less than 65 miles an hour. If you scale an airplane up exactly the weight goes up with the cube of the size but the wing area and strength only goes up with the square of the size. And you cannot scale it up exactly (this is the reason a sparrow can have only 2 legs way thinner than it's body while an elephant has 4 tree trunks for legs and can't even jump) The Space Shuttle lands at 214 to 226 miles an hour and needs a parachute just to stop and it's not even as heavy as a jumbo jet (it needs to land that fast cause each kilo of wing takes like 10 kilos of fuel to send to space) [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 05:47, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Well that's the problem right - if it's already possible to make a plane with 1km wingspan, but it's not done because of issues of practicality (the takeoff speed you mentioned), cost, and so on, then this really isn't much of an achievement. It just means someone has enough time and money to throw at this project, and there wasn't actually a technological breakthrough. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 06:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
::::If it's physically possible with current technology I'd guess it'd be [[flying wing|nothing but wing]], shaped somewhat like a bridge with buttloads of engines and slight arches and landing gears and maybe guy wires and designed so that some parts have more lift and and pull the other parts up like a suspension bridge and maybe only 100 meters long and 10-20 meters thick. It'd cost many billions of dollars - at least c.100 times this airplane and probably not a trillion dollars and could carry many times less percent of it's weight than a cargo plane (maybe close to zero). Ask someone who's isn't just making educated guesses if I'm right. And just because something is possible with current technology doesn't mean anything: If the world's current paint production level was used to paint America's land (ignoring places it can't stick) it could be done in 35 years but asking for 3 square meters of painting the ground per day per capita for decades is a bit much. Practicality ''is'' a consideration or we'd have fighter spaceplanes with rayguns in orbit and Mars colonies ''right now''. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 09:26, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] Fine Gael leadership election, 2017 ====
{{archive top|Lack of overall consensus, and thread appears to have fallen dormant. Will wait for his confirmation as Taoiseach to re-post. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 23:44, 7 June 2017 (UTC) )}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Fine Gael leadership election, 2017
| article2      = Leo Varadkar
| image         = HANDSHAKE 2016-07-14 (28303482095) (cropped).jpg
| blurb         = The governing party of [[Ireland]], [[Fine Gael]], [[Fine Gael leadership election, 2017|elect]] a new party leader.  
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = [[Leo Varadkar]] wins the [[Fine Gael leadership election, 2017|Fine Gael leadership contest]], becoming [[Taoiseach]].
| altblurb2     = In [[Politics of the Republic of Ireland|Irish politics]], [[Leo Varadkar]] wins the '''[[Fine Gael leadership election, 2017|leadership contest]]''' of the ruling [[Fine Gael]] party, becoming the expected successor to [[Enda Kenny]] as [[Taoiseach]]
| altblurb3     = <s>In [[Politics of the Republic of Ireland|Irish politics]], [[Leo Varadkar]] wins the [[Fine Gael leadership election, 2017|Fine Gael leadership contest]], becoming prime minister ([[Taoiseach]]).</s>
| altblurb4     = [[Leo Varadkar]] wins the [[Fine Gael leadership election, 2017|Fine Gael leadership contest]], making him the next prime minister ([[Taoiseach]]) of the [[Republic of Ireland]].
