Talk:Prayagraj

Allahabad not Prayagraj now

It should be changed to Allahabad as per WP: COMMONNAME according to Google Ngram Allahabad is the most used term not Prayagraj. So it should be change like Turkey Which isn't change to its official name Turkiye because of WP: COMMONNAME also like Chittagong it's official name is Chattogram But it was not change because of the same reason. Therealbey (talk) 08:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Also some editors strongly oppose Stepanakert's move to Khankendi although several sources i.e. from Google maps to BBC call the city Khankendi. What's with the double standards here?Yakamoz51 (talk) 13:05, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Therealbey Nobody calls it Allahabad anymore so... 103.99.18.91 (talk) 03:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

There have been multiple discussions over several years. Starting a discussion again to go back to old name is not relevant anymore. RohitSaxena (talk) 11:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Etymology updates

This page is for Prayagraj. The etymology references to Allahabad is irrelevant here. It's quite childish to talk about some other word in etymology than the topic of the page. 2607:FEA8:4B60:C700:3607:7E78:A05A:5895 (talk) 17:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

But Prayagraj is merely the new name for Allahabad. Why is was called Allahabad is entirely relevant.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Prayagraj is still known as Allahabad. As pointed out by @Toddy1, it is merely the new name for Allahabad. A few important institutions are still called Allahabad, including Allahabad High Court, IIIT-Allahabad and NIT Allahabad. Hope it helps! 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 14:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Page name should be changed as per WP:COMMONNAME Therealbey (talk) 19:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Support renaming to "Allahabad" per WP:COMMONNAME Abo Yemen✉ 14:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Support renaming to Allahabad per WP:COMMONNAME Tagooty (talk) 15:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

These institutions are established through constitution of India, so the name they bear has nothing to do with the city name. Example is IIT_Hyderabad, it's not even in Hyderabad city, neither even in Hyderabad_district,_India. So citing that High Court or University etc. are still bearing name of Allahabad is not relevant to the article of city in Wikipedia to decide the name of article. RohitSaxena (talk) 11:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. It's still popularly known as Allahabad and that is what matters Abo Yemen✉ 12:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

That's incorrect. Allahabad was an old name. Since it was historically called so, Google Ngram would obviously list it as more common in the time period before 'Prayagraj' came into limelight. The city falls within the territory of the sovereign Republic of India, whose government has renamed it to 'Prayagraj'. All official documents of the city's residents and of Indian government list it as 'Prayagraj' and not 'Allahabad'. The latter is, hence, an outdated name which shouldn't be listed on Wikipedia as well, considering that we already have latest information in that regard. I don't think renaming it back to an old name makes much sense other than increasing confusion. ParvatPrakash (talk) 14:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Again, it doesn't matter. The fascist modi govt renamed the city. The new name needs to be the common name for it to be the article's name Abo Yemen✉ 14:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know much about the government there. However, I don't think you're thinking of it neutrally. WP:NAMECHANGES also matters when naming/renaming an article. From what I know, the current government of India does not voluntarily identify itself as 'fascist'. If you're using the word in a more common sense that it denotes dictatorship in popular culture, I don't think you're taking this discussion up neutrally. I request you to think of it neutrally. ParvatPrakash (talk) 15:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Per WP:COMMONNAME like Turkiye it changed it's name from Turkey but Wikipedia didn't changed it. Therealbey (talk) 18:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I mentioned the citation of institutions like High Court and University, which is irrelevant to the city name and I cited the reason, why it is irrelevant. IIT Bombay, IIT Madras are other examples as the city names have changed to Mumbai and Chennai long ago so the wiki pages but these institutions still have Bombay and Madras in their names.

Now I come to renaming this page back to Allahabad, this is also irrelevant, as long and detailed discussions have already happened to come to an agreement to change the name of this article to current name.

Here a specific person's agenda or opinion doesn't matter, the name change of this article was done on the basis of data and facts, you better go through those discussions. Here your opinion or my opinion, it doesn't matter, what matters here is the facts and that has already been discussed in details. RohitSaxena (talk) 17:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

The previous RM was moved unduly. Data presented by @Toddy1 showed that Allahabad was the common name. The usage of wikipedia's viewcounter to compare the views from a redirect and an article was a dumb thing to use as data and I'm surprised that the closer let that slide Abo Yemen✉ 18:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Prayagraj is seventh population district in uttar pradesh

No it was most populous district in uttar Pradesh as census of 2011 Anshsrivastava2009 (talk) 07:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

