User talk:Obtund/Archive 3 August 2012

Do not edit here, edit on my current talk page.

WP:GAN

Just so you know, there is rarely a reason for anyone to edit the Wikipedia Good Article Nomination page. There's a bot that redoes the page every ten minutes after checking the various article talk pages to see whether anything has happened: new nomination, new review, change to on hold, fail, approve, etc. Even errors and corrections are caught. If the change doesn't happen in ten, it'll come through within twenty.

I've seen you edit the page sometimes, and it's almost never necessary. If a fix is needed, it's usually to the GA nominee template on the article's talk page, because the information there will overwrite any changes to the GAN page. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:38, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, I noticed it said it was updated by a bot, but I wait like five minutes so I thought we had to do something ourselves. Thanks! Obtund^Talk 01:40, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I recently edited it because the bot wasn't getting that an IP tried looking at it and promoting it and it screwed it up. Obtund^Talk 01:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

It still wouldn't have been necessary. As long as you change the talk page GA nominee template, which you need to do so the GA1 review is skipped over, the bot will do the right thing. Incidentally, when you changed the page from 1 to 2, you left "onreview" still set; I've just removed that "onreview", and the GAN page should heal itself shortly of the "Example" review, which it puts in when there's "onreview" but no matching GA talk page. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, it just really annoyed me that the IP did that. Obtund^Talk 02:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. We've had that happen more than once, with people nominating or reviewing because they "like" an article. It takes a bit of work, but they all get straightened out eventually, once someone points out the problem. And yes, it is annoying. Sometimes the person learns, sometimes they don't. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Many thanks for my Editor's Barnstar,[1] not only for noticing, but taking the time to acknowledge the contributions. --Iantresman (talk) 08:01, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

And thank you again, I've just noticed that you have taken on the Elementary Algebra GA review process. Whatever the outcome, work is taking me away from Wikipedia for a week from tomorrow, so please don't take my absence as ignoring any helpful suggestions you may have. --Iantresman (talk) 08:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

After I am done reviewing it, I will put it on a two week hold instead of a one week hold. Obtund^Talk 14:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Eurobank notes/ GA1

Why do you think it should be deleted? It's a part of the talk page history. There's no motivation to delete it, either. Deletion, especially speedy deletion, needs a reason. WilyD 14:12, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Reason is some IP just made it a second opinion and I can't be used now. Obtund^Talk

Legend of Korra

Evening Obtund,

After noticing that you'd recently placed a rename media tag on File:Avatar-legend-of-korra.png, I wonder if you could explain why your suggestion: 'Korra Test Photo', is an improvement? Since WP:FMR #2.1. indicates that file movers should avoid minor improvements to valid filenames, I'm tempted to leave File:Avatar-legend-of-korra.png unless there's another rationale. Another issue is that the image in question isn't actually a photograph, but concept artwork or a still. Cheers, Meph^talk 18:39, 3 August 2012 (UTC).

If I may, I would suggest that the title File:The Legend of Korra concept.png is at least consistent with the earlier logo (File:The Legend of Korra logo.png) in the article. Good luck with your future requests for permission! Best, Meph^talk 18:50, 3 August 2012 (UTC).

Instructor

Hello, Obtund, my name is Riley Huntley and I will be your instructor. As an instructor, I have a certain requirement of policies, methods and programs to teach you but before we get started on that I have a few questions.

1. Which of the following tool(s) would you like to be trained in: STiki, or Twinkle?
2. How would you like to communicate? Through IRC or talk pages?
3. What are you most interested in learning?

I hope to hear from you soon! Note: I am taking the boat out today so you might not get a reply until tonight, very sorry. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 20:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You already have an instructor. See the status page if you have forgotten. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 20:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

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File

Hello Obtund: I do not have Wiki level to rename offending file CCVsSvAvW Ex Libris etc.jpg on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.C._van_Asch_van_Wijck . A workable rename would be C.C. van Asch van Wijck ex libris.