| sources       = [https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0602/879837-fine-gael-leadership-tracker/ RTÉ]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Just putting this in as a placeholder for a result later. Winner will become Taoiseach, so it has international relevance.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 10:30, 2 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*It's the change in [[Taoiseach]] rather than [[Fine Gael]] leader which we should stress in the blurb. Does this happen immediately? [[Fine Gael leadership election, 2017]] is currently inadequate in its discussion of what this election means for the Irish executive, it doesn't actually even mention the word "Taoiseach" once. I support this on notability however, as pretty much all Prime Ministerial changes are notable. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 10:58, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Effectively, yes. However, like with the withdrawal from the Paris Accord, there is legal tape to circumvent first. However, unless the coalition falls apart (and all sides have vowed that it won't), the winner becomes Taoiseach within the next fortnight having won the election. In that way, reporting it in ITN is similar to Macron's victory. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 11:43, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
::*Fair enough, thank you for this clarification. Would you be able to add something along these lines to the article? --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 12:11, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:::*{{U|Stormy clouds}} and I have made some additions and I'm satisfied the article explains this well. We should make sure any blurb posted doesn't imply that the Taoiseach succession is immediate or guaranteed (as it's possible the government could collapse before the succession). I've had a go at this in alt II but my wording isn't very elegant. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 13:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - a Leo Varadkar victory (something which looks like a foregone conclusion at this point) would be further notable as he would become the first LGBT Taoiseach, and one of the [[List of the first LGBT holders of political offices|first European politicians]] to hold such a high office. [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 11:49, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
* Leo Varadkar has officially won, and a prime ministerial change will occur. Article focus has been changed to reflect this. '''Please post''' [[User:Stormy clouds|Stormy clouds]] ([[User talk:Stormy clouds|talk]]) 17:31, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Unless my phone is loading a cached version, the article hasn't yet been updated to include the election results. These would be required before posting. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 17:34, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Wait''': The Dail vote on him becoming Taoiseach is NOT a formality. Fine Gael is in a minority Government dependent on continuing support from Fianna Fail and Independents. As Harold Wilson once said, a week is a long time in politics, and to assume there will be no hitches along the way is [[WP:Crystal]]. Following Varadkar's win, Fianna Fail leader Micheál Martin has already said that he wants to be assured that Varadkar genuinely intends to stick to the programme negotiated a year ago. Subject to the usual article quality requirements, I will definitely support posting if and when he is elected Taoiseach by the Dail (or when he then officially receives his seal of office from President Higgins a few hours later). [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 19:03, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support now''' - although I see Tlhslobus' point, this is in the news now and in a week's time the election will no longer be news, and there isn't going to be an article on the Dail vote. News sources are using confident but not certain phrases such as [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40139428 Ireland "set" to have first gay PM] and [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/02/leo-varadkar-becomes-irelands-prime-minister-elect Leo Varadkar becomes Ireland's "prime minister-elect"]. Alt blurb II maintains this careful balance in the ITN style. In general terms we do not usually wait for inauguration when an election has produced a new something-elect.
:In terms of the article quality, I think it's at minimum standards now, though some "reaction" coverage would be helpful --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 19:27, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I fully expect it will be in the news in both British and Irish media if and when he gets elected. If we post now and he doesn't get elected, we almost certainly won't post his non-election, so lots of our non-Irish readers will be carrying around misleading information in their heads for a long time to come. [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 20:13, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
::::<small>Sorry to say, not many non-Irish/non-British readers carry any information around in their heads about the ''Taoiseach'' – a title which to most of us sounds like something related to Eastern [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism mysticism]. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 21:01, 3 June 2017 (UTC)</small>
:::::True, especially as regards non-Irish/non-British readers, but our posting this may cause them to carry around in their head the info that we Irish have elected a new (and gay) ''Prime Minister'', which is fine if it turns out to be true, but not if it turns out to be mistaken. But you do implicitly raise a valid but relatively minor question as to whether the blurbs should be changed to refer to [[Taoiseach|Prime Minister]], with Taoiseach being hidden in a wikilink - however this relatively minor issue is just the sort of thing that can be debated at [[WP:ERRORS]]. Incidentally a mistaken posting is also quite likely to be carried around uncorrected in the heads of many British readers. [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 23:49, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::How about ''Taoiseach'' in parentheses, and linked? [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 00:17, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::::No problem, but isn't that what's already in the two blurbs that mention the job?