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I have replied to your message on my talk page. Canterbury Tail talk 23:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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Insert non-formatted text here== Cameron Clearances references ==

That's great an expert on the subject.

I am creating an article which will be called the Highland Fencible Corps at the moment it is under development in my sandbox#Highland Fencible Corps. It is a cut and past job from Browne, James (1854), History of the Highlands and of the Highland clans: with an extensive selection from the hitherto inedited Stuart papers, A. Fullarton and Co., pp. 368–384. If some notation is provided in the article to explain it is copy, this is permitted for copyright expired text under Wikipeia's WP:PLAGIARISM guideline. In Wikifying the text I am trying to link to appropriate pages of the various men and women mentioned in the text. Hence my visit to Clan Cameron#Highland Clearances.

To answer your question please have a look at Mary Abercromby, 1st Baroness Abercromby before and after my recent visit. Darryl Lundy website www.peerage.com is not a reliable source, BUT he usually cites reliable sources, and Wikipedia has a rule under WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT to deal with situations like that -- situations were one is citing a reliable source one has not read in a sem-reliable source. Obviously if the unreliable source is one line out of context in chat room forum then it would not be adequate, but a site such as yours, while not defined as reliable from a Wikipedia point of view, is dedicated enough to a specific subject that I think it is reliable enough to be cited providing it is a citation backed up with citations to a reliable source (as is Lundy). I suggest you have a look at the citations in the Mary Abercromby, 1st Baroness Abercromby article, as seeing it is easier than understanding a poorly written description like mine. -- PBS (talk) 00:50, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

See my comment at Talk:English Civil War/Archive 3#White Plant. I suggest that you leave the citation in place until it is replaced with more "reliable" one. At that point you can move it down into "Further reading" or external links. -- PBS (talk) 09:45, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

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Einöllen

I'm afraid Einöllen is quite a small place, even today. So it's lucky even to have produced one famous person, even if "infamous" would be a better word for Hermann Gauch. It's also such a small place that only one building has been deemed worthy of monumental protection, namely the little church, believed to date from 1430. Anyway, I'm glad that my article about this little place has actually been useful to someone. Were your ancestors Wandermusikanten? Many musicians from the area fanned out all over the world beginning in the early to mid 19th century. Generally, they spent some time abroad earning money and then came back home, before shipping out again...and again, and again... But some stayed abroad. I hope you have fun in Germany. Trier, said to be Germany's oldest town, is no more than an hour's drive from Einöllen, as are a number of other places, but I can recommend Trier, having been there, especially if you are interested in Roman sites. The town has several prominent ones, including a Roman bridge across the Moselle that is still used as part of the public road network. Trier was also once the seat of an Electoral state in the Holy Roman Empire, and so it has a very old cathedral and an Elector's palace. Take care, and do bear in mind that it will be autumn, not spring. ;-) Kelisi (talk) 16:16, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Actually no, I have no connection with the area. I'm simply a Germanophile. I don't think I can fault a man for deserting the army at that time. There was a lot of political upheaval back then. Many people left the German states after the Revolutions of 1848 came to naught. I don't see why you shouldn't write to the mayors. I've written to politicians and even clergymen in the region asking this, that or the other thing about their villages. Let's see................ There seems to be a bit of confusion over who's in charge in Einöllen. One page on their website implies that it's Helmut Klein, reachable at "helmut.klein@einoellen.de", while another says that Siegfried Berndt is the acting mayor and that Helmut Klein has resigned his position as mayor. There is only a telephone number (06304 - 5276) for Berndt. As for Oberweiler-Tiefenbach, the mayor is Günter Schwambach, and there's no email address for him, either, again only a telephone number (06304/1050). I see what you mean. I think you'll have to contact the Verbandsgemeinde at "info@vg-wolfstein.de". Both Einöllen and Oberweiler-Tiefenbach are in that Verbandsgemeinde. Kelisi (talk) 01:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hi there, I saw your edit to the above asking if creating a red link is the best way to create a new article called Highland and Island Emigration Society. The answer is maybe :) Why? because that article is not going to be read by zillions of people and it's highly unlikely that one of them will suddenly feel the inspiration to create the new article. Alternatively you can do one of two things, post a request at Wikipedia requested articles as per the instructions, or, an option that will prove much more satisfying, write it yourself! There are a few rules that you need to be aware of or the page will get deleted straight away. First off, a new article has to be WP:NOTABLE, which means in a nutshell that it deserves a place in this fine encyclopedia. From a quick search of Google Books it is, so you've already passed the first hurdle. If you want to go ahead then I'm happy to help you. You can leave a message here or on my talk page to contact me. I hope you decide to take the plunge and write the article, Best ► Philg88 ◄ ^talk 07:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I will have a go but it might take a while! One thought I had would be that it would be useful to conclude the article with a section containing links to histories of individuals who left Scotland with the assistance of Highland and Island Emigration Society. The hope would be that others might contribute their stories - but not in Wikipedia itself, which I know would not be appropriate, but just as external links. Would that fit under Wikipedia's guidelines? I know of some such histories - a lot of research has been done on a number of families who left from the Coigach area. I think it would be useful and interesting to gather those stories together somewhere Camerojo (talk) 11:50, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Highland Clearances: Roman Catholicism: Reading