Van Aldenhaag (talk) 02:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Updated thanks! Obtund^Talk 02:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Rollback

Hello, I thought I would continue our discussion here rather than at the enroll page. I was reviewing your contributions from the past week and notice you've had a small presence with removing vandalism. Are you aware of Special:Tags? It is a list of possible vandalism, promotion, etc. edits tagged by the edit filter. Several of the categories such as "references removed" are inactive, but several of the others such as "possible libel or vandalism" are more active. Cheers! SwisterTwister talk 20:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Pabu, Naga, & Tarrlok The Legend of Korra.png)

Thanks for uploading File:Pabu, Naga, & Tarrlok The Legend of Korra.png. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Hazard-Bot (talk) 04:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Verifiability

Regarding our edit here can I ask you to readWikipedia:Verifiability, I draw your attention to WP:SOURCES and I quote "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Source material must have been published (made available to the public in some form);" and fromWP:SOURCEACCESS "The principle of verifiability implies nothing about ease of access to sources." There are subjects that have no reliable on-line sources. Edgepedia (talk) 05:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for your kindness!!

Ponies89 Rule (talk) 13:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk page comments

Hi Obtund. I know you mean well, but please check talk page archives before making comments like this. Please also read WP:BITE. As a new user yourself with still a lot of experience to gain, you might appreciate it. That said, thank you for addressing some of the issues with your own user pages. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:50, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I didn't know if the guy was a new comer or not, his signature was not complying to the signature rules. Also mind explaining the rejection of my file mover request? Obtund^Talk 02:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

You can easily find out if editors are new comers by checking on their talk page archives, editing history, and contributions - we have lots of different tools for that. If you had checked, you would have seen that he has already had two requests to remove the image. As regards your persistent requests for user rights, you have been provided with an explanation. User rights are not generally handed out to new users. (you only have a total of 262 main space edits). There's a lot of work to do on this encyclopedia's articles and there is a lot you can do to help without needing any tools yet. It would be great if you would stick around.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:22, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

But file mover deals with moving files not main space. Obtund^Talk 03:34, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Working in main space leads to an accumulation of good knowledge of policies for other areas, and demonstrates solid experience. At least four of the files you uploaded yourself have been deleted. Based on that, I do not consider that you have sufficient knowledge of file policy to be given the tool at this time, but please consider doing some work in areas where you don't need any tools - there's a lot to be done. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

File mover deals with WP:FMV and I know that and that is what it is based off of. Not how many you have uploaded. Btw he isn't a newbie, he has had his account for almost a year! So WP:BITE doesn't apply!Obtund^Talk 16:36, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:BITE always applies. Being around for almost a year does not demonstrate experience and a knowledge of policies and guidelines. A user who has made so few edits, even over 10 years, is still a 'new' user and like any user should be addressed in friendly terms. You are also a new user - please consider getting more experience yourself because you've uploaded files that have been deleted and your persistent requests for user rights are beginning to look like hat-collecting. If you would like to help out in meta areas, I do suggest you do some counter-vandalism, but you won't be needing a user right for that either just yet. And remember that if you ever need any advice with anything, you can always ask me on my talk page - a quick look there will show that I'm actually quite good (and nice) at providing it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Mezzanine Floors

Hello Obtund

I felt there was something missing from the topic on mezzanine floors so I thought I would start off with a new image showing a current modern/generic design of mezzanine floors in the UK market(the image is one I took and I hold the rights to) as well the current images are small it seemed a larger image would show more to a user of Wiki.

I also feel the page lacks in technical details which relate to the uk industry regulations on construction, however after having the things I contributed to removed it seemed like my input is not considered valuable, any way I'm sure I'm chatting away the main bit is I have 13 years in this industry and would like to share my expertise and knowledge

If you can help with that I would be at your disposal.

Robert Plant — Preceding unsigned comment added by Normalisaverage (talk • contribs) 12:28, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Signature

Hello Obtund!

This is a message in reply to your message on my talk page.