[[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 00:27, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::::See '''Alt4''', offered above. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 21:54, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Leaning support'''. Stormy clouds' rationale for the largest ever aeroplane nomination (which I opposed) &ndash; that we need some good news on the page &ndash; does have some validity, and this is a story which if not posted now is going to be posted on the procedural date. My view is that if we end up with egg on our faces over posting this prematurely, it will be the example cited evermore as the reason why we never jump the gun. The reason I say "leaning support" rather than "IAR support" is that I want to be reassured that the gap between this election and Varadkar replacing Kenny is procedural rather than political in nature. If it's purely procedural, then forget all the bureaucracy and just do it now. If there's reason to believe there's anything more than a hypothetical but in practise non-existent chance of him not becoming Taoiseach, then obviously we must wait. [[User:StillWaitingForConnection|StillWaitingForConnection]] ([[User talk:StillWaitingForConnection|talk]]) 23:22, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:::The reason why nobody is reporting when it's going to happen is because there is currently nothing purely procedural about the matter - basically it will almost certainly become purely procedural (in practice if not in theory) if Fianna Fail leader Micheál Martin says 'go ahead', but so far all he has said is that he is seeking assurances that Varadkar is genuinely committed to the programme negotiated with Varadkar's predecessor a year ago (see my links and extract below in my next reply). If Martin says No, Varadkar will not become Taoiseach (at least not without months of negotiation and/or a general election). [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 00:01, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

*'''Support''' The reliable sources are reporting this as meaning that he will become Taoiseach. I think we are entitled and probably bound to rely on that judgment rather than our own speculation. He will also be the first gay and first ethnic minority Taoiseach. [[User:Neljack|Neljack]] ([[User talk:Neljack|talk]]) 23:48, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Perhaps things have changed since, but last time I looked the most 'reliable' Irish source, RTE, made no mention of Varadkar as inevitable Taoiseach, but described him as 'a Dail vote away from being Taoiseach' ('[https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/0602/879643-leo-varadkar-profile/ Leo Varadkar, the new Fine Gael leader, is now a Dáil vote away from being the country's youngest ever taoiseach.]'), and mentioned Fianna Fail leader Micheál Martin's statement that he is seeking assurances that Varadkar is genuinely committed to the programme negotiated with Varadkar's predecessor a year ago ([https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0602/879755-fine-gael-leadership/ here, with extract below]). If Martin says No, Varadkar will not become Taoiseach, at least not without months of negotiation and/or a general election. I have also yet to see any reliable source give a date for when he will become Taoiseach, because nobody knows when the Dail vote will take place, presumably because Martin has yet to give any clear indication of what he will do in such a vote - if it was inevitable they would be telling us 'when the Dail meets next Tuesday (or Wednesday, or whenever)'. [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 00:01, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
:::(Extract as promised above) [https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0602/879755-fine-gael-leadership/ RTE says here:] Speaking on RTÉ's Six One News, Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin said he is looking forward to meeting with the new leader of Fine Gael, most likely in the next week. He said the "Fine Gael angst over the leadership issue" has meant that politics has not been as productive as it could have been. Mr Martin said his party will need reassurances from the new leader that he is committed to making Ireland a "fairer and more decent place". He said he also needs to ensure that Mr Varadkar will hold to the 'confidence and supply agreement' in good faith.[[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 00:48, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

*'''Wait''' Changes in heads of state/government are what we report here, not the leadership of political parties. Once he becomes PM we can post the news. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 00:32, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, [[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]], I was a bit surprised to be in a minority of one (give-or-take some qualifiers like 'leaning towards') before you turned up.[[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 00:52, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. The ''Irish Times'' says [http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-the-man-who-evolved-into-a-taoiseach-1.3106073 "poised to become Ireland’s next and youngest-ever taoiseach"]; the ''Irish Independent'' says [http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/prejudice-has-no-hold-in-this-republic-leo-varadkar-wins-fine-gael-leadership-battle-and-is-set-to-be-next-taoiseach-35781224.html "set to be next Taoiseach"]; The ''Irish Sun'' says [https://www.thesun.ie/news/1082271/leo-varadkar-set-to-become-irelands-youngest-ever-and-first-gay-taoiseach-after-beating-simon-coveney-to-be-crowned-fine-gael-leader/ "set to become Ireland’s youngest ever and first gay Taoiseach"]; the ''Guardian'' says [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/02/leo-varadkar-becomes-irelands-prime-minister-elect "will be the next Irish prime minister"]. Alternative blurb II is in line with all of these. If the government collapses in the next week, Wikipedia will not have more egg on its face than the leading Irish and British newspapers. Per {{U|LukeSurl}}, this will be stale news when the vote for Taoiseach takes place in ten days time.  [[User:Scolaire|Scolaire]] ([[User talk:Scolaire|talk]]) 08:46, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
