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Theatre tables
[edit]Hi @Paper9oll I noticed your recent contribution to the theatre section of Chae Soo-bin, I'm not too sure, but I think the inclusion of venues and dates isn't considered WP:NOT. I've had a look at other Wikipedia pages of actors that do theatre and it seems that at minimum, venues are included in tables. Some notable actors I've found with good/featured article status with a theatre section are Denzel Washington, Jonathan Groff, and Cate Blanchett. Again, I'm not too sure, but let me know your thoughts. Thanks. thatonerandomgirl♥【💬】 13:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Thatonerandomgirl Those columns are clearly WP:NOT, as they provide excessive detail that is not essential to the subject's biography. This is analogous to stating that a filmography table should be including a venue column to denote where the series that the subject appeared in was filmed or a date column to denote when exactly the subject appeared in a series. The core information has been included and that is sufficient. For those GA and/or FA examples, read the concept of WP:OTHER however the same analogy should applies. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Paper9oll I just want to preface that it is not my intention to retaliate against you, I just want to seek clarity for future reference on how to approach the inclusion of stage/theatre performances. I'm still not too familiar on the whole breadth of Wikipedia's manual of style and policies, so I'm simply trying to seek advice and knowledge from an experienced editor like yourself. That being said, I wouldn't say that including such detail would be analogous to stating that venues and dates need to be included in a filmography table, since that is clearly WP:NOT. I think I lack a bit of clarity with how good/featured articles include venues for theatre performances at a minimum, which seems to be notable? I think the logic stems from the idea that the venue of a stage performance signifies the scale/commercial significance of the performance (e.g. performing in a broadway theatre vs. a local theatre). And I've read through WP:OTHER and it is my understanding that "While comparing with other articles is not, in general, a convincing argument, comparing with articles that have been through some kind of quality review such as Featured article, Good article, or have achieved a WikiProject A class rating, makes a much more credible case". Or is the case that this is WP:WikiProject Korea so a different WP:MOS applies? Again, I hope I'm not overstepping, I'm just trying to learn, I really appreciate your input! 🙏 thatonerandomgirl♥【💬】 07:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Thatonerandomgirl I appreciate your points, but I still believe that including the venue column would be WP:NOT and WP:EXCESSDETAIL. My earlier analogy with filmography tables was intended to illustrate this point: including the filming location for every film an actor appears in would be considered excessive and unnecessary. You've mentioned that some featured and good articles include venue information. However, I believe that relying solely on these examples, particularly those from Western contexts where the "broadway theatre" distinction may holds significant weight, may not be entirely applicable for South Korean contexts. Regardless, I don't see how such information is considered as essential and important to a Korean BLP article(s). — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Paper9oll Alright, noted. I'll proceed as per advice on Korean BLPs. Thank you for taking the time to clarify things, it's very much appreciated! thatonerandomgirl♥【💬】 08:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Thatonerandomgirl No problem, happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Paper9oll Alright, noted. I'll proceed as per advice on Korean BLPs. Thank you for taking the time to clarify things, it's very much appreciated! thatonerandomgirl♥【💬】 08:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Thatonerandomgirl I appreciate your points, but I still believe that including the venue column would be WP:NOT and WP:EXCESSDETAIL. My earlier analogy with filmography tables was intended to illustrate this point: including the filming location for every film an actor appears in would be considered excessive and unnecessary. You've mentioned that some featured and good articles include venue information. However, I believe that relying solely on these examples, particularly those from Western contexts where the "broadway theatre" distinction may holds significant weight, may not be entirely applicable for South Korean contexts. Regardless, I don't see how such information is considered as essential and important to a Korean BLP article(s). — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Paper9oll I just want to preface that it is not my intention to retaliate against you, I just want to seek clarity for future reference on how to approach the inclusion of stage/theatre performances. I'm still not too familiar on the whole breadth of Wikipedia's manual of style and policies, so I'm simply trying to seek advice and knowledge from an experienced editor like yourself. That being said, I wouldn't say that including such detail would be analogous to stating that venues and dates need to be included in a filmography table, since that is clearly WP:NOT. I think I lack a bit of clarity with how good/featured articles include venues for theatre performances at a minimum, which seems to be notable? I think the logic stems from the idea that the venue of a stage performance signifies the scale/commercial significance of the performance (e.g. performing in a broadway theatre vs. a local theatre). And I've read through WP:OTHER and it is my understanding that "While comparing with other articles is not, in general, a convincing argument, comparing with articles that have been through some kind of quality review such as Featured article, Good article, or have achieved a WikiProject A class rating, makes a much more credible case". Or is the case that this is WP:WikiProject Korea so a different WP:MOS applies? Again, I hope I'm not overstepping, I'm just trying to learn, I really appreciate your input! 🙏 thatonerandomgirl♥【💬】 07:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)