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Adding more Egg Punk artists and info on the origins of the sound
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Hi, I'm excited to find out that egg punk has finally got a wiki page, been waiting for this since 2021 or so, but it's kind of disappointing that it's still so under-documented at the moment, this article has no mention of Spanish-based bands such as Prison Affair and Seggs Tape. Nor UK group Powerplant and mentions of American bands Landline, C.C.T.V. and Snõõper. It also feels like the etymological references to the origin of the sound are also under-represented, egg punk has a lot indebted to the garage punk of the 2000s alas Jay Reatard and the Spits whilst also harking back to goofy new wave music as widely known with Devo but also Suburban Lawns and Urinals, art-punk bands like the aforementioned Urinals and London-based Swell Maps also have had an influence on the genre, you see them featured in egg punk Spotify playlists even though they formed in the 1970s. There's also a lot of overlap in egg punk with synth-punk music. Some of these claims have shoddy sources which I added but the page was later restored to the original, if I'll have to wait a little while for the second wave of egg punk to fully takeover and bring more prominence to the genre so there can be more reliable sources then that's okay. Thank you everyone for working on this page. XP 79.79.80.252 (talk) 15:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your thoughts. Two points on this: (1) I definitely agree with your points but what can be put in the article really is a matter of what significant coverage there is out there from reliable sources, and sadly there isn't much. On the scope of bands; (2) I added a large and well-cited list of various egg punk artists to the page in the past, which you can find in the page history, but this was removed on the argument that these sort of pages aren't lists. Maybe there's a way of synthesising - pun intended - these loose sources with the article body. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 22:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, a list like the one you made would mean creating a page just for that (something like "category: list of egg punk bands") maybe even regional ones too. But I was just wanting to include just a handful of the main bands in the scene, it seems my edits right now have not been reverted. I did not include as much as I did last time, but the sources I linked seemed to be enough for me to add some information on stylistic influences on the genre as well as bands in the scene. Eventually will hope for more coverage to come about as I couldn't quite add other bands like Kitchen & the Spoons, Swell Maps and the Mummies who were also pretty influential. Your list was pretty great though and it sucks they had to remove it. Maybe it's also because more bands will emerge in the scene and they don't want the page to just become a massive list, though Liquids, Silicone Prairie, Checkpoint and Seggs Tape 100% need a mention on this page.
Anyways, cheers great to see egg punk developing into something bigger, remember calling it a few years ago that it would become a pretty influential and important genre in the future and it seems like this is finally starting to happen. Like some kind of Gen Z punk thing lol, the barrier of entry to release egg punk songs seems to be pretty low and they are mostly lo-fi and home-recorded, the forms of distributing the albums on bandcamp and YouTube are also pretty interesting and accessible, it reminds me of how punk started in the '70s, but some kind of 21st century bizzarro world online version of it XP 79.79.80.252 (talk) 23:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah this stuff rules, saw Uranium Club earlier this year for an egg-punk triple bill in Australia. It was wild to me how much that scene took off domestically here. I'll keep an eye on this page and do a sweep for any new coverage now and then to see if we can beef it up. Hopefully if the genre has traction someone will do a major article sooner than later! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 00:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The material appears to gave been removed in this edit by @Binksternet with the edit summary "removing non-notable bands ". The problem is that Wikipedia articles need to be based on reliable sources. For example The Coneheads are sourced by ref[4] in the history section. As far as I can tell none of the bands you mentioned are in the citation given. If you find reliable sources discussing any of the bands as egg punk then please add them to the article or make a suggestion here on the talk page. Commander Keane (talk) 12:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Egg punk does not seem to be a music subgenre, at least, not yet. And I don't think it should be documented as being a music subgenre. It was an internet shitpost about how to divide up existing punk bands on a "chain vs egg"-spectrum. It doesn't have any musical characteristics of its own that separates it from other punk subgenres. It doesn't make sense to take bands from various subgenres and then pile them up in some category of "egg punk" because you think they share the characteristic of "being silly" to try and give weight to an internet meme. Now of course internet memes can become the basis of music genres if they spawn a new sound, but that is not what I am seeing here. These seem to be mostly garage punk bands that are being put in an additional category according to vibe rather than a movement of artists driving a new particular sound. Is it a noteworthy social phenomenon? Sure. Is it a music subgenre? No ---Voidkomtalk13:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Article author here so obviously I have my own take. Totally up for pontificating about genres and welcome it, but I guess I'd just say I unsurprisingly don't think the train of thought gives rise to contesting the notability of the article, or significantly rewriting the article to frame it as a meme or Internet trend.
My thoughts:
If the subject matter has received notable coverage and sources have called it a genre, it has a right to be considered being called as such in an article. Genres are just cultural categories after all. I will definitely concede that nobody is using chain punk to describe anything, but that's a good indication that whilst the meme brought the term into origination, other sources have adopted the egg punk thing on their own steam.
There is a long and storied history of spuriously defined subgenres pushed by secondary sources that are notable on the basis of their coverage and adoption by artists. I understand that this article is a little more niche, but genres like vaporwave, chillwave, seapunk, or witch house are good examples of genres willed into existence by Internet coverage alone.
On the point internet memes can become the basis of music genres if they spawn a new sound, subgenres are derivative by nature, and shouldn't be considered to exist only if they're original. Regardless, that assessment isn't the editor's role to make, it's to capture what the sources and coverage have to say about the subject matter.
I don't think this article is WP:INDISCRIMINATE. There is a definite criteria to the scene described by the sources used. Most of the artists mentioned are pretty obviously lo-fi/DIY punk and described by the article and sources as belonging to the genre. The point about the satirical tone isn't just a matter of labelling artists that are "being silly". I think the article and its sources make clear that the genre's reference point of satire or unseriousness has significance both in terms of (a) defining what it's not, which was how the term originated, and (b) frames a reference point to new wave/zolo interpretations of punk long set by DEVO.