::Sorry but for very good reasons (IMO) we don't post changes in the leadership of political parties. Yes, this nomination will likely be stale if he is not to become Taoiseach for another ten days. So what? Just renominate. And assuming the article is up to scratch, this will be posted because changes in heads of state/government are ITNR items. Also I think it will be more impressive to post the first openly gay PM in European history than the first gay political party leader. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 19:10, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
:::If you're looking for the first openly gay PM in European history, you've missed you're opportunity by 3.5 years.  See [[Xavier Bettel]].  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 05:12, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Scratch that too.  You're over 8 years late, per [[Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir]].  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 05:14, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Question''' changes in head of state are ITNR, no? [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:10, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
::'''Yes''' Which is why I have suggested that this be renominated once that actually happens. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 01:25, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Just as a point of order, the [[Taoiseach]] is NOT the head of state of Ireland, the [[Uachtarán]] is.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 04:30, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Yup. Like the PM is head of UK government, as in various other parliamentary systems. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:01, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
::*A very relevant point of order, [[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]]. ITNR also says "Changes to the head of government are discussed on their own merits. If election is held in two rounds, only the second round results (i.e., when the official is actually elected) are usually posted." This is in effect a two-round election (first the party vote, then the Dail vote, which is the vote when he actually gets elected, assuming he does indeed get elected). Of course we could presumably also post now that Teresa May is "set" or "poised" to remain the British PM after next Thursday, on the basis that there are plenty of 'reliable sources' (possibly even The Irish Sun?) telling us she is "set" or "poised" to win the election. Indeed it is obviously absolutely disgraceful that we failed to let our readers know last October that Hillary Clinton was "set" and "poised" to be the first female President of the US.[[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 09:37, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support Alt4''' – Pitched to Irish/British and non-Irish/non-British readers alike. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 21:56, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
::I've no problem with its use of 'Prime Minister (Taoiseach)', but as Alt 3 says 'becoming Prime Minister' when he has NOT become Prime Minister (at least not yet), are you suggesting we should now be posting Fake News? [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 04:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
:::No. Substituted '''Alt4''' above. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:49, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': The Irish Times article quoted above in support of posting (The ''Irish Times'' says [http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-the-man-who-evolved-into-a-taoiseach-1.3106073 "poised to become Ireland’s next and youngest-ever taoiseach"]) actually says "A decade later, the 38-year-old Varadkar is now the new leader of Fine Gael, poised to become Ireland’s next and youngest-ever taoiseach – assuming he can agree terms with Independents and Fianna Fáil.". The omission above of that 'assuming' clause totally changes the meaning of what the article said, in a manner that is thoroughly misleading. And we are given The Irish Sun as a 'reliable source', both above and in our current Varadkar article, which also fails to report the caution of reliable sources like The Irish Times and RTE (quoted above by me) when it just says (in its Leader of Fine Gael section) "He will become Ireland's first openly gay Taoiseach, as well as the youngest and the first of half-Indian descent.[23][24]" (by the way, [23] is The Irish Sun, basically the Irish edition of the famous British tabloid, which would not usually be seen as a reliable source, especially when it differs from RTE and The Irish Times). Where reliable sources differ this is supposed to be mentioned, so this also raises issues regarding article quality (I may or may not try to fix that myself later if I have the time and energy, but I'd first hope some person less involved in this dispute might do it instead).[[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 04:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Oppose per other people and especially oppose alt4 which is showing signs of floundering. [[User:LordAtlas|LordAtlas]] ([[User talk:LordAtlas|talk]]) 23:29, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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== June 1 ==
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==== [Posted] RD: Roy Barraclough ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Roy Barraclough
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/jun/01/coronation-street-star-roy-barraclough-dies-aged-81 The Guardian], [http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40119752 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = MBlaze Lightning <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 09:27, 3 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Oppose'''. Most of the article has no sources. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 09:43, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Sourcing issues have been addressed. &mdash;[[User:MBlaze Lightning|<span style="color:#0000f1; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #CC4E5C">'''<big>MB</big>laze Lightning''' </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:MBlaze Lightning|'''T''']]</sup> 16:33, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 04:27, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] 2017 Resorts World Manila attack ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2017 Resorts World Manila attack<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = At least 34 are dead and at least 54 are injured in a '''[[2017 Resorts World Manila attack|mass shooting at the Resorts World Manila]]''' complex in the Philippines.  
