Talk:National Resistance Front of Afghanistan

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Not moved, 18 August 2021, to Second Resistance, see discussion.
Moved, 31 August 2021, from Panjshir resistance to National Resistance Front of Afghanistan, see discussion.

Removing website

Considering that there are two competing websites (nrfafg.org and nationalresistance.org), each promulgated by a high-ranking member of the NRF (Ali Nazary, Head of Foreign Relations, and Sibghatullah Ahmadi, Spokesperson), we should remove the website field altogether until one emerges as concretely more authoritative Dan Wang (talk) 14:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

nrfafg.org is cited as the NRF website by twitter.com/NRFafg (41,000 followers), and nationalresistance.org is cited by twitter.com/NR_Front (7,600 followers) Dan Wang (talk) 15:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have reliable, secondary sources that identify the website? If not, perhaps it’s best to leave it out. -- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:59, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I haven’t seen any reliable secondary sources invoke either website directly. I’ve seen news websites quote the @NRFafg Twitter page (e.g. https://www.republicworld.com/amp/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/northern-alliance-refutes-talibans-victory-in-panjshir-assures-to-continue-fighting.html), and others have quoted Sibghatullah Ahmadi in tweets where he’s tagged @NR_front (e.g. https://newsplaneta.com/2022/05/16/afghanistan-struggle-rekindles-claiming-lives-and-sending-civilians-fleeing-as-taliban-battles-panjshir-valley-resistance/?amp=1). Dan Wang (talk) 21:38, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Might also be a case of the "resistance" movement just not being united anymore. That would explain why the COI accounts are calling the other side scammers. Juxlos (talk) 07:44, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On a review, note that:

The nationalresistance.org website is linked to by the Twitter account NR_Front, and was created in April 2022. nrfafg is linked to by the NRFafg twitter account, created in August 2021. Both accounts have some degree of legitimacy through officials mentioning them.

It definitely looks like a case of an internal split, or someone fucked up and created a new website for no reason. However, the NRFafg account (and website) seems to have more traffic, though Massoud seems to be mostly using the longer named site. Juxlos (talk) 07:52, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BBC Persian indicates the nationalresistance.org website (not explicitly, but check the watermark in the image). Juxlos (talk) 06:47, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was just looking at that article and wondering now it verified the use of a particular website. The fact that the website name appears in an image from the NR_Front twitter account only shows that the NR_Front supplied the image. There's nothing there asserting that that website is the official one. That's not to say that it isn't, just that the BBC reference is no good. I would suggest that both websites stay out until a valid secondary source can be found to confirm which is correct. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 08:58, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Until this is sorted out, should the website link under “External links” also be removed? Brunton (talk) 10:24, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think so. -- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 10:38, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update on history

Article's history is lagging behind, not to mention it's old by a year. Suggest that we add info on it based on the Republican Insurgency in Afghanistan page. Ominae (talk) 13:45, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What text would you suggest? -- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:53, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Has there been much news regarding the insurgency lately? Aside from a few skirmishes and ambushes in late 2021, it seems to have gone into hibernation at least news-wise. Juxlos (talk) 15:14, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. If you check the Republican insurgency in Afghanistan, there's been a recent resurgence in activity in Panjshir in late August, at least if the sources are accurate enough which iirc they are Glakes (talk) 17:25, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Afghan (English) news has shown them to be active as of September. Thinking of suggesting the text where the page (Republican insurgency) talked about expansion outside of Panjshir. Ominae (talk) 12:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Serious talks

We should fix the detailed map right now It's messy so much plus the national resistance doesn't even control 95% of panjshir and controlling most northern provinces of Afghanistan 105.101.224.167 (talk) 05:59, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Map sources

Currently the article has a map indicating that around 20 districts are under the control of the resistance. It cites a user-generated wiki map that itself has no sources; additionally, there are differences between the two maps. The claim that vast swaths of territory are under resistance control is WP:EXCEPTIONAL given reporting consistently indicates the resistance has been unable to gain a foothold. I will have to remove the map if no sources can be provided. 25stargeneral (talk) 00:47, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

coalescence in Panjshir ?

coalescence ? Any more simple wording possible ?? Wisdood (talk) 11:05, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removing website

Update on history

Serious talks

Map sources

coalescence in Panjshir ?

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