Talk:Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2020
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Song titles featuring translations
[edit]I don't think we should still consider the translations (such as the "Open Up" in "Vidkryvai (Open Up)") as part of the song titles. While junioreurovision.tv generally includes them, and they are included during the live show when the song begins, I doubt they are actually intended to be part of the title, and are only meant to be a translation for the reader/viewer, especially since these translations are virtually nonexistent in the adult contest.
I feel this way now because of this post on junioreurovision.tv which clearly refers to the song as only "Vidkryvai", and uses "Open Up" as just a translation of the actual song title. They also conflict, as the participants page translates "Vidkryvai" as "Open", instead of "Open Up". I think we should remove these translations from the page, which would also make the table more pleasant and easier to read. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 07:38, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree. However, I think the translations are still useful to the reader. Maybe still include those translations, but then outside of the quotes? ―JochemvanHees (talk) 13:28, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- @JochemvanHees: WikiProject Eurovision reached a consensus to not include translations except in articles about the songs themselves. I definitely agree it's useful information, but if the reader wants to know what the title means in English, they can go to the song's (sub)article. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 13:35, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Disagree. The official album which got released today lists the Ukrainian song as 'Vidkryvai (Open Up)'. They are definitely part of the title. — TheThomanski | t | c | 23:35, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
- True, but it the translation is not consistently used. For example, the single version does not have the translation on YouTube Music and Apple Music. Therefore the song is clearly titled "Vidkryvai" and the translation is just extra. I do find it strange however that Vidkryvai is the only song on the album that has a translation in the title. ―JochemvanHees (talk) 08:54, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
- This article is about JESC 2020, so in my opinion, we should just use the titles that are used on the official album and in the actual contest. The Russian song is actually called "Moy novyy den" instead of "My New Day", but it also got changed for the contest. I would think that if the EBU really meant this as quick translations, that they would also attempt to translate "J'imagine" and "Palante". I just think it's more consistent to list the titles that are used for the actual contest. — TheThomanski | t | c | 11:19, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
Short explanations for spokespersons
[edit]@009988aaabbbccc: I'm not sure what you mean with "not necessary"? Why are the explanations for Melani and Darija necessary but for Robin and Marita aren't? ―JochemvanHees (talk) 15:56, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
- They have never been JESC competitors. If they once become JESC competitots then this would have been written. 009988aaabbbccc (talk) 17:20, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, but why then is it only for JESC competitors necessary to be explained who they are? ―JochemvanHees (talk) 18:07, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Should there be a Location column in the participants table?
[edit]Since this year most participants performed in their home country, I thought it would be a good idea to add some information about who performed where. On my sandbox page, I added a Location column to the participants table where I already filled in who performed where. Maybe other editors can take a look and give feedback? Thanks. ―JochemvanHees (talk) 22:45, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
- Looks good! I agree that the locations should be included in the participants table. Maybe it'd be better to put them in the last column though (just like the table at Eurovision: Europe Shine a Light#Performances). ― Ætoms [talk] 11:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Vandalism protection request
[edit]The vandalism started because of course it did. Currently the winner is listed as Monaco.
Would it be possible to protect the page until this all fizzles out? It shouldn't take that long... Not A Superhero (talk) 20:11, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Links to languages
[edit]@Eurofan00: Hi, I'm wondering why you reverted my edit? There was earlier agreement here to remove that wikilink. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 07:05, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
@176.92.33.89: this is not just the discussion of three weeks ago, but also this discussion from February: Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2021/Archive 1 § English language link, and also the project-wide consensus at MOS:OVERLINK. If you disagree with that, you can give your own arguments, but don't say there is no consensus at all. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 14:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Also, you're right that I have not yet taken the time to update it on all Eurovision-related pages (because there's a lot of them), but that is no reason to revert it here. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 14:28, 27 September 2021 (UTC)