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = At least 34 people are dead and at least 54 injured after an '''[[2017 Resorts World Manila attack|attack at the Resorts World Manila]]''' complex in the Philippines.
| altblurb2     = At least 34 people are dead and 54 are injured in a '''[[2017 Resorts World Manila attack|suspected robbery and arson]]''' at the [[Resorts World Manila]] complex in the Philippines.  
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40129016 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Kguirnela<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = DondeEstaElBurro?<!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = Michael5046<!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Atleast 25 people have died.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 03:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Note''': I've added a blurb.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 03:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*Concrete information is still sketchy, but supposedly this wasn't a mass shooting at all, and it may not even have been intended as an attack. Investigators are theorizing that this may have been a botched robbery, and most/all of the fatalities so far were caused by smoke inhalation. This should be posted either way, I would think, but it's still early. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 03:57, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*:Feel free to edit the blurb as needed.  I wrote it based on the state of the article at the time.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 04:00, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Neutral''' per Bongwarrior but note with some irony that the blurb it's likely to push out is the one on the Marawi crisis, which is also Phillipines related + takes up more news time in the country + will have longer-lasting consequences than this. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 04:05, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
**Certain stories don't get to stay on longer because we want to [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 04:07, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support posting''' I saw this earlier and thought to nominate it, but I was unclear on what was going on and ended up taking a nap. I suggest being as vague as we can be in the blurb until specifics are confirmed. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 04:06, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Regardless if the deaths were not a result of the attack, this would still be considered a significant disaster. Give it a couple more hours for stabilization of details before posting. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 05:36, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:The problem is just the wording of the event. It reads as though the shooter shot everyone and that just wasn't the case.
*'''Support with alt2''' Needs a better blurb showing how the victims died. They weren't shot. [[User:LordAtlas|LordAtlas]] ([[User talk:LordAtlas|talk]]) 06:08, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support with alt-blurb2'''.  Major causality event, but current understanding is that no one was actually shot and that it was not an intentional attack / terrorism.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 06:18, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support alt2''' covered on every major news outlet, high amount of casualties. —[[User:SomeoneNamedDerek|SomeoneNamedDerek]] ([[User talk:SomeoneNamedDerek|talk]]) 06:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support alt2''' obviously.  Good to go.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:14, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I don't think we should post Alt2.  Whether or not this was terrorism is down to speculation.  The local authorities assert that it was a robbery based on no evidence.  ISIS claims the attack as their own, again with no evidence.  There's circumstantial evidence either way: ISIS previously threatened to increase attacks as part of the local uprising; the perpetrators killed themselves during the attack; there was no use of explosives; no one was apparently shot; the perpetrators took a large amount of casino chips during the attack, and so one.  I think it's better to call this an "attack" and change later to "robbery" if there's consensus from authorities, than to call it a "robbery" and then have to sift through the back-and-forth at ERRORS if it turns out to be terrorism.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.207|128.214.69.207]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.207|talk]]) 09:26, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt2''', per the above comments. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 09:28, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*{{ec}}<small>x2</small> '''Posted''' alt 2. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*I suggest we use [[:File:Resorts World Manila.JPG]] as the ITN image as it more directly relates to an ITN item than a photo of Trump. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 10:50, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
::Done. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 17:30, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Posted] US will withdraw from Paris Agreement on climate change ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Paris Agreement<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Donald Trump]] announces that the United States will withdraw from the '''[[Paris Agreement]]''' on [[climate change]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = [[Donald Trump]] announces that the United States will '''[[United States withdrawal from the Paris Agreement|withdraw]]''' from the [[Paris Agreement]] on [[climate change mitigation]].