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Thank you for being concerned about the size of my signature, it was greatly appreciated of you to let me know. Unfortunately, I had already been contacted regarding this issue and had changed it for the best benefit of my fellow Wikipedians and myself. I appreciate your concern and keep up the good work :).

Kindest regards,

--^CH^RI^S4315 18:34, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry

I just want to apologize for my thoughtless and childish behaviour I displayed while editing on the Galaxy S III article. I should have shown much more respect towards your edits, instead of engaging in an edit war with my GAN reviewer. In retrospect we should have discussed our differences on the article's talk, and I hope that will be the case for the future. I want to elevate the article to FA status as quickly as possible, and alienating somebody like you would be undesirable to that cause. Peace *File:Kerr.jpg* --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 03:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

No worries we had no issues be were just trying to get this article to GA for you, but btw you should take that image out of your signature before you get in trouble. Best works! Obtund^Talk 03:44, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Hehe, no it's not my signature, just something I added for the apology. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 05:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Some answers and comments. Also, why are you considering retirement? —ΛΧΣ21™ 03:57, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

File mover

Hi Obtund, Just thought I would clarify why the admins are stressing over the deleted files uploaded by you. the reason is, while handling file move requests, often you will come accross problematic files that ought to be deleted rather than moved, I have myself nominated several files for deletion when a request was made for file move. Also this right will not be helpful in any way other than what can be achieved using {{rename media}}. So I will suggest you to get some more experience and show that you have learnt from your past mistakes. I think the admins will then consider your RFP/F if you take sufficient gap and contribute more in the file namespace, cheers--DBigXray 17:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Obtund, please refrain from your persistent requests and comments at WP:PERM now. Please get significantly more experience on Wikipedia before asking for rights and questioning admin decisions. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:25, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Obtund, Your comments are no longer appropriate, and you may well find that repeated requests in as little as one month may meet with the same response. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

WT:SPICLERK

Hello Obtund. I have undone your recent change to the above page because, as you can see from the page history, you added your name to the list about four hours after MJ94, so that is why you are listed after them rather than MacMed. I wonder, however, why you're requesting to be a trainee clerk if you are considering retirement. Becoming a full SPI clerk takes several months of active experience, so it's not a position to be considered lightly. Regards ​—DoRD (talk)​ 19:28, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

im not retired yet, but still I put my name there first as you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Sockpuppet_investigations/SPI/Clerks&oldid=504498183]][[, I put my name there and then you removed me[[2]] I was there first I did not note it on the talkpage, but it never said I had to, please reinstate my correct position on the list. Obtund^Talk 23:02, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Again, please look at the page history I linked above. Your first edit to the page was some four hours after another user added their request to become a clerk. In addition, the location you added your name was not correct, which is why I removed it and added it to the bottom of the page. The list at the top of the page was compiled by SPI clerks from requests added to the bottom of the page and it really shouldn't be edited by potential trainees. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 23:13, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

While we're discussing this, perhaps you would care to visit WT:SPICLERK#Another to introduce yourself and tell us why you would like to become a clerk as other volunteers have done. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 23:18, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Ahh I see it he posted on the talkpage before I added my name to the list...ok. You should note to add the request to the bottom of the page. Sure I'll do that right now. Obtund^Talk 23:19, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Obtund, I see that because your applications for user rights have been declined, you are now applying for other offices. With your very low edit count, it's most unlikely that you will be accepted. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:16, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh my god Kudpung, stop stalking my talk page, and anything I do...I requested this acceptance to be trained a while ago in June, so stop stalking, and if you're going to challenge what I do, check before you do it. Obtund^Talk 01:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

You forgot something...