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia, so forgive me if I'm going about this wrong place or way. I was browsing and happened to come across the discussion in Highland Clearances on Roman Catholicism: Reading, where you requested to see p. 111 of "Toiling in the Vale of Tears: Everyday life and Resistance in South Uist, Outer Hebrides, 1760-1860". International Journal of Historical Archaeology. June 1999. JSTOR 20852924. I have access and looking at the debate I believe the relevant paragraph is:

"In 1846 there was a catastrophic failure of the potato crop, upon which the mass of the islanders depended. The ensuing five-year famine has been widely documented (Devine, 1988). All I wish to draw out here is the relationship between the famine and large scale emigration, as the lowlander Colonel Gordon of Cluny,who had bought the island from the impoverished Clanranald in 1838, looked to rid himself of the burden of a starving population. The result was a massive exodus from South Uist in the 1850s, mostly to Nova Scotia. The population of the island fell from more than c. 7,500 in 1851 to c. 5,000 in 1860. Emigration had been a feature of life on South Uist from at least the second half of the eighteenth century. In 1772, over a hundred Roman Catholics left the Clanranald estate for Prince Edward Island led by their factor, John MacDonald of Glenaladale, after persecution from their Protestant laird Colin MacDonald of Boisdale (Adams and Somerville, 1993, p. 64). This phase of emigration, and the trickle of willing departures that followed, was dwarfed by the famine clearances of the 1850s, however."

I hope that this helps.Therizinosaurian (talk) 00:35, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks. I would be interested in your view on the debate. Camerojo (talk) 20:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Having read the debate in full, I tend to agree with the majority. It may be possible that anti-catholic motives were involved but that they were not the primary motivation and the sources (not that I've read any other than the one above) agree with this view. Therizinosaurian (talk) 00:08, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

It has been an interesting experience being involved in this dispute resolution process (first time for me). I guess it is at the heart of how Wikipedia works. We have not finished yet - the article still contains what we and the majority consider to be unverifiable claims. It will be interesting to see what happens when they are finally removed. Hopefully the IP editor in question will accept the majority decision. I think that the process has been a valuable one - not just for the benefit of the article itself - but also for all concerned. It has certainly improved my knowledge and understanding of the Clearances. Thanks again for taking the trouble to send me the reference. Camerojo (talk) 21:12, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks. My first Barnstar! Particularly pleased to receive it from one of my comrades in arms from the Highland Clearances page. I learned a lot about Wikipedia from you. The article was hard work but I enjoyed doing it. If nothing else, I hope it provides a pretty complete set of references to HIES which will help others who want to dig further. Camerojo (talk) 03:39, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

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Highland Clearances

I note you have just amended the reference for the description by Donald Macleod of the June 1814 clearance of Strathnaver. May I draw your attention to my remarks on the talk page about doubts over the reliability of this account?

ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 22:58, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi! Yes - it was your remarks that drew my attention to the weakness of that reference. I will add a comment on the main talk page but I tend to agree with Matt Lunker's remarks. Nevertheless, your interest in this page is most welcome and I hope that it will continue.Camerojo (talk) 03:13, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Matt Lunker seems to be the champion of all resistance to the ideas I have put forward. Frustratingly, he does not appear to have any of the modern good quality books on the subject. However, I think I have now assembled a good set of reasons as to why this passage from Macleod is not suitable for the "mainstream historic account" part of this article. In fact, every time I look at the subject I find a further reason to doubt his veracity. On searching for "witch" in the source you have just added to the article, the story about Sellar allegedly saying "let the old witch burn" appears 3 times. Once Macleod attributes it to someone else, and the other times he claims he witnessed it himself. A good defense lawyer would tear him apart if this came up in court!!

May I encourage you to take a look at the embarassingly lengthy discussion on the article talk page?

Macleod's account is, however, a good example of the development of the folklore/ urban myths / misunderstandings of the history of the clearances. (But, of course, the simple truth is a stark enough story to need no embellishment.)

ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 00:09, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

I have been following the discussion, as I am sure that others have. As an eye witness to the events in question, I think it is reasonable to quote Mcleod. Perhaps it could move the discussion along if you suggested a specific change that you would like to make. Camerojo (talk) 11:25, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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