Talk:John S. McCain Sr.

Serious need of improvement

McCain was a major figure in World War II and deserves a much fuller article than this in its present form, which seems to be mostly genealogy of only marginal relevance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.231.245.243 (talk) 22:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The book "Halsey's Storm" has a good deal about "Stew" McCain and would be a good place to start with fixing this bio. He was a very important figure in WWII and you would have no idea about this from reading this bio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.213.146 (talk) 04:11, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

There isn't very much about McCain on the web. So, someone is going to have to crack open a book or two in order to improve this article significantly. Whoever does it, please make sure to inline cite the source. Cla68 (talk) 00:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

No cites for the posthumous award of a combat action ribbon. The CAR is retroactive to 07 Dec 41, eligibility is limited to Captain (O6) and below. McCain made RADM (O7) in Jan 1941 making him ineligible for the CAR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.21.160 (talk) 18:23, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Multiple edits on January 14, 2008

Sorry for making so many edits to this article today. It took me that many tries to get it right; sometimes I forget to preview before saving. Anyway, no mischief afoot. Yellow-bellied sapsucker (talk) 17:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Descent from Robert the Bruce?

This statement is factually incorrect "His grandson John S. McCain III claims royal descent on his campaign website". The article clearly states that McCain’s family roots in Europe are Scotch-Irish. His great-aunt was a descendant of Robert the Bruce, an early Scottish king. Well It is a clear fact that no one is the direct descendant of their "great aunt" (notwithstanding incestuous relationships). It is also clear that if this aunt were the sister of one of McCain's direct ancestors, say his great-grandfather or great-grandmother, then we would say that his direct ancestor claimed descent from Robert the Bruce. The fact that it is only his great-aunt that claims this descent implies that he is related to Robert the Bruce by marriage, and is therefore not a direct descendant. I'm going to amend the text. Alun (talk) 08:04, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Cause of Death

What exactly was McCain's cause of death? Jaedglass (talk) 03:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

McCain, JO

"McCain took part in the Great White Fleet's world cruise". Just to be clear, I deleted refs Nimitz et al 'cause there's no causal relationship between the GWF cruise & rising to flag rank, & "many JOs" as flaming obvious, unless you think the ships were crewed entirely by ABs. It would, however, be of value to mention what ship McCain served in during the cruise.... Also, tho I don't think there's an article yet, I'd distinguish "aviator" from "naval aviator"... TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 19:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

His father's name

Are we sure his father's name was John S. Mccain? Would he still be called J.S.M Senior in this case? and his grandson JSM III? --Valleyofdawn (talk) 14:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this is a known oddity of the McCain family history. They didn't start the "chaining" until after one generation with the same name. Wasted Time R (talk) 05:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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Cover-up of Isaeli Attack on US Warship "Liberty"

No mention is made of his role in the cover-up.66.25.171.16 (talk) 05:56, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Likely because no reliable sources exist to support that statement. If you have some, please present them. clpo13_(talk) 23:36, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Actually, it's probably because that event, the USS Liberty incident, occurred 22 years after he died. He died in 1945, the Liberty incident was in 1967. 73.194.85.220 (talk) 21:28, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Nominator: Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) 23:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 11:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll get to this shortly--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 11:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Sturmvogel 66: You reckon? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

For varying definitions of shortly

• Images appropriately licensed
• Academy standing excessive detail for the lede

  Y Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Link battleships and cruisers in the lede

  Y Linked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Marriage date of his parents is relevant how? And the names of his paternal grandparents?

  Y Deleted. Another editor thought details about ancestry relevant. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• link flagship, armored cruiser, navigator

  Y Linked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Tell the reader that Halifax is a Canadian port

  Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Numbers of hours of class is excessive detail; the topics alone suffice

  Y I think that it is relevant. Not everybody knows how much training they received. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  Almost nobody does, but you're getting too deep into the weeds here. Honestly the proper encyclopedic level of detail is that he graduated from X school with Z degree on Y date; the number of hours is really irrelevant as that was set by the school and would evolve as technology changed. If you were writing an article on the changes in aeronautical education by the USN over time, these would be useful, but not here. Just because you have the information available doesn't mean it's actually relevant to the man at our level of detail.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  Y very well. Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• McCain helped Alameda. What does this mean?

  Y Elaborated. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Fix the caption of McCain and his wife

  Y Fixed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• You should add that Clark remained aboard Hornet as an advisor to McCain until the TG resupplied at Manus at the end of September

  Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• and refueling commenced at 07:24 what day in October, the 25th?

  Y Yes. Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Suggest that you add that Halsey and McCain ignored advice from their TG commanders to maneuver to avoid the typhoon in June

  Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• The link for George Bryan goes to the wrong person

  Y Looks like the hydrographer doesn't have an article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Fix the link to the University of Mississippi

  Y Fixed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Most of the stuff about McCain's great-grandchildren is trivia.

  I wouldn't call it trivia, but I am not sure it belongs here. I would prefer if it was forked off into a separate article on the McCain family. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  I also think that it would be better in an article on the entire family.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  Moved it to its own article, McCain family. This becomes the main article of an existing category. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 11:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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John S. McCain and his son John S. McCain Jr. in September 1945. Admiral McCain died a few days after this photo was taken.

• ... that John S. McCain Sr. and John S. McCain Jr. (pictured) were the first father and son pair to achieve the rank of four-star admiral? Source: "McCain Jr. and his father were the first father-son duo to attain the rank of four-star admiral." Stars and Stripes [1]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The boys of Pointe du Hoc

Improved to Good Article status by Hawkeye7 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 428 past nominations.

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: All looks good to me. Rarely see an Earwig report at 0.0%—wow! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 03:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)