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/climate/trump-paris-climate-agreement.html New York Times] [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-to-announce-us-will-exit-paris-climate-deal/2017/06/01/fbcb0196-46da-11e7-bcde-624ad94170ab_story.html Washington Post]
| updated       = no<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Thue <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      =<!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = Trump's actions on climate change (Trump has said climate change is a Chinese hoax) has widely and internationally been cited as one point where he might make a big impact. This withdrawal is making headlines around the world.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Thue|Thue]] ([[User talk:Thue|talk]]) 20:39, 1 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' I think it's more relevant that China have committed to it, rather than ''yet another'' Trumpism.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:55, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
**The point is that virtually every other country had committed to it. Now that the US is out, it might destabilize the whole agreement, since the US might hypothetically gain a competitive advantage by polluting unchecked. So it could conceivably have the consequence that China quits it too. So I can't see how you think the big news is that China had previously committed to it (when China thought the US was also in). Also, "rather than ''yet another'' Trumpism" is hardly a worthy argument in an ITN discussion. [[User:Thue|Thue]] ([[User talk:Thue|talk]]) 21:04, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''<s>Wait</s>Support''' Thue has a valid point here, but this also only an intent to withdraw. There is now likely going to be internal politicking going on, possibly on the budget as a bargaining point, before the signature is actually withdrawn. I would wait until the US has committed to the withdraw. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 21:22, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
**As the New York Times article points out, the withdrawal could take 4 years. This is real news, the top headline everywhere, with real consequences RIGHT NOW - there is a reason why e.g. the New York Times is making it a headline now, and not in 4 years. We should of course also post it in 4 years, if the US actually goes through with the withdrawal - 2 posts in 4 years about this extremely significant news item is not too much. [[User:Thue|Thue]] ([[User talk:Thue|talk]]) 21:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
***This is a good point, I thought it would be something in a few months with bargaining involved, but clearly it's much longer. Add that there's potential ramifications for some other already-signed countries to drop out, plus a handful of US states their their own action to uphold it, and this is too significant a data point to miss. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 22:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''', obviously. This is a huge international story and it is being covered as such by just about every news outlet in the world. Just as with Brexit, the correct time to post is now, when the process begins, not when it is formally completed (which, again as in Brexit, will take a long time). [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 21:28, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
** With Brexit, we posted three times, all at hard points of action: the results of the referendum, the court's judgement that they would have to evoke Section 50 to widthdraw, and the actual passage of legislation to evoke Section 50. This presently is an intent to withdraw (the US already signed) so we should wait until the point of action, the actual "de-signing" point. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 21:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
***The actual withdrawal is in 4 years. You want to wait 4 years to post this? [[User:Thue|Thue]] ([[User talk:Thue|talk]]) 21:46, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Withdrawing from this agreement is of significant international interest, and more than a standard "Trumpism". &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 22:21, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''.  Aside from the US ceding influence on the accord, there is fear that it could upend the whole agreement by motivating other nations to pull out or otherwise not meet their commitments.  Major international impact. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:27, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. This is from the ''WaPo'' story cited by the nominator: "Withdrawing the United States from the agreement could take years due to the accord’s legal structure and language." By that time, a lot could happen -- and somebody else could be president. This is a typical Trumpian media event designed to gain control of a few news cycles before CNN, NYT and ''WaPo'' go back to their usual Russia conspiracy mongering. [[User:Whiff of greatness|Whiff of greatness]] ([[User talk:Whiff of greatness|talk]]) 22:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*Who remembers George W. Bush's dance on Kyoto, or that dramatic moment when Canada withdrew in 2011? I certainly had to look it up. In another week, this incident will be remembered as "the Trumpism that happened after covfefe" -- if it's remembered at all. [[User:Whiff of greatness|Whiff of greatness]] ([[User talk:Whiff of greatness|talk]]) 03:16, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' This is clearly ITN-worthy (it's not every day the world's largest economy announces its