Hello, you might like to add Samsung Galaxy S III at Wikipedia:Good articles/Engineering and technology under "Hardware, standards and protocols". Thanks for your time! You might like to check out the article's FAC, which would be set up immediately. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 07:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done Obtund^Talk 15:16, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I've listed the article for peer review at Wikipedia:Peer review/Samsung Galaxy S III/archive1; if you want check it out, that'll be great! --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 07:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

RPP

Is it necessary to !vote on RPP requests? Do you not trust the abilities of the admins who must make the final decision? →Σσς. 02:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Ehh it's always good to give your input. Obtund^Talk 04:24, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Part of the discussion on WT:RPP was for all non admins to use {{nao}} and to give reasons why they either agree or disagree with the request. Given your current expience level I would politely advise you to wait (probably another 5000 edits) before you comment on requests for un/protection. You have shown with your 'vote' on 2024 Summer Olympics that you don't fully understand the policies and guidelines, so I would stronly suggest you give it some time before commenting on them. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll use non admin. Obtund^Talk 14:01, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Make sure you use {{nao}}, you didn't in your note on America's Got Talent (season 7). Using the template helps avoid any confusion from both non-admins and admins when they review the request. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:41, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Great White Shark

Hi. Are you looking for someone else to copy edit Great White Shark? There's no point listing it on the GOCE Requests page if you're going to do it yourself. --Stfg (talk) 08:42, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Well I thought I had to put it don there so it could say it was reviewed by a GOCE member. Obtund^Talk 17:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

To do that, you can place {{GOCE|User=Obtund|date=20 August 2012}} on the article's talk page, which is great because it makes the Guild's contribution visible to other editors. The requests page and its archive are only a housekeeping mechanism to match requesters with copy editors. We don't use them to record all the zillions of copy edits we do, as that would be too cumbersome. Best, --Stfg (talk) 18:15, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

MythBusters 2012: Jawsome Shark Special

You reverted my overhaul of the myths counted down in that episode with the comment, "Like six of yours are incorrect." I had the list formatted to match past countdown-style specials, including both the original titles and the ones given in the countdown, with notes about the myths being tested. I put that list together after recording the episode, watching it start to finish, and checking the past seasons to find out exactly which myths were pulled from which older episode. If you think anything is inaccurate, it's better to edit those spots if you can without reverting the whole section/page. And, to be honest, the list needed some work when I got to it; there were several mis-numbered entries and grammatical errors, and the premiere date was wrong (it first aired in the US on Monday, August 13 - I stumbled across it while changing channels that night).Dr. Slide (talk) 14:22, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Are you IP 24.74.114.67? If so ok I have reverted it and put it back to yours. By the way use your account not your IP. Obtund^Talk 22:49, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:GA banner

Template:GA banner has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Imzadi 1979 → 23:03, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Imzadi 1971

You know, humiliating others doesn't really help winning an argument. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 23:32, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I really don't care, what he did was so out of line. Obtund^Talk 23:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

As you wish. I just wanted to warn you about consequences. Sorry for interruption. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 23:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

That wasn't a personal attack. Obtund^Talk 00:03, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

More about the GOCE requests page

Hi again. Please don't trouble to record each coming and going. The fact that the requester has found a copy editor, indicated by your {{working}} marker, is enough until you complete it and mark it {{done}}. We don't monitor your intermediate steps. Regards, --Stfg (talk) 20:45, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

I know but I had to go somewhere and I didn't want to pause abruptly like that. Obtund^Talk 21:03, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure, but we don't need to know that. We all know that many jobs are done in more than one session, even sometimes over a number of days. Also, please note the instructions for copy editors (four bullets just above the contents list) on the Requests page. Booking an article you aren't immediately going to work on may cause it to be held up when another editor was ready to work on it. I've removed your note on one request saying you'd work on it when it's 10 from the top, and also the Working tags on the requests for First Great Western and Project X (2012 film) to avoid this risk. You're welcome to re-tag whichever you want when you start on it. --Stfg (talk) 13:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Project X

Thank you for taking this task on. I wanted to make a note. There is a section called Legacy there. I started that because some large copy cat parties turned up and caused a lot of damage but people have taken the opportunity to add just anything, even failed parties or things labeled by others as inspired by the film. Others take it as an opportunity to advertise their own parties. I've tried but I'm not sure how to tackle it and potentially boil it down to a much more top-down coverage of the initial large parties that actually took place. So if you can think of a way, feel free to gut a lot of it, especially the latter paragraph which as I read it seems to be about a completely failed party and therefore, to me at least, doesn't seem notable.