But this article is on the city of Allahabad. It is not about Allahabad district.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 9 January 2025

Prayagraj → Allahabad – WP:COMMONNAME per Google Ngram Abo Yemen✉ 12:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Pinging editors who participated above: @Therealbey @Yakamoz51 @Toddy1 @25 Cents FC @Tagooty @RohitSaxena Abo Yemen✉ 12:46, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

No rename is my opinion. Whoever wants to contribute to and support a biased opinion can, but I won't. ParvatPrakash (talk) 17:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Before we start a discussion again, I would suggest everyone to go through the earlier archived discussions where plenty of data was provided in support of Prayagraj being more commonly used. In the google search one need to exclude Allahabad High Court, Allahabad University, University of Allahabad, IIIT-Allahabad, Allahabad Safeda etc. to name a few, as these do bear the name Allahabad, but these names do not correspond to the city. There are many such other exclusions to be considered and all such analysis was already done and basis the result a consensus was reached to rename this article to Prayagraj. Having another discussion to rename it back to Allahabad is irrelevant, when the more common usage for city name has become Prayagraj and it is impossible to reverse the trend unless the city's name itself gets changed back to Allahabad. In my opinion the discussion is already closed and no point in discussing it again.RohitSaxena (talk) 18:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I think WP:NAMECHANGES should also be considered before renaming it, considering that India's government has officially renamed it to 'Prayagraj' and that it is fairly common now. New literature after the name change should be taken into consideration. Some examples of scholarly works that use 'Prayagraj' over the old name: -

1. Transformation of Fast Food Culture in Rural Adolescents: Evidence from a study in Prayagraj, Uttar Pradesh.

2. Predicting Prayagraj's Urbanization Trajectory using CA-ANN Modelling: Population Pressures and Land Use Dynamics.

3. Evaluation of Triple Drug Administration for Lymphatic Filariasis in Prayagraj District, Uttar Pradesh, India: A Cross-sectional Study.

4. Comparative Study of Pattern of Unnatural Death Cases During Pre-COVID and COVID-19 Pandemic Period at Prayagraj (U.P.), India.

5. Groundwater potential mapping in Trans Yamuna Region, Prayagraj, using combination of geospatial technologies and AHP method.

There's many more I found.

A personal note: On my visit to India, I've heard locals use the new name more though. ParvatPrakash (talk) 14:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Post-scriptume user who requested the move might not be entirely neutral with the subject in discussion, given that they called India's current government's move to rename the city to 'Prayagraj' as "fascist". ParvatPrakash (talk) 15:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Sources calling the government facist: [1] [2] [3] [4] and many others Abo Yemen✉ 15:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

None of the given sources say that renaming the city to 'Prayagraj' was a 'fascist' move. Neither are such mass-media sources reliable enough to be stated here. It seems like you have a conflict of interest with this topic. I urge you to declare the same, if you do have any. ParvatPrakash (talk) 16:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

WP:NAMECHANGES:
When this occurs, we give extra weight to independent, reliable, English-language sources ("reliable sources" for short) written after the name change.
As seen in the Ngrams above, Allahabad was still being used more than "Prayagraj" even tho some sources started adopting the new name Abo Yemen✉ 15:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Still not the same. Several sources in English mention 'Prayagraj'. It is not a black/white decision and there's grey here. Pushing a POV by calling their government 'fascist' kinda proves that you are not neutral and have a conflict of interest with the subject. It's the name of a place and when it has been changed by the nation's government, I don't think it is contentious enough to discuss if or not the new name should be used.ParvatPrakash (talk) 16:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Several sources in English mention 'Prayagraj'.
Not as much as the ones using Allahabad.
Pushing a POV by calling their government 'fascist' kinda proves that you are not neutral and have a conflict of interest with the subject.
Just because I have a bias against a government doesn't mean I have a conflict of interest with the subject. The rm is based on a Wikipedia policy (WP:COMMONNAME) with proof (the Google Ngram). Trying to bring up my political opinions to this rm is irrelevant and is not constructive
It's the name of a place and when it has been changed by the nation's government, I don't think it is contentious enough to discuss if or not the new name should be used.
On Wikipedia, we don't care about what is official and what is not; We follow what is de facto. "Allahabad" is the common name of the article and it is what we are supposed to use Abo Yemen✉ 16:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Then the same goes with Turkiye or Chattogram. Therealbey (talk) 19:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Support Per WP:COMMONNAMES like Turkiye or Chattogram. Therealbey (talk) 19:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)