intention to withdraw from a top-tier international agreement), but the Paris Agreement article currently has only a sentence on the topic, along with a rather speculative and narrow sub-section based on discussions by delegates at a pensions conference. [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] ([[User talk:Nick-D|talk]]) 22:43, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
** I do not think we should expect more yet on this; the news is abuzz with tons of speculation of what might happen but that's not our purposes. The article should state Trump is seeking withdrawl and provide his reasons for it, and any immediate reaction (such as several US cities and three states working to support the agreement despite a lack of federal support). Any more detail is beyond our current scope. (The Paris Agreement is otherwise very good). --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:59, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. While a lot may happen in 4 years, this is big news now, drawing reactions from many world leaders (compare other "Trumpisms" like "covfefe" or the orb - no reactions apart from Twitter and a concentrated amount of media articles around a few days). <span style="border=3px double #0075EA">[[User:Seagull123|'''<span style="background:#304747;color:#BED6D6">&nbsp;Seagull123&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Seagull123|'''<span style="color:#304747;background-color:#BED6D;">&nbsp;Φ&nbsp;</span>''']]</span> 22:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - This is like a terror attack perpetrated by the US on the rest of the world so its news worthy..--<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-size:medium;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;">[[User:Stemoc|Ste]][[User talk:Stemoc|moc]]</span> 22:48, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Trumpose''' (Oppose), not more Trump creep and this time just about a non-binding agreement. Whether the US is in it officially or not, it really makes little impact, because of the lack of enforcement. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 23:37, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Very significant news. --[[User:Bruzaholm|Bruzaholm]] ([[User talk:Bruzaholm|talk]]) 23:39, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Article is quite well sourced now. Added altblurb specifying that it was an agreement on climate change mitigation, more than an agreement on climate change. [[User:Neegzistuoja|Neegzistuoja]] ([[User talk:Neegzistuoja|talk]]) 00:07, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Such sad news. But why are we not linking the actual article: [[United States withdrawal from the Paris Agreement]]  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sherenk1|contribs]]) 00:14, 2 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
* '''Support''' – Heavy global coverage of what is probably biggest move yet to implement DT's benighted vision of Amerika über Allies (''sic''). – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 00:21, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' heavy global coverage, international diplomatic consequences, what more can we ask for? [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 00:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' a modified version of the altblurb.  The US Withdrawal article is the subject of a merge discussion; if that closes as "don't merge" we can change the link later.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 00:59, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' (was about to post this myself but Jayron beat me to it.) While I share the concerns expressed by some that we don't want ITN to become a Trump news ticker, sometimes he does things that clearly ''are'' really significant news. This falls into that category. On a side note the article appears to be in acceptable condition for posting. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 01:02, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*This image needs to be yanked as soon as possible. This image ''is not currently available under a free license'', so it may not appear on the front page. Without going into detail due to the confidentiality agreement I have through OTRS, it is ''not'' public domain. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 02:00, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*:I've started the process of posting a replacement.  In the future, please post such concerns to [[WP:ERRORS]]; when noted here they tend to get missed.  Problems with currently appearing main page content is dealt with faster if posted at [[WP:ERRORS]].  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 02:16, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''' - internationally significant, major story. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]]<sup>[[User talk:Neutrality|talk]]</sup> 06:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Why is this another Trump story?''' - ''The [[United States]] announces its [[United States withdrawal from the Paris Agreement|withdrawal from the Paris Agreement]] on [[climate change mitigation]].''  This is shorter blurb, more direct.  So what if it's the president that announces things, this is a US action. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 09:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' -- and yes, this is a Trump story; he seems to have gone against all advice, and the consensus within his own party, to do this, and has made it very clear that he, and he alone, is the person responsible for this decision. However, we should be linking [[United States withdrawal from the Paris Agreement]], not the main Paris Agreement article. -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] ([[User talk:The Anome|talk]]) 09:45, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Please read above again.  When I said "The US Withdrawal article is the subject of a merge discussion; if that closes as "don't merge" we can change the link later" what I meant by that was "The US Withdrawal article is the subject of a merge discussion; if that closes as "don't merge" we can change the link later".  I hope that clears up your confusion.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 03:00, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