Thanks again for taking the time to do this. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:21, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it toward the end of the review. Also if people are vandalizing it request that it be protected. Obtund^Talk 04:32, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

CVUA

Unfortunately, I have chosen to discontinue my participation with CVUA. You are free to choose another adopter at the list of instructors. Cheers! SwisterTwister talk 05:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

100 euro note

For keeping it at GA standards, here's a hershey bar! – Plarem ^{(User talk)} 12:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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CVUA

Hi! I'm Vertium (Steve in real life) and I understand your previous CVUA instructor has become unavailable. If you can bring me up to speed with what steps you've taken thus far along the path, I'm happy to get you through the rest of the process. I tend to set up a central page where we can have ongoing dialogue away from our talk pages, and focus exclusively on fighting vandalism. I'll set that up once I hear back from you and we can move the conversation there. Looking forward to hearing from you. All the best. Vertium ^{When all is said} _{and done} 17:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

My old instructor SwisterTwister thought me nothing. He just said I am you instructor what would you like to do, and I said fight vandals and achieve rollback. But nothing ever happened. Obtund^Talk 18:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay - when you're ready to begin, just indicate so on your CVUA page. Vertium ^{When all is said} _{and done} 18:34, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

AGT

Please do not re-add the buzzes/judges' choice column in the Wild Card elim table. It's unnecessary because there were no buzzes, and having one table just for three checks is not needed (it's a waste of valuable space). Just a note saying which judge voted for which act should be good.Gamer9832 (talk) 03:08, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

If you really believe that than fine. Obtund^Talk

Talkback

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Same goes for Talk:10 euro note/GA2, Talk:20 euro note/GA2, Talk:50 euro note/GA2, Talk:200 euro note/GA2 and Talk:500 euro note/GA2. – Plarem ^{(User talk)} 12:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Megalodon convert issues

Please specify any convert issues that you believe remain in Megalodon. Thanks, WolfmanSF (talk) 14:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

A pie!

Plarem has given you a fresh pie! Pies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a fresh pie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appétit!†

For your work reviewing the euro notes. Maybe a review on Euro banknotes? – Plarem ^{(User talk)} 11:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for that. Gong to use a different WikiLove. – Plarem ^{(User talk)} 11:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll see if I have time, currently I am reassessing some articles reviewing one and copyediting, I'll try to get to that as soon as I can. Obtund^Talk 17:44, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Legend of Korra GA review:

See this page: Talk:The_Legend_of_Korra/GA1#Discussion. 71.142.234.34 (talk) 23:23, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I did not forget to fail the article, the edits were being taken care of, and there were some issues to be discussed. Obtund^Talk 23:41, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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— Parent5446 ☯ ^{(msg email)} 03:23, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

San Diego

Hello! I see that you just initiated a GA2 review of San Diego. I'm puzzled what this means, or why the review was initiated. Did someone request it? Did you find problems with it? Is this a routine re-evaluation? There are three or four of us that watch that page closely and worked hard on its GA1 assessment, but for many of us it was our only experience with GA and we are not familiar with re-assessments. Could you possibly post a note on the article's talk page and explain what this reassessment means? Thanks so much! --MelanieN (talk) 04:45, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Reassessments are a routine thing, they happen from as short as 9 months from the review until whenever, but we try to do it within 4 years of the last review. I will give more information on the talk page. Obtund^Talk 04:56, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

GOCE (and mentoring)

Hi Obtund. Thank you for your interest in the GOCE and for your offer to help out with mentoring. As I didn't know you previously, before accepting the offer I took a look at your copy edit of Thomas Hinde, and I think it would be useful, if you don't mind, if I could give you a few suggestions. Please don't be alarmed by this -- 18 months ago I knew almost nothing of what I'll list for you. I'm going to decline your offer to serve as a mentor for the time being, but this does not reflect on what may happen in the future. So:

• In Thomas Hinde, some WP:MOS issues came up that you didn't catch. WP:OVERLINK advises us not to link to well-known countries and not to duplicate links too much. (By the way User:Ucucha/duplinks is an excellent tool that detects undesirable duplicate links without giving false positives like links in lists and tables. I use it for every major copy edit I do, and it seems to incur almost no processing or memory costs.) MOS:QUOTE asks us to avoid decorative presentations of block quotations and MOS:LQ tells us to use "logical quotation" as the puctuation rule. It's seldom right to put terminal punctuation inside the quation mark unless what is quoted is at least a whole sentence, because terminal punctuation is there to terminate the whole sentence. The Hinde article fell foul of that more often than not. Finally, WP:LASTNAME limits how we use honorific prefixes to people's names. The Hinde article heavily over-used "Dr."
• In expressions like "London, England" or "San Diego, California", the second name must be followed by punctuation. For example "He went to London, England, to study". The second place-name is regarded as parenthetical.
• Likewise, with MDY dates, we need puctuation after the year, thus: "On April 1, 1970, the Mona Lisa was stolen." (Commas aren't used when the year immediately follows the name of the month: "July 1976 was a very hot month.")
• Commas are very difficult. They stump me very often, and even Dianna once memorably wrote on her talk page, "I hates commas". But there are some basics you need to pick up. The Wikipedia article, Comma, is pretty good, actually. A really fine treatment is in the NASA handbook for technical writers and editors, a brilliant document overall, if you're interested in that kind of thing.
• There are two kinds of construction that I think you should allow more of. One is the adjectival use of participial phrases, as in "Professor Smith, considered by his colleagues to be a leading authority on ...". The other is the use of a noun phrase in apposition, as in "Hinde married Mary Todd Hubbard, the daughter of Benjamin Hubbard, an English merchant, ...". I've noticed that you frequestly insert "who is/was" into such constructions, and that you tell others to do so in your GA reviews. That's a pity, as these constructions often make for good, flowing writing.

That's all. I hope you'll find this helpful, as it's certainly intended to be. If you want to take me up on any of it, or to disagree with any of my re-edit of Thomas Hinde, please do. Kind regards, --Stfg (talk) 14:40, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

What you did is fine, I was probably in a rush, thanks for catching me. Obtund^Talk 14:55, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 15:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Windows 7

Thanks for the offer at my talk page. I don't really need help right now, but, if I do, I'll let you know. Thanks again. TBrandley 16:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Alright! Obtund^Talk 17:27, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Jackie Evancho

Hi. I am the principal contributor to this article. I just noticed that someone nominated it for GA, and it looks like you are the reviewer. Before you post your review, would you kindly give me a heads' up on any major issues? I think the article is in pretty good shape, but with so many web links, dead links need to be updated continuously. The main issue for this article going forward, I think, is that Evancho's career is moving fast [continuing], and so new material (mostly about new performances and recordings) keeps being added; this means that eventually we will need to move more of the detail to subarticles. But I think that, currently, the level of detail in the main article is OK. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:44, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Well if new information keeps coming up it is unstable. Obtund^Talk 12:25, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Evancho's article is no different from any bio article about a busy recording artist. Evancho's article will expand normally as she continues to perform and record. I don't consider this article unstable at all. I was just asking for a heads' up on any major comments you might have before you give your full review on the GA page, but only as a courtesy. I'm a little confused by the speedy delete tag - are you saying that you don't have time to review this GA? -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:13, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Well that was partaly a reason...but mostly because I will not have time to review it. But since you commented on the review page. The page can't be deleted from authors request because another editor has edited it. Someone else will review the page, I just don't have time, I hope you understand. I have changed the review page number to GA2 and another GA bot will figure it out and update the system. Obtund^Talk 16:19, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

OK. Sorry you changed your mind about reviewing the article. I hope it wasn't because of something I said? Would you kindly remove your name from the Wikipedia:Good article nominations page so that another reviewer can see that it needs review? Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

