Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrey Bogdanov (boxer)

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The result was delete. Indepth coverage was not established and the WP:BURDEN was not acted upon. Mkdw^talk 05:11, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Andrey Bogdanov (boxer)

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Non-notable boxer does not meet WP:NBOX. I had PROD'd this for the same reason but the de-PRODer disagreed about not meeting WP:NBOX - and of course I disagree with that. Peter Rehse (talk) 17:38, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 17:38, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

• Keep - meets prong #2 of WP:NBOX. Has fought for and won a regional WBO title (Oriental title). Also, for a guy that has only once fought outside of Russia (and that was in Moldova) I found a number of English sources that discuss him: [1], [2], [3], and [4]. Of course a lot of these are not in depth, but considering this level of coverage in English and the meeting of WP:NBOX I think its fair to presume that Russian sources exist. Therefore keep. RonSigPi (talk) 17:58, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

With respect to WP:NBOX #1 applies and he did not fight for the world title of the WBOPeter Rehse (talk) 18:03, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree #1 is not met, but #2 is. Only one of the four need met - failing to not meet another is irrelevant. Otherwise, someone like Manny Pacquiao or Jack Johnson would not meet the guidelines since they didn't have an amateur career that meets #4. RonSigPi (talk) 19:03, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I just don't see how #2 is met.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:05, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:25, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

• Delete Fighting for a vacant minor title is not enough. Title is another questionable one from a boxing organization. Two non-Orientals fighting for the vacant Oriental title seems like an attempt to pad resumes.Mdtemp (talk) 15:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
  • @Mdtemp: "Orient" means the east, ie Asia. And 90 percent of Russia is in Asia. I don't know where you think the Philippines is... —Мандичка^YO 😜 02:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Bogdanov is from near the Estonian border which can hardly be considered Asia. Without wanting to get too sidetracked, back when I was in school during the Dark Ages we were taught there were 3 races--Caucasian, Negroid, and Oriental. I always figured that Mdtemp, like almost all WP editors was a lot younger than I am, but using it as a race definition then both fighters would be "non-Oriental". I don't think any of this aspect necessarily reflects on notability one way or the other.

Bogdanov is not representing Pskov, he is representing RUSSIA, which spans Asia. And what athletic competitions are categorized by RACE? That is seriously laughable. —Мандичка^YO 😜 02:51, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Even though I said I didn't want to go into this, I feel compelled to respond. Russia is considered part of Europe by every athletics association I'm aware of. Furthermore, he's representing himself--not Russia. I doubt that there is a universal agreement of what countries make up the Orient--Australia is further east than China, but I don't know any Australians who consider themselves Oriental. Germany is east of France, are they Oriental? It may seem like I'm being silly, but vaguely named titles do seem a bit confusing. As I said originally, this is off topic and I'll comment no more on this aspect. Papaursa (talk) 03:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

The Philippines is clearly in the Orient. Obviously the World Boxing Federation considers Russia eligible to compete in the Orient title. This is separate from the Asian titles. You can contact them for answers. —Мандичка^YO 😜 05:03, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Keep - per WBO title and significant coverage in Russian press. —Мандичка^YO 😜 02:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Which again does not contribute to WP:NBOX being a regional non-world title.Peter Rehse (talk) 08:47, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

• Weak Delete While I think it could be argued he meets criteria #2 of WP:NBOX, those guidelines have been discussed previously as being very, indeed overly, generous. In this case I think GNG trumps SNG, and he doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG with coverage being limited to fight announcements and results. Papaursa (talk) 03:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Papaursa That's not true; he's had enough coverage to meet GNG, including television profiles [5], [6],[7] [8]. WP:BEFORE states you need to look for native language sources before AFD and nominator did not do that. —Мандичка^YO 😜 05:03, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This will be the last relist. — Jkudlick ^tc_s 04:33, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
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