**Trump made the decision as representative of the US people. He campaigned against it, and the US people rewarded him for it. The US refused to ratify the [[Kyoto Protocol]], this is not new. The US should not hide behind Trump. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 09:59, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Removed] Remove Battle of Mosul from Ongoing ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Battle of Mosul (2016-present)
| ongoing       = rem
| nom cmt       = Trying this again.  Last substantial update was on 29th May Monday, 4 bodycount sentences.  Before that, 27 May, 2 bodycount sentences.  Out of NY Times, LA Times, BBC, Guardian, La Pais, Le Monde, and Der Spiegel, only 1 (Spiegel) has an article about this on the frontpage, when they previously (April 14) had an article claiming the battle was over.  Article talk page is discussing whether they should condense the prose due to the event "winding down".  I suspect there will never be a clear "end" to this event, and as such the lack of substantial updates and interest from RSes should be enough to pull this.
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/128.214.69.166|128.214.69.166]] ([[User talk:128.214.69.166|talk]]) 09:13, 1 June 2017 (UTC) 
}}
*'''Support''' removal, per nom. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 10:19, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' removal; it seems like it's now time to remove this.  We can always add it back should conditions warrant. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:26, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' removal. Not much is served by keeping this on ongoing. I imagine that within the next few months the battle will be over, and if there is a clear point where this happens (probably a declaration of victory by the Iraqi government) that would be an ITN item. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 10:45, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' has outstayed its welcome by some distance. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:52, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per previous comments. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:08, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*Removed. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 15:53, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

==== [Closed] Kathy Griffin controversy ====
{{archivetop|Reclosing in a snowstorm;  This tabloid news won't be posted. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:14, 1 June 2017 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Kathy Griffin<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Comedian '''[[Kathy Griffin]]''' faces backlash after posing with a decapitated model of U.S. President [[Donald Trump]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4     = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40102229 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Hphrp1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      =<!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Hphrp1|Hphrp1]] ([[User talk:Hphrp1|talk]]) 00:21, 1 June 2017 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Not notable (enough). No article. No encyclopedic value in the long run. [[User:LordAtlas|LordAtlas]] ([[User talk:LordAtlas|talk]]) 00:22, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Fairly decent article (few BLP issues should be easy to solve), person has a history of controversial behavior, item most certainly in the news. Going to give this snowball a chance. 14 minutes was a little extreme for an "ITN regular" to just decide what "we don't post" per some unwritten rule. --[[User:CosmicAdventure|CosmicAdventure]] ([[User talk:CosmicAdventure|talk]]) 19:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is not significant enough for ITN.--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 19:30, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – Hollywood drama, nothing of importance in the long-term. ~ [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|chat]]) 19:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' unencyclopedic, no lasting impact, etc. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. This is a case of [[censorship in the United States]], but at the same time, everyone agrees this content should be censored (herself included now). Did she break the law? Perhaps, if the Secret Service is investigating her. But as far as ITN is concerned, this is too anecdotal.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 19:46, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' This is the type of political mudslinging WP overall (much less ITN) needs to be involved in until its permanence is better known. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 19:48, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - not a significant event as per various above. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 20:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
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