As I said I updated the page number, and GA bot will have to put it into the system, this may take up to 15 minutes. It wasn't anything you said. It's just I've been very busy lately and am running out of time for things I need to do. Best works, Obtund^Talk 16:30, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Obtund, welcome to being an instructor, since you were a student you will probably be aware of a lot of things, but in a sense you will need to relearn some things. Make sure you have a read through WP:CVUA/IM as well as the various talk pages an archives. Make sure you keep a close eye on WP:CVUA/E so you can claim your students. If you want some WP:CVUA/R has some good resources which you can (or not) use as you teach. As you are no doubt aware, we are all quite friendly so feel free to ask for advice or help anytime. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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Mary Wittenberg

I was surprised that you chose to remove verifiable data that was added to Mary Wittenberg's profile. For example, the NYRR hosts an online database of all runners who have completed the New York City Marathon. It confirms that Mary never ran the race, which is a relevant for multiple reasons, including the fact that her experience with the race is solely in the role of an organizer, not a participant. (The fact that Fred LeBow, the founder of NYRR, ran the race three times was always apparent in the decisions that he made about its management and future.) Mary's lack of race experience in New York is clearly part of HER perspective on its management and future.

In addition, the information about Mary's salary is highly relevant, particularly in the context of a section that highlights how she took a pay cut to come to work at NYRR. In addition, her compensation is available and confirmable on websites that track this information from non-profit organizations. Also, compensation features prominently on many other Wikipedia pages for other executives. For example, the page for Jamie Dimon states specifically: "He received a $23 million pay package for fiscal year 2011, more than any other bank CEO in the United States." If you need references for these types of facts, they can certainly be added to the page.

Lastly, complaints about Mary Wittenberg among members of NYRR have been widely documented in many fora. Your comment that my additions to Mary's page did not add anything meaningful would only be true if you were focused solely on painting a one-sided picture of the woman. Biographical data can and should include both what a person has done and hasn't done. (For example, how many Wikipedia pages note that a person did not finish college or high school?) As mentioned above, compensation is a common topic on many Wikipedia pages. Perhaps you could clarify your objections to the inclusion of verifiable facts in a manner that is more clear....

DkhNYC (talk) 19:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Well when I see a edit like this, "However, Mary has NEVER run the ING New York City Marathon!" I see that as a good faith edit. 1. it has no sources backing it up, 2. has an exclamation and never is capitalized. This shows me that the editor did not know the policies of Wikipedia. If you source it and write it appropriately editors won't remove it. It may be true, but there was no source. On all the other information you added, it was great info, but it wasn't sourced and it had to be removed. Once again, it may have been true, but there was no source. Thanks for the inquire, Obtund^Talk 21:35, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Your user page

Whoa! Could my account have been hacked? I did not intend to make that edit (I did have some trouble with my internet connection today, but I don't see how I could have done that by mistake). I certainly apologize for it! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:30, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Ehh...change your password I guess. Obtund^Talk 21:31, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Bismack Biyombo

he is the swat king and the best u have no clue bout basketball — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifesaver59 (talk • contribs) 04:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok I am sorry that you feel that way, but you reverted my edit back[3] and another editor removed you addition again[4]. Then you added it back for a third time[5], and it was removed again for a third time[6]. Obtund^Talk 12:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Henry Higgins - Eponyms

The four species you list were all named for Larry Charles Higgins. The genus Higginsia was named before Henry H. Higgins was born and is generally considered to have been named for Bernardo O'Higgins. I deleted them and substituted the only three species I could find that were actually named for the subject of your page. I checked the original sources for every one of them. You should be careful about copying similar articles from Spanish Wikipedia as the majority of the eponyms listed there are incorrect.--Nomen ambiguum (talk) 05:05, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I am not a contributor to that article, so I know nothing about it nor if it was copied from the Spanish Wikipedia. I reverted your edits because it looked like section blanking and also you were removing some very important information. I have reverted my edits after the information that you had supplied above. Thanks for keeping me up on my toes! Obtund^Talk 12:09, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

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